Open thread: Sunday morning talking heads

posted at 8:01 am on February 2, 2014 by Allahpundit

Has the insta-backlash from grassroots conservatives this week already scared the House GOP away from immigration reform? We’ll know soon: Paul Ryan has the spotlight on “This Week” while Eric Cantor guests on “Face the Nation.” For all his faults on immigration, Rubio at least had the basic political sense to push his bill last January, long before the midterms. I’m eager to hear Ryan, who’s at risk of his own Rubio-esque amnesty-fueled 2016 fade by taking the lead on this issue, explain why this is the moment rather than last year or next year.

If you’re tired of immigration, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell will appear on “Fox News Sunday” as part of the network’s 87-hour Super Bowl pregame programming to hem and haw about the Redskins changing their name and to defend the dopey plan to make the game more exciting by eliminating PATs, even though it would do nothing of the sort. The full line-up is at Politico.


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Christie Christie Christi

Kornacki starting it off..he can’t get enough of the big guy….

cmsinaz on February 2, 2014 at 8:04 AM

Ryan and cantor will double down on their immigration push
LA LA LA we can’t hear you…….
When its 80/20against at the retreat you’d think they catch a clue

cmsinaz on February 2, 2014 at 8:05 AM

Over reach by Obama… meh
Sunday talking heads
He’s a Democrat.. Its all good

cmsinaz on February 2, 2014 at 8:07 AM

There’s nothing Ryan could say now, or ever that will redeem him.

He’s dead to me.

wolly4321 on February 2, 2014 at 8:10 AM

Left is on pins and needles hoping for a smoking gun on Christie

cmsinaz on February 2, 2014 at 8:21 AM

Every time I see Paul Ryan’s face I just want to smack the stupid out of him. He is sooo smart that he will do amnesty correctly this time. But this is the last time. Really. Because this time we’re gonna seal and defend our borders. Really. And all the illegals that have been stealing from this country are eager to become citizens and pay taxes and a fine. Really. Because they really, really, want to be good citizens or something. Really.

Paul Ryan is young, but he already is a world class jackass. Impressive.

DeweyWins on February 2, 2014 at 8:28 AM

Why should any american pay taxes if illegals are rewarded for breaking our laws and taxpayers have no representation?

Splain that to me Mr. Ryan…

workingclass artist on February 2, 2014 at 8:31 AM

W was an idiot to push Amnesty in 2006 and simply handed Congress to the Dems

This latest stupidity will allow the Dems to retain the Senate

Immigration reform is a decisive and destructive diversion from the real issues, which are Jobs and Obamacare.

TexasJew on February 2, 2014 at 8:34 AM

Pass. I will either go shopping or watch a movie.

22044 on February 2, 2014 at 8:34 AM

lol
so kornacki is explaining why the lsm is not as focused on menendez as they are at christie because christie was the AG that was going after menendez in 06 and now that he is under fire they wonder if menendez is innocence….

pitiful…

cmsinaz on February 2, 2014 at 8:37 AM

workingclass artist on February 2, 2014 at 8:31 AM

this

cmsinaz on February 2, 2014 at 8:38 AM

Hogwash! This is not immigration reform . . . it’s purely and simply the legalization of criminals and says volumes about the state of this poor sick Republic.

rplat on February 2, 2014 at 8:42 AM

will they say ITS THE LAW???

cmsinaz on February 2, 2014 at 8:47 AM

Mr. Ryan should take a moment and realize this is not a top issue with most voting Americans. Especially those watching who are unemployed or working two jobs to make ends meet. In fact, it is quite the converse.

Our nation is certainly in a crisis. But it has zero to do with immigration.

Most Americans, especially those who are likely to vote for Republicans, realize there is nobody left in Washington to fight for them. We are hopelessly defended by a bunch of weak, cowards who are guided only by political motives and not the desires of their electorate.

Pursuing this issue not only proves that point, but further carelessly demurs to the president and a Democrat senate that has marched lock-step over the American people. It also divides us at a time when some cohesion on our major challenges was appearing. It is a contra-intellectual, destructive maneuver which aptly displays everything wrong with our so-called leadership.

The focus on immigration is not only misguided, but it is a distraction from our real challenges. It also obfuscates a principled, rule of law perspective and replaces it with patronizing, foolish, demographic nonsense.

The way you handle an unruly mob is not to continue throwing bread at them. It is best accomplished by teaching them the fruits of self-sufficiency by showing them how to make it.

People don’t want because their government has failed to provide something. They want because it stands in the way and fails miserably at the job it is supposed to do. That is the cause of our current malaise.

Marcus Traianus on February 2, 2014 at 8:58 AM

yup. gregory will be starting off with christie…forget immigration, they are going to focus on christie instead…

cmsinaz on February 2, 2014 at 8:59 AM

is this hype or is this real?
-gregory

cmsinaz on February 2, 2014 at 9:03 AM

the culture of christie-bad
the culture of obama-meh
-left talking heads

cmsinaz on February 2, 2014 at 9:05 AM

Groundhog Day 2014: Punxsutawney Phil sees shadow, 6 more weeks of winter

Fallon on February 2, 2014 at 9:05 AM

Marcus Traianus on February 2, 2014 at 8:58 AM

hear hear

cmsinaz on February 2, 2014 at 9:06 AM

L&O marathon – TNT. Sam Waterston’s eyes are too close together and he speaks like he has too little air in his lungs but it’s still better than the Sunday morning talking fools.

ExpressoBold on February 2, 2014 at 9:06 AM

will they say ITS THE LAW???

cmsinaz on February 2, 2014 at 8:47 AM

It’s amazing that we’ve lasted this long without immigration law on the books.

What?

Oh, nevermind…

Fallon on February 2, 2014 at 9:08 AM

will anyone bring up keystone?

cmsinaz on February 2, 2014 at 9:08 AM

without “an” immigration law…

More coffee, anyone?

Fallon on February 2, 2014 at 9:08 AM

I read a rather interesting opinion piece in the Lexington KY newspaper this morning. To boil it down, Obama and the Dems do not want any immigration reform because of their ties to unions. Obama is just occasionally throwing a piece of red meat to his base when he talks about it and blaming Republicans for not passing anything.

The unions jumped all over the latest republican proposal saying they would not support any plan that did not lead to citizenship. Unions do not want any sort of bills passed either with or without citizenship because it is against their best interest to flood the job market with 20-30 million more people willing to work for minimum wage. Let’s face it, those people are not going to be lining up to join any union. Unions can barely hold on to what they have now and their base is constantly shrinking. Adding 20 million more low wage workers to the mix is not going to benefit any union.

Obama said he is open to the new Republican proposal that would legalize them without giving them citizenship. There is no way that bill will make it out of the Senate and we all know it. They will pi$$ and moan about making a second class of citizens, blah, blah, blah…..

In the meantime nothing gets done, and that is exactly what Obama wants. It lets him give stirring speeches and gives him the appearance of actually doing something.

Johnnyreb on February 2, 2014 at 9:10 AM


Fallon on February 2, 2014 at 9:05 AM

Wrong – didn’t see the shadow.

HomeoftheBrave on February 2, 2014 at 9:10 AM

Trumka and the rest of the union goon leaders are communists. They need to be dealt with – and soon. Unions have their genesis in the old communist party in this country. Their methods have not changed in 100 years. They are a festering boil on the rear end of this country and need to be lanced.

HomeoftheBrave on February 2, 2014 at 9:12 AM

Obama COS dodging keystone….lol

cmsinaz on February 2, 2014 at 9:14 AM

we are good at focusing on the economy
-obama cos

LOLOLOLOLOL

cmsinaz on February 2, 2014 at 9:17 AM

gregory bringing up NAACP idiotic comments towards Tim Scott…why????

cmsinaz on February 2, 2014 at 9:20 AM

Fallon on February 2, 2014 at 9:08 AM

heh

Indeed

tim scott doing a great job against gregory…

cmsinaz on February 2, 2014 at 9:23 AM

Fallon on February 2, 2014 at 9:05 AM

Wrong – didn’t see the shadow.

HomeoftheBrave on February 2, 2014 at 9:10 AM

I was incorrect. I stand corrected. You were correct.

HomeoftheBrave on February 2, 2014 at 9:25 AM

Out of the shadows? What aa sham. Illigals show up in DC, president’s speech, on TV, radio station, protest marches. Name it, they’re there.

RdLake on February 2, 2014 at 9:39 AM

I was incorrect. I stand corrected. You were correct.

HomeoftheBrave on February 2, 2014 at 9:25 AM

No problem.

Fallon on February 2, 2014 at 9:42 AM

tim scott doing a great job against gregory…

..hmmm, I typically make a point of changing the channel when Gregory comes on. Would this one be worth watching?

DanMan on February 2, 2014 at 9:48 AM

Not sure how to evaluate the Propaganda DC Press, when every show has only one guest. More on that in a minute. Meanwhile, Allah takes the art of understatement to the edge with this one:

Ryan, who’s at risk of his own Rubio-esque amnesty-fueled 2016 fade…

“At risk of”? I don’t remember the last time I heard an opinion of Ryan that didn’t begin with “that worthless lefty mother-f***** Ryan”. He’s toast.

Anywho, let’s have a gander at the tripe served up by the Democrat press for America’s consideration – with an eye to the views of the single largest ideological demographic in the U.S., conservatism:

“Meet the Press” on NBC
• Admin liberal
• Conservative!
• Kook-fringe lefty
• DNC’s lead propagandist
• Moderator: immoderate liberal

“Face the Nation” on CBS
• Admin liberal
• Increasingly despised RINO poseur
• RINO poseur
• Moderator: immoderate liberal

“This Week” on ABC
• Amnesty RINO
• Moderator: immoderate liberal

“Fox News Sunday” on Fox
• Liberal
• Moderator: moderate liberal

“State of the Union” on CNN
• Conservative!
• Moderator: immoderate liberal

“Political Capital” on Bloomberg TV
• Obama’s answer to Goebbels
• GOPer
• Moderator: immoderate liberal

“Newsmakers” on C-SPAN
• Hard core Liberal
• Moderator: none

“Al Punto” on Univision
• GOPer
• Panama President described as a “conservative”…no idea what that means in Panama.
• Abortion Barbie! Lefty
• Moderator: immoderate liberal

Rather than a detailed scorecard, here on Super Bowl Sunday, we have only to look for conservatism anywhere in a wide-ranging and diverse lineup of subjects and guests. And this doesn’t take long, of course – there are two all morning. Two lonely voices of conservatism, surrounded by the Kook-Fringe Left, the DNC Propaganda Press, the Amnesty-Shill RINOs, etc.

Goodell is a perfect example of what is ruining television. Everything we see on TV these days looks like it was created by women and gay guys, including football, and Goodell could be either.

Enjoy your propaganda! Suggest strong coffee and a bottle of Jameson — make a drinking game out of it!

Jaibones on February 2, 2014 at 9:48 AM

There’s nothing Ryan could say now, or ever that will redeem him.

He’s dead to me.

wolly4321 on February 2, 2014 at 8:10 AM

Not only that …..Ryan sounded like a weasel when confronted with
the 80/20 result . He’s a dead weasel to me .

Lucano on February 2, 2014 at 9:50 AM

Pass. I will either go shopping or watch a movie.

22044 on February 2, 2014 at 8:34 AM

To the Groundhog!

Jaibones on February 2, 2014 at 9:51 AM

wolly4321 on February 2, 2014 at 8:10 AM

Lucano on February 2, 2014 at 9:50 AM

Back to Allah and his suggestion the Ryan better be careful before he loses the support of the conservative base. LMAO.

Is the anyone out there this morning – maybe someone who doesn’t comment often, the Hotair “Silent Majority” if you will – who wishes to speak in support of Amnesty Barbie, Paul Ryan?

Jaibones on February 2, 2014 at 9:53 AM

Groundhog Day 2014: Punxsutawney Phil sees shadow, 6 more weeks of winter

Fallon on February 2, 2014 at 9:05 AM

Winter, slumbering the open air, wears on his smiling face … a dream of Spring!

Ciao!

Jaibones on February 2, 2014 at 9:55 AM

Ground hog report: Phil saw his shadow; here in the South, Beauregard didn’t.

Staten Island Chuck does not like commies.

http://www.myfoxny.com/story/24612237/staten-island-chuck-escapes-de-blasio

Brat on February 2, 2014 at 10:02 AM

Staten Island Chuck does not like commies.

http://www.myfoxny.com/story/24612237/staten-island-chuck-escapes-de-blasio

Brat on February 2, 2014 at 10:02 AM

A large rat, smarter than most New Yorkers…

Phil Connors: This is pitiful. A thousand people freezing their butts off waiting to worship a rat. What a hype. Groundhog Day used to mean something in this town. They used to pull the hog out, and they used to eat it. You’re hypocrites, all of you!

Fallon on February 2, 2014 at 10:14 AM

Jaibones on February 2, 2014 at 9:48 AM

As always thanks! Not owning a tv, it seems is a blessing. I’ll just continue to enjoy watching the fire. ; )

Bmore on February 2, 2014 at 10:19 AM

Is this the only coherent voice we have in the Senate?
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/370085/sessions-republicans-should-seize-opportunity-stand-struggling-workers-nro-staff

onlineanalyst on February 2, 2014 at 10:23 AM

Hahahaha…way to go, Bmore. You are not missing a single thing. Anything not worth putting in writing is not worth knowing. The Sunday Morning political talk shows are Kabuki Theater at its worst.

Jaibones on February 2, 2014 at 10:23 AM

Fallon on February 2, 2014 at 10:14 AM

Well, Fallon, you can’t spell Democrat without “rat”

And where the heck is PETA? Why they having been waging a war on the possum drop in NC. Haven’t seen them in NYC clamor isn’t for humane treatment of Chuck.

Brat on February 2, 2014 at 10:25 AM

Fallon on February 2, 2014 at 10:14 AM

Bad Phil — my favorite quote. Awesome.

Jaibones on February 2, 2014 at 10:25 AM

clamoring

Brat on February 2, 2014 at 10:26 AM

Jaibones on February 2, 2014 at 9:48 AM

Love the work…but could you list their names next to their description?

CWchangedhisNicagain on February 2, 2014 at 10:34 AM

Jaibones on February 2, 2014 at 9:48 AM

Appreciate this every week. :-)

MT on February 2, 2014 at 10:34 AM

“Americans for conservative direction” running ads on FNS backing Ryans bullshite.

Zuckerbergs false flag propaganda.

wolly4321 on February 2, 2014 at 10:49 AM

Is the anyone out there this morning – maybe someone who doesn’t comment often, the Hotair “Silent Majority” if you will – who wishes to speak in support of Amnesty Barbie, Paul Ryan?

Jaibones on February 2, 2014 at 9:53 AM

Wouldn’t that be Amnesty Ken?

TxAnn56 on February 2, 2014 at 10:51 AM

Wouldn’t that be Amnesty Ken?

TxAnn56 on February 2, 2014 at 10:51 AM

Well played.

I hit Send and immediately winced. Yes…Amnesty Ken. And so a nickname is born.

Jaibones on February 2, 2014 at 10:55 AM

could you list their names next to their description?

CWchangedhisNicagain on February 2, 2014 at 10:34 AM

Noted. I think HA used to have the names listed before they outsourced the post to Politico, and it wasn’t necessary before, but you’re right – it would be helpful.

Jaibones on February 2, 2014 at 10:57 AM

I tuned in to Meet the Press only to see Tim Scott (who did a great job) and because I have no interest in hearing pig traitors Ryan or Cantor on the other channels. I was disgusted, but not surprised, at how much time they spent on Christie at the front . Then that idiot Ifill starts going on about who cares what Christie’s accuser did in high school, didn’t we all go to high school? I was like wow, guess we forgot how important it was that Romney was a “bully” once in school? I don’t even care for Christie or Romney, but still can’t get over how much that R next to their name matters. Oh, and the touting of the great things that have been done by executive order to protect Obama doing it, example number 5738195738374 in the if Bush had done it series.

Btw, SNL still sucks. I check in every once in a while and last night they were making Bush and Palin jokes, what year is this????

hollygolightly on February 2, 2014 at 11:10 AM

Out of the shadows? What aa sham. Illigals show up in DC, president’s speech, on TV, radio station, protest marches. Name it, they’re there.

RdLake on February 2, 2014 at 9:39 AM

Or down in the barrio formerly known as Houston, you can see them mowing yards on every federal holiday, including Christmas. I haven’t figured out though when they have the chance to tag the freeways with their gang symbols. And how they get up there. We have several new freeways being expanded and they’re already ruined with the graffiti. I bet Paul Ryan’s Norman Rockwellesque home town of Janesville WI doesn’t have to deal with it. I bet Janesville WI hasn’t had 8 cops killed within the last several years by illegal aliens, some shot execution style.

I’m preaching to the choir to fellow border state residents.

TxAnn56 on February 2, 2014 at 11:12 AM

Has the insta-backlash from grassroots conservatives this week already scared the House GOP away from immigration reform?

Since I actually saw a commercial this morning explaining the GOP vision of immigration reform I’s say that’s a big “NO”.

Cindy Munford on February 2, 2014 at 11:22 AM

Transcript of Ryan v. Stephanopolis this AM…Looks like “Ken” is backing off…office phone mail is full too! :D

STEPHANOPOULOS: Listening to both you and President Obama, on the other hand, this week, it does sound like you could have a meeting of the minds on immigration, reach a compromise on immigration reform, one that opens a path to citizenship to for the undocumented, but doesn’t necessarily guarantee nothing — doesn’t necessarily have a special path for the undocumented.

But this talk of compromise has unleashed a furious debate inside your own party.

I want to show you what Bill Kristol wrote in “The Weekly Standard” this week. He said, “Bringing immigration to the floor ensures a circular GOP firing squad instead of a nicely lined up one shooting together. And in the (INAUDIBLE) of ObamaCare and other horrors of big government liberalism, since there’s really no need to act this year on immigration, don’t — don’t even try.”

Your response?

RYAN: Well, look, we don’t know who’s coming and going in this country, George. We don’t have control of our border. We don’t have control of interior enforcement. You just talked about the Boston bombers. And so doing nothing on the security side of this, we think, is not a responsible thing to do. It’s appropriate you brought this subject up after talking about these executive orders.

Here’s the issue that all Republicans agree on — we don’t trust the president to enforce the law. So if you actually look at the standards that the Republican leadership put out, which is security first, first we have to secure the border, have interior enforcement, which is a worker verification system, a visa tracking program. Those things have to be in law, in practice and independently verified before the rest of the law can occur.

So it’s a security force first, non-amnesty approach.

The other concern that people have in our party is they don’t want to see us get into conference with the Senate and then — and then compromise to a bad law. We won’t let that happen because we’ve already said we won’t go to the conference with the Senate.

And so this is not one of those issues where it has some kind of a deadline behind it, like, say, a government shutdown, which forces us into a compromise we might not like to take.

This is a here are our standards, this is our approach, if you want to do it this way, this is what we’re willing to do. And we’re still having a debate in our caucus about even that.

But we don’t think that we can allow this border to continue to be overrun. And if we can get security first, no amnesty, before anything happens, we think that’s a good approach.

STEPHANOPOULOS: (INAUDIBLE).

RYAN: This is not a trust but verify, this is a verify then trust approach.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Bottom line, can you put something on the president’s desk this year that he can sign?

RYAN: I really don’t know the answer to that question. That is clearly in doubt. It depends on whether they’re willing to actually secure the border, actually have interior enforcement and not — and agree to not having an amnesty. If we can do that, where it’s security first, no amnesty, then we might be able to get somewhere.

But I just don’t know if the — if that’s going to be the case or not.

camaraderie on February 2, 2014 at 11:24 AM

I bet Paul Ryan’s Norman Rockwellesque home town of Janesville WI doesn’t have to deal with it. I bet Janesville WI hasn’t had 8 cops killed within the last several years by illegal aliens, some shot execution style.

The one where a majority of the residents lost their jobs in the plant? And Ryan’s district has the second highest number of Latinos in Wisconsin. Many work at the different industrial plants in places like Kenosha and Janesville.

I’ve heard of no proposals to allow gang members and drug cartels to gain legal status. Having a provisional legal status program will allow the INS to deport suspected gang members more easily. They could arrest the people in that situation. And I have nothing against the Latino population. I mainly attend a Mass in Spanish because the atmosphere is better than at white cookie-cutter suburban Catholic parishes.

Illinidiva on February 2, 2014 at 11:30 AM

Anyone else like Major Garrett as host of Face the Nation?

Sheerq on February 2, 2014 at 11:30 AM

We don’t need treatment for the disease, we need a cure. Stop with this ‘in the shadows BS’ and seal the border. Then work on the rest of it.

RdLake on February 2, 2014 at 11:35 AM

And Ryan’s district has the second highest number of Latinos in Wisconsin.
I mainly attend a Mass in Spanish because the atmosphere is better than at white cookie-cutter suburban Catholic parishes.

Illinidiva on February 2, 2014 at 11:30 AM

You really need to get your facts straight before you start foaming at the mouth. And if you loathe non-hispanics so much, perhaps you should consider moving out of this country.

Janesville WI – As of the census of 2010, there were 63,575 residents, 25,828 occupied housing units, and 16,718 families in the city. The population density was 1,877.6 people per square mile (834.1/km²). The racial makeup of the city was 91.7% White, 2.6% Black or African American, 0.3% Native American, 1.3% Asian, 0.0% Pacific Islander, 2.0% from other races, and 2.1% from two or more races. 5.4% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race.

TxAnn56 on February 2, 2014 at 11:52 AM

Sheerq on February 2, 2014 at 11:30 AM

I didn’t see it but I tend to like him. He’s witty and seems to be fair.

Cindy Munford on February 2, 2014 at 11:52 AM

TxAnn56 on February 2, 2014 at 11:52 AM

LOL! Well if that is the second highest in the state, I’d say they don’t see much of what a lot of the nation sees.

Cindy Munford on February 2, 2014 at 11:55 AM

Forget all this crap… I’m watching the Kitten Bowl @ 12noon ET on Hallmark Channel

SheVee on February 2, 2014 at 12:01 PM

since I actually saw a commercial this morning explaining the GOP vision of immigration reform I’s say that’s a big “NO”. Cindy Munford on February 2, 2014 at 11:22 AM

I saw it too. It’s zuckerbergs shadow group, “Americans for a Conservative solution”.

wolly4321 on February 2, 2014 at 12:02 PM

wolly4321 on February 2, 2014 at 12:02 PM

So does that mean that it is not put out with the consent or cooperation of the GOP?

Cindy Munford on February 2, 2014 at 12:06 PM

Cindy- yes. It’s zuckerberg. That doesn’t mean Ryan doesn’t know about it.

http://www.businessinsider.com/mark-zuckerberg-conservatives-immigration-reform-2013-4.

Brietbart, Levin reported on it as well last spring.

It’s false flag stuff. Everyone knows it’s fake. The name is a joke.
Google it.

wolly4321 on February 2, 2014 at 12:23 PM

Do I think Ryan and the rest would actively disassociate from the ads?

No,, no I don’t. Which is bad enough.

wolly4321 on February 2, 2014 at 12:25 PM

Groundhog Day 2014: Punxsutawney Phil sees shadow, 6 more weeks of winter

Fallon on February 2, 2014 at 9:05 AM

…CALL PETA!…I’m going to shoot him!

Enjoy your propaganda! Suggest strong coffee and a bottle of Jameson — make a drinking game out of it!

Jaibones on February 2, 2014 at 9:48 AM

…Thanks!…I have snow to shovel!….Hours of it!

KOOLAID2 on February 2, 2014 at 12:28 PM

wolly4321 on February 2, 2014 at 12:23 PM

This is not good. I am around political blogs daily I either didn’t know or didn’t remember(fading fast). This is a neat trick because disassociating themselves from something that is basically the truth could be more than a little tricky.

Cindy Munford on February 2, 2014 at 12:32 PM

You indeed have to ask yourself did FNS have any Idea why a zuckerberg false front group purchased an ad buy in the middle of a Ryan interview on immigration?

Bet they paid top dollar for that.

wolly4321 on February 2, 2014 at 12:42 PM

wolly4321 on February 2, 2014 at 12:33 PM

Truly underhanded and will probably be seen more and more.

Cindy Munford on February 2, 2014 at 12:42 PM

wolly4321 on February 2, 2014 at 12:42 PM

I doubt they care. They will probably enjoy the bucks and if life were fair, make a news story about the dishonesty of it. I’m going to hide and watch. Sure are a lot of Republicans behind this. I am so disappointed.

Cindy Munford on February 2, 2014 at 12:44 PM

wolly4321 on February 2, 2014 at 12:42 PM

The thing I don’t understand is why the don’t work on changes for future immigrants. I realize that they our education system is so bad that they need high tech employees by I don’t see anything going on in the education part of this problem. Increase the number of those work visas, make them cheaper but I don’t see how blanket amnesty for illegals is the way to go.

Cindy Munford on February 2, 2014 at 12:48 PM

Even wiki knows who they are.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FWD.us.

I don’t like being lied to. If little ol’ me can figure this crap out, so can the gop. Foxnews, too.

His “conservative” direction is cheap foriegn labor.

wolly4321 on February 2, 2014 at 12:53 PM

Cindy Munford on February 2, 2014 at 12:48 PM

He wants his yard taken care of with cheap labor as well?

wolly4321 on February 2, 2014 at 12:56 PM

wolly4321 on February 2, 2014 at 12:56 PM

I would think he would get a better rate on someone “in the shadows”.

Cindy Munford on February 2, 2014 at 1:13 PM

I bet Paul Ryan’s Norman Rockwellesque home town of Janesville WI doesn’t have to deal with it.

I’m preaching to the choir to fellow border state residents.

TxAnn56 on February 2, 2014 at 11:12 AM

Bingo. Although I find Janesville to be a piss-farm compared to most of Wisconsin, it shares nothing in common with the parts of America who are in any way affected by 20 million illegal Mexican and Central American aliens. I have no idea what animates Ryan on this, and couldn’t care less — but I have no doubt it is rooted in personal ambition and political calculation.

As for Houston, has every productive and functional white person moved out of the city? Seems like every person I know in “Houston” actually lives in Sugarland or The Woodlands. When I’m there on business, the downtown area is a ghost town.

Jaibones on February 2, 2014 at 1:15 PM

I have snow to shovel!….Hours of it!

KOOLAID2 on February 2, 2014 at 12:28 PM

Our new way of life in the upper midwest – wake up and shovel.

Jaibones on February 2, 2014 at 1:15 PM

It’s Groundhog Immigration Reform Day.

The move that failed under Reagan and wishes to keep failing, over and over.

The only way to bust this crooked cabal of crony capitalists (GOP) and crypto-socialists (Dems) is to vote in people who still care about the survivial of America and not the feathering of their cuckoo’s nests.

profitsbeard on February 2, 2014 at 1:20 PM

“Immigration reform” is sheer politics to Obama and Democrats, not serious policy. It is the perpetual hot potato they use to whip naive Republicans, as they successfully did in 2005-2006:

December 2005: The Sensenbrenner strict enforcement-only immigration bill was brought to the GOP-controlled House floor with a provision to change the penalty for the first illegal entry into our country from a misdemeanor to a felony. Sensenbrenner had second thoughts (“Why crowd our jails with 12 million illegals – just get them out of here through law enfrocement”) and introduced his own amendment to reverse the language and leave the penalty as a misdemeanor.

Guess who voted for misdemeanor and who voted for felony???

Naive Republicans voted on principle 156 to 65 for misdemeanor.

Cunning, calculating, corrupt, Democrats voted 191 to 8 for felony.

The bill thus had the Democrat “poison pill” amendment for the coming demagogue season — the spring of 2006 during the massive illegal alien marches.

In May 2006, Senators Clinton, Kennedy, et al, stood on the Capitol steps and rallied the assembled illegal aliens, La Raza members and assorted open-borders crowd with, “We won’t let the Republicans make you criminals!”

Harry Reid, when questioned about it, said, “You can’t deny it was a Republican House and a Republican bill.”

And now, ever since just 3 weeks (sic!) after the 2012 election, Chuck Schumer started to give political advice to the GOP, and the naive Republican leadership began swallowing it — hook, line, and sinker.

The naive and unprincipled GOP took only 21 days to turn their backs on their campaign promise:

http://www.gop.com/2012-republican-platform_home/

Reforming Government to Serve the People

The Rule of Law: Legal Immigration

“…We recognize that for most of those seeking entry into this country, the lack of respect for the rule of law in their homelands has meant economic exploitation and political oppression by corrupt elites. In this country, the rule of law guarantees equal treatment to every individual, including more than one million immigrants to whom we grant permanent residence every year. That is why we oppose any form of amnesty for those who, by intentionally violating the law, disadvantage those who have obeyed it. Granting amnesty only rewards and encourages more law breaking…”

AND THEY ARE DOING THE WRONG THING FOR THE WRONG REASON!!

They are trying to hold on to political power because Chuck Schumer warned then they would never win another national election unless they try to out-pander the Democrats by offering to REWARD criminals (illegal aliens who committed at least a misdemeanor crime) with their ill-gotten gains (residency in oiur country)!

And they don’t need to pander:

40% of Hispanics want attrition through enforcement versus only 54% who favor amnesty:

http://www.jmisys.com/immigrationmarches/zogby5.html

Add in the 50% of Democrats and 62% of Republicans and attrition through enforcement is the winning policy — NOT amnesty!!!

fred5678 on February 2, 2014 at 1:21 PM

Links to House vote on my felony comment above

http://www.jmisys.com/immigrationmarches/#housevote

fred5678 on February 2, 2014 at 1:29 PM

Our new way of life in the upper midwest –wake up and shovel. Jaibones on February 2, 2014 at 1:15 PM

Work will set you free.

wolly4321 on February 2, 2014 at 1:45 PM

What Dimocrat got the benefit of Bob Schieffer’s pimping and editing out criticisms this morning?

viking01 on February 2, 2014 at 1:47 PM

My problem with the Republicans immigration stance is it’s Democrat lite. If they actually had an immigration bill that would accomplish something, I would cheer them on. THe only way to get an immigration bill that accomplishes something is to have some leadership with a clue.

THe real point is, no matter what they put forward, it will be demagogued by the Democrats. At least, if they put forward a real Republican plan, something a vast majority could get behind, they could at least run on a proposal. It’s really getting annoying watching what happens when you don’t have good leaders, in the House and the Senate. If the Republicans are lucky enough to take over the Senate and keep the House, they really need to get leadership in both places. My problem is who are the leaders in the House? I can’t see any of the present team, Boehner or Cantor doing what’s necessary to do what’s right for the American people. If good policy makes good politics, they need to start proposing good policy then let Obama have to defend what he’s doing. If the policy is good enough, they’ll win their share of the battles. Doing what they’re doing now is a plan guaranteed to lose.

bflat879 on February 2, 2014 at 2:40 PM

As for Houston, has every productive and functional white person moved out of the city? Seems like every person I know in “Houston” actually lives in Sugarland or The Woodlands. When I’m there on business, the downtown area is a ghost town.

Jaibones on February 2, 2014 at 1:15 PM

You pretty much nailed it. I was born and raised in Houston, but have lived in Sugarland for the last 20 years, although it now resembles a combination of India, Pakistan and China. There are the wealthier pockets in Houston where most of the whites that are left live, but it’s pretty much a cesspool.

TxAnn56 on February 2, 2014 at 2:47 PM

You really need to get your facts straight before you start foaming at the mouth. And if you loathe non-hispanics so much, perhaps you should consider moving out of this country.

TxAnn56 on February 2, 2014 at 11:52 AM

And, you have to remember that Eddie Munster, Jr. is the Diva’s fantasy lover so whatever he says goes.

bw222 on February 2, 2014 at 3:04 PM

Penn & Teller distill Frederick Bastiat’s “The Law” down to 1:23 mins.

Akzed on February 2, 2014 at 3:06 PM

BE ON*

conservativeBC on February 2, 2014 at 3:26 PM

The only way to bust this crooked cabal of crony capitalists (GOP) and crypto-socialists (Dems) is to vote in people who still care about the survivial of America and not the feathering of their cuckoo’s nests.

profitsbeard on February 2, 2014 at 1:20 PM

But pb — where are the serious=money donors who are willing to back patriotic candidates. All the corporate money is Crony Capitalist money. Pay to play they call it in Illinois.

Even Microsoft, which famously refused to make political donations for a time, was attacked by the corrupt Clinton administration for unfair business practices. They now see the financial benefit of spending money on crooked Democrats to avoid DOJ lawsuits.

Who will fight that kind of corruption? Clearly not Republican businessmen, who want cheap labor (understandably) and fear a wildly corrupt O’Bozo administration.

Jaibones on February 2, 2014 at 3:27 PM