Scarborough: The worst thing the GOP could do before the midterms is pass immigration reform

posted at 4:01 pm on January 27, 2014 by Allahpundit

Via John Nolte, a rare moment of hope for border hawks that the coming sellout might not happen after all. If even Morning Joe, who hosts the establishment’s favorite political chat show, thinks it’s a bad idea to move on amnesty now, maybe even the moderates in the GOP caucus will think twice. The argument for standing pat is compelling: Turnout among casual voters is always much lower during the midterms than it is during presidential election years. As such, the supposedly inevitable electoral blowback from Latinos (who’ve traditionally turned out at low rates) over congressional paralysis on immigration is more likely to strike in 2016. That gives Republicans two more years to worry about amnesty. It’s conservatives whom the party needs to turn out in November and there’s arguably no surer way of alienating those voters than with a big immigration sellout now. Why not put the whole thing off until next year, when Republicans will (probably) control the Senate and can write a tougher bill — theoretically — than they could now with Harry Reid?

And yet, per the Journal, it sounds like they’re ready to do it anyway:

House leaders hope to bring legislation to the floor as early as April, the people close to the process said, after the deadline has passed in many states for challengers to file paperwork needed to run for Congress. Republican leaders hope that would diminish chances that a lawmaker’s support for immigration bills winds up sparking a primary-election fight…

Legislation being drafted would reject a “special path” to citizenship for illegal immigrants, which was included in the Senate bill, the people familiar with the process said. But it would grant legal status for all illegal immigrants who meet qualifications, allowing them to work and travel without fear of deportation.

The legislation under development also would allow this group to tap into existing paths, available to any newcomer, to gain permanent legal residence, also known as a green card. Once someone has a green card, they are eligible to apply for citizenship.

At the same time, the legislation would make substantial changes to immigration law to clear impediments from those existing paths. Without those changes, illegal immigrants would face big backlogs and requirements that they return to their home countries before applying for a green card.

Don’t put too much stock in the timeline there. Byron York interviewed a bunch of House Republican leaders to see if it’s true that the leadership might try to pull a fast one after the primaries. The consensus seems to be no, for the simple reason that this issue is already on conservatives’ radar. If the big fear is that the base will stay home in November in protest of an immigration deal, then waiting a few months to do it won’t achieve anything. On the contrary, Boehner et al. should prefer to do it as quickly as possible in hopes that memories will fade by election day. If you believe GOP Rep. Mike Coffman, the Speaker himself seems to agree, saying, “There’s no good time to do it, so let’s just get it done now.” More interesting to me are the details above about the leadership rejecting a “special” path to citizenship while at the same time doing everything they can to put newly legalized illegals on an accelerated path to citizenship through “normal” channels. If you’re going to make illegals eligible (at some point in the future) for green cards and you’re going to streamline the process so that they don’t face the backlogs that they do now, why not go ahead and create a special citizenship path? Sounds like the difference between the two is largely semantic, a way to reassure conservatives that the party hasn’t given illegals any breaks even while they’re busy revamping the immigration system to fast-track them.

Here’s the new editorial from NRO echoing Scarborough’s (and Bill Kristol’s) call for the House GOP to do nothing on immigration. I don’t think that’ll happen. They’ll pass a border security bill, I assume, and some sort of smaller concession to Latino voters like the Kids’ Act just to make sure it’s not too easy for Democrats to demagogue them before November. Remember, though: All of these calculations will change instantly when the new Congress is seated in January. There’s no way that the party will risk the next presidential election without some sort of wider amnesty. The only mystery is whether there’ll be a single candidate in the Republican field in 2016 who opposes the idea. Cruz might, to woo tea partiers. But he’ll be the only one.


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Scarborough: The worst thing the GOP could do before the midterms is pass immigration reform.

To put a timing on it is Goebellian.

They fool no one.

Schadenfreude on January 27, 2014 at 4:02 PM

Tar and feathers, man. Tar and feathers.

Vanceone on January 27, 2014 at 4:03 PM

The “leaders” of the Republican Party are determined to make sure the GOP goes the way of the Wigs.

Warner Todd Huston on January 27, 2014 at 4:04 PM

There’s no way that the party will risk the next presidential election without some sort of wider amnesty. The only mystery is whether there’ll be a single candidate in the Republican field in 2016 who opposes the idea. Cruz might, to woo tea partiers. But he’ll be the only one.

Them, and all here who’re fro amnesty, are traitors to the land, the children and those who immigrated legally.

Schadenfreude on January 27, 2014 at 4:04 PM

Scarborough: The worst thing the GOP could do before the midterms is pass immigration reform

No. Obamacare-lite is worse, but don’t worry. They’ll do both.

ElectricPhase on January 27, 2014 at 4:05 PM

If amnesty passes Pelosi will be the most deserved Speaker in Jan. 2015 and Hillary, or de Blasio/Booker will be the most deserved president in Jan. 2017.

The GOPe and all their traitorous supporters will deserve the hell they’ll find themselves in.

Schadenfreude on January 27, 2014 at 4:06 PM

snatching defeat….

squishes

cmsinaz on January 27, 2014 at 4:06 PM

obama is the luckiest 2-years old in the world, by his stupid ‘opposition’ party.

Schadenfreude on January 27, 2014 at 4:07 PM

I assume Boehner is a Cincinnati Bengals fan. During the past few decades, there has been no franchise more adept at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Maybe, as a result, Boehner simply can’t help himself make this colossal screw up.

BuckeyeSam on January 27, 2014 at 4:08 PM

The border topic is stupid and should not be propagated.

No matter how many laws are on the books, or will get passed on it, the borders are open and will always be so.

Schadenfreude on January 27, 2014 at 4:08 PM

Maybe when we have an administration that will enforce all aspects of an immigration bill and not take the amnesty and then forgo all enforcement…not that President “i have a phone” would do that…

rgranger on January 27, 2014 at 4:08 PM

Mika is a perfect mime, always.

Schadenfreude on January 27, 2014 at 4:09 PM

autoplay = evil

Imrahil on January 27, 2014 at 4:09 PM

Before even considering “Immigration Reform,” our “elected leaders” should:

ENFORCE CURRENT U.S. LAWS AGAINST ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION!

wren on January 27, 2014 at 4:12 PM

We know a majority of the Democrat Party is insane. Now I’m beginning to wonder about the GOP establishment.

Viator on January 27, 2014 at 4:13 PM

It’s conservatives whom the party needs to turn out in November and there’s arguably no surer way of alienating those voters than with a big immigration sellout now.

Pretty much. I don’t know what it’s going to take for the GOP elites and their idiot strategerists to figure this out. You’d think they would’ve taken a hint from the last time they tried to ram amnesty down our throats. It depressed turnout in 2006 and 2008 and nearly ended McCain’s candidacy before he emerged from a nearly non-existent field. And if they need a more recent reminder of how toxic this issue is, just ask Marco Rubio about his 2016 Presidential prospects.

Does the Republican Party really need to squander a better than 50/50 shot to retake the Senate this November to finally get the message? The problem there of course is if they ram through amnesty, they’ll not only not win back the Senate in 2014, but they’ll likely lose the White House in 2016(keep dreaming if you think the base will forgive them after one election cycle), and energize the third party movement in a way they can’t even imagine.

Doughboy on January 27, 2014 at 4:14 PM

why in the world would they want to give obama a talking point to deflect from obamacare before the elections…

they are idiots if they think this is going to help them with the latino vote…

cmsinaz on January 27, 2014 at 4:14 PM

If the Republicans were smart they would take up legislation that would do the following:

1) Slightly streamline the citizenship process for legal aliens who have been productive members of American society (ie paying taxes or at least not getting government aid of some kind)

2) Implement severe penalties for business and individuals that knowingly hire illegals.

Let the Democrats kill “immigration reform”…because #2 would hit the governing class and their allies hard. And for #1 these are the people that you actually want as immigrants anyway.

18-1 on January 27, 2014 at 4:17 PM

The only mystery is whether there’ll be a single candidate in the Republican field in 2016 who opposes the idea. Cruz might, to woo tea partiers. But he’ll be the only one.

This is true. Even Paul seems wishy washy on this. It’s amazing. As awful as the ’12 candidate field was, almost all of them at least presented strongly against amnesty.

cdog0613 on January 27, 2014 at 4:18 PM

The second worst thing they can do is pass an Obamacare fix.

Whoops, looks like they’re all over that too.

The third worst thing they can do is … well, they’re likely caucusing on that right now. Maybe it will be to support the nomination of Jeb Bush in 2016.

In any event, with the way the GOP feels about the Tea Party, we know how those IRS hearings will go, and don’t hold your breath looking for real Republican support for appointing a special prosecutor to look into it.

Nomennovum on January 27, 2014 at 4:19 PM

Auto-play makes everything horrible.

Hayabusa on January 27, 2014 at 4:20 PM

why in the world would they want to give obama a talking point to deflect from obamacare before the elections…

they are idiots if they think this is going to help them with the latino vote…

cmsinaz on January 27, 2014 at 4:14 PM

Some of them are idiots. Most of them are sellouts. They’re doing it because the Chamber of Commerce and their fat cat donors are demanding it. Apparently they think the base will just show up and vote no matter what. I guess the 4 million who sat home in 2012 was an anomaly.

Doughboy on January 27, 2014 at 4:20 PM

Does the Republican Party really need to squander a better than 50/50 shot to retake the Senate this November to finally get the message

The Republican leadership doesn’t want to roll back Obama’s Leviathan…they want to control it.

So if the choice is energize the tea party and start driving the agenda towards reducing the scope and scale of government or lead the Republican rump minority for a few cycles they will take the latter.

And consider this…in 2008 after the original amnesty betrayal the Republican party got almost all of the conservative base on board for amnesty shill McCain. And in 2012 the party got most of the conservative base behind Mitt Romneycare.

They have reason to believe that they can do anything and still count on conservatives to vote for them by being just a shade to the right of the Democrats…

18-1 on January 27, 2014 at 4:20 PM

Immigration and ObamaGlitch-Lite

Now there’s a winner for the GOPe! Do ‘em and see what happens.

And autoplay sucks.

Meople on January 27, 2014 at 4:22 PM

How well did Reagan’s 1986 Amnesty do for the Republican Party?

portlandon on January 27, 2014 at 4:22 PM

My republican/rino/establishment “dead to me list grows each and every day”.

If they pass anything that even resembles legalization/amnesty and not “enforcement and the elimination of anchor babies”, they can write off the rest of the conservative wing of the party.

De Oppresso Liber on January 27, 2014 at 4:22 PM

The only mystery is whether there’ll be a single candidate in the Republican field in 2016 who opposes the idea. Cruz might, to woo tea partiers. But he’ll be the only one.

This is true. Even Paul seems wishy washy on this. It’s amazing. As awful as the ’12 candidate field was, almost all of them at least presented strongly against amnesty.

cdog0613 on January 27, 2014 at 4:18 PM

They presented being strongly against amnesty, but they were just kidding.
So desperate for money and to be liked, they are willing to sell out our sovereignty to the uneducated dependent class instead of the best and brightest.
Do they really think a class of government funded parasites are going to vote for them?
Do the sneaking into any other country and see how quickly you get the boot.
We are governed by idiots.

AllahsNippleHair on January 27, 2014 at 4:27 PM

And consider this…in 2008 after the original amnesty betrayal the Republican party got almost all of the conservative base on board for amnesty shill McCain. And in 2012 the party got most of the conservative base behind Mitt Romneycare.

They have reason to believe that they can do anything and still count on conservatives to vote for them by being just a shade to the right of the Democrats…

18-1 on January 27, 2014 at 4:20 PM

That’s simply not true. There were a ton of conservatives who stayed home in both 2008 and 2012. And even worse in 2008, there were more than a few traditionally Republican voters who crossed over to pull the lever for Obama. Sure, some of that was due to the historic nature of his candidacy, but don’t think for a second that the leftist tendencies of McCain didn’t make that an easier decision for some.

At least with Romney, those disaffected Republicans weren’t crazy enough to vote for Obama again. But millions of them were fine with sitting out 2012 even if it meant 4 more years of Dear Leader. The GOP needs to get the message. If they’re going to blur the lines between themselves and the Dems to such a degree that we almost can’t differentiate between the two, then the Dems will win every single time.

Doughboy on January 27, 2014 at 4:27 PM

This will be the end of the republican party.

txag92 on January 27, 2014 at 4:30 PM

Scarborough is a lunatic liberal, but, he is correct. HOWEVER, the lunatic AMNESTY liberals in the GOP, Boehner, Ryan, Cantor, Flake, Rubio, et al, have already said that they will wait until the day AFTER the election to ram this sh*t through.

Pork-Chop on January 27, 2014 at 4:31 PM

Oh boy. You know it’s bad when Joe Scarborough is the voice of reason for Republicans.

Why not put the whole thing off until next year,

Yes, keep the facade going until after the mid-terms in order to get a few more Rs elected, then lose it all for 2016! Brilliant!

The Republicans can pass this bill or any form of amnesty, and then have the pleasure of losing their base.

conservative pilgrim on January 27, 2014 at 4:31 PM

If even Morning Joe, who hosts the establishment’s favorite political chat show…

As Allah himself likes to say … C’mon. Scarborough may be a candy-ass RINO, but his stupid show isn’t anyone’s favorite…is it?

Jaibones on January 27, 2014 at 4:33 PM

Whigs

Bmore on January 27, 2014 at 4:35 PM

the day AFTER the election to ram this sh*t through.

Pork-Chop on January 27, 2014 at 4:31 PM

No, n-n-n-n-n-n-no, they didn’t. They said the day after the primaries end. That’ how sleazy-craven-dishonest they are. The rational move for conservatives right now seems to be an organized campaign to promise a vote against every single House Republican who doesn’t publicly condemn Boehner and Ryan’s amnesty deception.

Jaibones on January 27, 2014 at 4:37 PM

Auto-play makes everything horrible.

Hayabusa on January 27, 2014 at 4:20 PM

Are you using Chrome?

Jaibones on January 27, 2014 at 4:38 PM

They’ll pass a border security bill, I assume, and some sort of smaller concession to Latino voters like the Kids’ Act just to make sure it’s not too easy for Democrats to demagogue them before November.

You’re probably right but my prediction is that the GOP will stay away from the term “path to citizenship.” That has become polling poison. Not in small part thanks to Marco Rubio.

Happy Nomad on January 27, 2014 at 4:40 PM

AP I disagree…at least about 2016.

I doubt Latinos will decide the 2016 election either, even more, I don’t think Amnesty will be the big driver of votes in 2016 even among Latinos. Now maybe in 2024, and beyond. Who knows?

The point is if you are a border hawk you should be happy to delay this, hopefully postpone forever, and if you are for a more open immigration policy, or should I say a functioning immigration policy, you should also be for delay as well until after 2016.

It is critical (or at least the theory goes) if you are a defender of immigration reform (and a republican, etc.) that a Republican president be seen as the one who accomplished it. The last thing you would want is Obama taking credit for it. That almost assures that leftist propaganda will paint Obama as the “great emancipator of Latinos”, or some such nonsense (I am sure they have a slogan already made), and will continue to beat us over the head with it.

In other Republicans will get no credit, one way or the other, if Obama is president when immigration reform goes down.

The worse thing the GOP can do now is pass immigration reform before 2014 or 2016 and give Obama a great victory, play into Democrat propaganda that Democrats forced those nasty conservative to see the light, and to top it off create a massive civil war in the GOP. What stupidity. No matter what side of the coin you are on with this, now is not the time.

William Eaton on January 27, 2014 at 4:42 PM

If Hussein wants to do amnesty by his fatwa,
why are the Rs rushing to do it legally ?
Whichever way amnesty for illegals happens, by fatwa or by Congress,
the results will be the same.
So why do Rs want to rush in ?
Let the country burn , let Hussein take credit for it .

burrata on January 27, 2014 at 4:42 PM

As such, the supposedly inevitable electoral blowback from Latinos (who’ve traditionally turned out at low rates) over congressional paralysis on immigration is more likely to strike in 2016.

This is funny.

Because, Latino’s otherwise vote GOP.

Idiots. I hope the GOP loses huge in 2014.

If I want a big spending, amnesty passing, entitlement enacting party – I want the DNC. If we are going to do this b.s., let’s do it big. Let’s do it the DNC way.

Why should I favor a slightly less DNC party like the GOP? If we are going to get the same things, I want to vote for the party that is going to go bigger on all of them.

Monkeytoe on January 27, 2014 at 4:44 PM

Scarborough is a lunatic liberal, but, he is correct. HOWEVER, the lunatic AMNESTY liberals in the GOP, Boehner, Ryan, Cantor, Flake, Rubio, et al, have already said that they will wait until the day AFTER the election to ram this sh*t through.

Pork-Chop on January 27, 2014 at 4:31 PM

Yeah, there’s a brilliant idea. Then they can spend the next two years leading up to the 2016 election trying to win back their p-ssed off base(in vain, I might add) instead of running against the disaster of the Obama Presidency.

Doughboy on January 27, 2014 at 4:45 PM

Via John Nolte, a rare moment of hope for border hawks that the coming sellout might not happen after all. I

I am sick of Allahpundit referring to people who believe immigration laws should be enforced as “hawks”, as if it is an especially hawkish position to want the law enforced. The term “hawk” implies particular aggressiveness. When given the facts, an overwhelming majority of Americans strongly oppose illegal alien amnesty.

Also, not passing amnesty is good news for the country, not just good news for so-called “border hawks.”

There’s no way that the party will risk the next presidential election without some sort of wider amnesty.

-pro-amnesty Allahpundit

Wonderful. Allahpundit is telling us that Republicans must pass illegal alien amnesty and he implies that, for Republicans’ sake, wider amnesty should be done for political reasons. Allahpundit seems like a defeatist eeyore who reacts out of fear and lacks principles. Allahpundit seems so blasé about conservative issues; you almost have to wonder why he is even here writing about them.

The truth is that passing mass illegal alien amnesty (which would encourage even more illegal immigration) would eventually prevent a conservative from ever again being elected president.

The only mystery is whether there’ll be a single candidate in the Republican field in 2016 who opposes the idea. Cruz might, to woo tea partiers. But he’ll be the only one.

Then Cruz will be the only one worth voting for.

It is pathetic how Allahpundit suggests that a candidate’s opposing illegal alien amnesty would only appeal to the tea party. Allahpundit seems totally out-of-touch with people across the country. I wonder how often he gets out of New York City or how many years he has lived outside of New York City.

bluegill on January 27, 2014 at 4:45 PM

The rational move for conservatives right now seems to be an organized campaign to promise a vote against every single House Republican who doesn’t publicly condemn Boehner and Ryan’s amnesty deception.

Jaibones on January 27, 2014 at 4:37 PM

We’re learning in Virginia that such statements are meaningless. The new Dem AG who rode in with a 900 vote lead thanks to Dem fraud to include “finding” boxes of ballots, suddenly decides that he can’t support the Commonwealth’s prohibition on gay marriage. This all despite a totally different view of the law when the slimy bastard was running for the office. Were I not so nice, I’d wish that somebody would firebomb his house or that activated road flares somehow made it into the back seat of his car.

Happy Nomad on January 27, 2014 at 4:46 PM

Do they really think a class of government funded parasites are going to vote for them?

They’ll get 30%of 20M new voters! That’s almost 7M new Republican voters.

Of course they ignore the fact that the other 13M will vote D and that they’ll lose some number of conservative voters too…

18-1 on January 27, 2014 at 4:46 PM

why in the world would they want to give obama a talking point to deflect from obamacare before the elections…

they are idiots if they think this is going to help them with the latino vote…cmsinaz on January 27, 2014 at 4:14 PM

Some of them are idiots. Most of them are sellouts. They’re doing it because the Chamber of Commerce and their fat cat donors are demanding it. Apparently they think the base will just show up and vote no matter what. I guess the 4 million who sat home in 2012 was an anomaly.

Doughboy on January 27, 2014 at 4:20 PM

If that idiot Boehner and “the House Leadership” bring any form of an Immigration reform bill to the floor—they ARE APPARENTLY IDIOTS. And I’ll be the first in line to sign the recall petitions.

Rovin on January 27, 2014 at 4:49 PM

That’s simply not true.

The Republican leadership lost votes in 2008 and 2012 due to running left of center candidates (my own included in 2012) but not enough to phase them. I don’t see how you can argue this is not true.

In my opinion the right-o-sphere should have announced that if Romneycare won the primaries they would not vote for him and then proceed to do so.

If you saw a third party candidate to the right of Romney getting double digits in 2012 would we be having discussions about Republicans “fixing” Obamacare or passing amnesty right now?

18-1 on January 27, 2014 at 4:49 PM

After all, there is a Whigging Federalisting to do.

There is a reason why I call El PRL the descendants of the Federalists instead of the descendants of the Whigs – unlike the Whigs, which promptly started what has morphed into El PRL when the Whig Party went under, the Federalists joined the Rats when the Federalists went under.

Steve Eggleston on January 27, 2014 at 4:51 PM

Quit calling it “immigration reform” in headlines. This is all about mass illegal alien amnesty. “Immigration reform” is such a broad term that helps amnesty proponents hide the truth of what they’re trying to do.

It would be like always referring to Obamacare as the “Affordable Care Act.”

And before Allahpundit says that if I don’t like it, I can go somewhere else, I will tell him I’ve been at this site since the beginning, when the bloggers were still conservative, and I’m not going anywhere; the conservative readership and commenters are really what make this site.

Shame on any so-called conservative who supports illegal alien amnesty.

bluegill on January 27, 2014 at 4:52 PM

Build the dang fence…..

redguy on January 27, 2014 at 4:53 PM

If you saw a third party candidate to the right of Romney getting double digits in 2012 would we be having discussions about Republicans “fixing” Obamacare or passing amnesty right now?

18-1 on January 27, 2014 at 4:49 PM

If that had happened, we’d be hearing from the GOP elites about how those wacko bird conservatives and Tea Partiers handed another term to Obama. Instead they’re left with egg on their face after getting their moderate, electable Republican on the ballot only to see him get his ass kicked.

Doughboy on January 27, 2014 at 4:56 PM

To clarify, I am saying that the other commenters here are the real reason why I still love to read this site. That is the reason why I’m not going anywhere. I get so much from reading their comments.

bluegill on January 27, 2014 at 4:56 PM

Scarborough: The worst thing the GOP could do before the midterms is pass immigration reform

Joe makes sense about once a month, but not to worry, Joe will be all for amnesty a minute after the midterm elections are completed.

RJL on January 27, 2014 at 4:57 PM

Instead they’re left with egg on their face after getting their moderate, electable Republican on the ballot only to see him get his ass kicked.

Hell, even Romney knew he couldn’t win. Arguably the only man in the Republican field that was true of.

18-1 on January 27, 2014 at 5:03 PM

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TeaPartyNation on January 27, 2014 at 5:14 PM

the supposedly inevitable electoral blowback from Latinos (who’ve traditionally turned out at low rates)

Yep. And for some RINOS, you’d think the sky is falling if something isn’t done right NOW!

Let’s DO something! Like start DEPORTING them!

GarandFan on January 27, 2014 at 5:15 PM

It’s just the dumbest possible idea.

1. It angers the base. Independents don’t like it either. Even legal immigrants oppose amnesty.

2. Whatever enforcement measures are included will be ignored by Obama. We cannot trust him to enforce the law.

3. It distracts attention from ObamaCare, Iran, and the economy. We should be talking about those things and the IRS and Benghazi scandals, but nothing else, through November.

~

I still won’t discount the idea it is a bluff designed to blunt whatever sharp criticism Obama might bring in SOTU if we announced “no bill this year.” Keeping it on the burner may keep him civil on the subject – or if he is in all out attack mode, we can use that to refuse to be bullied.

Adjoran on January 27, 2014 at 5:17 PM

These GOP blockheads don’t have an iota of a clue what’s going to hit them when they decide to go ahead and screw their constituents, do they.

lynncgb on January 27, 2014 at 5:21 PM

There’s no way that the party will risk the next presidential election without some sort of wider amnesty.

Amnesty is simply suicidal for the GOP, whether they do it now, or before 2016.

Conservatives will abandon them in *biblical* droves, and if the newly minted illegals are allowed to vote, they will vote for Democrats in *biblical* droves.

The GOP will be second only to Moses’ pharaoh buddy in looking around afterwards going, “holy f*ck, what just happened?”

Midas on January 27, 2014 at 5:36 PM

The only mystery is whether there’ll be a single candidate in the Republican field in 2016 who opposes the idea. Cruz might, to woo tea partiers. But he’ll be the only one.

It depends on how poorly constructed and thought out the plan will be. And, if I know the GOP, and I do, it will be terrible. I put the odds at 50/50 that both Christie and Bush end up running against whatever congressional GOP comes up with.

besser tot als rot on January 27, 2014 at 5:39 PM

The GOP has become as big an obstacle to the advancement of a conservative agenda as the Socialist Progressive Democrats.Both must be opposed,the former must be destroyed to defeat the latter.

redware on January 27, 2014 at 5:46 PM

The Republican retreat, held at the Hyatt Regency in Cambridge, Md., runs Wednesday through Friday this week, and will also feature presentations about immigration reform, “connecting with hardworking Americans,” and “real healthcare reform.”

It’s a trap.

Fallon on January 27, 2014 at 5:47 PM

Auto-play makes everything horrible.

Hayabusa on January 27, 2014 at 4:20 PM

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Jaibones on January 27, 2014 at 4:38 PM

It is not the reader’s responsibility to make the site presentable.

James on January 27, 2014 at 6:48 PM

The GOP could pass amnesty and this Speaker would be outpointed by Dems because it didn’t include a path the the presidency.

Hell, they could pass unfettered abortion and the Dems would say it didn’t go far enough and most women under 35 would agree.

So they might as well stick to principles and take their chances.

BKeyser on January 27, 2014 at 6:53 PM

Scarborough: The worst thing the GOP could do before the midterms is pass immigration reform.

To put a timing on it is Goebellian.

They fool no one.

Schadenfreude on January 27, 2014 at 4:02PM

You are on the money! The Republican leadership has sold out to K Street.

tomshup on January 27, 2014 at 7:02 PM

Wouldn’t it be a great message to target one for defeat- say Paul Ryan since he seems to be the rinos rising star. If he gets through the primaries we conservatives vote for his opponent in the general & take him out. Message being: you’re next if you vote for amnesty.

One seat won’t tip the balance but I think it would send a big message that we can, and will, target anyone we want if they go off the reservation.

Thoughts?

frank on January 27, 2014 at 7:09 PM

The GOPe and all their traitorous supporters will deserve the hell they’ll find themselves in.

Schadenfreude on January 27, 2014 at 4:06 PM

I do not believe the GOP old guard sees minority status as hell. Actual governing is hard work and they don’t seem to have any core principles worth the effort it would take to get them passed anyway.
As the minority they could just put up token resistance to the Democrats, not really much more effort than just showing up, and get by. The media would treat them better too.

If they don’t make too many waves or just “go along to get along” as a previous GOP leader said, the Democrats will throw them a bone occasionally to impress the folks back home so they can have a long career while enjoying Washington perks and then retire comfortably.

Nomas on January 27, 2014 at 7:12 PM

OK – I get that autostart videos are designed to get people ready for autostart video commercials. Please don’t.

worldtvlr on January 27, 2014 at 7:31 PM

It’s conservatives whom the party needs to turn out in November and there’s arguably no surer way of alienating those voters than with a big immigration sellout now

…understatement of the decade!

KOOLAID2 on January 27, 2014 at 10:45 PM

The honest, hardworking Mexicans can show us how honest and hard-working they are by reading our immigration laws and then following them … like other non-Mexican immigrants.

A rare moment of lucidity by Scarborough, supported by his Vanna White, Mika.

virgo on January 28, 2014 at 12:10 AM

Scarborough: The worst thing the GOP could do before the midterms is pass immigration reform

Well, as my high school football coach used to say, “Even a blind hawg finds an acorn sometimes.”

GFY, Scarborough.

TxHotGas on January 28, 2014 at 8:01 AM

If it weren’t for daddy, Mika would, at best, be on the sales floor at Macy’s.

Decoski on January 28, 2014 at 8:03 AM

[...] if they ram through amnesty, they’ll not only not win back the Senate in 2014, but they’ll likely lose the White House in 2016(keep dreaming if you think the base will forgive them after one election cycle), and energize the third party movement in a way they can’t even imagine.

Doughboy on January 27, 2014 at 4:14 PM

The Whigs fractured because they could not address the issues of the day. If the Republican party can’t either, then they will too.

If they can’t pull it together and win in 2016, then there is no use for them.

Voyager on January 28, 2014 at 9:17 AM