MSNBC postscript: 11% of conservatives and 10% of liberals with adopted or stepchildren live in mixed-race households

posted at 5:21 pm on January 31, 2014 by Allahpundit

Among the 11 percent is tea-party favorite Tim Huelskamp, although as Ace notes, on Twitter that’s only further evidence of Huelskamp’s racism. If you’re into persecuting minorities, there’s no deeper deep cover than adopting kids who are minorities. It just proves how far you’re willing to go for the cause.

This is interesting work by Jim Lindgren but it won’t change a single mind. Republican racism is a “political fact” whether or not it’s an actual one. Coming soon to MSNBC: “Whopping 89 percent of conservatives with step- or adopted kids have no family members from other races.”

Not surprisingly, there is no statistically significant left-right political differences in the proportion of adopted or step-families that are in mixed race households. Indeed, among families with step-children or adopted children, 11 percent of conservatives were living in mixed race households compared to 10 percent of liberals living in mixed-race households.

Similarly, 9.4 percent of Republicans living in step- or adopted families were in mixed-race households, compared to only 8.8 percent of Democrats in such families. (Again, this small advantage for Republicans is not large enough to be statistically significant).

If one breaks things down further by both party and political orientation, only 7.7 percent of liberal Democrats and 3.6 percent of moderate Democrats lived in mixed-race adopted or step-households, compared to an insignificantly different 10.6 percent of conservative Republicans.

I’m trying to guess how this inconvenient actual fact will be spun to reconcile it with the “political fact” mentioned above, assuming Lindgren’s findings aren’t entirely ignored. Figure on some combo of (a) just because 11 percent aren’t opposed to mixed-race families doesn’t mean the other 89 percent aren’t red with rage about it; (b) Democrats are more racially diverse as a party than Republicans and it’s simply not fair to impute bad motives to minority households that lack members of a different race the way it is to kinda sorta impute them to white households; and (c) to the extent card-carrying liberals are shying away from cross-racial adoption, it’s because they want minority children to grow up experiencing their own culture, even if it means experiencing it in an orphanage. The obvious conclusion, that we should probably avoid jumping to partisan conclusions in matters like this, is a nonstarter. I wonder which MSNBC primetime host will seize the bull by the horns in this exciting bit of re-narrativing.

Relatedly, Ace flags this post from Matt Welch wondering why New Yorker writer David Remnick so easily assumes, without offering evidence, that older whites dislike Obama because they “feel threatened, underemployed, overlooked, and disdained in a globalized economy and in an increasingly diverse country.” You’ll recognize that claim, of course, as the bitter-clinger theory of why working-class whites don’t vote liberal, made famous by Obama on the trail in 2008 and reemerging from time to time ever since among other big-name Democrats. Lefties are comfortable dismissing influential Republicans and conservatives as racist because they know they’ll never win their votes and because they know that their targets have the wherewithal to fight back. They take a different approach, necessarily, to the conservative rank-and-file. They can’t dismiss voters whom they hope to attract by calling them names and they can’t, as good class warriors and self-proclaimed egalitarians, fault the hoi polloi for not being as enlightened as a senator or a New Yorker editor. They need an alternate explanation for them voting the wrong way that somehow finds them faultless. Bitter-clinger is the answer, dismissing cultural and policy disagreements as a byproduct of economic hardship which, naturally, only Democratic policies can remedy.


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I’ve been waiting for numbers on this, thanks AP…

OmahaConservative on January 31, 2014 at 5:27 PM

B S !

KOOLAID2 on January 31, 2014 at 5:27 PM

Lots of evangelical families (nominally considered conservative) in my area have mixed race families. Children from Africa, Haiti, and China predominate, probably because local state-run and managed adoption agencies actively discourage mixed race adptions – like AP says, minority children need to experience their own culture, even if it’s from a group home.

jclittlep on January 31, 2014 at 5:30 PM

If you’re into persecuting minorities, there’s no deeper deep cover than adopting kids who are minorities. It just proves how far you’re willing to go for the cause.

That’s so you can persecute minorities in the comfort of your own home. It’s just lazy racism./

Flange on January 31, 2014 at 5:31 PM

…I have a mixed race members in my extended family…and it’s generally 99%… ‘liberals’… who are appalled…when they don’t realize… they have been overheard!

KOOLAID2 on January 31, 2014 at 5:32 PM

…so where are libfreeorgan…noforeskin…va@inaJuice today?…at the adoption agency?

KOOLAID2 on January 31, 2014 at 5:36 PM

Bitter-clinger is the answer

Oh Bitter Clinger? Any relation to you? While you’re here explain to my Asian brother in law why he is a racist. I think its my Sister. Maybe its the two boys.

Bmore on January 31, 2014 at 5:39 PM

Low-IQ Dems in the WaPo Comments show why O’bama lost the college graduate vote in 2012:

Inconveniently the study does not have a section of those republicans who identify as tea partiers.

According to a Gallup Poll 89% of Republicans are white, and 2 % are black. 60% of Democrats are white and 22% are black. You have to ask why. 4 out of 10 Democrats are something other than ‘non-hispanic’ white. Republicans have spent a tremendous about of money and time to make it very hard for blacks to vote. Why? 71% of Republicans identify themselves as conservative, whereas 22% of Democrats identify themselves as conservative.

If you combine these results, it would not be wrong to submit that blacks are more accepting of Democrats and vice versa.

What the groups say and what they do seem to be different. MSNBC should have discussions with their employees regarding tweets, but the tempest here seems to be unsupported by both the facts and the reactions. The Right Wing go ballistic over something relatively minor and those who own and control media outlets start bending over backwards to appease them, thus appearing to approve of the conservative line of false reasoning.

In my opinion, this is a beautiful example of how conservatives and Republicans control behavior by both the media and the public. It’s slick and powerful. But not accurate or truthful.

“IT BURNS!”

Del Dolemonte on January 31, 2014 at 5:40 PM

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/367383/lost-generation-kevin-d-williamson

Liberal “social workers” are also a big barrier to inter-racial adoption. It’s better for a black child to be locked into poverty than have white parents.

gwelf on January 31, 2014 at 5:44 PM

11% of conservatives and 10% of liberals with adopted or stepchildren live in mixed-race households

Such statistics undermine the left and silence the HA trolls. Their strawman is built on the idea that conservatives are as intent on racial purity as the KKK or Nazis. It kills them when somebody they disagree with politically pops up with an Asian or black child. So when Mitt’s new grandson isn’t white… even mixed race MSDNC hosts (who you would think has some sensitivity to the issue) do nothing but mock the idea that there is a black child in the Romney clan. Disgusting.

Happy Nomad on January 31, 2014 at 5:48 PM

…so where are libfreeorgan…noforeskin…va@inaJuice today?…at the adoption agency?

KOOLAID2 on January 31, 2014 at 5:36 PM

Um, I’m pretty sure you can go ahead and spell out vaginajuice.

Lanceman on January 31, 2014 at 5:49 PM

Huh. Maybe not.

Lanceman on January 31, 2014 at 5:49 PM

One adopted child. Half minority.
Dedicated conservative parents.

Tell me, MSNBC: Which half of our beloved child should we disrespect: the white one, or the minority one?

orangemtl on January 31, 2014 at 5:50 PM

I did my part to squash MSNBC with a tweet/picture of my bi-racial family. I would be interested to know what the numbers are for “Tea Partier” families — and if bi-racial families are over or under represented for them (as a percentage) compared to the 10% liberal and 11% conservative figures.

CyberCipher on January 31, 2014 at 5:53 PM

If you’re into persecuting minorities, there’s no deeper deep cover than adopting kids who are minorities.

Ace’s takedown is epic. Liberals are losing their last grip on sanity.

John the Libertarian on January 31, 2014 at 5:57 PM

CyberCipher on January 31, 2014 at 5:53 PM

Good looking family, you are blessed…

OmahaConservative on January 31, 2014 at 5:59 PM

Um, I’m pretty sure you can go ahead and spell out vaginajuice.

Lanceman on January 31, 2014 at 5:49 PM

Huh. Maybe not.

Lanceman on January 31, 2014 at 5:49 PM

…wow!…like shit…it worked!

KOOLAID2 on January 31, 2014 at 5:59 PM

Yeah, but there just doing it to get these people out of the clutched of Al Sharpton,… or something.

WryTrvllr on January 31, 2014 at 6:00 PM

clutches

WryTrvllr on January 31, 2014 at 6:00 PM

I did my part to squash MSNBC with a tweet/picture of my bi-racial family. I would be interested to know what the numbers are for “Tea Partier” families — and if bi-racial families are over or under represented for them (as a percentage) compared to the 10% liberal and 11% conservative figures.

CyberCipher on January 31, 2014 at 5:53 PM

I’d rather MSDNC and the rest of the left just lived up to their purported position that we should live in a colorblind society. It wasn’t FNC that had a tampon-wearing mixed race racist mocking a black child. It wasn’t Rush Limbaugh that was outraged that General Mills had an ad featuring a mixed-race couple.

Happy Nomad on January 31, 2014 at 6:03 PM

I did my part to squash MSNBC with a tweet/picture of my bi-racial family. I would be interested to know what the numbers are for “Tea Partier” families — and if bi-racial families are over or under represented for them (as a percentage) compared to the 10% liberal and 11% conservative figures.

CyberCipher on January 31, 2014 at 5:53 PM

What a beautiful family! But why do we only get to see your collie’s nose?

Maddie on January 31, 2014 at 6:05 PM

I’d rather MSDNC and the rest of the left just lived up to their purported position that we should live in a colorblind society. It wasn’t FNC that had a tampon-wearing mixed race racist mocking a black child. It wasn’t Rush Limbaugh that was outraged that General Mills had an ad featuring a mixed-race couple.

Happy Nomad on January 31, 2014 at 6:03 PM

We’ll have to agree to disagree on this one. I am ecstatic that MSNBC has become the network of race-baiting apologetics. I want them to do it more. And I am hoping that every time they do it, they get even more publicity for it than for their previous incident. Collie, tell everyone why, K?

My collie says:

It’s called authentication. And there is NOTHING that we conservatives could say or do that would more clearly identify the progressives for who they are than these types of incidents. And the more they do it, and the more people that witness it, the better our chances are.

CyberCipher on January 31, 2014 at 6:13 PM

Obama screwed up and ran as a “black” man, when he is actually bi-racial. Maybe it’s harder to community organize or race-monger if you identify as mixed.

Christien on January 31, 2014 at 6:17 PM

…But why do we only get to see your collie’s nose?

Maddie on January 31, 2014 at 6:05 PM

My collie says:

Are you implying that there is something wrong with my nose? CC, what do think? Does that photo make my nose look too big?

Don’t be so sensitive, collie. Your olfactory sense is vastly superior that of a mere human, right? At least, that’s what you keep telling me.

CyberCipher on January 31, 2014 at 6:19 PM

Bitter-clinger is the answer

Oh Bitter Clinger? Any relation to you? While you’re here explain to my Asian brother in law why he is a racist. I think its my Sister. Maybe its the two boys.

Bmore on January 31, 2014 at 5:39 PM

You go away for a bit……..
I wondered why my ears were burning.

I don’t like Obama so I must be racist. Or at least, half-racist.

Bitter Clinger on January 31, 2014 at 6:19 PM

We’ll have to agree to disagree on this one. I am ecstatic that MSNBC has become the network of race-baiting apologetics. I want them to do it more. And I am hoping that every time they do it, they get even more publicity for it than for their previous incident. Collie, tell everyone why, K?

My collie says:

It’s called authentication. And there is NOTHING that we conservatives could say or do that would more clearly identify the progressives for who they are than these types of incidents. And the more they do it, and the more people that witness it, the better our chances are.

CyberCipher on January 31, 2014 at 6:13 PM

Agreed, they’re outing themselves. But if we conservatives want to take advantage of that fact, it has to be in ways other than the RNC calling for a boycott of MSDNC until they apologize for a tweet. In other words, make them into liars when they suggest that the right doesn’t reflect society in general. I’m not entirely sure how we do that.

Happy Nomad on January 31, 2014 at 6:21 PM

The race card took another hit.

CWchangedhisNicagain on January 31, 2014 at 6:24 PM

Obama screwed up and ran as a “black” man, when he is actually bi-racial. Maybe it’s harder to community organize or race-monger if you identify as mixed.

Christien on January 31, 2014 at 6:17 PM

He still refers to himself as a “Black President”, which would imply that his acknowledging 50% of his genetic racial makeup would have resulted in him never being elected Senator, much less President.

His Cultist, MS-LSD’s Melissa Tampon-Earrings, also has a White mother and a Black father. And like O’bama, she calls herself Black, meaning that she considers the race of her mother both inconvenient and irrelevant.

Del Dolemonte on January 31, 2014 at 6:37 PM

The race card took another hit.

CWchangedhisNicagain on January 31, 2014 at 6:24 PM

Which is why the left triple-laminated it.

Happy Nomad on January 31, 2014 at 6:38 PM

He still refers to himself as a “Black President”, which would imply that his acknowledging 50% of his genetic racial makeup would have resulted in him never being elected Senator, much less President.

Del Dolemonte on January 31, 2014 at 6:37 PM

As the left would lecture, it is up to him to identify what aspects of his heritage that he identifys with.

That being said he was raised by his racist grandmother and lived an exclusive life in Hawaii. None of his upbringing or life experience equates to having been raised as a black child (or typical American).

Happy Nomad on January 31, 2014 at 6:41 PM

Del Dolemonte on January 31, 2014 at 6:37 PM

And BTW- Let’s not forget the outrage from the race industry when Theresa Heinz Kerry described herself as an African-American. She is!

Were a conservative of mixed race describe themselves as black, the response would be entirely different.

Happy Nomad on January 31, 2014 at 6:44 PM

What does race” mean, anyway? Does it mean subspecies? I read a while ago in Nat’l Geo. that Brazil had somethng like 147 official (government-mandated) races. And that two parents could easily have four children of four different races.

If you walk, or sail, around the world, you see a gradual change from ethinic appearance to ethic appearance without concrete borders from one “race” to another; for example, from the Caucasus to India, to Mongolia to China.

When you are 1/8th white, 1/8th East Indian, 1/8 Eastern European Jew, 1/4 Chinese and 3/8 African, what race are you supposed to be? What race do you out on your driver’s license? What interest group must you support? What race do you put on your census form? On your admissions application? And where’s the science? Does anyone really believe that African Egyptians are racially different from Asian Palestinians?

And who cares? And why do they care?

Liberals care. It’s how they know the content of your character.

flicker on January 31, 2014 at 6:47 PM

Del Dolemonte on January 31, 2014 at 6:37 PM

You’re right, and frankly it’s pretty sad they do that. That’s their own flesh and blood they are downplaying. They choose either/or, rather than both/and.

Christien on January 31, 2014 at 6:48 PM

I’ll say it again: There is far greater genetic variation between men and women than between races.

flicker on January 31, 2014 at 6:50 PM

Del Dolemonte on January 31, 2014 at 6:37 PM

As the left would lecture, it is up to him to identify what aspects of his heritage that he identifys with.

That being said he was raised by his racist grandmother and lived an exclusive life in Hawaii. None of his upbringing or life experience equates to having been raised as a black child (or typical American).

Happy Nomad on January 31, 2014 at 6:41 PM

Supposedly his grandma was even loonier to the Left than her daughter. And they both came from Flyover Country, which his Cultists also ignore.

White his Cultists don’t realize is that when he was growing up in Hawai’i in the 1960s and 1970s, whites were also in the minority there.

Del Dolemonte on January 31, 2014 at 6:56 PM

I’m still puzzling over this story. Why are “mixed race” families only counted if they are step-families, or adopted families.

We have a mixed race family, and we did it the old-fashioned way. We made babies.

Sort of like Obama’s family, except with a lot more stability….

notropis on January 31, 2014 at 7:00 PM

The left relies on false accusations. Generally accusing their opponent of what they are doing. There is a reason that the bible condemns bearing false witness and there is a reason the left wants to remove God.

Grunt on January 31, 2014 at 7:12 PM

White his Cultists don’t realize is that when he was growing up in Hawai’i in the 1960s and 1970s, whites were also in the minority there.

Del Dolemonte on January 31, 2014 at 6:56 PM

Even more to my point! Obama may identify as black but nothing about his experience is the black experience. I would add that his worthless brats probably also identify as black even as they are raised as part of the .05%

Happy Nomad on January 31, 2014 at 7:17 PM

I’m still puzzling over this story. Why are “mixed race” families only counted if they are step-families, or adopted families.

We have a mixed race family, and we did it the old-fashioned way. We made babies.

Sort of like Obama’s family, except with a lot more stability….

notropis on January 31, 2014 at 7:00 PM

That’s an excellent and interesting question, notropis. I’d be very interested in seeing the statistics broken down by political affiliation for families who ‘did it the old fashioned way’, too. :)

thatsafactjack on January 31, 2014 at 7:20 PM

I’m still puzzling over this story. Why are “mixed race” families only counted if they are step-families, or adopted families.

We have a mixed race family, and we did it the old-fashioned way. We made babies.

Sort of like Obama’s family, except with a lot more stability….

notropis on January 31, 2014 at 7:00 PM

Well then, you didn’t have to put in any extra work to become mixed race, it just came naturally! ;0

I jest but I suspect there is some truth in my comment too. Some mixed race families are easier to document than others. I work with five different people who married Asian wives. I don’t know how they identify their kids (or how the older ones identify themselves). It’s probably easier to find the adopted families and step-families if adoption is involved.

Happy Nomad on January 31, 2014 at 7:24 PM

That being said he was raised by his racist grandmother and lived an exclusive life in Hawaii. None of his upbringing or life experience equates to having been raised as a black child (or typical American).

Happy Nomad on January 31, 2014 at 6:41 PM

Raised by his white 1/2 of the family and abandoned by his black 1/2.

docflash on January 31, 2014 at 7:26 PM

You’ll never hear that stat on the MSM.

The race baiters remind me of a high school friend who is always whaling on Tea Partiers / Conservatives for being racist. I did a quick scan of his Facebook friends and noted that he had zero blacks. Zero. (Unless you count the black lab that someone used as their profile picture.) But I, the “racist,” had over a dozen. Just covering my tracks like those people who adopt kids of another race!

eMatters on January 31, 2014 at 7:48 PM

that older whites dislike Obama because they “feel threatened, underemployed, overlooked, and disdained in a globalized economy and in an increasingly diverse country.”

Lol :) this coming from an admin that is basically against free trade, see our current oil and gas policies…and it’s the older white males who feel ‘threatened’ in a globalized economy lol :)… Comedy gold :)…the ones who are indeed overlooked and who should actually feel threatened are the young graduates, but they are too stupid to actually grasp the enormity of their current situation, both long and short-term, and to put the blame squarely on Obama and his admin/the Dems, and therefore to try to change their plight….they seem to be quite content with the basement dwelling situation at the moment…

jimver on January 31, 2014 at 7:56 PM

I’ve noticed that the conservatives I talk to who make racist comments or have problems with interracial relationships are ex-leftists who have grown a little conservative (fiscally primarily) with age. Their racism seems to be a vestige of their previous ideology.

warden on January 31, 2014 at 7:58 PM

That being said he was raised by his racist grandmother and lived an exclusive life in Hawaii. None of his upbringing or life experience equates to having been raised as a black child (or typical American).

Happy Nomad on January 31, 2014 at 6:41 PM

Raised by his white 1/2 of the family and abandoned by his black 1/2.

docflash on January 31, 2014 at 7:26 PM

Thread winners.

jimver on January 31, 2014 at 7:58 PM

I can understand the thinking that older folks might be the ones that don’t like Obama. It has been my experience that a fair number of older (taking into consideration that I’m 60) have not evolved on racial issues. Now these same said people will still vote Democrat because their families have always voted Democrat. I’ve had some jaw dropping conversations with some of these folks.

Cindy Munford on January 31, 2014 at 8:27 PM

If you’re into persecuting minorities, there’s no deeper deep cover than adopting kids who are minorities. It just proves how far you’re willing to go for the cause.

That’s so you can persecute minorities in the comfort of your own home. It’s just lazy racism./

Flange on January 31, 2014 at 5:31 PM

You should work for MSNBC!

Just kidding, of course. I wouldn’t want to wish that on anyone.

There Goes the Neighborhood on January 31, 2014 at 8:48 PM

“But they really, really hate them and only adopted them for the cheap labor!”

JohnBrown on January 31, 2014 at 9:02 PM

But I, the “racist,” had over a dozen. Just covering my tracks like those people who adopt kids of another race!

eMatters on January 31, 2014 at 7:48 PM

You wily old racist, you. ;-)

Solaratov on January 31, 2014 at 9:07 PM

I’m still puzzling over this story. Why are “mixed race” families only counted if they are step-families, or adopted families.

We have a mixed race family, and we did it the old-fashioned way. We made babies.

Sort of like Obama’s family, except with a lot more stability….

notropis on January 31, 2014 at 7:00 PM

Maybe if all mixed-race families were counted, the percentages of conservatives would increase & liberals decrease, making them look bad.

I’m White & my asawa (wife) is Filipina.
But I guess we don’t count.

itsnotaboutme on February 1, 2014 at 3:38 AM

Look within yourselves.

The answer is (d), The item will not be discussed. It will fall on FNC to discuss it. They will perhaps over-discuss it. In other forums, mention of the item will be blocked and derogated ascending the following hierarchy:

Irrelevant, Meaningless, Inappropriate, Faux Pas, Passively/Implicitly Racist, Strange, Ideological, Conspiracy Theory, Creepy, Overtly Racist, Militant, Incitement, Beyond the Pale, Criminal/Domestic Terrorist

eh on February 1, 2014 at 3:43 AM

I’m a Tea Partier, and we are adopting a young lady from Uganda.

Data point, worth the pixels it’s written in! :-)

nukemhill on February 1, 2014 at 9:57 AM

And BTW- Let’s not forget the outrage from the race industry when Theresa Heinz Kerry described herself as an African-American. She is!

Happy Nomad on January 31, 2014 at 6:44 PM

2004 thread from Democrat Underground.

Is Teresa Kerry African-American?

Some of the Dim DU responses:

I’m sure Teresa Kerry considers herself white

but if every white person from Africa would like to check African American on the census it can only add to our numbers.

Republicans will try to convince bigots that she is.

And the thread winner:

I thought she was french

Heinz? Sounds french to me.

Del Dolemonte on February 1, 2014 at 12:37 PM

Sowhy are 90%+ of the commercials that I see on TV trying to convince me that the only normal is bi-racial or off-kilter sexual deviants?

gepaza on February 1, 2014 at 6:13 PM