Boehner to GOP caucus: I’m not committed to moving forward on immigration

posted at 11:21 am on January 31, 2014 by Allahpundit

A scoop from Jonathan Strong about the mood inside yesterday’s big immigration-reform rollout.

But if the public rollout of the document seemed like an announcement, the feeling inside the room was much more tentative. Speaker John Boehner, in particular, surprised many in the audience with his tepid words on behalf of moving forward.

“He seemed timid or reluctant to suggest that this was anything but a discusssion,” Rep. John Fleming (R-LA) told Breitbart News. “He even said, he made the statement—which I found surprising — that he is not commited to moving forward on any legislation. He wasn’t trying to sell us on this, I don’t think. He was saying the words but it didn’t seem to be coming from his heart.”

Baffling. He waffled last year on immigration reform, then finally mustered the courage to push it front and center this month — in an election year, no less — and now he’s waffling again. The fight to pass something will be wrenching, no matter when it happens and how solicitous Boehner’s language is. Essentially, he’s rolled a grenade into the Republican tent but left the pin in, leaving it up to the caucus to decide whether to pull it. If you’re going to use a grenade, full commitment is part of the deal, no?

Now, question: Would passing reform next year become impossible if the Republicans pick up seats in the midterms, as everyone expects? I argued yesterday that it’ll be harder because grassroots righties will expect a GOP-controlled Congress to produce a much tougher bill than they could reasonably expect to produce now. Matt Lewis counters that I’m missing the point — if the GOP takes back the Senate, grassroots righties will expect them to stay away from immigration entirely, reasoning that if inaction on the matter was no obstacle to a big win in the midterms, it’ll be no obstacle to a big win in 2016 either. True enough, some tea partiers would react that way. My sense, though, is that the rest of the GOP simply Will – Not – Tolerate another presidential election where the Republican nominee has nothing conciliatory to show Latino voters. It may be a myth that Romney lost in 2012 because he got walloped by Obama among that group, but it’s no myth that as the Latino population grows and turnout rates improve, a 72/27 Democratic advantage would be ruinous for the GOP long-term. The core question here has always been whether amnesty is the key to winning back some of those voters, either as a “magic bullet” (even McCain admits it won’t win any votes by itself) or as a sort of threshold issue on which the GOP needs to show compromise so that Latinos will give the rest of their agenda a fair look. Wherever you land on that subject, I think large numbers of centrist/establishment Republicans believe immigration reform is an absolute prerequisite to rebuilding goodwill with Latinos. And I think they’re secretly optimistic that passing amnesty would be a bit of a magic bullet with Latinos as soon as 2016, not enough to cut deeply into the Democratic advantage but maybe enough to trim five points, which could be crucial in a tight election.

So no, I don’t agree with Lewis that a redder Congress would mean doom for reform in 2015 as border hawks shift to an “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” approach to the GOP’s chances in 2016. We already have painful experience with the reality that midterm results and presidential results are very different creatures. No matter how well Republicans do this year, it won’t be as well as they did in 2010, and 2010 ended up being no impediment to an Obama landslide in 2012. Many, many more Democrats, especially minority Democrats, will be at the polls two and a half years from now to decide who wins the White House than will be at the polls this fall to decide who holds Congress. Even tea partiers who prefer the status quo on immigration should realize that. (Some do. Rand Paul, who’ll position himself as Mr. Tea Party in the election if Cruz doesn’t run, is himself open to forms of legalization if the border is secured.) And speaking of which, why would anyone want the status quo? At the very least, Boehner and McConnell should be expected to pass a serious border security measure next year, if only to dare Obama to veto it. If border security passes, though, Democrats’ new message will be that Republicans are actually becoming more hardline against illegal immigration at a time when polls show the public is willing to allow citizenship eventually for illegals who are already here. What do Boehner and McConnell do then? A limited DREAM-type amnesty? Full legalization contingent upon measurable improvements in border security? Tea partiers may howl, but tea partiers aren’t the whole party; other Republicans will be howling for different reasons. So this brings us back to yesterday’s question: If you’re going to tackle immigration and you know that you’ll have to include some type of legalization for at least some subgroup of illegals, when is/was the best time to do it? Early last year, when House GOPers who voted yes might face a primary this year because of it? Later this year, after the primaries have passed but before the all-important midterm election? Early next year, when they’ll have a redder Congress but might figure that Republican voters will forgive them by the time the 2016 election rolls around?

I’ll leave you with Sean Trende’s theory for why Boehner thinks now is the moment:

If a fight is inevitable, have it now rather than a much messier one in 2015. Maybe the Senate Democrats won’t be able to swallow a bill with tougher enforcement provisions and without a path to citizenship, and they will own part of the death of immigration reform. Or maybe they’ll pass it, and the issue will be partly cleared off the table for an election year. For an establishment Republican, that’s win-win…

What I am saying is that they [the GOP leadership] are closer to neutral about big [midterm] gains than we might think, given the problems that the surge in base enthusiasm caused for them after the 2010 elections. So if they check agenda items like this off the list now and still get a landslide, great. But if they end up cooling off the base’s enthusiasm and get a narrow, establishment-based Senate majority and keep the House, well, that’s not the end of the world either. In fact, it would mean a more docile caucus in both Houses, which is good for those who run those Houses.

If they pass amnesty this summer and Republican voters protest by staying home in November, fine. That means fewer tea partiers end up in Congress next year, which Boehner can live with. If they don’t pass it and Republican voters turn out in force, painting Congress red, that’s fine too. A bigger majority also has certain advantages. There are upsides and downsides to either outcome for Boehner so, he probably figures, why not make his move now?


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Boehner isn’t going to commit to anything until Polling data is ready.

These squishy GOP types are political windsocks.

Sad to say, Nancy Pelosi’s speakership was more successful than this guys will EVER be.

portlandon on January 31, 2014 at 11:24 AM

Now, question: Would passing reform next year become impossible if the Republicans pick up seats in the midterms, as everyone expects? I argued yesterday that it’ll be harder because grassroots righties will expect a GOP-controlled Congress to produce a much tougher bill than they could reasonably expect to produce now.

Not really. It’s quite simple. Bury immigration this year. Retake the Senate. Pass a border security bill(a real one, not a symbolical one) next year. Send it to Obama’s desk. He inevitably vetoes it. Then run on that in 2016. What is Hillary(or any other Democrat) going to say? They won’t agree to secure the border unless legalization and/or citizenship is included? Think that’ll go over well with anyone but diehard Democrat loyalists? Yeah, me neither.

Doughboy on January 31, 2014 at 11:25 AM

Contemptible. We need a new Speaker.

Valkyriepundit on January 31, 2014 at 11:27 AM

Pushing it to the forefront is- as Ted Cruz said- the way to assure the GOP does NOT take the Senate. Even DISCUSSING it as a top priority now:
1) Energizes the Hispanic democrat voters to turn out- when they have little motivation otherwise to support the Party of Economic Disaster.
2) Demoralizes the GOP base, who see it- correctly- as pandering to voters by conceding the Rule of Law.
3) It take the topic of Obamacare, the continually disastrous economy, and the joblessness.

The Dems are FEEDING you this, you DC morons! Quit working so hard on LOSING!

michaelo on January 31, 2014 at 11:28 AM

Make this go viral once again.

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/02/09/i-have-a-plan-to-destroy-america-by-richard-d-lamm/

Meat Fighter on January 31, 2014 at 11:28 AM

Talk about an incompetent boob who has no reason to be in a leadership position. Go away Le Grande Orange, you aren’t needed.

Flange on January 31, 2014 at 11:29 AM

I’m a girl and I have a pair bigger than Boehner.

gophergirl on January 31, 2014 at 11:30 AM

So you are not committed to kowtowing to the big money establishment GOPers and killing the rest of the GOP right now huh?

melle1228 on January 31, 2014 at 11:31 AM

If they pass amnesty this summer and Republican voters protest by staying home in November, fine. That means fewer tea partiers end up in Congress next year, which Boehner can live with.

I sincerely hope that’s just spitballing and Boehner doesn’t really think this. What the hell kind of political party is ok with having a smaller number of seats in Congress just so their caucus is easier to control? And there is another possible outcome there, Johnny. You ram through amnesty, Republican voters protest by staying home, you fail to retake the Senate AND lose the House, and are relegated to permanent minority status. Sure, that might mean fewer Tea Partiers in Congress. It also means far fewer Republicans….forever.

Doughboy on January 31, 2014 at 11:31 AM

Boehner is playing positions very, very badly.

Maybe he’s engaged in high-order intrigue politically with others among the GOP and I venture to guess also among the DNC, but, for whatever he’s up to, it’s going very, very badly.

Making a mess, however one looks at it.

Lourdes on January 31, 2014 at 11:32 AM

Not really. It’s quite simple. Bury immigration this year. Retake the Senate. Pass a border security bill(a real one, not a symbolical one) next year. Send it to Obama’s desk. He inevitably vetoes it. Then run on that in 2016. What is Hillary(or any other Democrat) going to say? They won’t agree to secure the border unless legalization and/or citizenship is included? Think that’ll go over well with anyone but diehard Democrat loyalists? Yeah, me neither.

Doughboy on January 31, 2014 at 11:25 AM

This is spot on.

Throat Wobbler Mangrove on January 31, 2014 at 11:33 AM

No sooner did Senator Jeff Sessions deliver his Immigration Memo to House Republicans https://t.co/FirqTCUMLm than the irky, troubled Zuckerberg smears “anti-immigration groups” as “shocking extremists”…

http://dailycaller.com/2014/01/31/zuckerberg-group-distributes-memo-on-the-shocking-extremism-behind-anti-immigrant-groups/

Lourdes on January 31, 2014 at 11:33 AM

If they work toward amnesty they shouldn’t count on the TP people staying home. We’re mad as hell and not going to take it anymore. I wish they would stop playing their games and act like they care for the people of this country.

Kissmygrits on January 31, 2014 at 11:33 AM

Sorry, navel-gazing about motives doesn’t help on this one.

Obama and the Democrats are already agreeing to the invisible Republican plan. Paul Ryan has been actively selling the invisible Republican plan. Reince Priebus is saying that this IS the time for Republicans to do something BIG on immigration. The Chamber of Commerce is touting that the immigration deal will be done this year.

It’s hard to believe, but nearly impossible to deny that the House “leadership” is OK with the idea of “pass amnesty this summer and Republican voters protest by staying home in November, FINE”

pilsener on January 31, 2014 at 11:34 AM

True enough, some tea partiers would react that way. My sense, though, is that the rest of the GOP simply Will – Not – Tolerate another presidential election where the Republican nominee has nothing conciliatory to show Latino voters.

Conciliatory? You mean like hand all election victories and power over to the Dems in perpetuity?

Will all due respect, AP: you and others this naïve are simly delusional and are going to permanently destroy the country (sooner rather than later, since that’s inevitable anyway) …

ShainS on January 31, 2014 at 11:34 AM

Your only commitment is to getting Harry Reid out of power.

John the Libertarian on January 31, 2014 at 11:34 AM

Boehner to GOP caucus: I’m not committed to moving forward on immigration

I’m committed to moving forward on your (forced) emigration.

Dirtbag, lowlife crybaby.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 31, 2014 at 11:34 AM

Yeah, it’s quite a problem for Boehner. Does he destroy the Republican Party and go a long ways in destroying the country now – or does he do it later?

TarheelBen on January 31, 2014 at 11:36 AM

The sub-heading to this story should be: Waffle House

RedManBlueState on January 31, 2014 at 11:38 AM

Most of this is nonsense.

Whether they pass an amnesty or not, Hispanic voters aren’t going to back the GOP. The question of amnesty has nothing to do with it–many of the people coming across the border illegally are strong leftists. They aren’t going to vote for a Republican unless that Republican advocates progressive policies.

So it won’t help them this year, or in years down the road. If the base stays home in November, the GOP won’t take the Senate, and they’ll lose seats in the house. They might lose the house. Then we’ll be well on our way to a green energy depression and single payer health care.

As for presidential elections, it might help to nominate a strong conservative candidate. McCain and Romney were both horrible, and neither made any kind of real attempt to win the election. Again, nothing to do with Hispanics, we just keep nominating horrible, squishy candidates. These guys didn’t lose because they couldn’t reach minorities. They lost because the base didn’t support them.

There’s NO REASON for amnesty. None. The idea that “you’re going to have to do it eventually so why not now?” is just stupid. Secure the border. Institute and require e-verify. End chain migration. Then, and only then, you can talk about amnesty. Maybe.

PetecminMd on January 31, 2014 at 11:39 AM

The sub-heading to this story should be: Waffle House

RedManBlueState on January 31, 2014 at 11:38 AM

I prefer “Douchebag Emporium”.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 31, 2014 at 11:39 AM

How about politicians be held responsible to and accountable for the positions, policies upon which they’re elected?

Campaign on “no amnesty” but after being elected, go all in for amnesty? What about that could any voter find an indication of good character?

I’m immensely disappointed in Ryan and Boehner. At a time when we need strong leadership from the Right, they show up with strong leadership for the Left.

Lourdes on January 31, 2014 at 11:39 AM

Boehner to GOP caucus: I’m not committed to moving forward on immigration

You Lie!

Mimzey on January 31, 2014 at 11:39 AM

Mark this down – if amnesty passes, and the ins. companies get bailed out over obama’care’, Nancy Pelosi will deserve the hammer back, on Jan. 2015.

Tucker Carlson “all want amnesty, except not the middle class in America, the over-abundantly out of jobs people”…paraphrased from this morning on Faux.

obama, Pelosi, Boehner and Cantor, Ryan, they hate the middle class, the American legal workers, blue/white colors, their children, and they disrespect all legal immigrants.

Go to Hell, all of you traitors. Pass it and go home. YOU don’t deserve to even be in the minority. YOU deserve oblivion, you charlatans.

Schadenfreude on January 31, 2014 at 11:39 AM

A scoop from Jonathan Strong about the mood inside yesterday’s big immigration-reform rollout.

I’ve got news for you Bonehead, if you think the mood INSIDE your little confab was bad I’ll bet you are in for a BIG SURPRISE when you get back and see all the emails and phone messages from not only your Ohio constuents but Americans from all over the country. I for one expounded on the theme of what the heck are you doing? It took me quite a while to get through because the phone lines were that busy. I didn’t get a human but left a voice message.

Stupidity thy name is RINO!

neyney on January 31, 2014 at 11:40 AM

The Party of Stupid (POS) is on the verge of a Charlie Brown-Lucy-Football moment.

Obamacare is killing the Donks. So what do the Ruling Class geniuses at the POS decide?

Hey, let’s toss everything away so the Donk Ruling Class will make nice with us at Capitol City cocktail parties.

If the goal is to get me to stay home in November, well, it’s working.

Bruno Strozek on January 31, 2014 at 11:41 AM

http://gurrforcongress.com/

7182 Liberty Centre Ct. Suite O, West Chester, Ohio 45069

Eric Gurr is opposed to Amnesty and believes we need to secure our borders.

traye on January 31, 2014 at 11:42 AM

My thingie, er pen, is not as big as I told you in the SOTU” — pajama-obama

…not what Pelosi said yesterday “NO amnesty bill without going all the way”.

Schadenfreude on January 31, 2014 at 11:44 AM

Boehner isn’t going to commit to anything until Polling data is ready.

These squishy GOP types are political windsocks.

Really? Seems to me the leadership has been spitting in the face of their base for some time now.

It’s big-bundler money, not polling.

Bat Chain Puller on January 31, 2014 at 11:45 AM

There is one other reason why Republicans may be acting strangely as we head into what should be another astounding GOP midterm victory: They may not want to take the Senate.

Consider the situation they would find themselves in: In control of Congress, they would have to act on promoting the conservative agenda, and that would mean actually having to stop Mr. Obama. Why else, when the truth of the liberal agenda and its failures are handing a November victory to the GOP, would their pet project for the year suddenly be immigration reform?

Perhaps the current GOP leadership prefers things as they are: not enough power to do anything conservative of consequence, while watching (and applauding as House Majority Leader Eric Cantor did during the State of the Union) the liberal agenda, including de facto amnesty, become the law of the land.

Fallon on January 31, 2014 at 11:45 AM

I’m immensely disappointed in Ryan and Boehner. At a time when we need strong leadership from the Right, they show up with strong leadership for the Left.

Lourdes on January 31, 2014 at 11:39 AM

Don’t ever forget traitor Rubio!!!

Schadenfreude on January 31, 2014 at 11:45 AM

…and that scumhag Ayotte.

Schadenfreude on January 31, 2014 at 11:46 AM

He has to be the biggest laughing stock in the history of congress. No spine what so ever. He couldn’t make a decision if his life depended on it. Along with the rest of the leadership of the GOP. Less than 12 hrs from the great announcement of amnesty on principal. Reminds me of the old ad “This is your brain on drugs.” With the frying eggs.

CW20 on January 31, 2014 at 11:46 AM

ShainS on January 31, 2014 at 11:34 AM

…you are really missed in the basement you know?…poor Fallon has had to take over the top ten song breakdowns…in your absence!
…I miss…your humour…and wisdom!

KOOLAID2 on January 31, 2014 at 11:47 AM

Really? Seems to me the leadership has been spitting in the face of their base for some time now.

It’s big-bundler money, not polling.

Bat Chain Puller on January 31, 2014 at 11:45 AM

Hawkdriver! Calling Hawkdriver! Gryph-Sockpuppet alert! Alert!! ALERT!!!

gryphon202 on January 31, 2014 at 11:47 AM

Now, question: Would passing reform next year become impossible if the Republicans pick up seats in the midterms, as everyone expects? I argued yesterday that it’ll be harder because grassroots righties will expect a GOP-controlled Congress to produce a much tougher bill than they could reasonably expect to produce now.

The new seats will enhance the TEA party. I like the squeeze the bastids are in.

They all deserve to be pitchforked, politically, in November of 2014.

Schadenfreude on January 31, 2014 at 11:48 AM

Sombreros for everyone!!

ToddPA on January 31, 2014 at 11:48 AM

If they pass amnesty this summer and Republican voters protest by staying home in November, fine. That means fewer tea partiers end up in Congress next year, which Boehner can live with. If they don’t pass it and Republican voters turn out in force, painting Congress red, that’s fine too. A bigger majority also has certain advantages. There are upsides and downsides to either outcome for Boehner so, he probably figures, why not make his move now?

? no – passing any kind of reform in which “conservative” voters stay home is not fine…..
If fewer Tea Partiers end up in Congress then the democrats have won.

It’s time for bold action against Obama and his socialists. That means saying no and getting the conservative voters to come back.

What would be fine is 11 million less democratic votes in 2016.

redguy on January 31, 2014 at 11:49 AM

Boehner waffling is just a lie. Remember, he has caved literally every time against anything the Democrats wanted. And every cave it has been by him and about 40 minions voting with Nancy Pelosi’s Democrats to defeat the rest of the Majority Republican Caucus. If Nancy Pelosi is the Minority Leader, Boehner is the Minority Whip lining up just enough votes for the Democrats to win. He is working for the other side, or rather there is no difference between the Institutional Republicans and the Democrats.

Subotai Bahadur on January 31, 2014 at 11:52 AM

I’m immensely disappointed in Ryan and Boehner. At a time when we need strong leadership from the Right, they show up with strong leadership for the Left.

Lourdes on January 31, 2014 at 11:39 AM

Don’t ever forget traitor Rubio!!!

Schadenfreude on January 31, 2014 at 11:45 AM

Yes, have not overlooked him.

It’s disturbing, to put it mildly, that Rubio would be saying one thing to English-speaking audiences and the opposite to Spanish-speaking audiences (before which he promotes amnesty).

Enough of these charlatans. Just enough of them, over and out.

Lourdes on January 31, 2014 at 11:52 AM

to ShainS:

Listen to Thursday’s Mark Levin show, Levin went through the percentage of Hispanic votes that the Republican candidate received in each Presidential election since 1972. The percentages haven’t changed.

Even after Reagan signed the Simpson-Mazzoli amnesty bill, the percentages didn’t change. John McCain did not receive a higher percentage of Hispanic votes even though he supported amnesty.

There is ZERO reason to believe that another amnesty bill will cause Hispanics to support Republicans voting patterns. There is every reason to believe that an amnesty bill will create more Democratic voters.

pilsener on January 31, 2014 at 11:52 AM

I keep getting that mental memory of a photo showing McCain on that sofa with Nancy Pelosi, and earlier with his gleeful pal Hillary…

Lourdes on January 31, 2014 at 11:53 AM

He can talk all the trash he wants on immigration, just don’t bring it to the floor.

Actions will speak louder than words.

Tater Salad on January 31, 2014 at 11:53 AM

There is one other reason why Republicans may be acting strangely as we head into what should be another astounding GOP midterm victory: They may not want to take the Senate.

Consider the situation they would find themselves in: In control of Congress, they would have to act on promoting the conservative agenda, and that would mean actually having to stop Mr. Obama. Why else, when the truth of the liberal agenda and its failures are handing a November victory to the GOP, would their pet project for the year suddenly be immigration reform?

Perhaps the current GOP leadership prefers things as they are: not enough power to do anything conservative of consequence, while watching (and applauding as House Majority Leader Eric Cantor did during the State of the Union) the liberal agenda, including de facto amnesty, become the law of the land.

Fallon on January 31, 2014 at 11:45 AM

That’s similar to a theory Rush has floated for years. That there’s a sizable bloc of Republicans in Congress who like being in the minority as it means they have no real responsibility for governing. It’s conceivable, but it’s also incredibly naive. Eventually if your party keeps losing elections in which they should be cleaning up, your base will abandon you and start to look elsewhere. Yes, even to a third party.

Plus unless the Republican Party is filled with people who are borderline Marxists, they cannot be comfortable with what’s going on in this country. This isn’t the Democrat Party of the latter half of the 20th century we’re talking about here. These are radicals who seem hellbent on creating a total welfare and police state.

Doughboy on January 31, 2014 at 11:54 AM

Sombreros for everyone!!

ToddPA on January 31, 2014 at 11:48 AM

No way. I’m more afraid of the illegal Canadians.

Tooks for Everyone!

portlandon on January 31, 2014 at 11:54 AM

True enough, some tea partiers would react that way. My sense, though, is that the rest of the GOP simply Will – Not – Tolerate another presidential election where the Republican nominee has nothing conciliatory to show Latino voters.

Your split is wrong. It’s not ‘some tea partiers’ vs ‘the rest of the GOP’….it’s ‘some of the No Labels fringe’ vs ‘the GOP base including the tea party’.

ElectricPhase on January 31, 2014 at 11:54 AM

So, Sean Trende thinks the GOP prefers Democrats over Tea Partiers? Sounds about right.

besser tot als rot on January 31, 2014 at 11:55 AM

There is ZERO reason to believe that another amnesty bill will cause Hispanics to support Republicans voting patterns. There is every reason to believe that an amnesty bill will create more Democratic voters.

pilsener on January 31, 2014 at 11:52 AM

Same with Asians…

I’m not a big Coulter fan but her recent column echoes many of the points I’ve made over the years about these “immigrant” populations, from whence most illegal immigration occurs and who promote amnesty, mostly always on the basis of their ethnicities.

GOP CRAFTS PLAN TO WRECK THE COUNTRY, LOSE VOTERS

January 29, 2014

Lourdes on January 31, 2014 at 11:56 AM

It may be a myth that Romney lost in 2012 because he got walloped by Obama among that group, but it’s no myth that as the Latino population grows and turnout rates improve, a 72/27 Democratic advantage would be ruinous for the GOP long-term.

It is sophistic, insulting and quite frankly a premise I wholly reject to state that resolving “illegal immigration” or immigration in general will improve Republicans standing with Latino’s. In fact it is a strawman that should be hit with a flamethrower every time someone stands it up.

If you’ve read the research, than you will know the current group of immigrants, including many Asians, have brought with them a leftist-socialist ideology. The fact that someone, anyone, believes simply bringing more of them into the country will change that mindset is simply stunning and contra-intellectual.

As a country we’ve largely given up on assimilating people into our culture. Yes, hard to believe that America has her own culture. But the truth is it’s responsible for our prosperity, way of life and standing in the world.

Conversely- is anyone much better off given the last six years of socialist ideology? Our standing in the world- has anyone seen it. It seems to be lost.

If you can’t make this case, you don’t belong anywhere near our government or a position of responsibility.

So conclusively we would be better educating immigrants (and perhaps a large swath of the American public) on that and how we, Republicans, can help them obtain a better future for their families.

That would be as opposed to plying them with insulting, patronizing and destructive pathways that do nothing but build dependency and guarantee their lives will consist of relying on someone else for their every need.

Marcus Traianus on January 31, 2014 at 11:56 AM

So, Sean Trende thinks the GOP prefers Democrats over Tea Partiers? Sounds about right.

besser tot als rot on January 31, 2014 at 11:55 AM

It’s sure looking that way.

Remember McCain: “you have nothing to fear from an Obama Presidency.”

And how he’s best pals with Hillary and earlier, Teddy Kennedy? In agreement with them “on all the issues…”

Lourdes on January 31, 2014 at 11:57 AM

YOU LIE!

Oust Boehner NOW!

While we’re at it, oust McConnell, Cantor, Priebus and every other Repuke that back Obamnesty as well.

Meople on January 31, 2014 at 11:58 AM

I’d note that if Republicans think they will gain anything from amnesty, while holding only the House, they’re delusional. Any law that they pass will likely have to be argued over, and all the GOP will get credit for is fighting to restrict the amnesty (unless they just totally capitulate and give the Democrats whatever they wamt, which, i guess, is not impossible). Obama and the Democrats will get the credit for the actual amnesty.

besser tot als rot on January 31, 2014 at 11:59 AM

Who knows, specifically, WHY the topfloaters among the GOP disdain the Tea Partiers? I know the Dems do but their proclamations of denouncement are all based upon fantasies (“racist” and whatnot they claim).

So what’s the problem for the GOP? I have yet to read/hear just what the problem with the TPs is.

Lourdes on January 31, 2014 at 11:59 AM

YOU LIE!

Oust Boehner NOW!

While we’re at it, oust McConnell, Cantor, Priebus and every other Repuke that back Obamnesty as well.

Meople on January 31, 2014 at 11:58 AM

I sense that this push at this time is an effort to sorta’ lay down the rose petals on a path for Jeb Bush 2016.

Lourdes on January 31, 2014 at 12:01 PM

Do you think he’s trying to tell the “establishment” “look I tried, but the voters don’t want it?”

Who am I kidding, a politician who listens to his voters, never happen.

Iblis on January 31, 2014 at 12:02 PM

I think large numbers of centrist/establishment Republicans believe immigration reform is an absolute prerequisite to rebuilding goodwill with Latinos. And I think they’re secretly optimistic that passing amnesty would be a bit of a magic bullet with Latinos as soon as 2016, not enough to cut deeply into the Democratic advantage but maybe enough to trim five points, which could be crucial in a tight election.

Heh, either way “big finger” — us Latinos

Schadenfreude on January 31, 2014 at 12:03 PM

Sean LeGrande translated: Us DC elites would much prefer a go along/get along RINO caucus (and permanent minority status) than a majority which includes those lunatic Tea Partiers.

kevinkristy on January 31, 2014 at 12:05 PM

Not really. It’s quite simple. Bury immigration this year. Retake the Senate. Pass a border security bill (a real one, not a symbolical one) next year. Send it to Obama’s desk. He inevitably vetoes it. Then run on that in 2016.

Doughboy on January 31, 2014 at 11:25 AM

YES!!!!!!!!! !!!! !!!

Huge! Pass the word to Bohener.

——— ———— ———-
Of course, as Ted Cruz and others have said, if we try to pass amnesty this year, even amnesty light, it’s like throwing a grenade into the electoral outcomes of Republicans candidates.

What’s the point then? Um, not sure, except maybe some big biz types really really want to low wage labor or something, despite the fact that working class Americans (natives) need jobs as it it, and amnesty light would depress their wages, and the working class are virulently against amnesty, and they made up most of the “missing white vote” that sunk Romney.

So, if Bohner does amnesty, we flop in the 2014 elections, we don’t take the senate, so we can do what you suggest we do, Doughboy.

So, don’t do amnesty now, take the senate, and then do real immigration reform next year and dare Obama to veto it. Imagine, Obama vetoes border security. Then we got a wave victory in 2016! It all hinges, according to logic, on Bohner not doing it now.

anotherJoe on January 31, 2014 at 12:05 PM

I sense that this push at this time is an effort to sorta’ lay down the rose petals on a path for Jeb Bush 2016.

Lourdes on January 31, 2014 at 12:01 PM

Sorry, but Jeb would lose bigger than Romney did.

The GOP just isn’t going to get any more votes from Conservatives that turn out and hold their nose and vote for the lesser of two evils. Those votes are gone.

Meople on January 31, 2014 at 12:06 PM

If they pass amnesty this summer and Republican voters protest by staying home in November, fine.

You be wrong. They won’t stay home. They’ll make Pelosi Speaker. YOU have no idea how mad the people are, especially at the rats on the right.

That means fewer tea partiers end up in Congress next year, which Boehner can live with.

This won’t happen.

If they don’t pass it and Republican voters turn out in force, painting Congress red, that’s fine too. A bigger majority also has certain advantages. There are upsides and downsides to either outcome for Boehner so, he probably figures, why not make his move now?

Not so

Schadenfreude on January 31, 2014 at 12:07 PM

Correction: So, if Bohner does amnesty, we flop in the 2014 elections, we don’t take the senate, so we can’t do what you suggest we do, Doughboy.

anotherJoe on January 31, 2014 at 12:07 PM

No sooner did Senator Jeff Sessions deliver his Immigration Memo to House Republicans https://t.co/FirqTCUMLm than the irky, troubled Zuckerberg smears “anti-immigration groups” as “shocking extremists”…

http://dailycaller.com/2014/01/31/zuckerberg-group-distributes-memo-on-the-shocking-extremism-behind-anti-immigrant-groups/

Lourdes on January 31, 2014 at 11:33 AM

For the Zuck man it’s all about the green. the kid already had 30 billion and wants more.
He wants the cheaper programmers to flood in from India and China.
He could care less about the poor wetbacks, hell they don’t use Facebook either.
Tell Zuck to shut up and go spend his money on hookers and booze.

redguy on January 31, 2014 at 12:07 PM

Sorry

That means fewer tea partiers end up in Congress next year, which Boehner can live with.

This won’t happen.

If they don’t pass it and Republican voters turn out in force, painting Congress red, that’s fine too. A bigger majority also has certain advantages. There are upsides and downsides to either outcome for Boehner so, he probably figures, why not make his move now?

Not so, on the bolded part.

Schadenfreude on January 31, 2014 at 12:08 PM

So what’s the problem for the GOP? I have yet to read/hear just what the problem with the TPs is.

Lourdes on January 31, 2014 at 11:59 AM

This is just an educated guess on my part, but I would assume it’s because Tea Partiers(both elected and grassroots) want the GOP to actually deliver on their stated agenda of smaller government, less taxes and regulation, free markets, and eliminating the culture of corruption in DC.

The problem of course is that more than a few Republicans are quite content with the status quo. It’s hard to become a millionaire Congressman when you’re reducing the amount of money coming into DC, limiting the influence of Congress and the bureaucracy, placing restrictions on lobbyists, and holding elected and appointed officials responsible for what transpires.

In other words, the real issue is the system itself. It’s rotten to the core. The Tea Party gets this and is inflamed about it. And unlike the Democrat base which is aware of the corruption but seems ok with it as long as benefits them electorally, Tea Partiers want no part of it. That frightens the establishment Republicans and their constituents.

But like I said, that’s just an educated guess.

Doughboy on January 31, 2014 at 12:10 PM

I wrote a lot of letters to Boehner and Congress yesterday vehemently opposing any immigration bill, as well as leaving a long message with Boehner about it. Hopefully, millions of Americans did likewise.

We need to keep the pressure up. Write and call. Call and write. We’re fighting for our beloved country.

EV on January 31, 2014 at 12:12 PM

If they pass amnesty this summer and Republican voters protest by staying home in November, fine.

Conservative voters, like me, won’t just stay home in November if the GOPe passes Obamnesty. I will turn out and vote AGAINST every (R) on the ballot, by voting FOR every (D) on the ballot.

Let’s see how the GOP likes getting 20% of the vote in November and in 2016.

Meople on January 31, 2014 at 12:13 PM

I think large numbers of centrist/establishment Republicans believe immigration reform is an absolute prerequisite to rebuilding goodwill with Latinos in unicorns

Fixed.

Physics Geek on January 31, 2014 at 12:20 PM

I wrote a lot of letters to Boehner and Congress yesterday vehemently opposing any immigration bill, as well as leaving a long message with Boehner about it. Hopefully, millions of Americans did likewise.

We need to keep the pressure up. Write and call. Call and write. We’re fighting for our beloved country.

EV on January 31, 2014 at 12:12 PM

Here here.
Here’s the smoking cheese doodles contact info.
Zip + 4 for Springfield is 45502-1214.

I’m thinking it would’t be a bad thing to recall Paul Ryan, little rat bastard weasel. I’m also going to send a check to Jeff Sessions for trying too stand up to this.

V7_Sport on January 31, 2014 at 12:23 PM

That means fewer tea partiers end up in Congress next year, which Boehner can live with.

Does Boener really dislike the tea party that much? Anyway, if they pull the pin of the amnesty grenade now, you can expect more tea party primary challenges, so even if overall there’s less Republicans, there could be more tea partiers, which I don’t know if that works for Boehner.

anotherJoe on January 31, 2014 at 12:24 PM

Conservative voters, like me, won’t just stay home in November if the GOPe passes Obamnesty. I will turn out and vote AGAINST every (R) on the ballot, by voting FOR every (D) on the ballot.

Meople on January 31, 2014 at 12:13 PM

I’m staying home. I decided that the minute the House idiots re-elected that crybaby loser to the Weepership. That was the last straw for me.

I understand your position but I’m just staying away. If I do manage to drag myself to the polls the GOP won’t get any votes from me. The dems certainly won’t, either (though I have no problem with those who are so fed up that they cast their votes that way … since none of it makes any difference, at this point, anyway). At best, I would do some write-ins but that’s about it.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 31, 2014 at 12:25 PM

Refresher

Hillary Rodham Clinton wrote her thesis on Saul Alinsky and
traveled to NYC to interview him.

Barry Soetoro AKA Barack Obama studied Saul Alinsky . This explains
their actions. Wake Up!!!

All in a days work

How to create a social state by Saul Alinsky:

There are 8 levels of control that must be obtained
before you are able to create a social state.

The first is the most important.

1) Healthcare – Control healthcare and you control
the people

2) Poverty – Increase the Poverty level as high as
possible, poor people are easier to control and
will not fight back if you are providing everything
for them to live.

3) Debt – Increase the debt to an unsustainable level.
That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will
produce more poverty.

4) Gun Control – Remove the ability to defend
themselves from the Government. That way you are
able to create a police state.

5) Welfare – Take control of every aspect of their lives
(Food, Housing, and Income)

6) Education – Take control of what people read and
listen to – take control of what children learn in
school.

7) Religion – Remove the belief in the God from the
Government and schools

8) Class Warfare – Divide the people into the wealthy
and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will
be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the
poor.

Schadenfreude on January 31, 2014 at 12:26 PM

If they pass amnesty this summer and Republican voters protest by staying home in November, fine.

You be wrong. They won’t stay home. They’ll make Pelosi Speaker. YOU have no idea how mad the people are, especially at the rats on the right.

Schadenfreude on January 31, 2014 at 12:07 PM

Instead of rolling over and giving them everything they want and more why won’t you fight it while it is happening? Do you think complaining here does a damn bit of good for anyone? What the hell is wrong with you people? Vowing to vote for pelosi rather than get off your ass and making your voice heard.

V7_Sport on January 31, 2014 at 12:27 PM

Anyway, if they pull the pin of the amnesty grenade now,

anotherJoe on January 31, 2014 at 12:24 PM

They already have. It doesn’t matter if they bring it up in the House or not, just pushing it like this is more than enough to know where these traitors stand and to treat them like the loathsome douchebags they clearly are.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 31, 2014 at 12:27 PM

We’re seeing yet another example of decisive leadership being offered by the Speaker…

Going along to get along, trying to win elections by being progressive-lite, embracing ‘solutions’ that are mega-bills which fail to address what is fundamentally broken – all of these are what this current crop of House GOP leadership has really delivered to the people who sent them to DC.

That’s why they are held in as much contempt by the voter and they hold the voter in.

Boehner probably already has his K Street lobbyist position lined up – he’s part of the system, been corrupted by the system, and will remain part of the problem as opposed to part of the solution. I only wish he feared the American conservative voter as much as he fears the mainstream media….

Athos on January 31, 2014 at 12:28 PM

Schadenfreude on January 31, 2014 at 12:26 PM

All true. And they’re well on their way to accomplishing all of those.

The problem is we have the GOP who is actively helping to accomplish all of it.

Meople on January 31, 2014 at 12:29 PM

Corporations may give you cash, Johnny, but they can’t give you one single vote.

stenwin77 on January 31, 2014 at 12:29 PM

“Waffle”

Shake shake shake. ROF. Shake shake shake…

● It is decidedly so

Shake shake shake…

● Better not tell you now

Throw against wall…

● Concentrate and ask again

Tsar of Earth on January 31, 2014 at 12:36 PM

But if they end up cooling off the base’s enthusiasm and get a narrow, establishment-based Senate majority and keep the House, well, that’s not the end of the world either. In fact, it would mean a more docile caucus in both Houses, which is good for those who run those Houses.

If the GOP-E is willing to lose seats just to have more control over their caucus, that tells me all I need to know about the establishment. The Republican Party’s goal should be to win as many seats as possible, not piss off the base before a midterm election.

My prediction is that this gets tabled until the lame-duck session, where it gets pushed through.

midgeorgian on January 31, 2014 at 12:36 PM

If Sean Trende’s “theory” is right, that is absolutely pathetic. And if there ever is any corroboration to the Establishment being “afraid to win”, because of conservative/tea party uprising, then I am finally and FULLY on board with going 3rd party. Enough with the charade.

cdog0613 on January 31, 2014 at 12:39 PM

Top national swine

Schadenfreude on January 31, 2014 at 12:40 PM

If they pass amnesty this summer and Republican voters protest by staying home in November, fine. That means fewer tea partiers end up in Congress next year, which Boehner can live with.

Right there is where you and those like you – i.e. Boehner, Ryan, Cantor, et al – are dead wrong. If they pass amnesty this summer, Republican voters won’t protest by staying home in November…Republican voters will protest by ceasing to be Republican voters period!

You RINOs simply don’t understand how utterly fed-up with Republican weakness, capitulation and cowardice the average conservative voter is. The old “lesser of two evils” argument is utterly dead because it isn’t making a bit of difference in the end as the march towards progressive hell continues unabated. To me, it almost seems as though the Republican party has been secretly co-opted by progressives, and that it’s real function is to simply serve as a buffer for the Leftists as they enact their socialist agenda while peddling the illusion that those opposed to that agenda actually have a voice in the political arena.

Pass this bill, GOP, and you cast yourself onto the ash heap of history.

This far, no further!

rvastar on January 31, 2014 at 12:43 PM

Look who the real racists are.

Schadenfreude on January 31, 2014 at 12:43 PM

Instead of rolling over and giving them everything they want and more why won’t you fight it while it is happening? Do you think complaining here does a damn bit of good for anyone? What the hell is wrong with you people? Vowing to vote for pelosi rather than get off your ass and making your voice heard.

V7_Sport on January 31, 2014 at 12:27 PM

Multi-task. God gave you a brain and the abilities to do so. What is wrong with you?

Schadenfreude on January 31, 2014 at 12:46 PM

According to the secretary, calls to Boehner’s office are 50%/50% in support of the plan. The other side doesn’t have any problem making their opinion heard.

V7_Sport on January 31, 2014 at 12:47 PM

Multi-task. God gave you a brain and the abilities to do so. What is wrong with you?

Schadenfreude on January 31, 2014 at 12:46 PM

So you have made calls, written letters or given money to the people standing up to this rather than incessantly complain here that you have been “betrayed by the establishment”. I suspect that is BS because you would have realized that it gets more traction than staying home or voting for pelosi.

V7_Sport on January 31, 2014 at 12:51 PM

I’m a girl and I have a pair bigger than Boehner.

gophergirl on January 31, 2014 at 11:30 AM

Are you calling Boehner a boob?

right2bright on January 31, 2014 at 12:53 PM

Boehner to GOP caucus: I’m not committed to moving forward on immigration

I call B.S. If that were true, we wouldn’t keep hearing about it. The base has made their opinion very plain on this subject. You don’t keep bringing it up in spite of that, unless you’re committed to it.

There are upsides and downsides to either outcome for Boehner so, he probably figures, why not make his move now?

I realize that this is likely a true statement, but it’s probably the most depressing one of the entire piece.

If you’re the GOP Leader in the House, there should be no downside to a larger GOP presence on Capitol Hill. Particularly with the other chamber currently under Democrat control.

Likewise, if you’re the GOP Leader in the House, there should be no upside to a smaller GOP presence on Capitol Hill.

If you see benefits on these things, then you’re probably not representing your party very well.

Chris of Rights on January 31, 2014 at 12:55 PM

“Did you really think that we want those laws to be observed?” said Dr. Ferris. “We want them broken. You’d better get it straight that it’s not a bunch of boy scouts you’re up against—then you’ll know that this is not the age for beautiful gestures.

We’re after power and we mean it. You fellows were pikers, but we know the real trick, and you’d better get wise to it.

There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.

Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens?
What’s there it that for anyone?

But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted—and you create a nation of lawbreakers—and then you cash in.

Now that’s the system, Mr. Rearden, that’s the game, and once you understand it, you’ll be much easier to deal with.”

Schadenfreude on January 31, 2014 at 1:01 PM

So what’s the problem for the GOP? I have yet to read/hear just what the problem with the TPs is.

Lourdes on January 31, 2014 at 11:59 AM

DC is a parasitic boomtown that is bleeding the rest of the country dry, and the tea party is trying to save America from DC profligacy and corruption and make DC work for the people again instead of cronies. Reformers trying to put an end to the pig-trough/gravy-train are the enemies of corrupt politicians on both sides of the isle in DC.

FloatingRock on January 31, 2014 at 1:07 PM

? no – passing any kind of reform in which “conservative” voters stay home is not fine…..
If fewer Tea Partiers end up in Congress then the democrats have won.

It’s time for bold action against Obama and his socialists. That means saying no and getting the conservative voters to come back.

What would be fine is 11 million less democratic votes in 2016.

redguy on January 31, 2014 at 11:49 AM

That’s the point. These liberal / big government / pragmatic / rino / crony republicans (and almost all of them fit into one of those categories) have no desire to govern by ideals. They loathe the tea party because the loathe idealists. They have no fundamental principles. They are mush like the posters on here that laugh at those of you with principles. You’ve heard the insults: you are too naïve, you can’t win with principles, you will be relegated to minority status, and blah, blah, blah. Conservatives, unfortunately, will soon have to (if they haven’t already) realize there’s no place for them in this republican party. And as far as taking back the party – forget about it. In reality, this has been a slow crawl to where we are now. Truthfully, the conservative icon (Reagan) was either too liberal or too non-idealistic. I can’t reconcile him signing the law for the first amnesty and allowing taxes to be raised as much as hid did. And lest you not place the blame for the unrecognizable present day republican party, I would suggest the proof is in the pudding. Reagan led to Bush I and Bush I led to the parade of losers Dole/Bush II/McCain/Romney/Christie.

noeastern on January 31, 2014 at 1:10 PM

By the way, I notice Fox News is once again tip toeing around amnesty again and barely mentioning it. Special Report spent more time talking about the nothing burger internal Dem debate on “trade”. Huh? Roger Ailes has clearly given his marching orders not not have any real debate on this issue. He his Rove compadres want amnesty rammed through NOW.

cdog0613 on January 31, 2014 at 1:10 PM

The Party of Stupid (POS) is on the verge of a Charlie Brown-Lucy-Football moment. Obamacare is killing the Donks. So what do the Ruling Class geniuses at the POS decide? Hey, let’s toss everything away so the Donk Ruling Class will make nice with us at Capitol City cocktail parties. If the goal is to get me to stay home in November, well, it’s working.

Bruno Strozek on January 31, 2014 at 11:41 AM

They are not stupid. This is not about ignorance. This is about cynicism, crony capitalism, thirst for remaining in power and being paid for it, corruption, etc. These are not stupid people.

noeastern on January 31, 2014 at 1:16 PM

DC is a parasitic boomtown that is bleeding the rest of the country dry, and the tea party is trying to save America from DC profligacy and corruption and make DC work for the people again instead of cronies. Reformers trying to put an end to the pig-trough/gravy-train are the enemies of corrupt politicians on both sides of the isle in DC.

FloatingRock on January 31, 2014 at 1:07 PM

Exactly. Nothing more, nothing less.

noeastern on January 31, 2014 at 1:18 PM

(Some do. Rand Paul, who’ll position himself as Mr. Tea Party in the election if Cruz doesn’t run, is himself open to forms of legalization if the border is secured.)

When have we ever heard someone saying they are “open to forms of legalization” even if the border is unsecured?

Rand is for amnesty. Cross him off the list.

If they pass amnesty this summer and Republican voters protest by staying home in November, fine. That means fewer tea partiers end up in Congress next year, which Boehner can live with. If they don’t pass it and Republican voters turn out in force, painting Congress red, that’s fine too. A bigger majority also has certain advantages. There are upsides and downsides to either outcome for Boehner so, he probably figures, why not make his move now?

Yes, that sounds like what his thinking must be like. He misses option #3: The Tea Partiers turn out to vote for the Tea Party candidates, and they don’t turn out to vote for squishes like Boehner. The majority either turns into a dark red minority that wants nothing to do with amnesty passers like him, or it turns into a dark red majority that wants nothing to do with amnesty passers like him.

If Boehner gets an amnesty passed this year, the one question I am going to ask the GOP candidate for my district will be: “Who are you going to vote for to be Speaker?”

fadetogray on January 31, 2014 at 1:22 PM

But if they end up cooling off the base’s enthusiasm and get a narrow, establishment-based Senate majority and keep the House, well, that’s not the end of the world either. In fact, it would mean a more docile caucus in both Houses, which is good for those who run those Houses.

Geez, wouldn’t that require the GOP to be completely cocky in their expectations of winning the Senate? They can’t be that sure of winning enough seats that a few less won’t matter and they will ultimately still get control.

Sounds a bit cuckoo.

lynncgb on January 31, 2014 at 1:23 PM

Now that’s the system, Mr. Rearden, that’s the game, and once you understand it, you’ll be much easier to deal with.”

Schadenfreude

I assure you that they find people who do nothing to alter their fate but complain on the web very easy to deal with.

V7_Sport on January 31, 2014 at 1:24 PM

Does Boener really dislike the tea party that much? Anyway, if they pull the pin of the amnesty grenade now, you can expect more tea party primary challenges, so even if overall there’s less Republicans, there could be more tea partiers, which I don’t know if that works for Boehner.

anotherJoe on January 31, 2014 at 12:24 PM

Boehner is in between a rock and a hard place.

On Megan Kelly’s show last night there was a FOX political analyst who conveyed the following when Megan asked why the GOPe is pushing for amnesty now–FOLLOW THE MONEY:

1. Obama has threatened the GOP big business donors that if the GOP does not pass immigration reform then he (Obama) is going make these businesses pay for it through regulation, fines, etc.

2. The big businesses have in turn threatened the GOP with cutting off the large campaign contributions the GOP needs to fight the tea party challengers in the primaries. The GOPe NEEDS this big donor money because, as we all know, the base has stopped contributing to the RINOs.

3. The GOPe is now squeezing congressional members with scare tactics and threats as a way to get them to fall into line and pass amnesty. In fact, there was already an attempt at character assassination against anti-amnesty members when a southern congressional member told the press after the GOP summit that he felt that there was “racism” involved in some of the members not wanting to pass immigration reform. I don’t think his name has been revealed, but you can see how they are trying to split the caucus.

So, yeah, Boehner and the GOPe hates the tea party enough that they would rather throw the dice on the chance of winning some Latino votes than having to deal with real conservatives in the GOP who hold them accountable.

KickandSwimMom on January 31, 2014 at 1:33 PM

He wasn’t trying to sell us on this, I don’t think. He was saying the words but it didn’t seem to be coming from his heart.”

Hmmm… What did the NSA find now?

Fallon on January 31, 2014 at 1:37 PM

If they pass amnesty this summer and Republican voters protest by staying home in November, fine. That means fewer tea partiers end up in Congress next year, which Boehner can live with.

Which is why conservatives need to stay away en masse and help the GOP lose the house. If he loses the House, Boehner should lose his position. And the next republican leader will be on notice.

Otherwise, what is the point? When you say “tea partier” you mean “someone who actually believes the b.s. we tell the GOP base when we fundraise and campaign”.

If we support the GOP in 2014, we deserve amnesty, bigger gov’t, more spending, Obamacare and everything else we get.

Monkeytoe on January 31, 2014 at 1:38 PM

This is just an educated guess on my part, but I would assume it’s because Tea Partiers(both elected and grassroots) want the GOP to actually deliver on their stated agenda of smaller government, less taxes and regulation, free markets, and eliminating the culture of corruption in DC.

Doughboy on January 31, 2014 at 12:10 PM

That is some of it.

I’d add two other major issues. The first is cultural – the Tea Party is popularly viewed by the elite as a bunch of cave-dwelling, gaptoothed, Bible-thumping hicks that barely know how to tie their own shoes, who have no business opining on what goes in government.

The third is simple revenge. The Republicans are angry with the Tea Party for primarying left-leaning representatives and Senators in 2010, are also angry that the Tea Party opposed Romney’s coronation in 2012, and are angry about the shutdown. The anger was particularly evident with things like the “wacko birds” eruptions both in public and in publications like the Politico.

Doomberg on January 31, 2014 at 1:43 PM

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