Rubio: Obama’s lawlessness is the biggest impediment to passing immigration reform

posted at 7:21 pm on January 29, 2014 by Allahpundit

Before we begin, although I think these “he’s being friendly with Obama!” outrages are silly, I can’t resist tossing a little chum to the anti-Rubio sharks out there. I’m titling this one, “Pals.”

Anyway, as the senator was saying:

Rubio said that the “fundamental” problem to passing immigration reform right now is skepticism on the right that the administration would enforce beefed up border security measures.

He said that Obama administration handling of the Internal Revenue Service scandal involving scrutiny of Tea Party groups and revelations about widespread National Security Administration spying have drummed up this skepticism.

“I don’t know if it can happen under this administration given its lack of willingness to enforce the law. It’s a real impediment,” he said. “I think that is the fundamental challenge right now … how do we gain people’s confidence that the enforcement will happen.”

“Where was this guy eight months ago?” wonders Mark Krikorian. When did it dawn on him, precisely, that a Democratic president can’t be trusted to be a hard-ass on the border even if Congress has authorized him to be one? I’ll up the ante by asking another question: When did Obama’s lawlessness become an “impediment” to passing immigration reform, as Rubio says here, rather than the whole reason for passing the bill in the first place? Back in August, he argued that it’s because we can’t trust Obama that Congress needs to act; if Congress stands pat and does nothing, O might turn around and try to amnestize America’s illegals via executive order. Better to have the legislature step up than leave President Powergrab to his own devices. Remember?

“I believe that this president will be tempted, if nothing happens in Congress, he will be tempted to issue an executive order like he did for the DREAM Act kids a year ago, where he basically legalizes 11 million people by the sign of a pen. Now, we won’t get an E-Verify, we won’t get any border security. But he’ll legalize them,” the Florida senator told Tallahassee radio host Preston Scott.

Why was he worried about border security and E-Verify back then if he doesn’t trust Obama to enforce them now? If you can’t trust O to carry out the law then logically it doesn’t much matter what Congress does. O’s going to do what he wants to do. In fact, if you’re worried about a backlash among conservatives against the GOP leadership if they pass a legalization bill, you’re arguably better off letting Obama do that himself via EO so that he takes all the political heat. The GOP can focus on border security instead and then, if Obama refuses to enforce the bill they pass, they can run on that in the midterms. It’d be superb motivation to get grassroots righties to turn out to beat the Democrats.

Ah, but there’s a flaw in that plan: The GOP needs to participate in the legalization process in order to impress Latino voters, right? Can’t let O do it himself. Then he’ll get all the electoral credit. As the head of the RNC put it, “I think you have general consensus that something big has to happen.” Does it, though? A smart conservative-leaning friend who follows politics e-mailed me today after the Ryan post with a provocative question: What if all the Republican blather about passing amnesty to woo Latinos is nonsense that even they don’t believe? Romney did get destroyed in that demographic in 2012, but contrary to popular belief, it didn’t cost him the election. Pushing a middle-class economic agenda would help Republicans with Latinos (and every other kind of voter) in 2016 irrespective of what happens with immigration reform; it’s also an open question whether Latinos, a key part of “the Obama coalition,” will show up in the same numbers two years from now when O’s no longer on the ballot. Republican leaders know all of this, my friend emphasized. So why continue to push the “we can’t win without amnesty!” canard?

His theory: Maybe the Democrats are right about the GOP, at least on this issue. Maybe Boehner and Ryan and the rest of them really are just toadies of the Chamber of Commerce and big business. The “Latinos won’t vote for us without this” might simply be what they feed the base to try to soften opposition among conservatives; after all, even if you hate the idea of amnesty, you’d hate losing to Hillary even more. Once grassroots opposition is sufficiently soft, the big immigration sellout on behalf of business interests can proceed. I don’t know if he’s right or wrong, but keep the possibility in mind as this plays out. All I’ll say is, while I don’t trust O to enforce the border as scrupulously as he could, there are few Republican would-be presidents that I’d trust either. This isn’t an “Obama’s gone rogue” problem. This is something bigger.


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Oye – this should help!

jake-the-goose on January 29, 2014 at 7:23 PM

D’oh

cmsinaz on January 29, 2014 at 7:23 PM

D’oh

cmsinaz on January 29, 2014 at 7:23 PM

My all time favorite verbal reaction – to anything

jake-the-goose on January 29, 2014 at 7:25 PM

OT: lol the only folks who care about Christies travails is tingles and kornacki…. just switched thinking he would be praising dear leader

Idiots

cmsinaz on January 29, 2014 at 7:26 PM

Obama’s lawlessness? I must have missed the strict enforcement of our immigration laws since the last amnesty.

Nomas on January 29, 2014 at 7:26 PM

Jake :)

And yet boehner and Ryan are going to pass some crap sandwich

cmsinaz on January 29, 2014 at 7:27 PM

Maybe Boehner and Ryan and the rest of them really are just toadies of the Chamber of Commerce and big business.

That’s really the only plausible explanation as the other two are toadies of the DNC or toadies of la Raza.

VorDaj on January 29, 2014 at 7:27 PM

Rubio the Hispander says what? ///

annoyinglittletwerp on January 29, 2014 at 7:27 PM

after all, even if you hate the idea of amnesty, you’d hate losing to Hillary even more.

Not really.

VorDaj on January 29, 2014 at 7:28 PM

Rubio career is FAR from over!

GO Rubio!

terryannonline on January 29, 2014 at 7:28 PM

And yet boehner and Ryan are going to pass some crap sandwich

cmsinaz on January 29, 2014 at 7:27 PM

Maybe not – almost a year ago everyone thought (on immigration) something awful would pass – and nothing happened.

I have no idea, but his year looks like other issues will hold immigration off. IMO

jake-the-goose on January 29, 2014 at 7:28 PM

One question, Senator Rube:

Why would the government enforce any new illegal immigration laws when it refuses to enforce current ones?

I won’t hold my breath, moron …

ShainS on January 29, 2014 at 7:30 PM

Shame on any Republican who supports illegal alien amnesty, agreeing to throw away the country in order to give big business more cheap labor and the Democrat Party more voters.

This has next to nothing to do with trying to win Latino votes for Republicans, which it wouldn’t do anyway.

Americans want immigration laws enforced and the border secured.

bluegill on January 29, 2014 at 7:31 PM

Rubio the Hispander says what? ///

annoyinglittletwerp on January 29, 2014 at 7:27 PM

Me amigo and patron Senor Marco say me should no pay attention to this stuff he say to you gringos to pull a sheep over your eyes. He tell me he be looking out for me and all my people still at home waiting to come across border and he just got to say all dis stuff for now.

NoBordersJose on January 29, 2014 at 7:32 PM

The irony stings.

HornetSting on January 29, 2014 at 7:33 PM

Americans want immigration laws enforced and the border secured.

bluegill on January 29, 2014 at 7:31 PM

And they also want to the illegals to stay and apply for citizenship.

terryannonline on January 29, 2014 at 7:33 PM

As much as we don’t like Obama’s lawlessness, it’s got nothing to do with passing immigration reform. That shouldn’t take an Einstein. I guess Rubio’s no Einstein.

And Rubio was the greatest betrayer, appealing to the Tea Party by saying he was against amnesty in any form, then like a Trojan Horse once in office he spearheaded amnesty. Rubio is one of those major betrayers who we must primary out of office, and it’s not about whether the Dem wins, it’s about getting rid of Rubio. http://tomohalloran.com/2013/06/20/rubios-betrayal-of-the-american-people/

anotherJoe on January 29, 2014 at 7:34 PM

Obama’s lawlessness? Yes, a whole lot of it, but what about your own support of the lawless, Marco.

VorDaj on January 29, 2014 at 7:35 PM

GO Rubio!

terryannonline on January 29, 2014 at 7:28 PM

You want him? He’s yours. But you gotta come get him. Florida don’t deliver.

The irony stings.

HornetSting on January 29, 2014 at 7:33 PM

Just like when I pee.

Lanceman on January 29, 2014 at 7:36 PM

Why would the government enforce any new illegal immigration laws when it refuses to enforce current ones?

I won’t hold my breath, moron …

ShainS on January 29, 2014 at 7:30 PM

Which of the 1900+ immigration laws are your referring to?

You see – this is a complicated subject.

Since 9/11 – Congress has enacted over 400 new immigration laws – so saying “just enforce existing laws” – is a little tough.

jake-the-goose on January 29, 2014 at 7:37 PM

Seriously, there ought to be almost no issue less controversial than securing the border and enforcing the law.

No special legalization whatsoever for illegal aliens.

My right as an American to have the government secure the national border should not be dependent on millions of illegal aliens being given amnesty. The two things shouldn’t even be linked to one another.

I want immigration standards upheld, and I want the best and the brightest in the world to come here. Why are we tolerating another country, Mexico, transferring a large portion of its poor, unskilled population into this country, where they take jobs, fill up prisons, cost states billions, etc. This is not to say that every illegal alien is a terrible person, but we can’t throw open our doors for the whole world to come here and take advantage of us.

Do we have borders, or don’t we? Securing the border and enforcing the law shouldn’t even be negotiable.

bluegill on January 29, 2014 at 7:39 PM

Rubio career is FAR from over!

GO Rubio!

terryannonline on January 29, 2014 at 7:28 PM

You never disappoint.

HornetSting on January 29, 2014 at 7:40 PM

The BS just spews out of this guys mouth.

“Pass amnesty because Obama is lawless”
“can’t pass amnesty because Obama is lawless”

“Border security before amnesty”
“amnesty definitely comes before security”

El_Terrible on January 29, 2014 at 7:40 PM

Jeff Flake has been meeting with CoC all over the State lately.

Call you Congressmans office an inquire when yours has. You might find the answers interesting.

wolly4321 on January 29, 2014 at 7:41 PM

Its always been about cheap labor for big business. Follow the money. Most everything else they say about it is lies.

As for Rubio’s epiphany, I think Allah may have pointed out the contradiction at the time a few months ago. Or somebody did a few months ago. If Obama might pass immigration on his own because of his lawlessness, he might just ignore the bits of law he doesn’t like that will be passed in immigration reform too. Rubio finally admitting the obvious.

They will never permanently secure the border. And its sounding like they want to lose my vote as well. O.K.

KMav on January 29, 2014 at 7:42 PM

Obama’s lawlessness? I must have missed the strict enforcement of our immigration laws since the last amnesty.

Nomas on January 29, 2014 at 7:26 PM

And that’s the truth.

After amnesty, they’ll talk about the right to return for those deported. Then amnesty again.

El_Terrible on January 29, 2014 at 7:42 PM

jake-the-goose

Well…I suppose he could start with enforcing the ones that say you have to have our permission to be and stay here.

Knott Buyinit on January 29, 2014 at 7:42 PM

Well…I suppose he could start with enforcing the ones that say you have to have our permission to be and stay here.

Knott Buyinit on January 29, 2014 at 7:42 PM

Hard to argue with that – so I won’t – you’re right

jake-the-goose on January 29, 2014 at 7:43 PM

And they also want to the illegals to stay and apply for citizenship.

terryannonline on January 29, 2014 at 7:33 PM

My grandfather came here LEGALLY. Border-jumpers are criminals and need to be treated as such-NOT rewarded for their criminal behavior!

annoyinglittletwerp on January 29, 2014 at 7:43 PM

The irony stings.

HornetSting on January 29, 2014 at 7:33 PM

Just like when I pee.

Lanceman on January 29, 2014 at 7:36 PM

Lmao!

HornetSting on January 29, 2014 at 7:44 PM

Rubio said that the “fundamental” problem to passing immigration reform right now is skepticism on the right that the administration would enforce beefed up border security measures.

BINGO! BINGO!

Obama’s presidency and Obamacare is built on lies, lots of ‘em. He will not ever enforce border control enough no matter what this habitual liar says and the Democrats will go along. He would love to see this country look more like the third world (and voting Democrat).

Chessplayer on January 29, 2014 at 7:45 PM

Rubio still doesn’t get it, does he?

Now he sounds like that fool in the WH — first lie to the people who vote for you, and then blame someone else.

You — Rubio — lied to your constituents.

Then you decided to become the WH-Schumer-Reid lapdog for a bill that you repeatedly lied about.

As for the real problem on immigration reform…we don’t need “immigration reform.” We need enforcement reform.

Did you insist on that first, Mr. “Oh, it’s the WH’s fault”?

Lord a mercy, Republicans are disgusting sometimes.

EastofEden on January 29, 2014 at 7:47 PM

Hack, I want my money back.

/Seriously, I do. FUBO and FUBORUBIO.

We won’t be fooled again.

CRUZ/PAUL 2016

PAUL/CRUZ 2016

win/win

Key West Reader on January 29, 2014 at 7:50 PM

jake-the-goose on January 29, 2014 at 7:37 PM

Funny how other countries have less trouble enforcing so-called “complicated” immigration laws, and they have the support of the people. In Canada, nearly 70% support deporting everyone who is in the country illegally.

Jake, you previously said that it is “impossible” to secure the border, so why try? Now you claim that it is so burdensome and “complicated” to enforce immigration laws.

The truth is that the real reason preventing us from having a secure border and immigration laws enforced is a lack of political will among elected reps.

bluegill on January 29, 2014 at 7:50 PM

Google marco rubio chamber of commerce.

Google any of them supporting this/CoC.

They have been busy little bees.

wolly4321 on January 29, 2014 at 7:51 PM

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/01/29/McMorris-Rodgers-More-Hopeful-Republican-Vision-Leaves-Obama-Unscathed

davidk on January 29, 2014 at 7:47 PM

But Ed Morrissey was pleased as punch after watching his fellow pro-amnesty Republican’s speech.

You mean to say it wasn’t that effective, after all? /a

By the way, I think Tony Lee is a great contributor at Breitbart. Wish we could have gotten him here.

bluegill on January 29, 2014 at 7:53 PM

bluegill on January 29, 2014 at 7:50 PM

I live maybe 3-3 1/2 hours from the US/ Mex border.
We need to shut the border DOWN!

annoyinglittletwerp on January 29, 2014 at 7:53 PM

2014 has to be the year that the American people make it very clear that we want our government to ENFORCE CURRENT U.S. LAWS AGAINST ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.

Ask every single candidate for office at the Federal, State, and Local level to explain their positions on ILLEGAL immigration at every single campaign stop.

Any candidate who puts the desires of ILLEGAL aliens ahead of U.S. Citizens and LEGAL residents needs to be VOTED OUT OF OFFICE or prevented from winning their election in 2014.

wren on January 29, 2014 at 7:55 PM

Key West Reader on January 29, 2014 at 7:50 PM

I am not yet ready to vote for Ron Paul’s son.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 29, 2014 at 7:55 PM

You — Rubio — lied to your constituents.

Then you decided to become the WH-Schumer-Reid lapdog for a bill that you repeatedly lied about.

As for the real problem on immigration reform…we don’t need “immigration reform.” We need enforcement reform.

Did you insist on that first, Mr. “Oh, it’s the WH’s fault”?

Lord a mercy, Republicans are disgusting sometimes.

EastofEden on January 29, 2014 at 7:47 PM

Everyone knows Marco Rubio is reading this thread. Well, Marco I hope you see my message.

I just can’t seem to pin a name on you. I think I’ll let http://www.twitchy.com vent. You really suck. i want my money back.

/friggin hack. Seriously.

Key West Reader on January 29, 2014 at 7:56 PM

“I think that is the fundamental challenge right now … how do we gain people’s confidence that the enforcement will happen.”

Weazel words seem to be the only ones Obaaaama’s pal Marco uses.

“Let me shake your hand, O anti-constitutional, lawless, untrustworthy, dishonest Pal-o’-mine! We can’t bother passing any laws you disagree with because we know you’ll just fuc* them all up, but no problem…let’s get a drink after this thing, wut?”

Jaibones on January 29, 2014 at 7:57 PM

This may be a clever trick. When all the Mexicans are up here, I say we’ll just annex Mexico.

trigon on January 29, 2014 at 7:57 PM

Mickey Kaus wondered who the “mystery speaker” at the House GOP retreat was. NRO has a guess:

We Don’t Need No Stinkin’ Hastert Rule
By Mark Krikorian

I mentioned in my morning contribution to the SOTUpalooza that Mark Strand of the Congressional Institute is supposed to be leading the immigration session at this week’s Republican retreat. That seemed an odd choice since the institute describes itself as “dedicated to helping Members of Congress better serve their constituents and helping their constituents better understand the operations of the national legislature.”

But a reader pointed me to the possible reason for his selection: an article he co-authored last year on the limits of the Hastert Rule, specifically in the context of passing an immigration bill. Some excerpts:

“And this is why it will be difficult for Speaker Boehner to pass an immigration bill under the Hastert Rule — opponents of immigration reform only need to keep 117 Members in opposition and legislation will never get to the House floor — even though a bipartisan coalition of Democrats and Republicans might be able to forge a compromise that could pass the entire House.”

Fair enough. But the end is more suggestive of his views:

“Today, the great irony is that the small band of Republican renegades in Congress only want to follow the Hastert Rule and demand strict party loyalty when they agree with the majority of the Conference. They have no difficulty in splintering off on votes when they oppose the majority of their colleagues. In the end, this will either be their undoing, or the undoing of the Republican colleagues. Either the public will grow tired of an ineffective majority and vote them all out of the majority, or their fellow Republicans will grow tired of being held hostage to the most ideologically extreme of their colleagues and will begin to offer opportunities for more like minded Democrats to participate in crafting legislation.”

So, amnesty and increased immigration are being blocked by a “small band” of “ideologically extreme” “renegades”? Music to Boehner’s (and Obama’s) ears. The speaker’s grudging promise to adhere to the Hastert Rule on any immigration legislation may have passed its expiration date.

Wethal on January 29, 2014 at 7:57 PM

I am not yet ready to vote for Ron Paul’s son.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 29, 2014 at 7:55 PM

Think of the chemistry between Paul and Cruz from an ideological perspective.

Perfect mix IMHO.

Key West Reader on January 29, 2014 at 7:58 PM

When did it dawn on him, precisely, that a Democratic president can’t be trusted to be a hard-ass on the border even if Congress has authorized him to be one?

Allah

And speaking of weasel words, good grief AP. No one needs O’Bozo to “be a hard-ass” on anything. How about maybe enforcing the laws Congress passes, no?

Jaibones on January 29, 2014 at 8:00 PM

The truth is that the real reason preventing us from having a secure border and immigration laws enforced is a lack of political will among elected reps.

bluegill on January 29, 2014 at 7:50 PM

I wish you were right – because that would be a simple excuse for our current situation.

Immigration anxiety is not exactly a new issue in this nation.

We have it today – we will have it until our nation’s time has passed.

Part of being a nation based on “being me your poor – your destitute – etc. ,,,, is accepting that immigration will always cause some problems.

You solve what you can solve – and you don’t pretend to want to solve issues you cannot solve.

jake-the-goose on January 29, 2014 at 8:01 PM

I live 30 minutes away, and yea,, it can be secured.

You laughed at $1B, jake? $135 K/mile?

That’s 135 $1,000 rifles per mile in my world. Or 100 rifles, a few horses and 4 wheelers.

Sounds like plenty of money to me.

wolly4321 on January 29, 2014 at 8:02 PM

bluegill on January 29, 2014 at 7:50 PM
I live maybe 3-3 1/2 hours from the US/ Mex border.
We need to shut the border DOWN!
annoyinglittletwerp on January 29, 2014 at 7:53 PM

Exactly. Look, I have seen what has happened to states like California because of decades of mass, unchecked illegal immigration. The state that gave us Ronald Reagan now gives us the likes of Barbara Boxer. As a state, California is lost. There are still conservative areas in the state, but they are offset by huge populations in Los Angeles County, and things are not going in the right direction there. Another illegal alien amnesty would only accelerate this trend in other states, as well.

Hey, Texans, if amnesty passes, get ready to say hello to US Sen. Wendy Davis in your future. It wouldn’t happen right away, but then the left is looking at the big picture here in their mad push for amnesty.

If single-payer healthcare is the crown jewel for liberalism, then illegal alien amnesty is the crown itself. It is the gift that keeps on giving to them for decades.

bluegill on January 29, 2014 at 8:02 PM

I really don’t understand why this can’t be done piecemeal using Dem tactics. Pass e- verify. If the dems object ask why they wouldn’t want American workers to have American jobs. Who could possibly justify being against that? Pass full border security. It’s a matter of National defense. Who could be against that? Why is this so hard?

hopeful on January 29, 2014 at 8:04 PM

Maybe the Democrats are right about the GOP, at least on this issue. Maybe Boehner and Ryan and the rest of them really are just toadies of the Chamber of Commerce and big business. The “Latinos won’t vote for us without this” might simply be what they feed the base to try to soften opposition among conservatives; after all, even if you hate the idea of amnesty, you’d hate losing to Hillary even more.

Or maybe Republican “leadership” is most interested in retaining control of the party and their seats at the divvying table. Maybe Republican “leadership” would rather lose than win if victory is owed to conservatives, Tea Partiers, and libertarians in the base with whom they would then have to share power. Maybe Republican “leadership” thinks disgust with Zero and the Democrats is high enough that combined with big buck Chamber of Commerce campaign contributions they will get enough centrist votes to outweigh the votes lost if a discouraged and disgusted base just stays home.

I don’t think anyone in Republican leadership actually believes amnesty is good policy. At their cores these tools are no better than the Democrats. They’re willing to do anything they think they can get away with to hold on to their power.

novaculus on January 29, 2014 at 8:05 PM

wolly4321 on January 29, 2014 at 8:02 PM

North Korea has a better way. Demilitarized zone with minefield. I guarangoddamntee you a few blow’d up illegals and the problem is solved.

But the Koreas have their tunnel problems too.

Lanceman on January 29, 2014 at 8:06 PM

I wouldn’t shake his hand. But no immigration reform while this thug is in office.

AshleyTKing on January 29, 2014 at 8:06 PM

I don’t think I’m a violent person. But sometimes …

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davidk on January 29, 2014 at 8:07 PM

You solve what you can solve – and you don’t pretend to want to solve issues you cannot solve.
jake-the-goose on January 29, 2014 at 8:01 PM

I’m not interested in your lofty, condescending BS about so-called “immigration anxiety.” You obviously are happy to be a patsy who enjoys trying to sound thoughtful in willfully ignoring the plainly obvious looming disaster posed by illegal alien amnesty.

bluegill on January 29, 2014 at 8:08 PM

Yawn! Just Rubio trying to be relevant again.

Amjean on January 29, 2014 at 8:09 PM

From your keyboard Jake

cmsinaz on January 29, 2014 at 8:12 PM

I’m not interested in your lofty, condescending BS about so-called “immigration anxiety.”

bluegill on January 29, 2014 at 8:08 PM

Sorry to waste you time – oh mighty one.

jake-the-goose on January 29, 2014 at 8:14 PM

Right now they have” high tech remote sensors. ”

It’s a fvcking camera on a scissor jack. You can see them from ten miles away.

wolly4321 on January 29, 2014 at 8:14 PM

From your keyboard Jake

cmsinaz on January 29, 2014 at 8:12 PM

Sorry – what?

jake-the-goose on January 29, 2014 at 8:14 PM

$ 1/2 billion would be 65 $1,000 rifles/mile.

wolly4321 on January 29, 2014 at 8:18 PM

I think we’re seeing the last throes of a party about to hit the dustbin of history. Too bad really.

Here’s the deal..they only do things that are important to the chamber. Business lobby was for the light bulb ban, the chamber is for the amnesty. Big businesses as a whole are green..and why not…good PR and you can make extra money

The chambers’ main goal in health care it to get it off its back. Thus McCain’s simple solution was to end the tax exemption…put more responsibility onto the employee…and get it off the employer. Had the chamber been really against barry.care I don’t think it would have passed. And even now, they seem to be generally quiet.

because the chamber is narrow focused so is the R party. Rs didn’t give a damn about healthcare when they had 55 votes in the Senate. They don’t give a damn about anything…except what their paymasters want…they all he!! breaks loose…if you oppose the chamber you are a nativitist, racist hick

r keller on January 29, 2014 at 8:19 PM

The Republican Party is determined to commit suicide. Nothing that Conservatives do is going to prevent the attempt. Our only available response is to make sure that if they try, it is successful. Then, if there is a future electoral path available for the country, we may have time to try to create a SECOND party. If the electoral path is no longer available, we have lost nothing but being chained to the collaborators.

Subotai Bahadur on January 29, 2014 at 8:21 PM

Sorry to waste you time – oh mighty one.

jake-the-goose on January 29, 2014 at 8:14 PM

See, a lot of us don’t waste valuable keyboard strokes on back & forth with that hagfish.

Lanceman on January 29, 2014 at 8:22 PM

davidk on January 29, 2014 at 8:11 PM

Beta. Would piss his thong even thinking of attending boot camp.

Bishop on January 29, 2014 at 8:23 PM

See, a lot of us don’t waste valuable keyboard strokes on back & forth with that hagfish.

Lanceman on January 29, 2014 at 8:22 PM

OK

jake-the-goose on January 29, 2014 at 8:23 PM

1/2$billion. = 10 .50cal Barretts/mile.

wolly4321 on January 29, 2014 at 8:25 PM

2 .50 Barretts per mile would do.

wolly4321 on January 29, 2014 at 8:27 PM

One question, Senator Rube:

Why would the government enforce any new illegal immigration laws when it refuses to enforce current ones?

I won’t hold my breath, moron …

ShainS on January 29, 2014 at 7:30 PM

…exactly!
and what’s with the word… “r e f o r m”?

KOOLAID2 on January 29, 2014 at 8:32 PM

here’s a brutal Coulter column

http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2014-01-29.html

Rs to be a fringe party in 10 years.

Actually, i think that’s optimistic. VA is so blue that Rs keep endorsing leftists. Latest is John Warner endorsing Mark Warner…as opposed to that ultra-right winger Ed Gillespe. /s

VA is cold stone blue. The left has an EV lock of somewhere around 240 plus

r keller on January 29, 2014 at 8:32 PM

1/2$billion. = 10 .50cal Barretts/mile.

wolly4321 on January 29, 2014 at 8:25 PM

2 .50 Barretts per mile would do.

wolly4321 on January 29, 2014 at 8:27 PM

So I guess it’s safe to say – you’re not looking for day laborers?

jake-the-goose on January 29, 2014 at 8:33 PM

I like Marco and I wish I could believe he has seen the light but I don’t trust any of them anymore.

Cindy Munford on January 29, 2014 at 8:42 PM

This isn’t an “Obama’s gone rogue” problem. This is something bigger.

I was thinking about this today while I was traveling. The major, and most influential, political donors are those who have interest in very big business.

Those very big businesses have common interests in terms of labor, wages, distribution of resources, etc.

I think that the Democrats and the Republicans are now essentially beholden to, and servicing, the interests of the same group of individuals, either directly or through the investments of those donors.

We no longer have two political parties with separate ideologies and distinct platforms. We have one political class servicing the interest of those invested in very big business.

Why else would the GOP be bending over backward to pass the agenda of the Democrats, an agenda that is beneficial only to the Democrats in terms of votes, either now or in the future, and is actually going to further marginalize the GOP, even with their own base?

The GOP is not alone in selling their souls for donor dollars or dancing to the tune of those donors. The entire political class are now lackeys to the same interests, because despite the appearance of being two separate groups of uber donors, they all share the same interests in the final analysis, so naturally they support the same sort of environment in the richest economy on the planet. Citizens, the rule of law, the constitution, legal immigrants, the value and nature of citizenship, national sovereignty itself all mean nothing in the face of ravening ambition and ferocious greed.

thatsafactjack on January 29, 2014 at 8:43 PM

So I guess it’s safe to say –you’re not looking for day laborers? jake-the-goose on January 29, 2014 at 8:33 PM

I’m a landscaper in Tucson. I am day labor.

wolly4321 on January 29, 2014 at 8:47 PM

I’m a landscaper in Tucson. I am day labor.

wolly4321 on January 29, 2014 at 8:47 PM

Oh ok – I love Tussan,, best landscaping in the nation.

jake-the-goose on January 29, 2014 at 8:50 PM

Senator Sessions Warns House GOP: Immigration Bill Is Bad Politics And Bad Policy.

Sessions fighting for American citizens, legal immigrants, and the rule of law.

thatsafactjack on January 29, 2014 at 8:58 PM

The poor old GOP, they are so stupid that they don’t seem to realize, or care, about one important thing, winning elections and getting and/or staying in power. The Democrats are lucky, they just keep giving free stuff to their base to insure loyalty. The GOP, on the other hand, has a base that pays for all these goodies for freeloaders. I’m trying to think of a really snappy campaign slogan or bumper sticker that makes paying for millions more people a great idea but so far I got nothing. Does anyone think those donors are going to keep paying?

Cindy Munford on January 29, 2014 at 9:01 PM

Giving amnesty to millions of illegals is the height of lawlessness. Obama, Rubio, Paul Ryan and the rest of the amnesty cronies are perfect for each other.

FloatingRock on January 29, 2014 at 9:15 PM

You see that’s the f*cking problem. When you start putting people into tribes, then you get Tammany Hall. You’ll never beat the Democrats at that. It has to be about the land of opportunity to prevail, not the land of equal possessions. That’s the only way they will win long term, despite the rot from the “progressive” education system. Most people want to work for their stuff.

Unfortunately, the current Repubs are so down on their shite from the election, they don’t realize that. How many drives have they done since the election into the poor districts? How many minorities have they tried to court since then, which most definitely already have the Socon inclinations?

They’re just giving into their consultants and trying to find the easy route. If they pull this off prior to the election, you might as well make it a one party state.

specialkayel on January 29, 2014 at 9:24 PM

Plain an simple – Liar.

antisocial on January 29, 2014 at 9:27 PM

Cindy Munford on January 29, 2014 at 9:01 PM

The GOP is gambling that they can replace those of us who abandon them for passing amnesty with disaffected Democrats who are livid over ObamaCare and some of the Latino community for handing over amnesty.

The thinking must go along the lines that there is a sufficiently large number of voters who would vote GOP if only the GOP wasn’t standing in the way of those poor illegal immigrants.. uh… ‘undocumented Americans’, to replace that portion of the base that they will surely lose, many permanently, over this issue.

For me, they will lose me permanently. It makes zero difference to me whether the guy who grants amnesty to illegal aliens and tramples on the rights of citizens and legal immigrants, tramples the value of citizenship itself underfoot, shreds the constitution, has an ‘R’ or a ‘D’ after his/her name. If the GOP is going to pursue and pass the Democrats agenda for them… I can’t find a reason to vote for the GOP…and it makes no difference who wins an election.

thatsafactjack on January 29, 2014 at 9:27 PM

thatsafactjack on January 29, 2014 at 9:27 PM

Amen brother.

specialkayel on January 29, 2014 at 9:39 PM

For me, they will lose me permanently.

thatsafactjack on January 29, 2014 at 9:27 PM

Yeah. I think I’m done with these tools too.

novaculus on January 29, 2014 at 9:44 PM

I am not yet ready to vote for Ron Paul’s son.
annoyinglittletwerp on January 29, 2014 at 7:55 PM

Ron Paul didn’t wash you out of boot camp because you are an uncoordinated dork so you couldn’t go shoot brown people you ridiculous loser. You don’t have a fraction of Ron Paul’s integrity or talent you utter failure of a human being.

For those of you that think I am being mean to poor little ALT, please recall that she has repeatedly and vociferously accused ALL Paul supporters of being anti-Semite, white supremacist racists. She has never recanted these disgusting allegations .

She then got booted from here for a spell for saying “w–backs” referring to Hispanics. The same person that has the audacity to refer to Paul supporters as racist, gets booted for racist comments . Can’t make this up.

iwasbornwithit on January 29, 2014 at 11:37 PM

iwasbornwithit on January 29, 2014 at 11:37 PM

Go back under your rock, troll.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 29, 2014 at 11:48 PM

iwasbornwithit on January 29, 2014 at 11:37 PM

Calling people an ‘utter failure of a human being’ pretty much sums you up, Sport.

Keep walking.

thatsafactjack on January 29, 2014 at 11:52 PM

iwasbornwithit on January 29, 2014 at 11:37 PM

Even if you wanted to make good points, you displayed that you weren’t born with it.

Schadenfreude on January 29, 2014 at 11:55 PM

Yeah and ALT will just keep making disgusting allegations unabated but heaven forfend someone insult her (with the truth btw).

iwasbornwithit on January 30, 2014 at 12:01 AM

iwasbornwithit on January 30, 2014 at 12:01 AM

The majority of Ron Paul supporters that I’ve met-and I’ve met many of them-ARE Jew-haters.
As for what got me banned…that comment had NOTHING to do w/ race and EVERYTHING to do w/ immigration status. I have friends that are of Hispanic ancestry that refer to illegals in the SAME way.
Are they racist too? ///

annoyinglittletwerp on January 30, 2014 at 12:05 AM

assbornwithit on January 30, 2014 at 12:01 AM

We just like her more than you.

Distusting allegations? Hope so. Like you are a jackwad? (truth, btw)

wolly4321 on January 30, 2014 at 12:11 AM

Leave it go ALT. Ain’t worth it.

wolly4321 on January 30, 2014 at 12:14 AM

manlyrash, you bailed intelligently and presciently.

Murphy9 on January 30, 2014 at 12:16 AM

So you take your extremely limited personal experience, and that’s assuming you are telling the truth, to extrapolate that “most” Paul supporters are “Jew haters”? You don’t think that’s a tiny bit irresponsible and reckless?

And your defense of your racist comment is that that’s how some Hispanics refer to each other? And that you have Hispanic friends? Is that like the “black friend” defense? Do you refer to black people as n-words too because they say that to each other? I bet not.

The fact remains that you are documented here as having been more racist than anything Ron Paul has said.

I can’t believe I actually lobbied for you to get back on here even when you post vile, defamatory comments about entire groups of people . I am quite sure you wouldn’t do the same.

iwasbornwithit on January 30, 2014 at 12:17 AM

STFU. :)

wolly4321 on January 30, 2014 at 12:31 AM

Ron paul is a anti semite nutcase.

wolly4321 on January 30, 2014 at 12:34 AM

STFU. :)
wolly4321 on January 30, 2014 at 12:31 AM

Ummm, no. Thank you though internet white knight. And GFY. :)

iwasbornwithit on January 30, 2014 at 12:34 AM

Do you still get his newsletters?

wolly4321 on January 30, 2014 at 12:37 AM

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