Paul Ryan: Under our plan, illegals will have probationary legal status while the border is being secured

posted at 3:21 pm on January 29, 2014 by Allahpundit

We’re still waiting for Boehner and the House leadership to release their new “principles” on immigration, but I think this tells us most of what we need to know.

Pay close attention at around 1:40 of the clip. Lefty Greg Sargent thinks it’s significant. I agree.

Ryan confirms GOP “principles” will include legal status for the 11 million, but he also says this will be a ”probationary status” to make sure the 11 million will not be “preferenced over people who did follow the laws.” It’s important to have confirmation that there will be a way out of the shadows. But the probationary period idea is problematic. Details will matter, but it would probably allow for people to get the right to work up front, but they could be kicked off of probationary status if certain security benchmarks aren’t met.

Advocates see this as bad policy: Why would undocumenteds step forward, if they know they can lose work status and get deported later because of nothing that they did, but only because Washington failed to decide certain metrics had been fulfilled?

However, Ryan also says the undocumented will be allowed to work as part of “probationary” status before security benchmarks are met. “You can be on probation,” Ryan says, “while the border is being secured.”

Solution: No one comes out of the shadows until the border’s secured. The status quo on legalization holds in the meantime. There’s no rational reason why a country needs to make concessions to illegals before, or concurrent with, strengthening its borders, just as there’s no rational reason to think the GOP would use the security trigger to delay legalization ad infinitum. Everyone understands the demographic realities of the last election. Everyone knows how eager the Republican establishment is to attract Latino voters. And everyone knows how gleefully Democrats will demagogue them for dragging their feet on legalization while the border saga is playing out. Left to their own devices, Republicans would legalize illegals sooner rather than later. There’s no similar reason to believe that Democrats, left to their own devices, would eventually get around to tackling the border once legalization happened.

But I digress. “Probationary” legalization while security improvements are being made is the same nonsense in the Gang of Eight proposal, and it’s unacceptable for the same reason. Namely, in reality, there’ll be nothing probationary about it. Once “probation” is granted and illegals gain a temporary right to stay in the U.S., Congress will never muster the will to rescind that right even if the new border security efforts fall apart (or, more likely, if Obama simply refuses to carry them out). It’ll be like any other entitlement — once it’s in effect, congressional cowardice at upsetting people’s expectations will ensure that it’s with us forever. If you think the left’s immigration demagoguery is bad now, imagine what it’d be like in the summer of 2016, with border enforcement going nowhere and some Republicans in Congress whispering about canceling the conditional “probation” that was granted to illegals as a result. It’ll never happen. “Probationary” legalization is permanent legalization, period, which is why it can’t be granted until after the border’s been measurably improved. And the left will never agree to that because they don’t want the border improved; how will there be another new influx of Democratic voters over the next 20 years if the border becomes too solid to breach? They want the people here now legalized without any hard conditions and they also want to make sure that there’s not so much pressure on DHS to upgrade security that the 2045 amnesty will have to be canceled. Sounds like Boehner and Paul Ryan are going to make their dream come true.

Sargent’s also right about the path to citizenship here. Ryan mentions that there won’t be a “special” path, but near the end he imagines legalized illegals being able to apply for green cards eventually through currently existing channels, the penultimate step to citizenship. You already knew the leadership was leaning this way, but now here’s the proof. Everyone excited?


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Has a decent primary challenger shown him/herself in Ryan’s district?

NotCoach on January 29, 2014 at 3:24 PM

Drpp dead

AH_C on January 29, 2014 at 3:24 PM

“Vote Paul Ryan, Roman Catholic for Congress”

reddevil on January 29, 2014 at 3:25 PM

I think (or at least hope) this will be enough for grassroots to rise up and kill this dead before the midterms.

cdog0613 on January 29, 2014 at 3:28 PM

In other words, “probationary” amnesty. I’ll say it again, GOP. You pass amnesty, I will never vote for any Republican in any election ever again. There is no reason to do this when Obama’s numbers are tanking and you’re on the verge of retaking the Senate. Is the money from the Chamber of Commerce and the likes of Mark Zuckerberg really worth destroying your party over?

Doughboy on January 29, 2014 at 3:29 PM

GOP’s timing couldn’t be better.

And by better I mean worse.

What a bunch of numbnuts.

aquaviva on January 29, 2014 at 3:30 PM

Translation: “We don’t want to have control of the senate and aren’t real happy about leading the HOR.”

Ryan and the elites do know that this is the very lowest concern for Americans in general and not on the radar screen for their base….other than being vehemently against it.

jukin3 on January 29, 2014 at 3:30 PM

What is it with these clowns? Suffocate the rule of law in its deathbed while simultaneously blowing up the party. Idiots.

Chriscom on January 29, 2014 at 3:30 PM

The US chamber of commerce must be throwing around hundreds of millions for these establishment types to sell the country down the river. What do they care? They will have plenty of money for security guards as they guard their fortress…..

redguy on January 29, 2014 at 3:31 PM

Didn’t he win the VP slot in 2012 with popular ideas like forcing a rape victim to have her rapist child? By privatizing medicare? By allowing mentally ill to have access to guns?

Gee that Paul Ryan really has his pulse on what the American people are feeling.

TAARP on January 29, 2014 at 3:32 PM

So has anyone ever asked Idi Hussein WHY he is so proactive in keeping our border with mehico OPEN and LAWLESS ?

burrata on January 29, 2014 at 3:33 PM

What a load of garbage. No, no “probationary” (?? what’s that?) legal status while the borders are being secured. Only after the borders have been secured and an effective e-verify type system has been working for 5+ years do we consider amnesty. We have heard that one before, amnesty and then border security. Now it’s “probationary legal status” and then border security. The border security is not gonna happen.

It’s insane. What is with Paul Ryan? The Republicans don’t want amnesty, passionately. Does he go against the will of his own party? Somehow this amnesty, or earnesty, or “probationary legal status”-esty talk has to be done away with. We got to stand up and tell these Democratic infiltrators into our party like Rino Ryan that enough is enough.

Paul Ryan cheers with the Dems when Obama called for amnesty.

anotherJoe on January 29, 2014 at 3:34 PM

Didn’t we hear this in 1986, when Reagan agreed to amnesty?

JannyMae on January 29, 2014 at 3:34 PM

This is the path Hillary needs to win. I have stated I can’t see her winning, but of the GOP does that what difference will it make who the Dem candidate is.

Zomcon JEM on January 29, 2014 at 3:35 PM

Paul Ryan: Under our plan, illegals will have probationary legal status while the border is being secured

Hey Paul, what’s so hard about securing the borders BEFORE talking about probationary legal status? HUH? HUH?

timberline on January 29, 2014 at 3:35 PM

Just another reminder that the GOP is dead and that there is one party rule currently.

We simply must establish a third party.

KMC1 on January 29, 2014 at 3:35 PM

Ryan confirms GOP “principles” will include legal status for the 11 million, but he also says this will be a ”probationary status” to make sure the 11 million will not be “preferenced over people who did follow the laws.

Huh?

By definition they’ve already cut the line ahead of everyone.

Going to the back of the line means you leave our country, fill out the paperwork in your home country and go through the process like everyone else.

It means the embassy/state screens you to determine if there is employment for you or someone to sponsor you. That is after they show cause and prove that no Americans will apply for that job.

They then deny you if there is a criminal record, any record, that is besides breaking our immigration law as your first act in our country.

Gee, I wounder what amount of contributions Ryan is getting from the Chamber of Commerce and their tentacle organizations?

Marcus Traianus on January 29, 2014 at 3:36 PM

And to think I actually was thrilled when Romney selected him as has running mate. Between this, the veterans pension cuts, and other budget b.s., I’ve lost all respect for this guy. He’s a policy wonk who’s too clever for his own good (and country).

UGH!!!

TrubadorMike on January 29, 2014 at 3:36 PM

They want the people here now legalized without any hard conditions and they also want to make sure that there’s not so much pressure on DHS to upgrade security that the 2045 amnesty will have to be canceled.

2045?

And I thought congress couldn’t even think past the next election cycle…

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on January 29, 2014 at 3:36 PM

Too funny.

Where are the usual suspects telling us how we have to vote GOP no matter what to keep the DNC from winning?

Here is a question for you GOP enthusiasts – what is the point? If the GOP always increases spending, always increases gov’t and is going to give us amnesty on top of it – what is the point of voting GOP?

This is not a rhetorical question. I would like some kind of answer as to why you think it makes any difference whether the GOP or DNC is in charge.

Monkeytoe on January 29, 2014 at 3:37 PM

Paul, if you and the rest of the Vichy Republicans want so badly to be Democrats, just go ahead and jump. And, don’t let the screen door hit ya…

kingsjester on January 29, 2014 at 3:37 PM

Raul Labrador expects majority of GOP caucus to recommend against leadership’s amnesty plans

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/01/29/216214/conservatives-oppose-boehner-on.html

Jon0815 on January 29, 2014 at 3:37 PM

We knew all along that it was going to be Paul Ryan that was going to be the real traitorous scum. He needs to be stopped. And really, removed from congress, and who cares whether a Dem gets his seat. Let him run as a Dem, or primary him out of there, if at all possible.

anotherJoe on January 29, 2014 at 3:37 PM

Under the FloatingRock plan, crony politicians like Paul Ryan will be primaried out of office or lose their general election campaigns to prevent them from doing any more harm to the American people.

FloatingRock on January 29, 2014 at 3:38 PM

Shouldn’t Ryan be busy sticking it to the veterans?

viking01 on January 29, 2014 at 3:38 PM

Why should these illegal aliens get legal status even if the border is perfectly secured? They are here illegally. Rewarding them only encourages more influx of illegals.

Reminder: How Mexico Treats “Undesirable” Foreigners

Chessplayer on January 29, 2014 at 3:38 PM

Stand well away while the dying GOP takes aim at its foot and blasts away.

Cicero43 on January 29, 2014 at 3:40 PM

Snatching defeat oblivion from the jaws of victory.

I can’t believe I thought Ryan was smart.

ElectricPhase on January 29, 2014 at 3:40 PM

Arrggh
We are so screwed

cmsinaz on January 29, 2014 at 3:40 PM

I hope the GOP loses big in 2014.

And I hope idiots like Ryan are among those who lose.

With supposed allies like these, who needs enemies?

Monkeytoe on January 29, 2014 at 3:41 PM

Relax this is just the repubs grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory, nothing to see here move along.

tim c on January 29, 2014 at 3:42 PM

The fact that they even have a plan sends a clear message that they believe their constituents are irrelevant. COC whores.

antipc on January 29, 2014 at 3:42 PM

Raul Labrador expects majority of GOP caucus to recommend against leadership’s amnesty plans

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/01/29/216214/conservatives-oppose-boehner-on.html

Jon0815 on January 29, 2014 at 3:37 PM

Boehner can still screw it all up by allowing it to pass with a coalition of Dems and Republicans. He’s long since abandoned the Hastert Rule, so really it all comes down to him at this point and we know where he stands on amnesty.

Doughboy on January 29, 2014 at 3:42 PM

Snatching defeat once again

cmsinaz on January 29, 2014 at 3:44 PM

Doughboy on January 29, 2014 at 3:29 PM

DITTO !

Lucano on January 29, 2014 at 3:44 PM

From the headlines.

On a news report they said that the military is being downsized. The Army alone will have a hundred thousand less. Explain to me why we are going to import people to take jobs from those who served?

Cindy Munford on January 29, 2014 at 3:40 PM

Also, who in the world believes Pres. Pick and Chose will enforce border security when no on else has? Also, who gets to determine if the borders are secure, illegals?

Cindy Munford on January 29, 2014 at 3:44 PM

I think you used penultimate in the wrong context.

celtic warrior on January 29, 2014 at 3:44 PM

Ryan and Boehner don’t want to roll back Obama’s Leviathan, they want to control it.

This is why more and more, and especially when the Republican leadership looks at potentially controlling more of the government, that we see conservatives have less and less in common with them.

I said in 2012 that conservatives needed to send a message by not voting for Romney, now we need to make clear that if Ryan and co go forward with this that we will support third party candidates and primaries against them.

18-1 on January 29, 2014 at 3:45 PM

Aaaaaaaand Republican leaders find a way to strangle their 2014 electoral chances in the crib. Brilliant!

Take notice GOP, do this and the party is finished. I’m already of the “let it burn” crowd, if this happens, I’m done, D-O-N-E. I’ll just sit back and watch Rome burn.

jnelchef on January 29, 2014 at 3:45 PM

Moving on this type of immigration agenda will be the last straw for many Republican voters.

Here we have a nation facing tremendous economic and employment challenges. People are hurting and,as it is, nobody defends them from the onslaught.

But this is the agenda Republicans are pushing?

They are making themselves irrelevant with the voters. Their only success will be in suppressing electoral turnout.

Marcus Traianus on January 29, 2014 at 3:46 PM

Why don’t we do a probationary “universal health care” program while we work out the kinks in Obamacare too, while we are at it.

Or a probationary 25% across the board tax increase while we hammer out entitlement reform? We could even have “triggers” in there where taxes come down as we meet certain entitlement reform goals.

Monkeytoe on January 29, 2014 at 3:46 PM

Under my plan, Paul Ryan, you weasel, you will be cursed until the day you die.

VorDaj on January 29, 2014 at 3:46 PM

Can they possible believe that there will be enough Hispanic voters to compensate for the base they will lose?

Cindy Munford on January 29, 2014 at 3:47 PM

Boehner can still screw it all up by allowing it to pass with a coalition of Dems and Republicans. He’s long since abandoned the Hastert Rule, so really it all comes down to him at this point and we know where he stands on amnesty.

Doughboy on January 29, 2014 at 3:42 PM

Which is one reason (among many) why the GOP needs to lose in 2014. If not lose the house outright, at least lose seats. Which should cause Boehner’s retirement (and hopefully everyone else in the GOP leadership in the house and Senate).

A victory for the GOP in the 2014 mid-terms is a victory for liberalism.

Monkeytoe on January 29, 2014 at 3:49 PM

Well little did you know Rep Ryan that you’ve been on double secret probationary status and I want you to go back to the Delta House and tell your buddies You’re out! Finished here at Faber!

Marcus on January 29, 2014 at 3:49 PM

Can they possible believe that there will be enough Hispanic voters to compensate for the base they will lose?

Cindy Munford on January 29, 2014 at 3:47 PM

McCain himself has admitted the numbers don’t add up. So aside from $$$$$, I can’t think of any other reason they’d be doing this. Well, I take that back. I can think of one. The GOP is made up overwhelmingly of closet progressives who’ve decided to finally give a big public middle finger to their base.

Doughboy on January 29, 2014 at 3:50 PM

Paul Ryan: Under our plan, illegals will have probationary legal status while the border is being secured

Idiot.

Ukiah on January 29, 2014 at 3:51 PM

Create a Statue of Limitations citizenship track:

Register as an undocumented alien with an intent to apply for citizenship, get a government issued work permit good for 7 years. At the end of 7 years, if the UA is still interested in citizenship (and has not committed any disqualifying felonies or misdemeanors) enroll in the naturalization process like everyone else.

Two caveats: No voting rights until citizenship. UA’s who don’t register are ruthlessly deported if discovered.

And draconian fines for uncooperative employers who continue to hire illegals.

And I mean draconian…

Bruno Strozek on January 29, 2014 at 3:51 PM

“Yep, and we’re planning an IllegalCare website, where illegals will line up to sign up! It’ll be just like getting young people to sign up for ObamaCare!”

Marcola on January 29, 2014 at 3:52 PM

Behold! You were wondering how the Republicans would pull off a defeat with everything going there way… I give you Paul Ryan!

Ukiah on January 29, 2014 at 3:52 PM

Can they possible believe that there will be enough Hispanic voters to compensate for the base they will lose?

Cindy Munford on January 29, 2014 at 3:47 PM

I think the way things are, Rs know that their days are numbered and so why not cooperate with the marxists to aid and abet the destruction of America before losing their seats.

burrata on January 29, 2014 at 3:53 PM

You already knew the leadership was leaning this way, but now here’s the proof. Everyone excited?

.
Well … I am pleased to see you deriding the GOPe leadership openly throughout this post but …

… you need to step all the way OVER the line and call the GOPe out for their prioritizing a NON-ISSUE (See Gallup Priorities poll from Jan. 15, 2014) in order to please their Masters in the GOPe Donor Class (much larger and more influential than just the Chamber of Congress).

There is NO justification for “reforming” immigration when the problem is lack of enforcement of existing laws and 47 million Americans are already on food stamps.

It’s PAST time to “throw the money lenders out of the temple”, AP.

PolAgnostic on January 29, 2014 at 3:53 PM

Can they possible believe that there will be enough Hispanic voters to compensate for the base they will lose?

Cindy Munford on January 29, 2014 at 3:47 PM

No. There will be almost no new Hispanic GOP voters after an amnesty. That is pure delusion.

Current voting Hispanics aren’t going to change their vote based on this. First of all, the DNC is more pro-amnesty than the GOP and will also vote for it and it will be signed by Obama – so why would Hispanics switch their votes to the GOP based on amnesty?

Second, polls consistently show current voting Hispanics to be majority-plus fairly liberal. This is not going to change that.

Third, the 1986 Amnesty signed by Reagan did not end in any new Hispanic GOP votes, so history already proved this a loser.

As to new voters from the illegal population – there is no evidence that they are any more conservative – and lots of evidence that they are more liberal – than current voting Hispanics.

the idea that the GOP will gain any votes in the Hispanic community from an amnesty is absurd and based on no facts whatsoever.

Monkeytoe on January 29, 2014 at 3:53 PM

Would be a shame if he “fell” off that balcony.

WhatSlushfund on January 29, 2014 at 3:54 PM

As I said in the Gallup thread:

If Ryan et all cave to the Dems on amnesty it will immediately make more states tilt Democrat in simple polling, as a prime factor motivating many otherwise Dem leaning independents is their opposition to amnesty. With that off the table, they drift toward the Dems.

And amnesty would not only make a large fraction of independents move toward the Dems, but as is pretty much self-evident, it would make much of the Republican base lack enthusiasm for the Republicans, which would swell the “missing white vote.”

In the longer term, of course, amnesty would cause a dramatic increase in the number of Dem voting Hispanics, as illegals and their fertile relatives from down south, and their bountiful children, gain citizenship and vote (for the party of more amnesty & instant citizenship and redi$tribution to the low income “immigrants”).

anotherJoe on January 29, 2014 at 3:54 PM

My Kingdom for a representative that will represent Americans in DC and NOT work tirelessly for Bills for Mexican Nationals.
IS this TOO MUCH to ask ?

JayTee on January 29, 2014 at 3:54 PM

I think the Lord every day that we didn’t decide to move to that clown’s district.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 29, 2014 at 3:55 PM

Paul Ryan has become the most despicable Republican in Congress. He’s a lying sack of sh!t. He thinks we are dumb enough to believe that probationary status, once granted, can be revoked. That is how highly he thinks of us.

Mark1971 on January 29, 2014 at 3:55 PM

…illegals will have probationary legal status while the border is being secured…

AHa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

shinty on January 29, 2014 at 3:57 PM

the idea that the GOP will gain any votes in the Hispanic community from an amnesty is absurd and based on no facts whatsoever.

Monkeytoe on January 29, 2014 at 3:53 PM

so why is the GOP doing this??

Sachiko on January 29, 2014 at 3:58 PM

Sachiko on January 29, 2014 at 3:58 PM

In their big-headed naiveta, the Vichy Republicans believe that the illegals will be so grateful that they will vote Republican.

kingsjester on January 29, 2014 at 3:59 PM

I think the Lord every day that we didn’t decide to move to that clown’s district.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 29, 2014 at 3:55 PM

Why? It would give me great pleasure to vote and campaign against him. Also, as a constituent, he might actually care when you sent him a letter telling him that he’s got his head up his a$$.

besser tot als rot on January 29, 2014 at 3:59 PM

“naivete”

kingsjester on January 29, 2014 at 3:59 PM

Here’s how the GOP thinks:

1. Hispanics agree with the dems on most issues.

2. Hispanics don’t agree with the GOP on most issues.

3. Hispanics want amnesty.

4. The dems want full-blown no-strings attached amnesty.

5. We’ll agree with the dems to give Hispanics a partial amnesty.

Hispanics will be so grateful to us for passing a partial amnesty that they will overlook 1, 2, 3 and 4 above and will vote for the GOP. See – that is logic!! It can’t lose.

Monkeytoe on January 29, 2014 at 4:00 PM

so why is the GOP doing this??

Sachiko on January 29, 2014 at 3:58 PM

Generally because GOP pols are non-talent morons who couldn’t find jobs in the private sector.

besser tot als rot on January 29, 2014 at 4:01 PM

Can they possible believe that there will be enough Hispanic voters to compensate for the base they will lose?

Cindy Munford on January 29, 2014 at 3:47 PM

The Chamber of Commerce/corporate crowd has probably convinced them of this. They think the base will always come back to the GOP because, in their minds, where else can the base go? That thinking is going to bite them in the a$$.

Bitter Clinger on January 29, 2014 at 4:01 PM

Amigos – comrades – muchachos – friends, we are gathered here as an edifice of the great glory that is now vanishing before our very eyes and the intuitive feeling, based on the assumption as Mencken once proclaimed, “He who underestimates the American public will never go broke.” This is merely a small indication to behold and to perceive that which has gone way into the behind and to that which might project .. I mean go forward … out of the mouth … i mean .. the future…we’ve got to rip up the constitution so we can rip down those outdated and inconvenient borders! This is the main detergent … I mean main deterrent … upon which we have gathered our strength and to all the others who say, “What the hell did that get?” – We don’t yet know.

Clearly today we must all be gravely aware that political expediency, latino ethnicity and the Chamber of Commerce’s need for serf labor take precedence over rule of law and constitutional procedure. However you say – WTF ! – what the Hell does this mean… in relation to the tabulation whereby we must finally realize that the great reconquesta story is now being rehearsed before our very eyes, in the rise of Marco Rubio and Paul Ryan… indicating that only two-faced … I mean fork-faced … I mean bi-faced … I mean bi-polar … I mean a bi-lingual hombres can receive…the award for reconquesta, unlike Kenyan Hussein Obama whose reconquesta plans don’t drink water.

And as Miller once said in one of his great novels- what did he … that language is only necessary when bilingual communication is endangered. And you sit there bewildered, and Pinter who went further said “It is not the lack of communication, but fear of communication.” That’s what the damn thing is that we fear – communication – especially all the Spanish communication that’s even on a box of Wheaties now. Damn it! And through all this John McCain has attained, and has created for himswlf serenity, and it is only his senility that is keeping him alive in his insanity.

Moving right along in my brief remarks … … Senors y Senoritas, Ladies and Gentlemen, Peeps and Peepettes, Rulers and Ruled, the time will soon come when a first world America will outlive its usefulness. Marx, either Groucho or Karl, I can’t remember which, maybe it was both or maybe it was Harpo, once said that America is the opiate of the people. I say that when America outlives its usefulness and becomes a majority Mexican nation , then opium…will be the opiate…Ahh that’s not a bad idea… we are going to need that badly especially when all the booze runs out …

And the completely and totally unbiased and bi-partisan panel, has determined to give the grand prize to Marco Rubio and Paul Ran for their EARNESTY’S RAINBOW. Now EARNESTY’S RAINBOW is a token of these men’s genius…they told me so themselves and repeatedly … that they could change perceptions by calling their plan for knocking down those pesky borders EARNESTY …in other words, they could have been a little more specific, but rather than allude to an articulation of the mundane, they have come to the conclusion that brevity is the importance of our nation’s shallow and selfish first world existence. God damn!

Marco Rubio’s and Paul Ryan’s. EARNESTY’S RAINBOW – is a small contribution to a certain degree, since there are over seven billion people in the world today. 315 of them … million live in the United States which is a very, very small amount compared to those who will be miserable and enslaved and dying elsewhere…Well, I say that you will be on the road to new horizons, for we who live in a society where citizenship is a commodity and a politician can become a TV personality and very wealthy, it’s not easy to conform if you have any morality at all…I, I, I said that myself many years ago…

But I do want to thank la Raza…I mean the DNC … I mean the Chamber of Commerce … I mean the RNC … I mean la Raza and the DNC and the Chamber of Commerce and their wholly bought and paid for subsidiary the RNC, the organization for the $500 in affirmative action latino scholarships they’ve given out…today they took in over $5,000,000, but they do have expenses for their brilliant consultants you know, and I think that I have another appointment. I certainly hope so. I would like to stay here, but for the sake of brevity I, I must leave. I do want to thank you, and I want to thank the founding fathers for all the sacrifices they made however much they were in vain but now, most of all, and looking into the failure … I mean the future .. I want to thank Marco Rubio – acting el Presidenta of Juarez la Raza Mexiamerica and Paul Ryan – acting First Lady of Juarez la Raza Mexiamerica and also Mr. Obama – acting Pharaoh and Peeping Tom … I mean Spy Master and Drone Commander of the World – and also I want to thank Professor Irwin Corey and again, thank you. …
..

RasThavas on January 29, 2014 at 4:02 PM

besser tot als rot on January 29, 2014 at 3:59 PM

I could get in the faces of congress-things when I lived in Chicago.
Texas is…Texas.
Win.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 29, 2014 at 4:02 PM

if there’s one guy who’s taken a giant Swan dive
into a cesspool of Sh*t in the last year, even
more than Rubio, it’s this Clown

ToddPA on January 29, 2014 at 4:03 PM

Ryan confirms GOP “principles” will include legal status for the 11 million, but he also says this will be a ”probationary status” to make sure the 11 million will not be “preferenced over people who did follow the laws.”

So, it’s not rape-rape, right Paul?
Time to melt down the communication lines.

HornetSting on January 29, 2014 at 4:03 PM

The GOP is made up overwhelmingly of closet progressives who’ve decided to finally give a big public middle finger to their base.

Doughboy on January 29, 2014 at 3:50 PM

Yeah. That too.

besser tot als rot on January 29, 2014 at 4:03 PM

Paul Ryan has become the most despicable Republican in Congress. He’s a lying sack of sh!t. He thinks we are dumb enough to believe that probationary status, once granted, can be revoked. That is how highly he thinks of us.

Mark1971 on January 29, 2014 at 3:55 PM

Maybe, just maybe, he’s fooling himself with this thinking.

Bitter Clinger on January 29, 2014 at 4:03 PM

the idea that the GOP will gain any votes in the Hispanic community from an amnesty is absurd and based on no facts whatsoever.

Monkeytoe on January 29, 2014 at 3:53 PM

so why is the GOP doing this??

Sachiko on January 29, 2014 at 3:58 PM

Money. They dont need a majority to get a share the lobbying bribes.

the_nile on January 29, 2014 at 4:04 PM

So, it’s not rape-rape, right Paul?
Time to melt down the communication lines.

HornetSting on January 29, 2014 at 4:03 PM

great to hear from you.

ToddPA on January 29, 2014 at 4:04 PM

so why is the GOP doing this??

Sachiko on January 29, 2014 at 3:58 PM

I have no idea. Either they really are that delusional, or they fully intend to move even further left than they are to further woo Hispanics.

It doesn’t even make much sense from a “big donor” / big-business perspective. I don’t see how an amnesty lower labor costs. All the businesses currently employing illegal immigrants will suddenly find themselves paying things they likely are not paying right now – overtime wages, sick leave, FMLA, and the newly minted legals will be more inclined to report violations, sue, etc. So, the reality is that amnesty simply cannot lower employer costs. The status quo keeps the costs down.

Unless, and this is pure cynicism on my part, big business wants an amnesty knowing it will create an incentive for tons more illegals, which will drive wages down further.

So, I truly do not understand why the GOP pushes it so hard. It is not a crisis, it is not a problem that truly needs fixing (in the sense of passing an amnesty), there is no call for it among the base or among independent voters. There is no political reason to do it and no real financial reason.

There has to be something else going on. Perhaps a lot of GOP people accept money illegally from Mexico or Mexican nationals?

I honestly cannot fathom a logical reason for the GOP pushing this.

Monkeytoe on January 29, 2014 at 4:04 PM

Wow…. cause everything da gubRmint touches works out so well…. the war on drugs…the war on terror….education….healthcare…. NOW….. Open borders. Another train wreck started, stage-managed, and supported by Washington. The merest glance at the outside world would show that mixing immiscible peoples regularly results in strife, division, decline and, often, civil war. Coming to a theater near you. Happy New Year.

roflmmfao

donabernathy on January 29, 2014 at 4:04 PM

RNC’s Priebus: ‘General consensus’ that something big has to happen on immigration.

Ah, says who? Obama and the far left democrats???
Who want “immigration reform” (amnesty) to build another voter block.
No – what we need to do is enforce the laws on the books and re-vamp the immigration service.
Not just wave a wand and declare 11 million people citizens.
If you do it again – it won’t stop – the illegals will keep flooding in and the socialists will start
de-porting conservatives……

redguy on January 29, 2014 at 4:06 PM

re: signifigant 1:40
Yeah, yeah, DHS’s got you covered. Move along… I SAID MOVE ALONG!
Well, well. What a traitorous little p.o.s. this turd turned out to be. Oh yeah, you guys are on top of this one. B’s got your back. Uhm, just lean forward a little more.

onomo on January 29, 2014 at 4:06 PM

so why is the GOP doing this??

Sachiko on January 29, 2014 at 3:58 PM

Corporate $$$$$$

Jon0815 on January 29, 2014 at 4:06 PM

Paul Ryan: Under our plan, illegals will have probationary legal status while the border is being secured

The U.S. Border will NEVER be secure, it is a virtual impossibility. Anyone who thinks it can be secured, I invite you to review a map of the border. Both Canadian and Mexican borders please.

Secure border is a non-starter.

jake-the-goose on January 29, 2014 at 4:07 PM

In their big-headed naiveta, the Vichy Republicans believe that the illegals will be so grateful that they will vote Republican.

kingsjester on January 29, 2014 at 3:59 PM

No , Big Crony wants cheap labor.

the_nile on January 29, 2014 at 4:08 PM

Look who doesn’t want to win back the Senate in 2014. Repubs think you’re just a bunch of tools who will go to the polls for them no matter what they do.

WordsMatter on January 29, 2014 at 4:08 PM

The U.S. Border will NEVER be secure, it is a virtual impossibility. Anyone who thinks it can be secured, I invite you to review a map of the border. Both Canadian and Mexican borders please.

Secure border is a non-starter.

jake-the-goose on January 29, 2014 at 4:07 PM

Israel can.

the_nile on January 29, 2014 at 4:09 PM

Bitter Clinger on January 29, 2014 at 4:01 PM

I believe Byron York wrote an article that it already happen for Romney. We aren’t like the people voting to get free stuff, I’ll be damned if I will vote for someone to take more of my money to give to others. Especially illegals.

Cindy Munford on January 29, 2014 at 4:09 PM

so why is the GOP doing this??

Sachiko on January 29, 2014 at 3:58 PM

Corporate $$$$$$

Jon0815 on January 29, 2014 at 4:06 PM

There would be no jobs left for the white and black youth of America…..
I fear it would lead to more crime and a soaring teen birth rate.
Of course Obama will step in and throw them EBT cards and free abortions….

redguy on January 29, 2014 at 4:09 PM

In their big-headed naiveta, the Vichy Republicans believe that the illegals will be so grateful that they will vote Republican.

kingsjester on January 29, 2014 at 3:59 PM

No , Big Crony wants cheap labor.

the_nile on January 29, 2014 at 4:08 PM

Obama will say all the new illegals are federal employees and pay them $10.10 per hour……

redguy on January 29, 2014 at 4:10 PM

no no no no No NO NONONONONONONON!

Listen GOPe RINOs if you do this you will lose big in 2014. What are you doing? Stop it!

eejuts!

neyney on January 29, 2014 at 4:10 PM

the_nile on January 29, 2014 at 4:08 PM

That’s the one thing that makes me thing it won’t go through. Seems like you can pay people in the shadows a lot less than people on the books.

Cindy Munford on January 29, 2014 at 4:10 PM

Why don’t we target one of the GOP House leadership for defeat in primary? Pick one of them. Concentrate every bit of effort and resources at him. Forget the rest. Just send a message by throwing one of them out on their ass. I know Cantor has a primary opponent. He would be a good choice.

Mark1971 on January 29, 2014 at 4:10 PM

Business owners, big and small, it is time to turn in your chamber membership and tell them why…..I would demand a refund of any monies paid too. They can pack sand.

HornetSting on January 29, 2014 at 4:10 PM

You know what is going to guarantee that Republicans never win an election again.. Go hardcore against immigration reform and say disparaging words about Latinos in the process.

Illinidiva on January 29, 2014 at 4:10 PM

the_nile on January 29, 2014 at 4:08 PM

True. The Chamber of Commerce has lost its mind.

kingsjester on January 29, 2014 at 4:11 PM

So, it’s not rape-rape, right Paul?
Time to melt down the communication lines.

HornetSting on January 29, 2014 at 4:03 PM

great to hear from you.

ToddPA on January 29, 2014 at 4:04 PM

Thank you. Great to see you. :)

HornetSting on January 29, 2014 at 4:12 PM

Illinidiva on January 29, 2014 at 4:10 PM

What part of the fact that they broke into our country, don’t you understand?

What part of the word “illegal”, don’t you comprehend?

kingsjester on January 29, 2014 at 4:12 PM

The U.S. Border will NEVER be secure, it is a virtual impossibility. Anyone who thinks it can be secured, I invite you to review a map of the border. Both Canadian and Mexican borders please.

Secure border is a non-starter.

It doesn’t have to be 100% secure, just secure enough that the number of illegals who succeed in crossing is not greater than the number being deported.

Jon0815 on January 29, 2014 at 4:12 PM

That’s the one thing that makes me thing it won’t go through. Seems like you can pay people in the shadows a lot less than people on the books.

Cindy Munford on January 29, 2014 at 4:10 PM

Good point.

The GOP is horrible at arguing policy. We always argue based on the on starting premise put forth by the left. We never recast the conversation into one most people can agree with.

The GOP never takes the initiative – they follow and thus – lose.

jake-the-goose on January 29, 2014 at 4:12 PM

The U.S. Border will NEVER be secure, it is a virtual impossibility. Anyone who thinks it can be secured, I invite you to review a map of the border. Both Canadian and Mexican borders please.

Secure border is a non-starter.

jake-the-goose on January 29, 2014 at 4:07 PM

Well, that is job #1 for the federal government. Why are they doing anything else if they can’t even get past job #1? If it can’t accomplish its primary purpose, it should cease to exist.

besser tot als rot on January 29, 2014 at 4:12 PM

Ryan’s Catholic faith is getting the better of him.

HiJack on January 29, 2014 at 4:13 PM

You know what is going to guarantee that Republicans never win an election again.. Go hardcore against immigration reform and say disparaging words about Latinos in the process.

Illinidiva on January 29, 2014 at 4:10 PM

Or, the GOP could keep doing what it’s doing. Same result.

besser tot als rot on January 29, 2014 at 4:13 PM

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