I know… let’s forget about Obamacare and start a big immigration reform fight!

posted at 12:31 pm on February 2, 2014 by Jazz Shaw

Allahpundit brought up the waffling issue, demonstrating that this isn’t anywhere near a done deal yet, but the continuing trend seems to be Republicans marching out on camera to talk about working on a “comprehensive” immigration reform plan. This is more than a little disappointing on a couple of levels. There have already been some sacrifices made to keep the train on the tracks which have gotten the blood of many conservatives boiling. Avoiding a bloodbath on the debt ceiling and the budget deal was a big give, but it kept the focus on Obamacare (an issue where Republicans are finally winning and looking to knock several Senate seats back into the red column.) In terms of media wars, if we can get the Christie bridge story off the front page one way or the other, things should settle back into the long predicted train wreck taking place before everyone’s eyes. And yet… well, I’ll let Andrew McCarthy explain.

Now, with the Obamacare debacle getting worse by the day and teeing up as the defining issue of the 2014 midterm elections, Republican leadership has decided this is the perfect time to roll out an immigration-reform proposal (i) that has nothing to do with Obamacare and is certain to detract attention from its failure; (ii) that fraudulently proclaims “enforcement first” while actually prioritizing legal status for law-breakers, thereby encouraging more law-breaking and ensuring that enforcement never happens; (iii) that depends for enforcement on a president who has demonstrated that he will not enforce the immigration laws; and (iv) that will be deeply offensive to the GOP’s already disgruntled conservative base, ensuring that droves of them will sit out the 2014 midterms.

McCarthy describes this as sheer genius with tongue planted firmly in cheek. I really don’t understand what Boehner is even debating. (Unless, of course, he actually has no intention of moving on any immigration bills and is just paying lip service to keep the media interested.) There’s not going to be comprehensive immigration Big Bill on the floor without his approval, so the solution in this case should be to simply do nothing. And isn’t that supposed to be the one thing Congress is good at anyway? For face saving purposes, a series of small bills which toughen border security (though that still looks like a finger in the leaking dike scenario), give employers the tools to verify the immigration status of applicants and significantly toughen penalties for those who hire illegals could pass the House. Then, when Harry Reid or Barack Obama try the you won’t work on immigration reform line, you just remind them that you’ve already sent three bills over awaiting their signature, followed by, so… how’s that Obamacare thing working out?

Will they have the discipline to stay on course or are we going to round up the circular firing squad again? Place your bets.


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Stems from potty training issues – He wets himself when the GOPe Donor Class frowns.

PolAgnostic on February 2, 2014 at 12:35 PM

As I said on the headline thread:

Amnesty, or “amnesty lite” that would lead to full amnesty, would kill us.

No question. The problem: it would not only demoralize and turn away much of our base, causing a massive enthusiasm void and legendary “missing white vote,” but it would alienate Reagan Democrats and especially a huge number of Buchanan style INDEPENDENTS that may lean Democrat in key ways but are fervently anti-amnesty. Take the amnesty issue “off the table,” and these voters are then free to drift into the Dem column.

After all, the Independents would also be enraged at the Repubs for enacting amnesty. Odd thing is Hispanics would see us as the villains, even more so after amnesty or legalization (amnesty light) because they would see that ~ 80% of House Republicans would have voted against amnesty, so how can Hispanics see Republicans as anything but anti-amnesty, even after amnesty? And after amnesty or legalization, from day one the Dems are going to start pushing for full citizenship for all that are here (or want to come here!!!), and so the Hispanics are going to stay in the Dem column, but with growing numbers of Hispanic voters caused by amnesty (it’s also the bountiful children of the fertile immigrants that in a few years will be voting [like, CA's school system is over 50% Hispanic, kindergarten through third grade is over 60% Hispanic!]).

We can never compete with the Dems for the Hispanic vote that will be demanding welfare style redistributions and instant citizenship for anyone that wants to come here from down south.

anotherJoe on February 2, 2014 at 12:35 PM

This is what snatching defeat from the jaws of victory looks like.

B-uck F-oener.

I have had enough of this BS.

RealMc on February 2, 2014 at 12:35 PM

We are doomed

jaywemm on February 2, 2014 at 12:36 PM

how’s that Obamacare thing working out?
how’s that Obamacare thing working out?
how’s that Obamacare thing working out?

This should be pounded in but boner is an idiot.

VegasRick on February 2, 2014 at 12:37 PM

We don’t have a need … for “Immigration (law) reform”.
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We have a need for Immigration Law EXECUTION !

listens2glenn on February 2, 2014 at 12:38 PM

This is what snatching defeat from the jaws of victory looks like.

B-uck F-oener.

I have had enough of this BS.

RealMc on February 2, 2014 at 12:35 PM

Yep.

VegasRick on February 2, 2014 at 12:38 PM

I want to think the Republicans are just paying lip service to the immigration deal to woo Latinos and keep the Democrats off guard, but they’re going about it in their usual ham-fisted way. In any case, I am so over House Majority Panderer Orange McWeepyface.

RebeccaH on February 2, 2014 at 12:39 PM

CA’s school system is over 50% Hispanic, kindergarten through third grade is over 60% Hispanic.

And from Buchanan: As has been observed often, America, demographically, is going to look like California. And while Nixon won California all five times he was on a national ticket, and Reagan won California in landslides all four times he ran, California has not gone Republican in six straight presidential elections.

Democrats outnumber Republicans there by more than two-to-one in the CA congressional delegation and in the State Assembly, and not a single Republican holds statewide office.

anotherJoe on February 2, 2014 at 12:42 PM

I look at you all see the love there that’s sleeping
While my Speaker gently weeps
I look at the House floor and I see it needs sweeping
Still my Speaker gently weeps

I don’t know why nobody told you
How to unfold your love
I don’t know how someone controlled you
They bought and sold you

I look at the world and I notice it’s turning
While my Speaker gently weeps
With every mistake we must surely be learning
Still my Speaker gently weeps

Well…

I don’t know how you were diverted
You were perverted too
I don’t know how you were inverted
No one alerted you

I look at you all see the love there that’s sleeping
While my Speaker gently weeps
Look at you all
Still my Speaker gently weeps

Oh, oh
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
Oh, oh, oh, oh

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, oh, ooh

Flange on February 2, 2014 at 12:42 PM

Then, when Harry Reid or Barack Obama try the you won’t work on immigration reform line, you just remind them that you’ve already sent three bills over awaiting their signature, followed by, so… how’s that Obamacare thing working out?

Jazz; From Boehner’s point of view this strategy was already tried on the budget and debt ceiling issues, and wound up being judged a loss in the NYT and the press, which is all weepy cares about.

So his current track makes sense to him, but not to me, the base, you, or anyone living outside the Beltway.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on February 2, 2014 at 12:43 PM

I really don’t understand what Boehner is even debating. (Unless, of course, he actually has no intention of moving on any immigration bills and is just paying lip service to keep the media interested.)

There is no “unless”. Just talking about this and trying to push it forward in idiotic proposals is a major betrayal and back-stabbing by the treasonous worms in the GOP. It doesn’t matter if nothing ever gets to the House floor, their words are already far beyond the pale and totally unacceptable.

I have been a reliable GOP vote for decades but that is over. Not only will my vote not be, reliably, for the GOP, it will most definitely NOT be for anyone in the GOP. That party is nothing but treasonous douchebags at the top and must be put to sleep. And even deeper into the GOP the stupid reigns supreme, as we all knew when the idiots re-elected that crybaby POS Boner to the Weepership after two years of total failure and collusion with the Dems and the Indonesian Imbecile against America and conservatives.

Enough. Let the GOP finally die and make way for some people who actually like the idea of America … heck, let make way for people who like the actual idea of the nation-state, at the very least.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 2, 2014 at 12:46 PM

Boehner’s primary is in May. I suggest we take this opportunity to take him out. February 5th is the filing deadline, and as I understand it, two challengers will be on the ballot. Time to rally behind one and kick this guy out of office.

Stoic Patriot on February 2, 2014 at 12:48 PM

here is an idea. i klnow its crazy but maybe if the GOP would fight the issues the dems bring up instead of trying to be dem lite people might rally behind them. It’s working with obamacare it would work with immigration. Tell americans amnest will kill their jobs, be the defender of the middle class instead of the CEO class and see what happens. Hell if its really amnest the GOPe wants what’s to stop them from passing it once they WIN the senate and house and POTUS? then instead of it being a dem bill or an obama bill. It will be a pure GOP bill they can take all the credit unlike with the civil rights bill of the 1960 which was passed with GOP help but giving the dems and LBJ all the credit.

idiots the GOPe are a bunch of idiots.

unseen on February 2, 2014 at 12:49 PM

Please let your representative know how you feel!!!

http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/

CWchangedhisNicagain on February 2, 2014 at 12:52 PM

obama needs a signature ‘achievement’ for his second term.

Boehner/Cantor/Ryan, the obama-azzkissers, will make sure he gets it.

News Flash.

If the President decides not to enforce the immigration laws of the nation, which is the current situation, then there is nothing Congress can do about that short of impeachment.

So we are in a unique moment in American history. We stand on the threshold of an election which will probably make 2010 look like a minor chastisement of the Democrats. Not only is the House majority secure but significant gains are possible. The Senate becoming Republican looks very much like a done deal. Rather than hammering the administration on its incompetence and criminality, the GOP has elected to give the Democrats an escape hatch on Obamacare and to carry out a bloody civil war over immigration.

We are led by buffoons. We deserve to lose.

Schadenfreude on February 2, 2014 at 12:55 PM

This public policy train wreck is brought to you by the nitwit RINOs who have spent every waking moment during and since the “government shutdown” battle blaming Mike Lee and Ted Cruz for ruining the GOP brand (or something) and “taking our eye off the ball” of the impending ObamaCare disaster…which in retrospect is exactly what Cruz and Lee were warning us about.

RINOs = too stupid, too dishonest, and too liberal for the conservative Republican party. As an added bonus – they are why Libertarians hate Republicans as much as they hate the Nanny State Democrats.

Jaibones on February 2, 2014 at 12:55 PM

Boehner should resign as Speaker and Chrispie should resign as Governor. Northeastern RINOs and Southern Blue dogs should switch parties.

Bleed_thelizard on February 2, 2014 at 12:58 PM

Will they have the discipline to stay on course or are we going to round up the circular firing squad again? Place your bets.

The latter

Schadenfreude on February 2, 2014 at 12:58 PM

There is something so fishy about this that it puts into mind that Boehner and Cantor may have worked out something with Obama that will benefit them in or out of office. I cannot imagine such a treasonous deal but in DC nothing is off of the table when it comes to ego and position. According to the report of the vote after the Republican retreat it was 80/20 AGAINST immigration reform or any discussion of it. This cannot be just a change in direction but it is inline with the terrible decision made by the moron who is president of the US Chamber of Commerce who said that they would fight the TEA party to keep the deadwood Congress critters in office who supported all of the failed policies that help large businesses. They ALL support immigration reform to keep the supply of low wage employees coming and damn the country!

inspectorudy on February 2, 2014 at 12:58 PM

Flange on February 2, 2014 at 12:42 PM

Nice.

Mimzey on February 2, 2014 at 12:58 PM

All amnesty of illegal aliens, go directly to Hell.

You are an insult to all US workers, blue/white colors, the children and all legal immigrants.

May you all be destroyed.

Schadenfreude on February 2, 2014 at 12:59 PM

Immigration is the perfect wedge issue to move some African Americans into the Republican camp. There currently aren’t enough working class jobs for citizens, yet the Democrats want to make the job situation even worse by legalizing illegal immigrants.

Hit the Democrats on the poor economy, jobs, AND immigration. The winning trifecta.

huckleberryfriend on February 2, 2014 at 12:59 PM

Now, with the Obamacare debacle getting worse by the day and teeing up as the defining issue of the 2014 midterm elections, Republican leadership has decided this is the perfect time to roll out an immigration-reform proposal (i) that has nothing to do with Obamacare and is certain to detract attention from its failure; (ii) that fraudulently proclaims “enforcement first” while actually prioritizing legal status for law-breakers, thereby encouraging more law-breaking and ensuring that enforcement never happens; (iii) that depends for enforcement on a president who has demonstrated that he will not enforce the immigration laws; and (iv) that will be deeply offensive to the GOP’s already disgruntled conservative base, ensuring that droves of them will sit out the 2014 midterms.

McCarthy is 100% right, (he’s right about Christie, too) of course. And this is obvious — seemingly — to everyone but the fools pushing for this. It, however, makes this question even more pressing Why are they doing this?

Is it principle? Then why didn’t they campaign on this issue in 2010 and 2012?

Is it electoral map politics? How often do they need to be told that this will not turn the hugely left-leaning Hispanic community to the GOP? (This was what was so bizarre about Rubio’s arrogance — give me amnesty, I’ll give you votes.)

Is it the money and the CoC? I see the point of this one…however, how stupid do you have to be not to see that all of the CoC money isn’t going to buy votes from people who hate you and think you’re racist, and it won’t succeed in salving the breach with conservatives.

Is it that they are trying to drive the Tea Party and conservatives out of the party? This is Rush’s view, I think. And I have some sympathy with it.

Still, I think this gives way way too much credit to the likes of Boehner and Ryan…Ryan got bested by Murray and Biden, for crying out loud. He’s not that smart. Neither are any of the rest of them — they are not that smart to figure out such a plan….if that really were the plan, they had plenty of opportunities to put it in action without waiting for 2012 exit polls.

Nope…I think there’s only one reason they are some of the most arrogant, stupid people to be in charge of the House since Pelosi.

EastofEden on February 2, 2014 at 1:02 PM

Stoic Patriot on February 2, 2014 at 12:48 PM

Yeppers

Pitchfork them all, politically.

2014 will be an epic year, the last straw. The Rs are a greater danger to the land than the Ds. They enable the latter at the land’s destruction.

Schadenfreude on February 2, 2014 at 1:02 PM

Boehner’s primary is in May. I suggest we take this opportunity to take him out. February 5th is the filing deadline, and as I understand it, two challengers will be on the ballot. Time to rally behind one and kick this guy out of office.

Stoic Patriot on February 2, 2014 at 12:48 PM

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I’ve been waiting for Club for Growth or another conservative group to finish vetting the two and get behind one of them – then I’ll know whose campaign to work as a volunteer.

PolAgnostic on February 2, 2014 at 1:03 PM

Boehner needs to get his head examined.

GarandFan on February 2, 2014 at 1:03 PM

Then, when Harry Reid or Barack Obama try the you won’t work on immigration reform line, you just remind them that you’ve already sent three bills over awaiting their signature, followed by, so… how’s that Obamacare thing working out?

GOP got rolled on the “government (partial) shutdown” when the House passed funding bills and it was Harry Reid who blocked them, so why expect anything different here.

rbj on February 2, 2014 at 1:04 PM

huckleberryfriend on February 2, 2014 at 12:59 PM

Indeed. The leftists and RINOs who’re amnesty traitors hate the blacks, hate the middle class, hate the American workers, blue and white color…Never ignore the latter.

There is an overabundance of under- and un-employed American labor…yet, they go to India and all over for foreign laborers.

Newsflash – a white laborer from India makes 90,000/yr. in the US, often having cheated and re-written the resume to get in…then they learn whatever they need, advance in long hours worked, forfeit the bennies…it’s not always about cheap labor, it’s about how they are willing to be classified.

You, the legal US American citizen or legal alien, are scroomed royally by the left and the right.

obama hates you all. He is a globalist fascist socialist.

Schadenfreude on February 2, 2014 at 1:06 PM

McCarthy describes this as sheer genius with tongue planted firmly in cheek.

Too subtle a messaging method:

Dear “Weepy” Boehner,

Remember there is no “I” in team?

Well, there is no “WIN” in pissing off your support BASE.

Sincerely,

Anyone who has ever won “Student Body President”

PolAgnostic on February 2, 2014 at 1:09 PM

I know Indians who brag about how the cheat and flourish in America. It’s been going on for many years but is now in its full charlatanic swing.

When they get caught they seek/establish new agencies. The agencies are all run by Indians too. Sometimes I ‘tango’ with their minds. I’ve identified and exposed many. Sometimes I helped to lay off hundreds at one time. In a few weeks they resurface elsewhere.

Schadenfreude on February 2, 2014 at 1:09 PM

Oh, such smart leadership. /

Hill60 on February 2, 2014 at 1:10 PM

If amnesty passes I think the american worker will have no choice but to go to war or see their standard of living approach thrid world status. There wa s headline a couple days ago about the rich being afraid of class warfare. Go ahead and pass amnesty and it will be a hot class war that will make 1917 look mild.

unseen on February 2, 2014 at 1:11 PM

Today Gallup has the unemployment rate at 8.6%. That’s nearly two points higher than the “actual” rate — the highest differential I’ve seen it.

I don’t pretend to know if the Gallup number is any more/less reflective of actual unemployment than the the BLS number. But along the lines of the corporate/grassroots GOP divide, I think some Republicans believe the economy is recovering and isn’t so bad (which is how I view it from reading WSJ headlines) — versus the actual experience of voters, white and black, who think it stinks.

That’s what GOP politicians should focus on.

bobs1196 on February 2, 2014 at 1:13 PM

Ryan/CankerSore/Boneless

…phuck them basturds!

KOOLAID2 on February 2, 2014 at 1:14 PM

We know exactly what’s going to happen with all this and the debt ceiling. Unless we can get real TEA Party types as a majority in both houses of Congress this nonsense will continue until the system can bear no more and collapses.

But I don’t believe we will ever have a TEA Party-dominated Congress, because most voters are going to turn to whoever they think will benefit them the most personally. When you’re losing your home and don’t know if you’ll ever have a decent paying job again, the last thing folks want to hear about are the philosophies of free market capitalism, pulling yourselves up by your boot straps, etc.

We’ve been through all this immigrations stuff before in our history, and the result has always been the same…a weaker, more fragmented America farther removed from the principles of our Founding Fathers and increasing beholden to foreign interests and perverted by European political and religious ideologies.

The real American system has long thrived on cheap immigrant labor and both parties have long fought over the votes of the newly arrived. But the Dems have always been better at it because they promise more free stuff, while the Republicans would only offer mere opportunity.

Dr. ZhivBlago on February 2, 2014 at 1:15 PM

Stems from potty training issues – He wets himself when the GOPe Donor Class frowns.

PolAgnostic on February 2, 2014 at 12:35 PM

How much money does the “Tea Party class” give to the RNC and RNCC compared to the “GOPe donor class”?

And will you vote against your congressman if this comes to the floor – whether he or she supports it or not? The calculation they’re making is that conservative districts/states are safe so they can push this to help win in purple or blue districts/states.

kcewa on February 2, 2014 at 1:15 PM

Republicans marching out on camera to talk about working on a “comprehensive” immigration reform plan.

These guys are just plain strange, who in the world is advising them? The only reform the vast majority want is to see the bureaucracy actually enforce the laws we have, and protect the boarders.

whbates on February 2, 2014 at 1:17 PM

I saw a “GOP” commercial about amnesty this morning that apparently is a head fake put out by Zuckerberg. What a mess!

Cindy Munford on February 2, 2014 at 1:18 PM

Tell americans amnest will kill their jobs

unseen on February 2, 2014 at 12:49 PM

And it will. And depress wages.

This amnesty lite, which will without question lead to full citizenship for the illegals and their abounding offspring, is a joke. Who is to benefit? Not Republicans. Big business? Not when the execs see their property and wealth confiscated by the new low income “immigrant” led redistributionists.

The Dems & illegals will say to the big business execs and Chamber of Commmerce types that gave them amnesty: “All we want is fairness! How is it fair that you business execs have so much money while the poor immigrants have so little? That is kind of racist of you. End this racist inequality. We are not living in the 19th century anymore where we had the likes of Rockefeller and Carnegie. Give it up! The wealth. Not income taxes, but redistributive wealth taxes, that’s what is called for: 10% a year, of all assets, to level the playing field. Don’t you want a level playing field?”

And of course the US will soon look like CA as far as the electorate (see my comment above with a quote from Buchanan), so leveling wealth taxes will pass Constitutional muster… … Unless we take a stand now, against those in cahoots with the Democrats like Rino Ryan and preppy Cantor and weepy vacillating Boehner.

anotherJoe on February 2, 2014 at 1:22 PM

anotherJoe on February 2, 2014 at 1:22 PM

and when the CEOs object to their wealth being taken the masses will have no option but a 1917 type of revolt. (which explains the entire NSA spying)

I ve been a capitalist for 4 decades but there is no way in hell I am going to support crony capitalism while I watch my standard of living decrease and my children’s hopes for a better future die. I would rather see all of us poor then see a few elites have wealth and the rest of us be serfs.

unseen on February 2, 2014 at 1:29 PM

On Immigration, What’s the Hurry?
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2014/01/on-immigration-whats-the-hurry.php

In his State of the Union speech, President Obama called on Congress to “get immigration reform done this year.” Other proponents of “reform,” on both sides of the aisle, have echoed that refrain, saying that now is the time to address the long-simmering issue of immigration.

But why? The Democrats have wanted amnesty and vastly increased low-skill immigration for a long time, but why is now–2014–a good time for Republicans to join them? As things stand, public revulsion at Obamacare, along with the usual sixth-year malaise, almost guarantees that the GOP gains seats in the House. It is likely to take the Senate as well. So why is this a good time for Republican leaders to introduce an issue that will split the party wide open, anger most of the GOP base, and undoubtedly cause some conservatives to stay home rather than voting Republican in November? From a political point of view, now is a terrible time to take up immigration reform.

But why are Republicans going down this path at all? It is easy to see why Democrats are willing to risk voter wrath in the short term: they expect immigration “reform” to produce many millions of new Democratic voters, who will assure Democratic dominance in Washington for a generation, and maybe forever. That is a prize worth taking risks for. But why are Republicans willing to join in what looks like a suicide pact? Some, I think, are under the delusion that backing amnesty will be good for the party politically because it will garner Hispanic votes.

Colbyjack on February 2, 2014 at 1:30 PM

To tell the truth, I don’t see Boehner or Cantor as the real culprit in this. I’m thinking they’re both mostly ambivalent about it and the real force behind the push is Paul Ryan.

Fathoming the reasons why Ryan would want to take the focus off Obamacare and the other woes the Dems are having in the run up to the November elections, thereby tamping down House wins and scotching our chances to take the Senate, are beyond me. He borders on extremist on this issue, though, and in position against American citizens in a time of a terrible economy. You’d think he’d know he’s putting Americans at a disadvantage on this, being an economist and all and deeply involved in budgets as head of the House Budget committee.

Anyway, Ryan’s the one reasonable minded people should be targeting for primary challenges and, I’d suggest, even losing the set to the Dems, or a third party run, if must, just to remove this extremist from the GOP ranks in the House. It’s not like he’s done much good while there.

Dusty on February 2, 2014 at 1:30 PM

These Boehner/McConnell/Ryan Republicans are just BEGGING for a third party.

Let’s give them what they want.

portlandon on February 2, 2014 at 1:32 PM

Ernest Hemingway had this figured out, in a slightly different context, in his 1929 novel A Farewell to Arms. “There is a class that controls a country that is stupid and does not realize anything and never can.” A few pages later, addressing the desires of ordinary, non ruling class citizens: “They are not organized to stop things and when they get organized their leaders sell them out.”

GaltBlvnAtty on February 2, 2014 at 1:33 PM

Fathoming the reasons why Ryan would want to take the focus off Obamacare and the other woes the Dems are having in the run up to the November elections, thereby tamping down House wins and scotching our chances to take the Senate, are beyond me.

Dusty on February 2, 2014 at 1:30 PM

Ryan is quite a big fish in a 1/3 power pond.

I’m sure he wouldn’t be as important if the Republicans took the Senate.

Ryan is a real jacka$$.

portlandon on February 2, 2014 at 1:34 PM

You guys have it all wrong, our representatives are just measly serving “the peoples” will…who those people are I have no idea, but they are certainly trying to serve them.

Take names and dry up their money in any way we can, it’s the only way we have left to fight other than, well, you know….and no one wants to go there so we better do what we can now before it’s too late.

Alinsky on February 2, 2014 at 1:36 PM

Dusty on February 2, 2014 at 1:30 PM

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portlandon on February 2, 2014 at 1:34 PM

the reason why ryan is being seen as the front guy for this is because the GOPE thinks Ryan is “beloved” by consevartives and by putting his face as the spokesman then they willderail anti-amnesty groups. It’s the same reason the GOPE used Rubio as the face of amnesty push in the Senate.

Hell its the only reason Mitt picked him in 2012 because the GOPe thought Ryan would satify us conservatives. He didn’t Mitt lost. But they go with what they got.

unseen on February 2, 2014 at 1:38 PM

[The immigrants will call for] redistributive wealth taxes, that’s what is called for: 10% a year, of all assets, to level the playing field

By the way, let’s say you have an assessed net worth of $7 million.

Sounds like a ton, right? A house, a retirement account, savings, a little cabin in the hills. That’s it, and you got to come up with $700,000 to pay the Walth Tax bill. On top of any income and property taxes. Don’t have the dough? Basically then, like in Monopoly, you can turn over your properties… but to the state.

Now, this will reduce the value of real estate, but the state will be flush with cash and auctionable property to use for things like Social Security and Obamacare, but also for serious negative income tax credits and other redistributional efforts, and the state will be able to rent or offer property in a system of patronage to benefit the Dems. Stop amnesty now!

You might think that the electorate is going to find this type of wealth tax scheme unfair. But do you think that the poor immigrant and progressive led electorate will weep for you when they are living in a shack down by the river? No. You will get by, it is they that are not even with you. “Even the playing field!” will become the immigrant cry.

anotherJoe on February 2, 2014 at 1:38 PM

It becomes increasingly obvious that somebody has something big on Weasel Boehner.

When Nanzi Pelosi can come across more effective as ex-speaker than present Weasel Boehner … one wonders what they have on him? The FBI file Killary got from Barbecue Reno? Something more recent Sleazy Eric Holder is willing to breach or manufacture? Or Boehner may simply be mentally unstable from the bottle or the fake tan obsession obvious on camera during the SOTU.

In whatever case Boehner is inadequate for a leadership role and must be replaced by someone willing to fight for the platform, the Constitution and for what he once claimed himself to be. After 3 years of selling out Boehner isn’t going to suddenly grow a pair. Send him home.

viking01 on February 2, 2014 at 1:39 PM

I saw a “GOP” commercial about amnesty this morning that apparently is a head fake put out by Zuckerberg. What a mess!
Cindy Munford on February 2, 2014 at 1:18 PM

Exactly right! I have been seeing those for a while now. I am wondering why we don’t have advertisements playing as often or more giving the truth and countering those ads.

bluegill on February 2, 2014 at 1:41 PM

Why, oh why do we elect these idiots?

rplat on February 2, 2014 at 1:43 PM

Tell americans amnest will kill their jobs

unseen on February 2, 2014 at 12:49 PM

True, but look at the alternative-have the government step in and control immigration in order to maintain artificially higher wages…sounds a bit like Socialism doesn’t it now?

In a Capitalist system, the CEOs will do whatever they can to maximize profits, be it using cheap immigrant labor, opening up operations overseas, laying off workers, and so on. I would do the same in their shoes. That’s what you’re supposed to do in order to keep your job as a manager of a company.

And the vast majority of us here want a Capitalist system. But at the same time the maximizing of profits is cutting our throats. There’s no way around it. The “system” that we have become dependent upon is once again collapsing.

But this time around there will be no WW II to bail us out through the military-industrial complex, and there will not be a majority of Americans gainfully employed, able to grow much of their own food, etc. as back in the 1930s. We also don’t have the luxury of a miniscule national debt as under FDR thus enabling the Fed to print more money with no opposition.

I want controlled immigration and I don’t want to see Americans lose their jobs to foreigners overseas, but philosophically there really is no way to justify either of those situations without discarding the ideals of free enterprise.

If we lovers of free enterprise put our money where our mouths are, we’d be fine with an influx of cheap labor so that private concerns can be more profitable, and we’d be fine with outsourcing our industry to China and elsewhere for the same reason. It is none of our business how a company decides to do their business.

So we’re between a hard and a rock place. Conclusion? The “system” is changing and will cease to work for the vast majority of us as in the past. It’s simply evolving, and we have to face that and ask ourselves “what’s next” and “how do we adjust to new economic realities while maintaining the foundations of our Republic?”

Dr. ZhivBlago on February 2, 2014 at 1:46 PM

A lot of you just don’t get it. You have been betrayed plain and simple. The democrats want the conversation off of obamacare and the republicans oblige. The democrats want amnesty and the republicans oblige. In between they pay homage to republican ideas to quell their base but in the end they capitulate. Why would any sane person running for office pick a fight with conservatives, the Tea Party (not necessarily the same thing) and the democrats all at once? You have been lead down the primrose path.
They only thing that the “leaders” in the republican party care about are their own individual seats. What are the threats to the leadership as a whole? The Tea Party and conservatives. They know that if they ever get the power, all of them will be history. The old phrase “better the devil you know” comes to mind. The leadership can make deals with the democrats but they know that true conservatives will NEVER sacrifice their beliefs. So what do they do? Protect their individual seats and sell out to the democrats even knowing that this will cost them other seats. They would rather protect what little they have instead of taking a chance and losing it all (in their mind). I have never missed a vote in my entire life. This is the first time I have ever felt that my vote truly doesn’t matter.

bandutski on February 2, 2014 at 1:48 PM

Voters are against amnesty and are for securing the border.

That’s why pro-amnesty supporters have to lie to voters, hide their true intentions and pay for ads like this:
VIDEO: http://youtu.be/ecrUDjMlf5s. (Gives impression Graham and Rubio are for getting “tough” on illegal aliens)

And here’s a Zuckerberg-funded, fake “conservative” ad that tries to trick voters into thinking the Republican sellout amnesty proposal is what’s needed to “get tough” on illegals:
VIDEO: http://youtu.be/l9XRF_kqIN4

bluegill on February 2, 2014 at 1:49 PM

OT: Look who just interjected himself into Super Bowl Sunday!!!

Obama can’t stand that people might not be thinking of him today.

portlandon on February 2, 2014 at 1:51 PM

It’s not called the ‘Stupid Party’ for nothing.

Carnac on February 2, 2014 at 1:52 PM

Obama can’t stand that people might not be thinking of him today.

portlandon on February 2, 2014 at 1:51 PM

Live action, he throws like a girl. Super, awesome and manly when they can stage it. I wonder who taught him that pose.

Flange on February 2, 2014 at 1:58 PM

And here’s a Zuckerberg-funded, fake “conservative” ad that tries to trick voters into thinking the Republican sellout amnesty proposal is what’s needed to “get tough” on illegals:
VIDEO: http://youtu.be/l9XRF_kqIN4

bluegill on February 2, 2014 at 1:49 PM

And no surprise that they turned the comment section off for the video. Can’t let people know the truth.

Flange on February 2, 2014 at 1:59 PM

I want controlled immigration and I don’t want to see Americans lose their jobs to foreigners overseas, but philosophically there really is no way to justify either of those situations without discarding the ideals of free enterprise.

Dr. ZhivBlago on February 2, 2014 at 1:46 PM

Refusing to enforce the current immigration laws and legalizing and granting citizenship to millions of unskilled, illegal aliens who flout our laws has nothing to do with respecting the “ideals” of free enterprise. Mass illegal alien amnesty will only encourage and lead to even more illegal aliens in the future. Many illegal aliens (undocumented future Democrats) fill our prisons and costs us billions in social services.

We have immigration laws and standards for a reason, and it is time we enforced them. We should welcome the best and the brightest from other countries, since orderly legal immigration enriches us. But we shouldn’t be encouraging the mass, unchecked transfer of a large segment of Mexico’s poor, unskilled population into this country.

Mass illegal alien amnesty would eventually ensure that we could never again elected a conservative president. In Texas, you could begin looking forward to future Sen. Wendy Davis. Remember that California once gave us the likes of Ronald Reagan, but now statewide elections produce Barbara Boxers. Mass, unchecked illegal immigration has a lot to do with that. Illegal alien amnesty would speed up and help Democrat efforts to turn other states like Texas blue.

bluegill on February 2, 2014 at 1:59 PM

OT: Look who just interjected himself into Super Bowl Sunday!!!

Obama can’t stand that people might not be thinking of him today.

portlandon on February 2, 2014 at 1:51 PM

He’s just getting people used to genuflecting to his visage on a daily basis.

Just wait until we need to place his image in our homes for US to bow down to.

Colbyjack on February 2, 2014 at 2:00 PM

The fact that we have to discuss this insanity is reason enough why John Boehner is no longer suitable or qualified for being the Speaker of the House.

If his fear is that the WH meme of a ‘do-nothing’ Congress will catch hold, particularly as hyped by the lapdog media, then there is plenty of bills that the House can embrace, pass, and send onto the Senate where 80% of the bills over the last Congress died via inaction by Dingy Harry.

Instead, the gutless Vichy Republicans are allowing the lapdog media bully them into taking the focus off of the Obamacare clusterfark and put it on pandering to fix something that was caused by a collective unwillingness to enforce the laws already in place.

To call the Vichy Republicans the leaders of the ‘Stupid Party’ is an insult to the really stupid.

Athos on February 2, 2014 at 2:01 PM

Any serious talk about a legitimate 3rd party will put the GOP into panic mode.You will see these RINOs become mini-Bismarks and Metternichs they will turn so conservative.The establishment of such a party doesn’t necessarily mean a death knell for the GOP,it could be just what is needed to keep them in line.

And if they don’t the third party will ultimately replace them,attracting blue dogs,independents and disaffected consrvatives who have been staying home.I think the argument that a third party will always result in a Democrat win doesn’t necessariy hold water.

So let’s do it!

redware on February 2, 2014 at 2:02 PM

Tell americans amnest will kill their jobs

unseen on February 2, 2014 at 12:49 PM

True, but look at the alternative-have the government step in and control immigration in order to maintain artificially higher wages…sounds a bit like Socialism doesn’t it now?
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Dr. ZhivBlago on February 2, 2014 at 1:46 PM

No. Not even close. In fact, it is the opposite.

The free markets argument is correct when we are talking about open borders between free societies with regard to capital.

fadetogray on February 2, 2014 at 2:03 PM

Exactly right! I have been seeing those for a while now. I am wondering why we don’t have advertisements playing as often or more giving the truth and countering those ads.

bluegill on February 2, 2014 at 1:41 PM

Because our side doesn’t have enough money to produce or run these ads. Their side is the unions and the likes of Soros, Zuckerberg and Bloomberg who have determined that they know what is best for you and that you are racist for thinking that laws should not be enforced on a racial sliding scale.

V7_Sport on February 2, 2014 at 2:04 PM

Dr. ZhivBlago on February 2, 2014 at 1:46 PM

maximizing profits. Nice way to say greed. nothing like killing the goose that lays the golden egg. Cpaitalism works and only works when all within the system benifits. when only a few benifit from maximized profits due to unrestained greed the system collapses because the vast MAJORITY are worse off then under other types of economic systems. socialism is bad but it isn’t as bad as a few eleite controlling all the wealth. the Old communist system was such a system where a few maximized profits and the rest waited in bread lines for hours. It also collapsed. The crony capitalism isn’t capitalism. The bribing of officals to push low wage immigrants into the country destorys the purchasing power of the country. Leading not to maximized profits but to a slow steady decline in profits where the “capitalist” turns increasingly twoards government to make up the difference by using economic moats, laws, regulations to snuff out competition. Monoploies are very bad in a capitalist system unless they are formed to promote the common good. And still its a trade off to get the community the service or goods needed when normal business practice can’t get a industry off the ground.

The shipping of jobs overseas might have helped record profits for companies in the short term but as the present malise of economic growth shows the long term effects are beyonf compreashion. The massive government debt, the red government budget, the growing use of credit of avg households to prop up their living standards, the growing bubble in college, the massive inflation in healthcare requiring Obamacare rationing or something equally bad. All can be laid to the outsourcing of jobs and the open borders.

Having government “step in” and control borders is WHAT GOVERNMENTS ARE FOR. Governments have borders so that people who choose to live in a region are able to live as they see fit. It they want high wages and a strong middle class then it is the government’s job to ensure the conditions are there for that to happen. If they want a strong wealthy elite and serfs the goveernment is set up that way. In other words:

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men and Women, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, …That whenever any form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness

unseen on February 2, 2014 at 2:06 PM

I keep praying that this is a red herring for some unimaginable reason.

I know. I give them waaaay too much credit.

tru2tx on February 2, 2014 at 2:06 PM

No. Not even close. In fact, it is the opposite.

The free markets argument is correct when we are talking about open borders between free societies with regard to capital.

fadetogray on February 2, 2014 at 2:03 PM

Drat. I was hurrying an answer and hit submit instead of preview. So now I have even less time.

Labor and capital are not the same kind of thing. Free labor flows across borders changes the society.

fadetogray on February 2, 2014 at 2:06 PM

Because our side doesn’t have enough money to produce or run these ads. Their side is the unions and the likes of Soros, Zuckerberg and Bloomberg who have determined that they know what is best for you and that you are racist for thinking that laws should not be enforced on a racial sliding scale.
V7_Sport on February 2, 2014 at 2:04 PM

We need to identify and hit up more patriotic billionaires. Anybody know any? This whole thing infuriates me.

bluegill on February 2, 2014 at 2:07 PM

…ensuring that droves of them will sit out the 2014 midterms.

Not necessarily: relying on the substantial GOP edge in the House, TPers can easily vote for the Democratic opponents of the more flagrant RINO House leaders, removing them from office without endangering their majority.

As far as the Senate goes, we can probably resign ourselves to a rubber-spined GOP majority as a first step to using the same tactic to brace them up.

PersonFromPorlock on February 2, 2014 at 2:08 PM

It’s Like They don’t want anything to change….

roflmmfao

donabernathy on February 2, 2014 at 2:08 PM

If Boehner needs to buy a clue, and I think he does, Mark Levin offers some very cogent suggestions as to what the tanned one could do if he hopes to be Speaker for another term….

The House of Representatives should, post-haste, pass a simple but blunt resolution, as follows:

Whereas the President of the United States has exerted executive powers not granted to him under the United States Constitution, the United States House of Representatives hereby asserts, as an equal governing authority, that all such acts by the president are null and void.

The House of Representatives further asserts that no federal department, or official, or federal employee is authorized to appropriate any sum of taxpayer dollars in furtherance of any unconstitutional act by the president.

This would likely provoke open partisan warfare – with the sycophants in the lapdog media calling for the blood of GOP members – but guess what, they do that anyway come election season regardless of what you do. (Just look at what they did to McCain and Romney…)

But our arrogant President has declared war, and the pederast running the Senate invoked the ‘nuclear option’. Politics today isn’t fought using the Marquis of Queensbury rules.

Athos on February 2, 2014 at 2:13 PM

Dr. ZhivBlago on February 2, 2014 at 1:46 PM

Tell you what. Let’s do this. You go build a store. Pay for the utlities, the security, the parking lot, lighting, display cases. then have a policy that your doors must remain open to everyone that wants to sell their products in your store. You have no rights to kick them out. To make them stop selling in your store, You get no beneift from their sells. Infact the sellers use you toliets, eat for free from your food stores and pay nothing. they can undercut your prices, they can sell inferior products all within your store you paid for to build. the companies that supply your products love this policy since it allows them to sell more stuff and maximize their profits. For you on the other hand it means you will get hardly nothing for your sweat and risk.

And if you think that’s a good deal then you are for open borders.

unseen on February 2, 2014 at 2:15 PM

The only reason I can think of is that the Republican leadership believes Obamacare has things in the bag and now it’s time for the Republicans to step up and show that they can be good stewards of government and friends to minorities. As far as grand strategy, that actually makes some sense to me. But strategically in the near-term, as others have mentioned, it is unsound if it puts the midterms in peril.

Scopper on February 2, 2014 at 2:18 PM

Sean Trende of RCP completely nailed this the other day.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2014/01/31/on_immigration_what_are_the_republicans_thinking_121423.html

The GOP are actually scared of winning big in 2014. They’re trying to handicap themselves. Read it and weep.

rrpjr on February 2, 2014 at 2:21 PM

“The Establishment” hands the DNC and the RNC their game plans.

Goal: Keep the Establishment in control.

socalcon on February 2, 2014 at 2:21 PM

Boehner needs to get his head examined.

GarandFan on February 2, 2014 at 1:03 PM

In order to do that, you’d have to extract his head from the a$$es of the Chamber of Commerce bosses. At this point, you’d need the jaws of life because his head is lodged up to their throats.

TxAnn56 on February 2, 2014 at 2:25 PM

I repeat what I said on another thread:

“Immigration reform” is sheer politics to Obama and Democrats, not serious policy. It is the perpetual hot potato they use to whip naive Republicans, as they successfully did in 2005-2006:

December 2005: The Sensenbrenner strict enforcement-only immigration bill was brought to the GOP-controlled House floor with a provision to change the penalty for the first illegal entry into our country from a misdemeanor to a felony. Sensenbrenner had second thoughts (“Why crowd our jails with 12 million illegals – just get them out of here through law enforcement”) and introduced his own amendment to reverse the language and leave the penalty as a misdemeanor.

Guess who voted for misdemeanor and who voted for felony???

Naive Republicans voted on principle 156 to 65 for misdemeanor.

Cunning, calculating, corrupt, Democrats voted 191 to 8 for felony.

The bill thus had the Democrat “poison pill” amendment for the coming demagogue season — the spring of 2006 during the massive illegal alien marches.

In May 2006, Senators Clinton, Kennedy, et al, stood on the Capitol steps and rallied the assembled illegal aliens, La Raza members and assorted open-borders crowd with, “We won’t let the Republicans make you criminals!”

Harry Reid, when questioned about it, said, “You can’t deny it was a Republican House and a Republican bill.”

And now, ever since just 3 weeks (sic!) after the 2012 election, Chuck Schumer started to give political advice to the GOP, and the naive Republican leadership began swallowing it — hook, line, and sinker.

The naive and unprincipled GOP took only 21 days to turn their backs on their campaign promise:

http://www.gop.com/2012-republican-platform_home/

Reforming Government to Serve the People

The Rule of Law: Legal Immigration

“…We recognize that for most of those seeking entry into this country, the lack of respect for the rule of law in their homelands has meant economic exploitation and political oppression by corrupt elites. In this country, the rule of law guarantees equal treatment to every individual, including more than one million immigrants to whom we grant permanent residence every year. That is why we oppose any form of amnesty for those who, by intentionally violating the law, disadvantage those who have obeyed it. Granting amnesty only rewards and encourages more law breaking…”

AND THEY ARE DOING THE WRONG THING FOR THE WRONG REASON!!

They are trying to hold on to political power because Chuck Schumer warned then they would never win another national election unless they try to out-pander the Democrats by offering to REWARD criminals (illegal aliens who committed at least a misdemeanor crime) with their ill-gotten gains (residency in our country)!

And they don’t need to pander:

40% of Hispanics want attrition through enforcement versus only 54% who favor amnesty:

http://www.jmisys.com/immigrationmarches/zogby5.html

Add in the 50% of Democrats and 62% of Republicans and attrition through enforcement is the winning policy — NOT amnesty!!!

fred5678 on February 2, 2014 at 1:21 PM

fred5678 on February 2, 2014 at 2:25 PM

I promised a donation to the RNC back in December…….then I started hearing “leaks” about Boehner and Immigration reform.

I didn’t mail in the donation.

I got calls……..man did I get calls. I told my wife not to answer. I took the call this last week.

I was told the NUMBER ONE conservative issue was ………..and I interrupted…..”no, the number one conservative issue is Boehner working tirelessly for Mexican nationals, and that I wasn’t giving money to the RNC until Boehner started representing Americans….etc…”

After a short silence, the lady mentioned she was in Arizona, and yes…..blah….blah….and we had a nice conversation and a shared #1. She didn’t ask for a donation and was quite agreeable.

I told her I would be giving $$$ to individual candidates of my choice, but not to the RNC.

One voice, one vote, one at a time, the RNC needs to get the message.

JayTee on February 2, 2014 at 2:31 PM

There is essentially a one party system right now, and that’s the problem. The GOP is dead. We need a third party.

KMC1 on February 2, 2014 at 2:42 PM

I’ll take “Circular Firing Squad” for $1000 Alex!

Old Dog on February 2, 2014 at 2:44 PM

socalcon on February 2, 2014 at 2:21 PM

That’s what I’ve been saying. Get rid of Boehner? Identify and hit up more patriotic billionaires? You can spend 10 million dollars on car but if you don’t put an engine in it won’t run. That’s what the republicans are. Same old tired ideas that didn’t work in the first place all meant to keep themselves in power. Time and time again polls have shown that true conservative candidates can win and have won. What does the RNC do? Give us a bunch of “moderate” candidates who have to get poll numbers to decide what to have for breakfast.
Whatever happened to the IRS targeting conservatives? What about Benghazi? If I were suspected of committing a crime and the police had 1/10th of the evidence that we have for these scandals and would have been convicted and be in jail. At least the democrats tell me to my face they don’t like me. That is far more preferential than a “friend” who sticks a knife in back (figuratively).

bandutski on February 2, 2014 at 2:54 PM

Sean Trende of RCP completely nailed this the other day.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2014/01/31/on_immigration_what_are_the_republicans_thinking_121423.html

rrpjr on February 2, 2014 at 2:21 PM

At your link Trende says: “I’ve previously expressed skepticism that the GOP needs to pass immigration legislation to perform better among Hispanics. In fact, I’ve written thousands of words expressing skepticism that the GOP needs to perform much better among Hispanics at all to win elections.”

This may be a politically incorrect point, but for the GOP, it’s the white vote that matters. Little is going to change with the redistribution craving Hispanic numbers, but to enrage the base and anti-amnesty Independents is going to a cause a significant drop in the white vote for the GOP, whether they end up “missing” or vote for the opposition or 3rd parties. If we command 65% of the white vote then we win everywhere, otherwise, not.

So we have to pay attention to what matters, not to what is considered politically correct by the left. Some suggest it’s “big business” that’s driving this apparently suicidal push for amnesty. Maybe partly, but another aspect as hinted by Trende is that there may be a kind of politically correct “guilt” (implanted by the left) that is driving the “leadership” to, like kamikazes, want to overturn the rule of law and give in to the evil forces of political correctness.

anotherJoe on February 2, 2014 at 3:10 PM

Stay away from any issues that aid the Dems.

The demographic terrorism of “Immigration Reform”, etc.

Get back to Benghazi, IRS corruption, the NSA over-reach, Solyndra, Fast and Furious, and the calamity of destructive and COSTLY Obamacaretax.

profitsbeard on February 2, 2014 at 3:11 PM

What I have come to realize is that it is not that Republicans don’t have the courage of their convictions. It’s that they don’t have convictions. And, in the end, it amounts to the same thing.

Nomennovum on February 2, 2014 at 3:15 PM

GOP are a bunch of idiots pure and simple.

Tasha on February 2, 2014 at 3:18 PM

What I have come to realize is that it is not that Republicans don’t have the courage of their convictions. It’s that they don’t have convictions. And, in the end, it amounts to the same thing.

Nomennovum on February 2, 2014 at 3:15 PM

Republicans have convictions. Unfortunately, the GOPe does not, and we let them stay the GOPe instead of unseating them.

I am a reasonable person. I am far from a purist. I voted for both McCain and Romney (I regret the vote for McCain).

I am never going to vote for anyone who votes for anything that looks anything like an amnesty. If a GOPe congresscritter votes for amnesty, I will vote for the Democrat, any Democrat, running against them. I don’t care if the Democrat has horns and a tail.

I want the sell-out scum out of my party. If I have to vote for a Democrat to get the scum out of my party, then so be it.

fadetogray on February 2, 2014 at 3:29 PM

bluegill on February 2, 2014 at 1:59 PM
fadetogray on February 2, 2014 at 2:03 PM
unseen on February 2, 2014 at 2:15 PM

I think you all are making the assumption that what’s good for business is automatically good for America? But at the same time you don’t want businesses to hire whoever they want to work for them?

We can’t have it both ways.

And we certainly aren’t going to, either.

So if the “immigration laws” (whatever those are) are enforced to the T, then companies won’t hire “legals” who will work for far less money than U.S. citizens? And as a bonus maybe vote for the guys that helped get them those jobs?

Interesting.

Dr. ZhivBlago on February 2, 2014 at 3:30 PM

Boehner is no chess playing genius. He simply hates conservatives and loves Chamber of Commerce money.

VorDaj on February 2, 2014 at 3:31 PM

I think you all are making the assumption that what’s good for business is automatically good for America? But at the same time you don’t want businesses to hire whoever they want to work for them?

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Dr. ZhivBlago on February 2, 2014 at 3:30 PM

Your assumptions about my assumptions could not be more wrongheaded. There are limits to what is good for business being good for America, and open borders for the free flow of labor is exactly where you find one of those limits.

You are completely oblivious regarding the consequences of opening the borders to tens of millions of impoverished socialists. It is difficult for me to understand how you rationalize that. Why don’t you try to explain it for us?

Do you believe they are somehow going to magically transform into assimilated lovers of free markets even though we know for an observed fact over the last 50 years that is not what happens?

fadetogray on February 2, 2014 at 3:38 PM

Boehner is no chess playing genius. He simply hates conservatives and loves Chamber of Commerce money.

VorDaj on February 2, 2014 at 3:31 PM

It really is that simple.

fadetogray on February 2, 2014 at 3:38 PM

anotherJoe on February 2, 2014 at 1:22 PM

Except you cannot win without those icky social and religious conservatives. And we know you don’t want to work with them because you spit on them when it comes to your pet issues.

njrob on February 2, 2014 at 3:45 PM

bluegill on February 2, 2014 at 1:41 PM

I assume because the folks behind it are establishment GOP who work on K street. I am so disappointed in Haley Barbour, Dan Senor and various underlings from Bush administrations.

Cindy Munford on February 2, 2014 at 3:51 PM

Andrew McCarthy is full of it:

Republican leadership has decided this is the perfect time to roll out an immigration-reform proposal

Says WHO, exactly? And WHAT is the “proposal,” exactly?

There is no proposal, there is no bill, there have been no hearings, and no hearings are scheduled – call your Congressman, NOW!!!1!1!

“Boehner’s imminent betrayal on amnesty” has become an annual event, like a festival. There should be food and drink and music! The lunatic fringe nuts made this claim in 2011, 2012, and 2013, too, before this year. Reserve the date for 2015!

What have all these cries of “WOLF!” in common? Two things so far: 1) there was no wolf, and 2) the lying freaks who smear Boehner with it do not apologize.

Adjoran on February 2, 2014 at 3:54 PM

Avoiding a bloodbath on the debt ceiling and the budget deal was a big give, but it kept the focus on Obamacare (an issue where Republicans are finally winning and looking to knock several Senate seats back into the red column.)

Jazz, no offense, but it’s pretty clear this line of thought was wrong and was simply advanced to ram the debt ceiling increase through so conservatives wouldn’t complain. The GOP is not interested in advancing conservative goals. They like and support the Obama agenda, and just want to pass it on their terms. This big push for amnesty, when it’s guaranteed to harm them in the 2014 and 2016 elections, should make that abundantly clear.

There’s also an element of “let’s get revenge on the Tea Party” going on here as well.

This should be pounded in but boner is an idiot.

VegasRick on February 2, 2014 at 12:37 PM

The reason Obamacare is not being pounded is because the liberal GOP wing either supports it themselves, or supports it because Hispanics, whose votes they think they can buy, do. The part of the GOP that is stupid enough to believe they can win the Hispanic vote is planning to buy them off with welfare. It’s not going to work, of course, since the Democrats can easily outbid them.

The GOP are actually scared of winning big in 2014. They’re trying to handicap themselves. Read it and weep.

rrpjr on February 2, 2014 at 2:21 PM

I’ve been arguing this for awhile. If the GOP wins big, there will be more Tea Partiers in Congress who will gum up the works and ruin further efforts to pass amnesty. The GOP cannot afford to have five or ten more “Mike Lees” in the Senate or a similar Ted Cruz-like figure appearing in the House. Such figures might wrest power away from Boehner and McConnell.

Additionally, the GOP can also try to blame Obama and Reid if amnesty is passed right now. It’s much harder to do that if they win big majorities in 2014. The GOP needs to get amnesty passed this year or it’s unlikely to happen.

Doomberg on February 2, 2014 at 3:57 PM

Your assumptions about my assumptions could not be more wrongheaded. There are limits to what is good for business being good for America, and open borders for the free flow of labor is exactly where you find one of those limits.

OK.

You are completely oblivious regarding the consequences of opening the borders to tens of millions of impoverished socialists. It is difficult for me to understand how you rationalize that. Why don’t you try to explain it for us?

I believe every foreigner in this country should have documentation that states why they’re here, how long they plan on being here and where they are going. Those who want to work should also have an appropriate green card.

Do you believe they are somehow going to magically transform into assimilated lovers of free markets even though we know for an observed fact over the last 50 years that is not what happens?

fadetogray on February 2, 2014 at 3:38 PM

Some will, but I don’t think most. But the same can be said of Americans as well. It’s all about getting the most out of the U.S. of A that one can, and that’s not the sole realm of foreigners. Who needs free enterprise competition if you have the opportunity to get it by gaming the system with the help of your lawyers and politician buddies, stealing it through various Ponzi schemes, or getting the Gov’t to simply give it to you?

Whatever. Capitalism is dead. And not because it’s inherently evil or anything like that, it’s just that Capitalism has long ago outgrown the need for Free Enterprise. They are not one in the same. And since they’ve been divorced, we’ve seen what has happened economically.

Dr. ZhivBlago on February 2, 2014 at 3:58 PM

Maybe partly, but another aspect as hinted by Trende is that there may be a kind of politically correct “guilt” (implanted by the left) that is driving the “leadership” to, like kamikazes, want to overturn the rule of law and give in to the evil forces of political correctness.

anotherJoe on February 2, 2014 at 3:10 PM

Absolutely right. But don’t forget fear. Fear, fear, fear. It’s the driving force of the GOP.

rrpjr on February 2, 2014 at 3:59 PM

The GOPe is determined to give Obama his second term achievement, the one he has no prayer of garnering for himself.

And this might be a clue as to why that he can’t: Obama Personally Signed EMail Referring To Washington DC As A State

Ladies and Gentlemen, the President of the Untied States… all 57 of them, apparently.

thatsafactjack on February 2, 2014 at 4:06 PM

There is enough law in place to solve the immigration problem. All it lacks is enforcement. Enforcement, however, is something the Liberal Establishment can’t have.

Quartermaster on February 2, 2014 at 4:08 PM

Dealing with the RINO leadership and its lust for wage slaves and the go along with the commie Democrats is just part of the high price of freedom.

Being a conservative in the Republican Party has its cost, we all must accept that as just one more cost we pay to remain free.

Pay up, vote, stay in the game, win.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on February 2, 2014 at 4:11 PM

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