GOP insiders: Second look at Marco Rubio?

posted at 4:01 pm on February 3, 2014 by Allahpundit

Process of elimination for center-right Republicans. If Christie’s too damaged by Bridgegate and Jeb Bush is too damaged by his brother’s legacy, who becomes their champion in the primaries? They’d prefer a guy who’s hawkish, who’s socially conservative enough to please evangelicals, but who’s “reasonable” enough to help business interests with things like amnesty. If he’s young, Latino, and telegenic, so much the better.

I know just the man.

A group of Republican fundraising heavyweights and wise men in Washington’s business community are solidly behind Rubio, and see him not only as someone who could win the White House, but someone they can work with…

Political strategists think Rubio’s chances of winning the GOP nomination in 2016 are looking better because of the bridge scandal embroiling New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and Rep. Paul Ryan’s (R-Wis.) decision to forego a White House bid to aim for the gavel of the powerful House Ways and Means Committee…

But first, Rubio would face the difficult choice of whether to opt for a presidential run when it could cost him his Senate seat.

Florida law does not allow Rubio to run simultaneously for the Senate and the White House in 2016, when his seat in the Senate is up.

Florida’s gone twice for Obama and 2016 is, of course, a presidential election year, so Rubio may figure that if he doesn’t run for president, he’s apt to lose his Senate seat anyway. Democrats will go all out to beat him and tea partiers disaffected by his immigration stance won’t be there in the same numbers as they were in 2010. On the other hand, as a potential nominee, my sense is that Rubio’s more acceptable to grassroots righties than Christie and even marginally more acceptable than Bush. He may have disappointed the base but he doesn’t seem to disdain them. Besides, all three are bad on amnesty but Rubio’s reliably conservative on most other issues, and if he’s serious about running, he’ll spend the next 18 months sounding hawkish on immigration to get right with the right. If you dislike him because he’s too hawkish, there’s no obvious reason why you’d like Christie or Bush more. Although, if Jeb grows more interested in running, an obvious way for him to distinguish himself from Dubya would be to take a conspicuously pro-diplomacy, anti-NSA line a la Rand Paul. Doesn’t really matter for Rubio’s purposes, though: Given that they draw from similar donor and operative pools, if Jeb runs, Rubio almost certainly won’t.

If Rubio runs, though, where does he win? Assuming Paul, Scott Walker, and either Huckabee or Santorum (or both?) are in the field, winning Iowa will be difficult, even for the undisputed centrist champ. He’s a better fit for New Hampshire, but Rubio wouldn’t have much of an “angle” to attract voters there the way the last few winners have. McCain was the maverick and Romney was the neighbor; the guy with the angle next time is Paul, the libertarian. Doesn’t mean a centrist can’t win, but can he win as the third-stringer after Christie flamed out and Jeb passed on the race? What’s the argument for Rubio over, say, Walker?

Exit question: Related to all this, does Christie’s CPAC speech matter? I’m 99 percent sure it doesn’t because speeches never matter, but if there’s a sharp negative or positive reaction from the audience, maybe a few minds will be changed about his viability among donors or campaign operatives. If he goes out there and hammers the mainstream media for being out to get him and the crowd cheers, could be that establishment types will treat it as a sign that he can pander his way to acceptability among tea partiers. If he goes out there and gets booed (which is unlikely, as I don’t think it’s ever happened to a major speaker at CPAC), maybe they decide they’re pumping a dry well and start to look around for alternatives.


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Schadenfreude on February 3, 2014 at 6:27 PM

Paul Ryan and Marco Rubio seem like brown-nosers to me.

bluegill on February 3, 2014 at 4:46 PM

That’s because they are. Lyin’ Ryan and Marco Rusio just want to try to ingratiate themselves and appear conservative all the while stabbing us in the back like the rest of the Liberal Establishment. Both Ryan and Rubio have already outed themselves and it’s time to move on a keep looking. Neither is worth the time of day.

Quartermaster on February 3, 2014 at 6:35 PM

if marco keeps up with that big smile I totally see bluegill going all mittromney over him and once again forgetting about his immigration stance and telling us to focus on his looks.

renalin on February 3, 2014 at 6:04 PM

I don’t know; the combover is becoming more pronounced. By 2016 Rubio may look like the Hispanic John McCain or Trent Lott. It had to be hot in Mississippi summers wearing that carpet on one’s head.

bw222 on February 3, 2014 at 6:37 PM

Despite the immigration Romneycare kerfuffle Rubio Romney is conservative, intelligent, articulate and electable because-and do not underestimate this-he is likeable.

GreenBlade on February 3, 2014 at 6:20 PM

Stellar thinking; let’s just ask President Romney how well that worked.

Midas on February 3, 2014 at 6:40 PM

Despite the immigration kerfuffle Rubio is conservative, intelligent, articulate and electable because-and do not underestimate this-he is likable.

GreenBlade on February 3, 2014 at 6:20 PM

Agreed.

terryannonline on February 3, 2014 at 6:44 PM

PolAgnostic on February 3, 2014 at 6:24 PM

Noted. Stuff it.

thatsafactjack on February 3, 2014 at 6:49 PM

It’s not true that Rubio is “reliably” conservative on other issues. Someone who will sell you out once will sell you out a hundred times; he just hasn’t gotten around to it yet.

David Blue on February 3, 2014 at 6:52 PM

Rubio, Ryan and Christie are all dead to me, and no endorsement or media appearance will ever make me even considering casting a vote for any of these pretenders.

Norwegian on February 3, 2014 at 7:01 PM

Despite the immigration kerfuffle Rubio is conservative, intelligent, articulate and electable because-and do not underestimate this-he is likable.

GreenBlade on February 3, 2014 at 6:20 PM

Agreed.

terryannonline on February 3, 2014 at 6:44 PM

Yes. Not only likable but he’s smart enough not to demonize others. Including immigrants and the needy.

kcewa on February 3, 2014 at 7:02 PM

Rubio is not likable. He betrayed his party and I will not vote for him ever again. He got his golden ticket to the Senate and quickly befriended the Progressives.

He is too naive to run for anything other than re-election and when that comes, we’ll be replacing him.

Key West Reader on February 3, 2014 at 7:03 PM

Good luck establishment – people have had it with RINOs. They will never sneak another Mitt Romney or John McCain past the voters again…

Here is a sneak peak at what will happen to him in the primaries:

Ditch Mitch Snowballing – Rasmussen: Matt Bevin Leading Grimes And McConnell

conservativeBC on February 3, 2014 at 7:06 PM

but he’s smart enough not to demonize others. Including immigrants and the needy.

kcewa on February 3, 2014 at 7:02 PM

Oh please. So upholding out immigration laws is “demonizing” immigrants? And I guess we demonize “the needy” by not wanting to throw money at them.

I am an immigrant, and I find your defense of Rubio laughable.

Norwegian on February 3, 2014 at 7:06 PM

kcewa on February 3, 2014 at 7:02 PM

‘Immigrants’ aren’t the issue. My grandfather was an immigrant. ILLEGALS are the ARE the issue. Thy are lawbreakers w/ out rights! They most certainly deserve to be ‘demonized’.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 3, 2014 at 7:07 PM

I am a immigrant patriot, and I find your defense of Rubio laughable.

Norwegian on February 3, 2014 at 7:06 PM

This statement is more accurate.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 3, 2014 at 7:08 PM

kcewa on February 3, 2014 at 7:02 PM

You know, it’s funny how important that can be. I really had no problem with Mitch McConnell being reelected, he has a good conservative voting record and has make some good moves on the Senate floor to p.o. Harry Reid. But then he decided the Tea Party needed to be punched in the nose. Stupid thing to say. Very stupid.

Cindy Munford on February 3, 2014 at 7:09 PM

On the other hand, as a potential nominee, my sense is that Rubio’s more acceptable to grassroots righties than Christie and even marginally more acceptable than Bush. He may have disappointed the base but he doesn’t seem to disdain them. Besides, all three are bad on amnesty but Rubio’s reliably conservative on most other issues, and if he’s serious about running, he’ll spend the next 18 months sounding hawkish on immigration to get right with the right.

As if these are our only choices.

Bitter Clinger on February 3, 2014 at 7:11 PM

OT but not really…another squishy repub going to throw it’s hat into the ring:

http://www.redstate.com/jasonahart/2014/02/03/ohio-gov-john-kasich-wants-to-redefine-conservatism/

rottenrobbie on February 3, 2014 at 7:26 PM

Wow, a 2-fer!

Rubio gets lost in primaries and Allen West gets to Senate! Works for me.

riddick on February 3, 2014 at 7:26 PM

‘Immigrants’ aren’t the issue. My grandfather was an immigrant. ILLEGALS are the ARE the issue. Thy are lawbreakers w/ out rights! They most certainly deserve to be ‘demonized’.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 3, 2014 at 7:07 PM

Yes breaking the law is wrong. I think we can all agree on that. We shouldn’t be for legalization or Amnesty.

But to extend that and say that immigration is wrong for America is not a winning strategy. And to go farther and say that Hispanics will always vote democratic is not going to win a lot of votes either.

kcewa on February 3, 2014 at 7:30 PM

Norwegian on February 3, 2014 at 7:06 PM

Glad that I can bring a little laughter into your life :)

kcewa on February 3, 2014 at 7:34 PM

And to go farther and say that Hispanics will always vote democratic is not going to win a lot of votes either.

kcewa on February 3, 2014 at 7:30 PM

True. Facing facts is rarely a vote-getter anymore.

de rigueur on February 3, 2014 at 7:41 PM

If Rubio wouldn’t have joined the U.S. RNIO association with McCain and Graham, he would almost be assured the GOP nomination. His support of a bill that had the blessing of the likes of Chuck Shumer pretty much doomed his presidential aspirations. Conservative voters will never vote for him and he can’t win without us.

cajunpatriot on February 3, 2014 at 7:47 PM

GOP running a proven liar – classic.

Panther on February 3, 2014 at 7:52 PM

I’m sure Pence would win the nomination if he ran.

jaime on February 3, 2014 at 4:57 PM

Pence is a good man for a pol

But since he was elected IN governor, he’s been invisible

Unless he gets out there soon, name recognition is zero among Republican voters. People vote, including Republicans on name recognition
I don’t Pence wants the hassle or the media scrutiny. I don’t think of them do.

Redford on February 3, 2014 at 8:15 PM

The fact is that people who vote based on immigration are a very small percentage.

terryannonline on February 3, 2014 at 4:51 PM

…yeah, just ask the phone operators in DC in 2008. It only melted the phone system and trashed the Republican Party, but some people have short memories. Conservatives aren’t those people. And they make up 70% of the Republican Party.

dominigan on February 3, 2014 at 8:23 PM

Despite the immigration kerfuffle Rubio is conservative, intelligent, articulate and electable because-and do not underestimate this-he is likable.

GreenBlade on February 3, 2014 at 6:20 PM

Jeezus. He’s “electable…” he’s “likable.” How many times are we going to play this stupid game.

As to the facts:

1. His “kerfuffle” offers definitive refutation of both his conservatism and his intelligence. He allied with — or got duped by — Chuck Schumer in a massive anti-American con, then scurried away when called out. So he CANNOT be a conservative in any principled sense, and he’s either incredibly deceitful and manipulative or fatally naive and/or stupid.

2. You have no fuc*ing idea if he’s “electable.” It’s the same BS we heard with McCain and Romney. They were both surpassingly “electable” but strangely neither got elected.

3. “Likable”? What does that mean? It’s a completely subjective statement.

3. You’re left with “articulate.” Congratulations.

rrpjr on February 3, 2014 at 8:32 PM

I consider myself conservative

terryannonline on February 3, 2014 at 4:36 PM

You are the only one who considers your self one

Conservative4Ever on February 3, 2014 at 8:32 PM

Despite the immigration kerfuffle Rubio is conservative, intelligent, articulate and electable because-and do not underestimate this-he is likable.

GreenBlade on February 3, 2014 at 6:20 PM

Giving the middle finger to conservatives, which make up 70% of your party is not conservative, intelligent, articulate or electable.

Try again.

dominigan on February 3, 2014 at 8:34 PM

And to go farther and say that Hispanics will always vote democratic is not going to win a lot of votes either.

kcewa on February 3, 2014 at 7:30 PM

And to suggest that they won’t overwhelmingly vote Democrat is simply a lie. Is that your preference? That Republicans willfully, ignorantly, believe a lie and vote accordingly/suicidally?

Midas on February 3, 2014 at 8:52 PM

“Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it,”

-George Santayana

John McCain
Mitt Romney

They are starting so early this round to convince us who is electable and who is not.

RovesChins on February 3, 2014 at 8:58 PM

I don’t Pence wants the hassle or the media scrutiny. I don’t think of them do.

Redford on February 3, 2014 at 8:15 PM

Pence signed a bill last year for in-state tuition for illegals. He’s soft on amnesty, so he’s done in my book. The only one standing that believes in the rule of law is Ted Cruz.

TxAnn56 on February 3, 2014 at 9:00 PM

When asked what he thought about Rubio’s chances. Vice President Joe Biden had this to say.
“I mean here you got this mainstream Latino guy and he’s articulate and bright and clean and a good looking guy. I mean, that’s storybook man”
Oh wait….never mind

Paco on February 3, 2014 at 9:05 PM

TxAnn56 on February 3, 2014 at 9:00 PM

Yes, good point.

The bill Pence signed allowed illegals who were enrolled at public universities in Indiana on July 1, 2011 to continue to pay the reduced rate. All illegals entering after that date must pay the higher rate.

jaime on February 3, 2014 at 9:11 PM

Oh no! He looks and sounds like a little boy.

Amjean on February 3, 2014 at 9:12 PM

Is that “second look” at the formerly known as Rubio or “second look” at his current set of principles?

viking01 on February 3, 2014 at 10:28 PM

Rubio, nor any other GOPe, Obamnesty pusher will get my unaffiliated, CONSERVATIVE vote. Period.

Nothing other than Obamnesty matters. It’s not 11 million, which is yet another, focus group tested, lie. The REAL number is around 50 million.

No other issue matters. If Obamnesty is done, 75% of those 50 million people are going to vote for more big-government state-ism. That is a FACT. Because that’s what they’re used to. That’s what they believe in.

We will officially become an Authoritarian, single-party country. America will be forever changed into a welfare, debtor nation.

What do you think is going to happen when 50 million people are added to the welfare and medicaid roles? Who do you think is going to pay for that?

YOU AND I WILL. Am I a single-issue voter? Yep, I sure am now.

Meople on February 3, 2014 at 10:58 PM

There is no way that Rubio is his own man, a pandering nabob of a political windsock who pivots every which way. I wonder who pulls his strings?

In any case, so not ready for the White House, and we’ve already committed to a total of eight years of just such a nightmare.

I have no urge for a repeat performance of incompetence.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on February 3, 2014 at 11:10 PM

Rubio is DUMB as a box of rocks! How did this mental midget ever graduate from law school? You want to compare this moron with Cruz. Get real!

Jeb’s corrupt Waterboy also has no moral compass. Screwbio cares about nothing but Marco Freakin’ Rubio.

We Floridians are hell bent on voting for the Democrat should this corruptocrat be the nominee. He won’t even win his state.

Jayrae on February 3, 2014 at 11:23 PM

Despite the immigration kerfuffle Rubio is conservative, intelligent, articulate and electable because-and do not underestimate this-he is likable.

GreenBlade on February 3, 2014 at 6:20 PM

You don’t live in Florida, that’s for sure.

Rubio is a corrupt PIG!

He’s not conservative. He’s Jeb’s lapdog Waterboy, corrupt to the core.

He’s not smart. In fact he’s stupid.

He’s not articulate. Did you ever listen to his interviews?

He’s not likable. He’s a rat ba$tard that cares about nothing but himself.

The drama queen act got old.

Jayrae on February 3, 2014 at 11:29 PM

Rubio? *Marco* Rubio? The same Marco Rubio who in a debate on CNN debate on Oct 24, 2010, stated that strong border control and fixing internal immigration enforcement would result in:

“… a legal immigration system that works. And you’ll have people in this country that are without documents that will be able … to leave this country, return to their homeland, and try to re-enter through our system that now functions, a system that makes sense…Earned path to citizenship is basically code for amnesty.”

Rubio lied. He lied to the people of Florida to get elected. Then blatantly turned around and became the poster child for S.711, aka “Amnesty” aka “The Democrat Hegemony and F^*k The Middle-Class Act”.

That Rubio?

No. I don’t think I’ll be voting for him. At this rate I won’t even be a Republican by then.

DrDeano on February 3, 2014 at 11:35 PM

I consider myself conservative

terryannoncrack on February 3, 2014 at 4:36 PM

…you need to change…to heroin!

KOOLAID2 on February 3, 2014 at 11:36 PM

These aren’t the droids you’re looking for.

claudius on February 3, 2014 at 11:45 PM

probably the best argument against hillary is that when she runs for president she will be 68 years old.

a friend of mine, a dye in the wool democrat, says SHE couldn’t vote for HC because she’s too old .

and i would add, I don’t think the Hillary looks too healthy.

wholefoodsrepublican on February 4, 2014 at 1:40 AM

can you imagine the public how they will see a healthy vigorous Rubio (or Cruz or Rand Paul or Scott Walker) v. old, frumpy Hillary.

and we live in a young society, and the seniors won’t vote for someone who has ruined their health care.

so, I say — bring on Hillary — she’s a loser.

wholefoodsrepublican on February 4, 2014 at 1:42 AM

As long as the GOP doubles down on Romney clones or worse, we are right well toasted.

Sherman1864 on February 4, 2014 at 1:52 AM

Norwegian on February 3, 2014 at 7:01 PM

And if you don’t cast your vote the dems will win again.

Sherman1864 on February 4, 2014 at 1:55 AM

GOP insiders: Second look at Marco Rubio?

Sickos.

Feedie on February 4, 2014 at 2:21 AM

Why can’t we talk about someone that is at least eligible, as in: a Natural Born Citizen. Rubio ain’t one. nuf said.

Redteam on February 4, 2014 at 2:37 AM

GOP insiders: Second look at Marco Rubio?

No, Rubio is too stupid. He claims to be a Conservative, yet in his first big legislative push with national exposure he decides to buddy up with the crazy NY liberal Chuck Schumer and to betray his would-be supporters.

No Thanks!

RJL on February 4, 2014 at 4:19 AM

Of course Rubio has returned. The coke ad was about making amnesty opponents look nuts. Mission accomplished.

libfreeordie on February 4, 2014 at 6:25 AM

At the risk of branding Marco the “Lord of Flies” on this site, I will say that I like Rubio. I don’t know if he will be my choice for POTUS yet, but he is a smart, decent man who brings some badly needed perspective to the party. Particularly on immigration.

MJBrutus on February 4, 2014 at 6:39 AM

libfreeordie on February 4, 2014 at 6:25 AM

As usual, when you are wrong on the substance, argue the politics.

fadetogray on February 4, 2014 at 6:41 AM

Although it took longer than it should have, Rubio finally did get that you cannot give Obama an “immigration” bill and expect it to be enforced. That is apparently deeper thinking than one typically finds among “GOP Insiders”.

CTimbo on February 4, 2014 at 6:47 AM

he is a smart, decent man who brings some badly needed perspective to the party. Particularly on immigration.

MJBrutus on February 4, 2014 at 6:39 AM

Yes, his fresh and original view regarding immigration was badly needed, since the GOPe is otherwise so determined to close the borders.

fadetogray on February 4, 2014 at 6:47 AM

Although it took longer than it should have, Rubio finally did get that you cannot give Obama an “immigration” bill and expect it to be enforced. That is apparently deeper thinking than one typically finds among “GOP Insiders”.

CTimbo on February 4, 2014 at 6:47 AM

He is preparing the ground for claiming in 2016 that he should be elected President because you will be able to trust him to enforce the immigration laws. Once he’s elected ‘reform’ will be possible.

If he had led with that out of the gate instead of showing his true colors, that might have gotten some traction.

fadetogray on February 4, 2014 at 6:54 AM

I am a strong supporter of capitalism.It is the vehicle by which the prosperity this nation enjoys has been achieved.That said,it has become apparent that big business is abusive in its relationship with the middle class consumers who keep them profitable and rich.Their greedy push for amnesty is designed to make available to them a huge supply of cheap labor that will negatively impact the middle class American workers.Rubio would sell us out in a heartbeat just to insure he gets corporate money flowing into his campaign warchest.Well,there are a lot more of us than there are fat cat businessmen.The GOP must decide if it wants their money or our votes!

redware on February 4, 2014 at 7:05 AM

Why are we in the trenches so absurdly ready to believe the lies of our betrayers as if we were but battered housewives who plead suicidal: “I forgive you because I love you dear. Please officer don’t take him to jail…this little wound will heal.”

Don L on February 4, 2014 at 7:35 AM

Of course the GOP wants him. They are well immersed in the goal of rewarding law breakers with amnesty and his is amnesty’s Icon. How much have they –will they– receive for their betrayal of law, decency and their own constituency?
Maybe the Chamber of Commerce has more…ah..green votes?

Don L on February 4, 2014 at 7:38 AM

One by one, we’ll eliminate everybody.

rhombus on February 4, 2014 at 7:53 AM

One by one, we’ll eliminate everybody.

rhombus on February 4, 2014 at 7:53 AM

No, we’ll just eliminate the ones who are going to eliminate us.

I can tolerate a politician who disagrees with me on welfare, health care, defense, abortion or just about anything else.

I cannot tolerate a politician who wants to flood the country with foreigners who disagree with me on welfare, health care, defense, abortion and just about everything else.

fadetogray on February 4, 2014 at 8:04 AM

Second look?
Sure.
Give me some time to reconsider.

justltl on February 4, 2014 at 8:04 AM

Nope.
Still looks like a weasel.

justltl on February 4, 2014 at 8:05 AM

Of course Rubio has returned. The coke ad was about making amnesty opponents look nuts. Mission accomplished.

libfreeordie on February 4, 2014 at 6:25 AM

I’m betting most people missed the point completely and just heard a song sung in a bunch of different languages. But go ahead and think it worked.

I think its pretty rich that a man who makes a living on middle class student loan debt doesn’t feel a little more loyalty to the people who pay his over priced salary. With so many Americans saddled with debt and looking for work how can you in good conscious push to drive working people’s wages down after they have been stagnate for so many decades?

magicbeans on February 4, 2014 at 8:12 AM

I like Rubio better than Christie and Jeb Bush but that’s a pretty low bar. Let the establishment push whoever they want. The MSM will destroy them one by one. Just like Chris Christie.

magicbeans on February 4, 2014 at 8:14 AM

There are issues that are of critical importance to the survival of the America we love.If Rubio agrees with me on 80% of the issues and is wrong on one that will destroy my country I will never vote for him.Amnesty is one of those issues.Enabling conservative are no better than RINOs or liberals.

redware on February 4, 2014 at 8:18 AM

BTW, here is the Media playbook for the next two years:

1.Vigorously promote the most liberal Republican candidate.
2.Take some token shots at Hillary early on to try to deceive people into thinking that they are actual news organizations rather than propagandists for the Left.
3.Destroy the actual Republican nominee by any means necessary, regardless of who it is.
4.Ignore, lie, deceive, cloud, coverup anything remotely negative about Hillary (“Benghazi?” “What’s that?” “That’s so yesterday.”) and whatever else it takes to get Hillary elected.

justltl on February 4, 2014 at 8:20 AM

Christie is a goner, Rubio is a sellout and should be primaried, where he will likely lose and Jeb supports Common Core. What else needs to be said?

Mr. Grump on February 4, 2014 at 8:52 AM

I’m on board.

As soon as Rubio convinces me he can be trusted, that is.

Oh, I guess that means I’m not on board. And probably won’t ever be.

Whoops.

Chris of Rights on February 4, 2014 at 9:22 AM

I think its pretty rich that a man who makes a living on middle class student loan debt doesn’t feel a little more loyalty to the people who pay his over priced salary. With so many Americans saddled with debt and looking for work how can you in good conscious push to drive working people’s wages down after they have been stagnate for so many decades?

magicbeans on February 4, 2014 at 8:12 AM

1. I oppose the Senate immigration bill because it includes no safeguards against declining wages.

2. I “life off student loan debt” because conservative’s have engineered massive declines in state support for higher education over the last 4 decades. Conservatives in the 1970s happily went to public universities without having to take on any debt, because taxpayers paid significant portions of their tuition dollars. Then once Reagan Conservatives graduated they said “sorry next generation, you’re on your own” and supported politicians who cut those subsidies. And then, weirdly, they blame me for the predicament of their children. Ha!

libfreeordie on February 4, 2014 at 10:02 AM

2. I “life off student loan debt” because conservative’s have engineered massive declines in state support for higher education over the last 4 decades. Conservatives in the 1970s happily went to public universities without having to take on any debt, because taxpayers paid significant portions of their tuition dollars. Then once Reagan Conservatives graduated they said “sorry next generation, you’re on your own” and supported politicians who cut those subsidies. And then, weirdly, they blame me for the predicament of their children. Ha!

libfreeordie on February 4, 2014 at 10:02 AM

Because everyone knows that conservatives were in charge of Congress and State Legislatures over those 4 decades. And if you are in no way even partially responsible for the lousy education our kids get after they have been sent to you, then there isn’t really much need to send them to you, is there?

Your days of high pay for no value are numbered. Your value here, of course, is the comic relief you provide. but I’m not sure you’d want to be paid for that.

oldroy on February 4, 2014 at 10:59 AM

1. I oppose the Senate immigration bill because it includes no safeguards against declining wages.

libfreeordie on February 4, 2014 at 10:02 AM

And of course all we have to do is raise minimum wages and everyone will have a job, and a high paying one at that.

oldroy on February 4, 2014 at 11:01 AM

I looked…he still sucks. To Hades with the traitor.

Schadenfreude on February 4, 2014 at 11:02 AM

Progressivism kills

Schadenfreude on February 4, 2014 at 11:02 AM

Slave, you should oppose it because it harms blacks the most, the middle class and the poor, for starters…oh well, one can never count on you.

Coke trades on both its global presence and America’s melting pot in a spot showing happy Americans—Causasian-American, African-American, Mexican-American, Asian-American, Eastern European-American, Muslim-American, even Cowboy-American—having a good, ol’ happy time while “America the Beautiful” rolls in the background in English, Spanish, Keres, Tagalog, Hindi, Senegalese French and Hebrew. #AmericaIsBeautiful. Damn right it is.

They purposely left out the Gay-Americans, who also appear in their ad.

I want to know why the Diapered-American woman appears as a symbol for it all.

Leftists, you are such pigs.

Michelle Obama, where is your fat mouth and butt on opposing the soda addiction?

All hyphenated-American-promoting idiots, go to Hell.

obama is NOT an African-American president. He is the president of the USA, you mental toads.

Schadenfreude on February 4, 2014 at 11:11 AM

Schadenfreude on February 4, 2014 at 11:11 AM

I knew that we were screwed when Holder said that he wouldn’t prosecute the NBP for voter intimidation because they were ‘his’ people. ‘His’ people should be the American people-instead, it seems that he’s only the AG of certain hues.
Obama and Holder are racists.
Period.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 4, 2014 at 11:20 AM

Your days of high pay for no value are numbered.

OK you can ignore application and enrollment figures if you want to…..

libfreeordie on February 4, 2014 at 11:21 AM

OK you can ignore application and enrollment figures if you want to…..

libfreeordie on February 4, 2014 at 11:21 AM

You can ignore labor participation rates if you want to. Didn’t you just say that kids couldn’t afford school because we had taken money away from them? And if they are choosing to saddle themselves with debt, isn’t their education worth it?

oldroy on February 4, 2014 at 11:25 AM

OK you can ignore application and enrollment figures if you want to…..

libfreeordie on February 4, 2014 at 11:21 AM

What specifically, from your class, enables a kid to get a job?

oldroy on February 4, 2014 at 11:26 AM

As for Rubio. Second look same as the first. Won’t vote for him. Won’t even listen to him again.

oldroy on February 4, 2014 at 11:34 AM

What specifically, from your class, enables a kid to get a job?

oldroy on February 4, 2014 at 11:26 AM

You don’t understand what education is. We don’t do professional training, that is the job of the employer. Our job is to educate. We inculcate habits of the mind that many employers want. Creativity, independent, deductive, interpretive, analytical thinking on multiple scales, in writing, visually or in public presentation. It seems that your problem is with the labor market, something the University has just about nothing to do with.

libfreeordie on February 4, 2014 at 11:43 AM

Frankly oldroy, you’re just mad that there are people out there who get paid well to do what they love.

libfreeordie on February 4, 2014 at 11:48 AM

You don’t understand what education is. We don’t do professional training, that is the job of the employer. Our job is to educate. We inculcate habits of the mind that many employers want. Creativity, independent, deductive, interpretive, analytical thinking on multiple scales, in writing, visually or in public presentation. It seems that your problem is with the labor market, something the University has just about nothing to do with.

libfreeordie on February 4, 2014 at 11:43 AM

We don’t do professional training…
We inculcate habits of the mind that many employers want…
It seems that your problem is with the labor market…
the University has just about nothing to do with it…

Contradictions.

oldroy on February 4, 2014 at 11:52 AM

Frankly oldroy, you’re just mad that there are people out there who get paid well to do what they love.

libfreeordie on February 4, 2014 at 11:48 AM

Nope.

oldroy on February 4, 2014 at 11:53 AM

It seems that your problem is with the labor market, something the University has just about nothing to do with.

libfreeordie on February 4, 2014 at 11:43 AM

So you are pretty much admitting that some illegal immigrant that has had some training at job corps is more employable and more prepared to work than a kid from your school upon graduation.

oldroy on February 4, 2014 at 11:57 AM

Maybe Rubio was just playing the political game when he came out for amnesty and joined a gang. The whole thing seems to be at a standstill and a pivot to jobs or back to Ocare could be coming down the pike. All said and done, I kinda like Walker. Jeb! has too much Bush baggage and Christi has a big hug to hurdle.

Kissmygrits on February 4, 2014 at 12:02 PM

You don’t understand what education is. We don’t do professional training, that is the job of the employer. Our job is to educate…
 
libfreeordie on February 4, 2014 at 11:43 AM

 

EHS 215–section 440
Incident Management
Spring Semester, 2013
Syllabus updated: 6 January 2013
 
This course provides OSHA HAZWOPER standard certification at the awareness, operations, and technician level. Course Hours Per Week: Class, 3. Lab, 2. Semester Hours Credit, 4.
 
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Way to again show you umnderstand the topic you introduce, professor.

rogerb on February 4, 2014 at 12:28 PM

umnderstand

 
Ha. That may end up being part of a new LFOD joke. BTW
 

…because conservative’s have engineered massive declines in state support for higher education over the last 4 decades…
 
libfreeordie on February 4, 2014 at 10:02 AM

 
You’ve been informed about the effect of subsidies before as well.
 
You even introduced it. Subsidies = expensive was even the point YOU made:
 

You mean “how it used to be” before massive cuts in public support for higher education on the state level forced greater and greater numbers of upwardly mobile Americans to pursue loans to pay for higher education?
 
libfreeordie on January 11, 2014 at 8:02 PM

 
Meaning subsidies distorted and ultimately increased the costs to individuals.
 
Thanks, professor.
 
Say, what’s a major component of Obamacare?
 
rogerb on January 12, 2014 at 6:43 AM

 
And you make it again here because you (again) don’t really umnderstand it. You heard it somewhere and thought it fit in really well with your faith, so you re-post it without thinking about what you’ve said.
 
Your ideological insistence on subsidies has increased the costs to the middle class.
 
Your ideology is the one forcing felt college costs to be more expensive.
 
Your ideology is the one destroying their wealth, and you don’t umnderstand why.
 
And now you willingly want the exact same results to happen to the exact same people through their health insurance.
 
Congratulations.

rogerb on February 4, 2014 at 12:45 PM

First goal: get rid Mitch McConnell and elect Matt Bevin as the Senator from Kentucky.

Second goal: get rid of centrist, go-along-to-get-along, say-one-thing-and-vote-another Repub candidates for prez. Support Cruz or Paul as our nominee.

joecollins on February 4, 2014 at 1:21 PM

You don’t understand what education is. We don’t do professional training, that is the job of the employer. Our job is to educate. We inculcate habits of the mind that many employers want. Creativity, independent, deductive, interpretive, analytical thinking on multiple scales, in writing, visually or in public presentation. It seems that your problem is with the labor market, something the University has just about nothing to do with.

libfreeordie on February 4, 2014 at 11:43 AM

This is crap, I have “professors” that tell you what they want to hear. This is also alng the same topic of using “theoretical” thinking for most of classes versus the “real” world happenings.

Some of these “professors” don’t know how to teach worth a damn, but somehow they are lauded as so smart they think they can.

-west

mr_west on February 4, 2014 at 1:44 PM

I don’t believe this. If it’s Rubio vs. Hillary apparently many people here would rather sit on their voting fingers. Hope that’s comfortable for you.

GreenBlade on February 4, 2014 at 1:50 PM

I can tolerate a politician who disagrees with me on welfare, health care, defense, abortion or just about anything else.

I cannot tolerate a politician who wants to flood the country with foreigners who disagree with me on welfare, health care, defense, abortion and just about everything else.

fadetogray on February 4, 2014 at 8:04 AM

THIS. 1000x THIS.

idalily on February 4, 2014 at 5:01 PM

I am not certain what led Rubio to pursue the immigration issue- but I believe he’s learned from it.

Not “learned from it I should be more stealthy in the future”, which is the modus operandi of most Republicans in Congress. More- “I’ve really learned from this” and that appears more sincere. He articulates his reservations and admits his mistakes. That a sign of sincerity and cogent thought processes at work.

Rubio is also not in an enviable situation electorally and that is something people need to be much more aware of. A person running for Congress needs to serve the needs of people who will actually be responsible for electing them. Not some outside group or organization. That’s reality.

That being said, I am not making excuses for Mr. Rubio’s ham-handed approach on immigration. There is “leading people” and there is patronizing them. I believe his approach on immigration was more of the latter, combined with the naive thought that Democrats were sincere in their overtures. They were not and there is no evidence to prove they have been since the senate has been in a Democrat majority.

In the end, I support MR. Rubio because he is intelligent, articulate, thoughtful and cogent. Being human and making mistakes is understandable. Not learning from them is not- and I believe he has.

Marcus Traianus on February 5, 2014 at 8:05 AM

Amnesty will destroy our election process. Also, a “non voting citizen” status will be found unconstitutional eventually if they try to pull that one over on us. Therefore, support of amnesty is a deal breaker for me. So no Rubio. Amnesty is in his heart. He risked his political career on it. If it isnt in his heart, and he just went along to gain some name recognition, that is even worse. Means he has no spine.

brix on February 5, 2014 at 3:13 PM

We need to write in Rafael Cruz. Screw the rino’s.

johnny reb on February 5, 2014 at 3:44 PM

This is who they are referring to when they wrote “A group of Republican fundraising heavyweights and wise men in Washington’s business community are solidly behind Rubio, and see him not only as someone who could win the White House, but someone they can work with…”

Bill Paxon, a former New York lawmaker who is now a senior adviser at Akin Gump; Dirk Van Dongen, the president of the National Wholesalers Association; and Wayne Berman, a big-time donor with a knack for picking winning candidates in presidential primaries.

I would oppose running Rubio because of his position on illegal immigration. Paxton, Burman, Van Dongen et al are lobbyists and don’t speak for the RNC or anyone else other than whomever writes their paycheck.

V7_Sport on February 5, 2014 at 4:54 PM

I can tolerate a politician who disagrees with me on welfare, health care, defense, abortion or just about anything else.

I cannot tolerate a politician who wants to flood the country with foreigners who disagree with me on welfare, health care, defense, abortion and just about everything else.

fadetogray on February 4, 2014 at 8:04 AM

Very, very well said.

bluegill on February 5, 2014 at 7:46 PM

I can tolerate a politician who disagrees with me on welfare, health care, defense, abortion or just about anything else.

I cannot tolerate a politician who wants to flood the country with foreigners who disagree with me on welfare, health care, defense, abortion and just about everything else.

fadetogray on February 4, 2014 at 8:04 AM

Yes, very well said.

David Blue on February 6, 2014 at 5:34 AM

How about a Cruz-Rubio ticket.?

- Double “Historic”pizzazz
- Shrillery attacks turn off Hispanic electorate.
- Two great speakers with poise in front of the camera.
- Marco has to further the Cruz agenda in office or be relegated to VP purgatory ala Truman.

Uffda on February 6, 2014 at 11:02 AM

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