Report: House GOP’s immigration principles will include special path to citizenship for DREAMers

posted at 6:01 pm on January 28, 2014 by Allahpundit

No surprise. In fact, for all the heavy breathing lately about legalization without citizenship for adult illegals, I think some variation of DREAM is all Boehner and the leadership really hope to get out of this next push. It’s too hard to convince the base that the House should compromise with Democrats to settle the issue now, once and for all, when most people expect the GOP to control the Senate next year. All they need to do right now to defang Democrats’ “you hate Latinos!” demagoguery before the midterms is pass some small-scale amnesty measure aimed at an especially sympathetic class of illegals, which means DREAM. Do that plus a serious border security bill and there’ll be no grassroots revolt.

I think?

The statement of principles criticizes the American higher education system for educating some of the world’s best and brightest students only to lose them to their home countries because they cannot obtain green cards; insists that Republicans demand that current immigration laws be enforced before illegal immigrants are granted legal status; and mentions that some kind of triggers must be included in an immigration overhaul to ensure that borders are secured first, said Republican officials who have seen the principles…

The principles say that Republicans do not support a “special path to citizenship,” but make an exception for the “Dreamers,” the immigrants brought into the country illegally as children, quoting a 2013 speech by Representative Eric Cantor of Virginia, the House majority leader. “One of the great founding principles of our country was that children would not be punished for the mistakes of their parents,” Mr. Cantor said at the time. “It is time to provide an opportunity for legal residence and citizenship for those who were brought to this country as children and who know no other home.”

Obvious risk here: If there is a grassroots revolt aimed at the DREAM push, Democrats will have a field day with the inevitable “you hate Latino children!” message. Better to pass it, Boehner probably thinks, and take his chances with the more nuanced “you hate the Latino parents of Latino children!” message instead.

Two data points for you while we’re on the subject. First, according to Pew, immigration is now 16th on the list of Americans’ top 20 policy priorities. Just 41 percent said it’s a top priority this year — exactly the same percentage who said so five years ago. There’s a lot of interest in this topic among professional politicians because of the changing electorate, but among the public itself, there’s no movement. In fact, here’s what happens when you split the results by party:

pewissue

Notice there are two immigration items there. One is “the issue of immigration,” which I take it is a euphemism for comprehensive reform including legalization, and the other is “with illegal immigration,” which I take it is more of a reference to securing the border. Even on the former question, where you’d expect a surge among liberals, Democrats top out at … 44 percent. Independents don’t break 36 percent on either question. Byron York notes that a recent Gallup poll found that when the public was asked what the nation’s most important issue is, just three percent said illegal immigration. Leave it to the GOP, at a moment when jobs and the economy are so high a priority for Americans that they operate almost to the exclusion of everything else, to start a big push to import more foreign labor.

The other data point comes from today’s WSJ/NBC poll and has to do with the timetable:

wsjdelay

There are more people who think the issue should be put off until next year than dealt with now, which, as noted above, makes sense from a Republican standpoint. No sense writing a weak bill this year when a GOP-controlled Congress can write a stronger one in 2015. But maybe that helps explain why Boehner would rather act soon: If he waits until Republicans control the Senate, the grassroots pressure on him and McConnell to deliver a truly tough bill will be tremendous. What’s the point in having both chambers, conservatives will argue, if you’re unwilling to dictate terms to Obama? The leadership wants some sort of sellout on amnesty to impress Latinos ahead of 2016 and it’s easier to defend that sellout to your base if you’re forced to deal with Harry Reid than it is if you hold all the cards. I’m still not convinced Boehner won’t decide to just bite the bullet and get the whole thing over with this year.


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Stupid Party snatching defeat from the jaws of victory once again.

rbj on January 28, 2014 at 6:04 PM

The GOPe will betray you…

OmahaConservative on January 28, 2014 at 6:04 PM

The GOP doesn’t represent us. They represent the Chamber of Commerce.

p0s3r on January 28, 2014 at 6:04 PM

Kinda funny how the establishment painted Rick Perry as some kind of open-borders nut – just to get you yahoos to throw him out of the race and make way for immigration “hawk” RomneyCare.

And now here we are – with the establishment ramming it down y’alls throats!

Hell – even Mittens will come out and endorse this – thereby sealing your humiliation.

HondaV65 on January 28, 2014 at 6:05 PM

Leave it to the GOP, at a moment when jobs and the economy are so high a priority for Americans that they operate almost to the exclusion of everything else, to start a big push to import more foreign labor.

We weren’t even allowed to talk about the deficit or spending because the GOP didn’t want to distract from the economy and Obamacare. But, I guess that doesn’t apply to granting amnesty to illegal aliens. It is clear where the GOP’s priorities are. And they are not even in the same universe as their voters’.

besser tot als rot on January 28, 2014 at 6:08 PM

NO bill should grant ANYTHING automatically.

Your here illegally, then you should have got in-line at the immigration office. If you are 30 years old, and been here since you were 5, you have been adult-enough, long enough to know you are committing a crime by staying here and costing tax payers money.

TX-96 on January 28, 2014 at 6:10 PM

The statement of principles criticizes the American higher education system for educating some of the world’s best and brightest students only to lose them to their home countries because they cannot obtain green cards;

Yup,
look at ALL those mexican Nobel Laureates,
who got educated ( and fed and clothed) for free by the USA,
only to be deported and win Nobel prizes …..for mehico :O

burrata on January 28, 2014 at 6:10 PM

Write the bill in Spanish and make every member of Congress learn to read and write in Spanish before even considering such a move…..

That is what I thought…..

Si, amigo!!!

I want a bill passed that grants 5 million dollars to every white male who is the head of a household….

redguy on January 28, 2014 at 6:11 PM

The “DREAMers” will likely be eligible to sponsor their parents who will then get citizenship.

Charlemagne on January 28, 2014 at 6:12 PM

This issue isn’t even a political hot potato: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/01/16/Gallup-Only-3-percent-of-Americans-think-immigration-reform-a-priority

GOP, leave it alone!

davidk on January 28, 2014 at 6:13 PM

The House GOP leadership should all be stripped of citizenship and deported. Then they can live and work with their true constituents, as they surely wish to.

Friggin treasonous weasel bastids … These GOP morons are pond scum wrapped in rat turds – not that that is news or anything. What I wouldn’t give to be able to tar and feather these chicken-f%#kers before they are forcibly thrown out of this nation (and hopefully blasted into orbit).

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 28, 2014 at 6:14 PM

♫ Compromise! Betrayal!

Betrayal! Compromise!

Let’s call the whole thing off…♫

viking01 on January 28, 2014 at 6:15 PM

Well, it looks like I’ll be staying home on Election Day. Thanks, Boner.

Doughboy on January 28, 2014 at 6:15 PM

What the NSA has on Boehner must be really….incarcerating.

viking01 on January 28, 2014 at 6:16 PM

DEATH RATTLE of the gop!

Disgusting traitors throw their sorry ——– out in the Primaries!!!

PappyD61 on January 28, 2014 at 6:18 PM

Republicans pass Amnesty at their own peril.

They will never…I repeat loudly, for hyperbole and effect: NEVER

get enough make-up Mexican votes, to cover the loss of American votes.

The left hates you, Boehner. wake up, idiot. You cannot buy their votes…you can only make leftists stronger.

Republicans will NEVER get more than a miniscule fraction of immigrant votes.

a5minmajor on January 28, 2014 at 6:19 PM

and this ladies and gentlemen, will be the END OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY FOR EVER!!

SDarchitect on January 28, 2014 at 6:19 PM

The House GOP leadership should all be stripped of citizenship and deported. Then they can live and work with their true constituents, as they surely wish to.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 28, 2014 at 6:14 PM

I’d trade citizenship for 1,000 illegal aliens for every 1 GOP congressman stripped of his citizenship and deported.

besser tot als rot on January 28, 2014 at 6:20 PM

They are abandoning us, their base now. So, we, in turn will abandon them in November.

olesparkie on January 28, 2014 at 6:22 PM

They are abandoning us, their base now.

olesparkie on January 28, 2014 at 6:22 PM

This isn’t abandonment. It’s a frontal assault – not only on the base but on the very idea of America and the concept of the nation-state. They should all stand trial for treason.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 28, 2014 at 6:23 PM

Here’s an idea: Sell citizenships at $50,000 a pop. Make a 10% down payment and you can get a work visa until you pay off the rest (over 10 years @ 5% interest).

myiq2xu on January 28, 2014 at 6:25 PM

I hope they go all in and grant citizenship and voting rights on day one. Why prolong the inevitible? Everyone knows La Raza will sue for full citizenship and voting rights as soon as it passes and an Obama appointed judge will rule in their favor. If the GOP is determined to commit suicide then let’s get to the business of tying this noose already.

Kataklysmic on January 28, 2014 at 6:25 PM

Behold……THE EMPTY MEXICO ACT of 2014!

And this will be the Final Amnesty needed because when 1/2 of the US is Mexican who will oppose full establishment of a greater North American Union??

Viva Welfare for all!!!

PappyD61 on January 28, 2014 at 6:29 PM

I think they need to talk about it and then talk about it some more. All we need is the minimum wage to be increased and have 20 million new Americans. Yep, that will grow the economy.

DDay on January 28, 2014 at 6:29 PM

Doesn’t matter what’s right or wrong. How does it poll and what do donors want.

wolly4321 on January 28, 2014 at 6:29 PM

There’s a lot of interest in this topic among professional politicians because of the changing electorate

Here’s a thought….enforce the borders and enforce E-verify, demographics won’t be “changing”!

Young illegals….while I feel sorry for the children, the fact remains that their parent(s) brought them here illegally. Perhaps they are more “American” than their homeland ethnicity would indicate, but those are the breaks. They will suffer the sins of the parent. As far as anchor babies, how is it breaking the family if said family heads back to their home nation, does that prevent them from taking their American citizen child with them? No, it simply means said child can come back LEGALLY at any time. It doesn’t seem to bother the wealthy Chinese women who come here to give birth SOLELY for American citizenship for their newborn, and then head back to China.

herm2416 on January 28, 2014 at 6:31 PM

“Strengthening the nation’s economy”

Republicans 75
DEMOCRATS 85
Indies 81

“Improving the job situation”

Rs 66
DEMOCRATS 81
Indies 75

And somehow, the brilliant Republicans think immigration is the ticket to winning.
For crying out loud, the Democrats in this poll have a better handle on the most important issues.

Where’s that banging-your-head-against-the-wall GIF? I need it now.

conservative pilgrim on January 28, 2014 at 6:32 PM

This is NOT a done deal, it’s a trial balloon.

We need to pop this balloon before it gets legs.

CALL your congressman, CALL your senator, tell them NO to amnesty in any form.

We can make a difference, we’ve done it in the past, we can do it now.

Rebar on January 28, 2014 at 6:33 PM

My great grandparents’ names are engraved on Ellis Island. They came with nothing. They worked and they thrived, never taking anything from anyone for any reason. I still have my great grandfather’s German to English dictionary and his citizenship paper (sic) that he cherished.

Let’s not forget that not all DREAMERs are Mexican, umm kay? A lot of DREAMERs have come here illegally from the Middle East, from enemy nations. Just gonna let them walk around doing the jihad with an EBT?

Fark you Republican Progressives.

Key West Reader on January 28, 2014 at 6:34 PM

Where’s that banging-your-head-against-the-wall GIF? I need it now.

conservative pilgrim on January 28, 2014 at 6:32 PM

The “Establishment Republicans” are a/k/a “Progressive Democrats”. They just wear a different tie. Remember that.

Key West Reader on January 28, 2014 at 6:34 PM

Let’s not forget that not all DREAMERs are Mexican, umm kay? A lot of DREAMERs have come here illegally from the Middle East, from enemy nations. Just gonna let them walk around doing the jihad with an EBT?

Fark you Republican Progressives.

Key West Reader on January 28, 2014 at 6:34 PM

Why, KWR, for Obama, that is a feature, not a bug….silly you!!

herm2416 on January 28, 2014 at 6:35 PM

Imagine they required illegal immigrants to pay back any medical bills they incurred? Like citizens have to?

TAARP on January 28, 2014 at 6:35 PM

herm2416 on January 28, 2014 at 6:31 PM

Sssh, your making way to much sense.

DDay on January 28, 2014 at 6:35 PM

Why, KWR, for Obama, that is a feature, not a bug….silly you!!

herm2416 on January 28, 2014 at 6:35 PM

http://www.iowntheworld.com came out with a story today showing Baraka’s brother Malik Hussein Obama telling Israel, “We are coming for you”. Not sure in terms of validity but just sayin’.

Key West Reader on January 28, 2014 at 6:36 PM

The needs of the few (Business Fat Cats and GOP leadership) outweigh the needs of the many (Jobless Middleclass Americans)!

Oracleforhire on January 28, 2014 at 6:38 PM

herm2416 on January 28, 2014 at 6:31 PM

Sssh, your making way to much sense.

DDay on January 28, 2014 at 6:35 PM

Every once in a while….there is a glimmer! Hee hee

KWR….yikes! But unsurprising, really.

herm2416 on January 28, 2014 at 6:38 PM

We don’t need legislation. We need enforcement.

Stoic Patriot on January 28, 2014 at 6:38 PM

Such a smart strategy. Push something Americans don’t care about, give Obama a much-needed subject change and hand him a victory before the midterms. Brilliant!!!

Jack_Burton on January 28, 2014 at 6:39 PM

truly bizarre behavior coming from the GOP…I no longer support them, I have no party representing me

DanMan on January 28, 2014 at 6:45 PM

Ah, the stupid party strikes again. Can you say, Speaker Pelosi?????

bflat879 on January 28, 2014 at 6:47 PM

Shrug. Either they’ll get voted out or we’re all just passing gas. They’re certainly not listening to us.

ElectricPhase on January 28, 2014 at 6:54 PM

Another example of why I wish Georgia would become it’s own country.

topdawg on January 28, 2014 at 6:54 PM

I do not believe the NYt. They are known to lie to push their agenda.

Freddy on January 28, 2014 at 6:54 PM

Whigs.

Bmore on January 28, 2014 at 6:56 PM

This would be a huge victory for liberals, since it is a full foot in the door for complete mass illegal alien amnesty. Just like ObamaCare was to be an important step toward single-payer.

By the way, many of these so-called “dreamers” are adults.

Shame on any so-called conservative who supports this illegal alien amnesty.

We should be enforcing our immigration laws, not disregarding them. We have those immigration laws for a reason.

bluegill on January 28, 2014 at 6:58 PM

Another example of why I wish Georgia would become it’s own country.

topdawg on January 28, 2014 at 6:54 PM

It is. =P

Stoic Patriot on January 28, 2014 at 7:01 PM

Pass illegal alien amnesty, and watch as Texas eventually becomes as blue as California.

bluegill on January 28, 2014 at 7:02 PM

The “DREAMers” will likely be eligible to sponsor their parents who will then get citizenship.

Charlemagne on January 28, 2014 at 6:12 PM

This is what drives me crazy. If we ended up accepting the “Dreamers” at least they would be educated, know English, possibly be employable so hopefully be a positive for the nation. But once they get legal the rush to bring in every uneducated, unemployable family member will be unstoppable.

katiejane on January 28, 2014 at 7:11 PM

This is NOT a done deal, it’s a trial balloon.

CALL your congressman, CALL your senator, tell them NO to amnesty in any form.

Rebar on January 28, 2014 at 6:33 PM

I received a robocall from Numbers USA today basically saying it’s time to start calling Reps.

I intend to do so on a daily basis.

lynncgb on January 28, 2014 at 7:15 PM

…I don’t think that man…has a dick!

KOOLAID2 on January 28, 2014 at 7:16 PM

This is NOT a done deal, it’s a trial balloon.
CALL your congressman, CALL your senator, tell them NO to amnesty in any form.
Rebar on January 28, 2014 at 6:33 PM

Absolutely!

bluegill on January 28, 2014 at 7:17 PM

Just f’cking dump any Republican who votes for Amnesty.

CatoRenasci on January 28, 2014 at 7:18 PM

I received a robocall from Numbers USA today basically saying it’s time to start calling Reps.
I intend to do so on a daily basis.
lynncgb on January 28, 2014 at 7:15 PM

Everybody reading this now should do the same.

Don’t fall for the defeatist, wimpy outlook of people like Allahpundit.

We can stop this devastating illegal alien amnesty, and it is time to make our voices heard.

bluegill on January 28, 2014 at 7:23 PM

I’ve got a question about DREAMERS. How do we determine when and how an illegal came here? I don’t think we can. What happens is anybody who is 30 years old or younger and “claims” DREAMER status will get it.

This is a complete sellout to big donor interests – and nothing more. There is no evidence that this issue ever gained a single vote for the GOP – and there’s a lot of evidence right now that it will lose votes.

TarheelBen on January 28, 2014 at 7:25 PM

Trial balloon goes down like the Hindenburg.

GOP responds: “Our internals show massive support from the right so we’re moving ahead on this.”

Bishop on January 28, 2014 at 7:26 PM

I agree…..POUND THE CRAP OUT OF THEM ON SOCIAL MEDIA!

Hammer them!!!

PappyD61 on January 28, 2014 at 7:29 PM

ahhhhhh for the chillren … mean while 2,600+ human beings didn’t make it to childhood TODAY thanks to the GubRmint slice’n & dice’n that goes on in abortion clinics….. guess they was on the wrong path to citizenship …..huh

roflmmfao

donabernathy on January 28, 2014 at 7:29 PM

What happens is anybody who is 30 years old or younger and “claims” DREAMER status will get it.

100% correct. I personally know some adults in their 30s who have already been given permanent residency via Obama’s “deferred action for DREAMers.”

DavidW on January 28, 2014 at 7:30 PM

I started the calling/ emails/ social media earlier today.

Attach links on your social media comments so those that are not paying attention can see what you are talking about.

Amnesty could also spell the end of Ted Cruz in the Senate if Texas goes blue.

PappyD61 on January 28, 2014 at 7:32 PM

And the DemonRats in 3-2-1:


Oh, we can’t leave those poor little babies here in the U.S. alone, without their loving parents, cousins, aunts, uncles, Grandparents, closest friends, casual acquaintances, and …!

Jaibones on January 28, 2014 at 7:33 PM

But once they get legal the rush to bring in every uneducated, unemployable family member will be unstoppable.

katiejane on January 28, 2014 at 7:11 PM

I already see this happening to a disconcerting extent. People sponsor and bring in parents and grandparents from Venezuela, Colombia, Guatemala, wherever. When these relatives are 65 or older they get full Social Security and Medicare despite never having paid a dime into the system.

DavidW on January 28, 2014 at 7:37 PM

And now here we are – with the establishment ramming it down y’alls throats!

HondaV65 on January 28, 2014 at 6:05 PM

Said the clown who voted for Obama, thanks for forcing him down our throats.

V7_Sport on January 28, 2014 at 7:37 PM

After the massive illegal alien amnesty in the 80s, which Pres. Reagan later greatly regretted, Republicans actually received a lower percentage of the Latino vote than Reagan did before the amnesty.

There is no great desire among voters for illegal alien amnesty. Latino friends I talked to are so against it, and I sometimes really wonder who these supposed Latino voters are that news agencies are polling.

Illegal alien amnesty would eventually be suicide not only for the Republican Party, but for the nation as well.

bluegill on January 28, 2014 at 7:41 PM

Illegal alien amnesty would eventually be suicide not only for the Republican Party, but for the nation as well.

bluegill on January 28, 2014 at 7:41 PM

Remember who runs the White House. It ain’t Barack – it’s ValJar, The Iranian. Has anyone even thought to run demographics on these “DREAMERs”?

I think it’s kinda raciss to think that all these DREAMERs are just Mexicans. I think they’re also Middle Eastern.

/Can’t git yer Mo-bro’s in? Use yer pen-n-phone. Nobody’s gonna say or do a thing. This kinda stuff is legal now.

Yo.

Key West Reader on January 28, 2014 at 7:46 PM

“Call your Rep. that will stop it”. Yeah, like it has stopped this same old same old, dead in its tracks to never be heard from again, year after year.

The way to stop this non sense from Pubs. is to vote them all out in the General election. So, we end up with Dems. So what? That’s what we have now. Pubs. who govern like Dems. At least we will have the satisfaction of not keeping the filthy blastards in office to keep screwing us without so much as a kiss on the cheek.

I read daily here on HA and other blogs how the conservative is not going to ever vote for a RINO again. I have heard that old song and dance too many times, only to see you go to the polling place and pull the lever for the RINO who hates your fkg guts. I think it will happen again in 2014 and 2016. You will fall for the lies all over again from the RINOS who suddenly get conservative. They know it and that’s why they treat you like crap. Until you show them you have changed and will no longer follow like sheep, you will continue to get the RINO shaft. It’s time to put up or shut up.

they lie on January 28, 2014 at 7:50 PM

What the NSA has on Boehner must be really….incarcerating.

viking01 on January 28, 2014 at 6:16 PM

More than likely it’s the other way around. Boehnor is a Trojan Horse Dem who is using what HE knows to attack anyone who will not “go his way.” And HE has dirt from the NSA to get everyone around him to conform.

It’s a rigged game.

May the odds be ever in your favor.

Myron Falwell on January 28, 2014 at 7:56 PM

they lie on January 28, 2014 at 7:50 PM

Again, it’s a rigged game. The politicians all win handsomely, we all lose.

Myron Falwell on January 28, 2014 at 7:59 PM

You f***ing people. We have no jobs in this country. We have no money in this country, we have too many people in this country. Do citizens a favor, and for once, follow the law and deport these criminals. That is what happens in every other country in the world. We can’t afford to give these criminals amnesty. We can’t afford to fork out more government assistance to 50 million criminals. Deport them, kids and all, and then fix all the welfare, and social security fraud. You’ll find that if you follow the law, like you expect us citizens to do, you’ll start seeing an increase in your bottom line.

F_This on January 28, 2014 at 8:03 PM

We don’t need “comprehensive” immigration reform, we need small steps:

Border security
Comprehensive visa and border control and tracking

After we are able to control all border crossing and reliably track visitors, then we should phase back in temporary worker visas

Once those are in place and producing results, then we can turn inward to deal with visitors/immigrants who here illegally. Dealing with them before we control the borders is just a band aid that will result in this same problem 20 or so years from now.

SouthernRoots on January 28, 2014 at 8:13 PM

We can all kiss whatever is left of the Constitution good-bye once legalization takes place. First to go will be 1st and 2nd, especially 2nd. Then entire thing will be ritually burned, on live TV.

riddick on January 28, 2014 at 8:25 PM

The Eric Cantor Plan: Come to America illegally and we will make sure your kids are given citizenship.

DaMav on January 28, 2014 at 8:33 PM

Old or young-THEY ARE ILLEGAL! Deport them all!

redware on January 28, 2014 at 8:33 PM

I started the calling/ emails/ social media earlier today.

Attach links on your social media comments so those that are not paying attention can see what you are talking about.

Amnesty could also spell the end of Ted Cruz in the Senate if Texas goes blue.

PappyD61 on January 28, 2014 at 7:32 PM

And all others who said the same . BRAVO , BRAVA !
Smoke the wires ….it’s all they understand .
Ok , so chalk off southern US to ice …….. ( yes the bastards will )
Keep calling !

Lucano on January 28, 2014 at 8:44 PM

Well, it looks like I’ll be staying home on Election Day. Thanks, Boner.
Doughboy on January 28, 2014 at 6:15 PM

I’ll do you one better- I’m voting dem. at least ill be able to send the RINO packing & with no noticeable voting record difference to boot.

frank on January 28, 2014 at 9:13 PM

All they need to do right now to defang Democrats’ “you hate Latinos!” demagoguery before the midterms is pass some small-scale amnesty measure aimed at an especially sympathetic class of illegals, which means DREAM. Do that plus a serious border security bill and there’ll be no grassroots revolt.

Bullshit.

They have no idea what will be coming their way if they do this.

And it will be biblical in scale.

Midas on January 28, 2014 at 9:28 PM

Time to follow the example of the citizens of Ukraine, I’m afraid. There’s simply no alternative left.

Midas on January 28, 2014 at 9:28 PM

A key dataset about the California DREAM Act:

20,000 eligible Americans are being waitlisted every year for the University of California and state college system (LA Times, 2010), while 6000 “DREAMers” get financial aid and affirmative action admission preferences (Contra Costa Times, 2013) to get in their place.

The DREAM Act: Americans get waitlisted so illegals can get educated.

kd6rxl on January 28, 2014 at 9:36 PM

So Rs cave again to the Dems. Why? No backbone.

American cannot afford open borders, period. Sen. Lindsay Graham doesn’t want a “lesser” – he feels sorry for them Guest what, Senator, THEY BROKE THE LAW. Everyone who came here prior to the 1960s had to come in legally. Sure, there were some who didn’t, but millions? NO 30,000,000-40,000,000. I’m tired of Americans being made to feel guilty for our success and generosity. We cannot do it forever with no return.

The law is the law. You break the law, you pay.

Fix the border first, nothing else. Why? The Dems are close to destroying this nation – amnesty will make it final. The only long-range plus is after we fail, they won’t want to come here anymore but the system will have been destroyed.

Call Boehner: Congressional switchboard # 202-224-3121

MN J on January 28, 2014 at 9:36 PM

The statement of principles criticizes the American higher education system for educating some of the world’s best and brightest students only to lose them to their home countries because they cannot obtain green cards;

Ever been in a college lecture hall with an instructor whose English is so bad thgat you cannot understand him/her? If you’ve been to college you’ve probably been through this.

bw222 on January 28, 2014 at 9:39 PM

GOP: Owned by the Chamber of Commerce, lock, stock, and barrel.

batter on January 29, 2014 at 12:08 AM

If “Profiles In Courage” were being written today, neither Boehner, nor McConnell, would have entries.

Another Drew on January 29, 2014 at 2:47 AM

Once again, the source is NYT. Who supposes the reporters with the best sources inside GOP leadership are NYT, WaPo, and Talking Points Memo, which is where these stories appear?

Also, it is a big mistake to refer to immigration enforcement issues as “border” problems. The border is important, but is only a small part of the overall problem. More illegals arrived here legally and just never went home, either as day visitors or on student, work, or tourist visas which expired.

It is essential to enforcement that we institute visa tracking to ensure those whose visa is nearing expiration leave on time, and universal e-Verify to stop the use of phony SSNs and other ID for employment. These steps will work, but Obama cannot be entrusted to implement them.

~~~

Immigration is a problem which needs work, and solutions will have to recognize there is no practical way to deport 12 million people here illegally who do not wish to be found. BUT it cannot be one “comprehensive” bill, improved enforcement must come first and be proved to be working before more can be considered. And that can only happen with a Republican President, Senate, and House.

Adjoran on January 29, 2014 at 4:44 AM

The statement of principles criticizes the American higher education system for educating some of the world’s best and brightest students only to lose them to their home countries because they cannot obtain green cards

Such a load of hogwash. This is not a problem.

Republicans demand that current immigration laws be enforced before illegal immigrants are granted legal status; and mentions that some kind of triggers must be included in an immigration overhaul to ensure that borders are secured first, said Republican officials who have seen the principles…

No triggers. Just no legal status period. Enforce the borders, enforce immigration laws. In 10 or 20 years, if there are still a lot of illegals here, but we have reduced the flow and reduced the number by actually enforcing the borders and immigration laws, then we can talk about legal status. tying legal status to a “trigger” is a con. The “trigger” will be declared met, the illegals will be given legal status, and we will not see any enforcement. No deal. This is amnesty. Anyone who claims it is not is an idiot.

The principles say that Republicans do not support a “special path to citizenship,” but make an exception for the “Dreamers,” the immigrants brought into the country illegally as children, quoting a 2013 speech by Representative Eric Cantor of Virginia, the House majority leader. “One of the great founding principles of our country was that children would not be punished for the mistakes of their parents,”

that was not a founding principal of this Country. Why do you pro-amnesty assholes have to lie to make your argument? Ever ask yourselves that? Just like the liberals – always having to lie – never able to just make an argument because there is no argument.

Also, stop pretending “amnesty” is citizenship. That is also another lie. Amnesty is ANY legal status for illegals. You are trying to change the definition so you can give an amnesty and say you didn’t. Stop LYING. Just stop. If you can’t make an honest argument for your position than you position is wrong.

Seriously – who doesn’t understand this concept? If you must lie to try and sell your preferred policy, how can you believe it is the correct policy? Wouldn’t a correct policy be something you can sell on its merits without lying?

Monkeytoe on January 29, 2014 at 8:45 AM

Once again, the source is NYT. Who supposes the reporters with the best sources inside GOP leadership are NYT, WaPo, and Talking Points Memo, which is where these stories appear?

As much as I dislike most of these media entities and their bias, they are almost always correct about this kind of inside baseball stuff when they report it.

do you doubt that the GOP establishment wants to pass amnesty?

Monkeytoe on January 29, 2014 at 8:52 AM

The principles say that Republicans do not support a “special path to citizenship,” but make an exception for the “Dreamers,” the immigrants brought into the country illegally as children, quoting a 2013 speech by Representative Eric Cantor of Virginia, the House majority leader. “One of the great founding principles of our country was that children would not be punished for the mistakes of their parents,”

And another thing – we scoff at the left’s constant refrain of “do it for the children” because we don’t believe that the gov’t is responsible for raising children or that the Gov’t owes anyone anything by virtue of their being born.

So, this idea that we are “punishing” anyone for “the mistakes of their parents” is absurd. We are not punishing them. What we are doing is not rewarding them for the crimes of their parents.

If a man is a successful bank robber and has a lot of money, enabling his family to live in splendor, then gets caught, do we say “don’t take away all of the money and fine things he amassed b/c it would be punishing his children who are accustomed to live in this lifestyle? After all, taking away the assets will leave the children destitute, so we should not do that. No. Those children are not entitled to the ill-gotten gains of their bank robber father. So why are the children illegally brought here by their parents to be rewarded? Because it’s “not their fault”?

I understand it is not their fault, but what message does rewarding these children send? It says – people who want to immigrate here illegally: DO IT. BRING YOUR CHILDREN. YOUR CHILDREN WILL BE REWARDED IF YOU BRING THEM HERE ILLEGALLY.

Another analogy. Say I own a cabin in the woods that I only use for a week or two out of the year. Say a poor family with young children trespasses and squats in that cabin for a few months, then I find them there. Do I only kick out the parents and allow the children to continue living in my cabin? No. That’s silly.

So, why is this different?

The whole idea of “just” granting the children legal status is absurd. What – we are going to then kick their parents out of the country? How do minor children have legal status but not their parents? Since the children are applying for the legal status, they are clearly identifying their parents as illegals and you know we will not go arrest and deport the parents. So that becomes a de facto legal status, and the next step is obviously to say “we can’t separate families – we MUST give legal status to the parents”. And then, why not to everyone else? Why are the people who successfully snuck their kids in better than the childless illegal immigrants?

It is a camel’s nose under the tent trick. It is a way to end-run objections to amnesty by playing on people’s sympathies.

Monkeytoe on January 29, 2014 at 11:10 AM

The principles say that Republicans do not support a “special path to citizenship,” but make an exception for the “Dreamers,” the immigrants brought into the country illegally as children, quoting a 2013 speech by Representative Eric Cantor of Virginia, the House majority leader. “One of the great founding principles of our country was that children would not be punished for the mistakes of their parents,”

that was not a founding principal of this Country. Why do you pro-amnesty assholes have to lie to make your argument? Ever ask yourselves that? Just like the liberals – always having to lie – never able to just make an argument because there is no argument.

Also, stop pretending “amnesty” is citizenship. That is also another lie. Amnesty is ANY legal status for illegals. You are trying to change the definition so you can give an amnesty and say you didn’t. Stop LYING. Just stop. If you can’t make an honest argument for your position than you position is wrong.

Seriously – who doesn’t understand this concept? If you must lie to try and sell your preferred policy, how can you believe it is the correct policy? Wouldn’t a correct policy be something you can sell on its merits without lying?

Monkeytoe on January 29, 2014 at 8:45 AM

I remember well in Thomas Paine’s Common Sense the arguments about punishing children for parents’ mistakes. And the arguments back and forth at the constitutional convention about whether or not we should punish children for their parents’ mistakes. Not to mention the arguments put forth in the Federalist Papers regarding children punishment for parental errors. And the inspiring and flowery language of the Declaration of Independence or even the Constitution itself where it declares: “From this day forth, let no child be punished for his parents’ mistake”.

As the Redcoats marched on Bunker Hill looking for the children of wrongdoing parents and the rebels of the colonies hid those children away, to protect them from the injustice, praying for a country where children could go unpunished for their parents’ mistakes.

It brings a tear to the eye. Also, don’t forget that America was also founded on the premise that “all immigrants could come to America no matter what and become citizens”. Why, it says so on the Statue of Liberty. So, America can’t even have borders or immigration laws. It’s right there in the Declaration, Constitution, etc.

Monkeytoe on January 29, 2014 at 11:17 AM

It is a camel’s nose under the tent trick. It is a way to end-run objections to amnesty by playing on people’s sympathies.

Monkeytoe on January 29, 2014 at 11:10 AM

In the legal profession there is a saying “bad facts make bad law”. This means that judges will write bad decisions – creating whole new legal concepts – to get a result to help a sympathetic plaintiff. In other words, for instance, some person is really badly injured but there is no legal basis for them to recover against someone with a lot of money. So, the judge invents a way. The person who was driving the car home from work has no money, so we’ll allow you to sue the employer, who does have money. After all, the employee wouldn’t be driving anywhere if he did not have a job. So now, in this hypothetical (not so hypothetical, CA supreme Court just ruled this way) employers everywhere have to pay the costs of their employers car accidents – even if it had nothing whatsoever to do with the employment. This is a cost to society all so that the judge can salve his conscious by helping a sympathetic plaintiff get some money.

This concept applies equally well to illegal immigration. Yes, the plight of children of illegals can be sad. But, “solving” it by granting them legal status is still bad policy.

The plight was brought on them by their parents, not by the U.S. or its citizens. The U.S. is not responsible for these children – their parents are. Plenty of people are born into bad situations – is it the job of the U.S. gov’t to “fix” all of those situations? If not, why is it the U.S. gov’t’s job to fix the plight of illegal immigrant children?

Bad facts make bad law because instead of reason, people use emotions to make decisions and those decisions lead to all kinds of bad consequences.

Monkeytoe on January 29, 2014 at 11:25 AM

These people take it upon themselses to make decisions regardless of what the voters. Because they know better.

RdLake on January 29, 2014 at 3:57 PM