Quotes of the day

posted at 8:31 pm on January 25, 2014 by Allahpundit

President Obama has told Senate Democrats he expects Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) to pass immigration reform this year, defying predictions the issue is dead for 2014…

“He said we’re then all going to have a challenging conversation,” Kaine added. “He said it was more likely than not the House would do something.”…

“I think our Republican colleagues realize that to be blocking immigration reform is not good for them,” Schumer added.

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Most people close to the planning expect votes on four bills by the end of the summer, including one that would give undocumented workers legal status

Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), speaking to local chambers of commerce in San Antonio Thursday, peeled back the curtain on the plans, saying Republicans must help illegal immigrants “come out of the shadows and reintegrate into society.” That would include requiring immigrants learn English, civics, pay taxes and pay a fine — a process that is sure to be decried by opponents as amnesty…

Also, the party is now crafting language that would seek to force President Barack Obama to enforce the totality of any law passed. Republicans say they don’t trust the president after he has unilaterally waved parts of the health care law.

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“If you are against the fastest-growing voting bloc in the country, you and your party don’t have a future,” Bloomberg said flatly at a forum on immigration with Michigan Republican Gov. Rick Snyder and former Commerce Secretary Carlos Gutierrez, who served in President George W. Bush’s administration…

Rep. Mike Coffman, R-Colo., who met with Boehner earlier this month, said the speaker is “very committed to getting it done and getting it done this year. He quoted Boehner as saying, “There’s no good time to do it, so let’s just get it done now.’”

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Legislation being drafted would reject a “special path” to citizenship for illegal immigrants, which was included in the Senate bill, the people familiar with the process said. But it would grant legal status for all illegal immigrants who meet qualifications, allowing them to work and travel without fear of deportation.

The legislation under development also would allow this group to tap into existing paths, available to any newcomer, to gain permanent legal residence, also known as a green card. Once someone has a green card, they are eligible to apply for citizenship.

At the same time, the legislation would make substantial changes to immigration law to clear impediments from those existing paths. Without those changes, illegal immigrants would face big backlogs and requirements that they return to their home countries before applying for a green card.

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“The question is, are Democrats willing to kill legalization without a special path to citizenship?” said Alfonso Aguilar, executive director of the Latino Partnership for Conservative Principles, which supports immigration reform.

Aguilar pointed to a Pew Hispanic Center poll last month that which found 61 percent of immigrant Latinos believe ending deportations is more important than a path to citizenship.

If Democrats oppose a Republican offer to legalize most undocumented immigrants under the belief that Latino voters will blame the GOP, Aguilar said, “that could backfire.”

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Bloomberg, Snyder and Gutierrez said Congress should act on immigration reform even if Republicans won’t agree to the full-scale overhaul that Obama wants. Once a new system is in place, they said, tweaks could more easily be made in future years

Frank Sharry, executive director of America’s Voice, said advocates would not be able to judge Republican principles without full details of legislation, but he said they might be open to a legal status for immigrants that was not the so-called “special pathway to citizenship” that conservative abhor.

“One can imagine a House no-special-path architecture that meets our principles,” he said.

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The immigration reformers that deal directly with the White House remain hopeful the president will take unilateral action if it becomes clear there will be no congressional solution.

“As far as I’m concerned, we have the next five months to get something done, and if nothing gets done, it will be an issue that needs to be addressed by the president,” said Eliseo Medina, the longtime union activist who organized the Fast for Families tents outside the Capitol late last year.

At last week’s Cabinet meeting, Obama kicked his all-by-myself theme into high gear, saying 2014 would be a year of executive actions and orders to advance his agenda wherever he can.

“We are not just going to be waiting for a legislation in order to make sure that we’re providing Americans the kind of help that they need,” Obama said. “I’ve got a pen and I’ve got a phone — and I can use that pen to sign executive orders and take executive actions and administrative actions that move the ball forward.”

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In effect, Boehner, Cantor, McCarthy, and Ryan are hoping that Obama will keep enforcement promises once all the illegal aliens have received an immediate amnesty, in a change from all prior experience.

“Hope and change” duped enough voters to send Obama to the presidency. Apparently, it has now snookered the House GOP leadership into trying to save his floundering presidency.

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Legalization without citizenship would split the base and offer few political dividends with the center. The driving force behind many Republicans’ skepticism about an immigration deal is not a fear that illegal immigrants will be granted citizenship; it is a worry that legalization will be traded for empty promises of enforcement. Legalization without citizenship, then, may be too clever by half: It sounds like an equitable splitting of the difference, but it misses the real point of concern for many Americans.

The Obama administration’s cavalier use of executive authority gives many on the right good reason to fear that any promises of enforcement will be broken faster than the president’s guarantee that if you like your health plan you can keep it. Further, the Obamacare rollout has been one example of bureaucratic incompetence after another; what are the odds that new immigration-enforcement rules, which will probably fall far below Obamacare on the president’s list of priorities, will be smoothly applied?

In addition to demoralizing many in the base, legalization without citizenship would probably open Republicans up to further attacks from the left. The same activists, lobbyists, and opportunists who denounce any effort at immigration enforcement as “xenophobic” would, the day after any legalization was signed, turn around and attack Republicans as the party of the anti-immigrant Know Nothings for their opposition to granting citizenship, too. Legalization without citizenship would give Democrats a wonderfully polarizing issue for 2014 and 2016. As Frank Sharry, the executive director of America’s Voice and a tireless advocate for “comprehensive immigration reform,” said recently, “reform without citizenship . . . would create a permanent underclass that harkens back to the darkest times in American history.” (Sharry also pledged over the summer to “kick” the posteriors of Republicans if they dared to stop the president’s immigration agenda.) Moreover, while anything can happen in Washington, it is highly likely that legalization without citizenship would eventually lead to citizenship, and most political observers know it. Legalization without citizenship would thus be another set-piece of Beltway Kabuki.

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There will be an attempt to describe Speaker Boehner’s “piecemeal” collection of immigration bills as an “enforcement first” arrangement that will prevent another, future illegal wave despite the incentive created by what will be two successive amnesties. Since Democrats and Latino groups would never go for an actual “enforcement first” approach–e.g., enacting universal E-verify, an exit-entry system, building a fence and waiting a few years for legal challenges to peter out**–this claim will necessarily be a fraud, the framing of which will be a key challenge for Boehner & Co.. Presumably just saying “Hey we passed the enforcement part of the bill a week before we passed the amnesty part” won’t do, nor will letting President Obama decide when the enforcement mechanisms are sufficiently “in place.” That means a convoluted debate over “triggers,” the traditional playground for legislative legerdemain.*** Legalizers will try to make the prequisites look tough when they aren’t — certainly nothing that can’t be easily dismantled once the undocumented get their documents. Do not count on the press to correct this misimpression. They’re in the “fool the rubes” camp too…

It’s a sellout. That’s a term I don’t use lightly. Certainly there are plenty of idealistic, principled advocates of “comprehensive immigration reform” — including true believers in open borders, advocates of immigrants’ rights, and ethnic champions. Even the employers who are providing the financial muscle behind the amnesty push may sincerely think spoiled American workers just aren’t cutting it anymore, that the economy needs better, cheaper, hungrier immigrants — heaven forbid responsible corporatist roundtablers should have to actually train those spoiled Americans.

But why are the politicians abandoning the economic interests of the country’s basic laborers, and the strong anti-amnesty convictions of their own constituents (in the case of most Republicans), and doing it at such an objectively inauspicious time? It’s hard to deny that cash is doing much of the swaying here. “[A]ll the money is on the side of pushing it,” one pro-amnesty Democratic Congressman boasted–money in the form not only of direct campaign contributions, as promised by Mark Zuckerberg ($50 million) and the Chamber of Commerce, but also future consulting contracts and lobbying positions for those who echo the line that Republicans just have to do this to remain viable. In any case, that latter argument–’We’re not doing it for the money. We’re doing it to save our political hides!’–isn’t exactly an appeal to principle either, is it?

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House conservatives crafting their own immigration proposal to vie with a document Speaker John Boehner is poised to release as the GOP’s position on the issue are focusing on enforcement of current laws and providing economic assistance to unemployed Americans before providing legal status to illegal immigrants, officials with knowledge of the deliberations said…

“A couple sets of alternative immigration principles are circulating, putting emphasis on getting Americans back to work before bringing in thousands of guest workers and on enforcing current laws before passing additional ones that the Administration won’t enforce,” the aide told Breitbart News in an email. “Many are concerned about executive overreach and selective enforcement of existing laws. There is also concern that immigration proposals are moving away from the intent of the Constitution and are establishing long term problems.”

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In return for making life easier on the debt ceiling for the House leadership, Speaker Boehner should make his own concession: He should announce that he will not bring any immigration legislation to the floor this session. If there’s one thing that could blow up GOP chances for a good 2014, it would be an explosive debate over immigration in the House. The only sure way to avoid such a debate is not to let anything onto the floor in the first place. Once even an innocuous-sounding measure gets passed, then the pressure to go to conference with the loathed Senate bill will be great. And whatever ultimately were to happen, activists would spend months worrying about and agitating against a betrayal by the leadership, business interests would spend months urging such a betrayal, and Republicans would be consumed by infighting and recriminations on an issue that does them no short-term political good. Bringing immigration to the floor insures a circular GOP firing squad, instead of a nicely lined-up one shooting together and in unison at Obamacare and other horrors of big government liberalism. Since there really is no need to act this year on immigration, don’t. Don’t even try.

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Via Breitbart.


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I have a question: Assuming the house passes some form of amnesty – who will you support in 2016 with that issue off the table? Will anyone who voted for it be permanently in the doghouse? Leaving the field clear for Governors?

kcewa on January 26, 2014 at 1:11 AM

No one who votes for amnesty will ever be out of Hell. They need to learn the hard way.

Schadenfreude on January 26, 2014 at 1:12 AM

This american experiment is still in it’s infancy, it has alot of growing up to do, we are due a change, but will it be the change we all want?

We aren’t gonna like where this country is headed…

I read somewhere the progession and downfall as a nation goes from one stage to another, but can’t remember it for the life of me now!

Scrumpy on January 26, 2014 at 1:13 AM

I read somewhere the progession and downfall as a nation goes from one stage to another, but can’t remember it for the life of me now!

Scrumpy on January 26, 2014 at 1:13 AM

1. From bondage to spiritual faith;

2. From spiritual faith to great courage;

3. From courage to liberty;

4. From liberty to abundance;

5. From abundance to complacency;

6. From complacency to apathy;

7. From apathy to dependence;

8. From dependence back into bondage ”

- Alexander Tytler

Lanceman on January 26, 2014 at 1:15 AM

I read somewhere the progession and downfall as a nation goes from one stage to another, but can’t remember it for the life of me now!

Scrumpy on January 26, 2014 at 1:13 AM

Gibbon and the Roman Empire?

viking01 on January 26, 2014 at 1:15 AM

Does that give you the option to play the videos? I think that’s the only difference.

kcewa on January 26, 2014 at 1:06 AM

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Flashblock 1.5.17 does.

noscript” is a little more restrictive, and I only started using it today, so my experience with it is limited.

But with Flashblock, all video windows show up on a freshly loaded webpage with a ‘triangular arrow’ in the middle of the video window.

If you want to play anything, just click on that arrow in the middle of the video window.

That’s how it is with hotair, youtube, and my weather-radar-in-motion sites.

listens2glenn on January 26, 2014 at 1:15 AM

As the Tacoma Narrows and Tay Bridge remind us and square windows on the DeHavilland Comet.

viking01 on January 26, 2014 at 1:06 AM

…Eggs-Actly……though the Tacoma Narrows Bridge was a Reeealy Good demonstration of how well Airfoils worked and exactly what constitutes the Design of an “airfoil”……….we used to have that clip on a repeating monitor in the hallway of the Physics building at school……

williamg on January 26, 2014 at 1:15 AM

kcewa on January 26, 2014 at 1:11 AM

Doghouse for anyone who votes for it.

Scrumpy on January 26, 2014 at 1:15 AM

7. From apathy to dependence;

8. From dependence back into bondage ”

- Alexander Tytler

Lanceman on January 26, 2014 at 1:15 AM

Thank you, Lm – only one to go :(

Schadenfreude on January 26, 2014 at 1:16 AM

…….we used to have that clip [Tacoma Narrows] on a repeating monitor in the hallway of the Physics building at school……

williamg on January 26, 2014 at 1:15 AM

And that poor fellow running from his car to the shore like it’s Groundhog Day?

viking01 on January 26, 2014 at 1:16 AM

SparkPlug on January 26, 2014 at 1:05 AM

….: )……. you’re the best, Sparky!

williamg on January 26, 2014 at 1:17 AM

1. From bondage to spiritual faith;

2. From spiritual faith to great courage;

3. From courage to liberty;

4. From liberty to abundance;

5. From abundance to complacency;

6. From complacency to apathy;

7. From apathy to dependence;

8. From dependence back into bondage ”

- Alexander Tytler

Lanceman on January 26, 2014 at 1:15 AM

Thank You!! That’s it!! I have to keep that :)

Scrumpy on January 26, 2014 at 1:17 AM

….: )……. you’re the best, Sparky!

williamg on January 26, 2014 at 1:17 AM

We should pay Sparky, for all the smiles.

Schadenfreude on January 26, 2014 at 1:17 AM

Awright … I’m outta’ here. A blessed night’s sleep to all (except 3rd shift workers).

listens2glenn on January 26, 2014 at 1:17 AM

Thank you, Lm – only one to go :(

Schadenfreude on January 26, 2014 at 1:16 AM

That idiot Bradky called it melodramatics once. And then had the gall to call me out for a typo in his name. Ah Bradky. HA’s original troll.

Lanceman on January 26, 2014 at 1:18 AM

Nite l2g

Schadenfreude on January 26, 2014 at 1:19 AM

That idiot Bradky called it melodramatics once…

Lanceman on January 26, 2014 at 1:18 AM

Yet, they call an idiot like obama “complex”.

Schadenfreude on January 26, 2014 at 1:20 AM

viking01 on January 26, 2014 at 1:15 AM

Roman Empire certainly went through the motions didn’t it!

Scrumpy on January 26, 2014 at 1:21 AM

Rome lasted way longer than the US will.

Schadenfreude on January 26, 2014 at 1:21 AM

listens2glenn on January 26, 2014 at 1:17 AM

Good Night L2G!! God Bless

Scrumpy on January 26, 2014 at 1:22 AM

listens2glenn on January 26, 2014 at 1:17 AM

Good Night L2G!! God Bless

Scrumpy on January 26, 2014 at 1:22 AM

I like it when either Pat or Stu do Owlgore.

“The earth has a feeverrr…”

Lanceman on January 26, 2014 at 1:23 AM

Roman Empire certainly went through the motions didn’t it!

Scrumpy on January 26, 2014 at 1:21 AM

Yep, and their illegal invaders were called goths but they didn’t have shoe-black hair, eye-shadow, jeans, t-shirts, shoes, and mega-piercings.

viking01 on January 26, 2014 at 1:24 AM

Sorry ’bout the strike-out instead of quote…..

viking01 on January 26, 2014 at 1:25 AM

Schadenfreude on January 26, 2014 at 1:21 AM

When you think about the complexities of forming a brand new way to govern, instead of following the way every other country did it, I have such a deep admiration of the American founders for doing what they did.

They did what no other country did, and I hazard that no other one will ever again.

America IS a stand alone nation, her people have fallen asleep, and it is so sad to see her going away and becoming somthing she was never intended to be…

Makes me weep…

Scrumpy on January 26, 2014 at 1:26 AM

Yep, and their illegal invaders were called goths

viking01 on January 26, 2014 at 1:24 AM

That’s because they were visible. Hence visi-goths…

Lanceman on January 26, 2014 at 1:26 AM

That idiot Bradky called it melodramatics once…

Lanceman on January 26, 2014 at 1:18 AM

Palin used to set him off like nitroglycerin….

viking01 on January 26, 2014 at 1:27 AM

That’s because they were visible. Hence visi-goths…

Lanceman on January 26, 2014 at 1:26 AM

… and the ostro-goths which O’Barky thinks spoke Ostrian.

viking01 on January 26, 2014 at 1:28 AM

Palin used to set him off like nitroglycerin….

viking01 on January 26, 2014 at 1:27 AM

One thing about Bradky is he fancies himself an intellectual.

Lanceman on January 26, 2014 at 1:29 AM

viking01 on January 26, 2014 at 1:24 AM

And to think how many times the UK was invaded and taken over, not leaving hardly a true Brit alive, save the celts to the south north west and across the water in Ireland…

We also tried almost had it and then still couldn’t function without a Monarchy…

Scrumpy on January 26, 2014 at 1:29 AM

If there is one thing I have learned or come to understand.

It is this; we all say we can learn from History, but we humans DON’T, we repeat everything time and time again, and one day, we will end it all for ourselves…never having learned from History and what it tells us about ourselves…

Scrumpy on January 26, 2014 at 1:07 AM

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I am not completely pessimistic for the human race … but a 15% long term survival rate is going to thin out the herd a lot.

Will it be enough to raise the average IQ and lower the STUPID?

Absolutely, but the interim is going to be ugly …

… and people need to realize we’ve got a lot of problems to get through between now and January 20, 2017.

Hushing up for now … going further would risk Ban Hammer.

PolAgnostic on January 26, 2014 at 1:29 AM

That idiot Bradky…. HA’s original troll.

Lanceman on January 26, 2014 at 1:18 AM

Not missed. What a tool.

CWchangedhisNicagain on January 26, 2014 at 1:31 AM

America is still young tho and so I hold out hope that she will turn around and go back to her roots… :)

Scrumpy on January 26, 2014 at 1:31 AM

Not missed. What a tool.

CWchangedhisNicagain on January 26, 2014 at 1:31 AM

He’s never been banned. He says nothing to get banned. He’s been here almost from day one.

Lanceman on January 26, 2014 at 1:31 AM

Not missed. What a tool.

CWchangedhisNicagain on January 26, 2014 at 1:31 AM

I didn’t know he got the boot?

viking01 on January 26, 2014 at 1:32 AM

PolAgnostic on January 26, 2014 at 1:29 AM

We both know what has to happen, I do not want to see that but if needs be, then that is what it will be…

I will ‘hush’ for now… :)

Scrumpy on January 26, 2014 at 1:33 AM

America is still young tho and so I hold out hope that she will turn around and go back to her roots… :)

Scrumpy on January 26, 2014 at 1:31 AM

Nope. Average age for republics with private property rights and rule of law is right at 200 years.

Lanceman on January 26, 2014 at 1:33 AM

I didn’t know he got the boot?

viking01 on January 26, 2014 at 1:32 AM

News to me if he did.

Lanceman on January 26, 2014 at 1:34 AM

listens2glenn on January 26, 2014 at 1:17 AM

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Good night, L2G … I’ll most likely Bishop! you tomorrow.

PolAgnostic on January 26, 2014 at 1:35 AM

Time to turn out the lights and turn in!

It’s been a nice night :)

God Bless you all!! Good night everyone…

*Swoosh*

Scrumpy on January 26, 2014 at 1:36 AM

Rome lasted way longer than the US will.

Schadenfreude on January 26, 2014 at 1:21 AM

As a dictatorship and then an empire. The Republic phase didn’t last long.

kcewa on January 26, 2014 at 1:36 AM

There was no grand, inspirational push, not even any inspiring words about America itself. What we got was a scolding. We were unfair as a nation. We needed a “fundamental transformation.” American Exceptionalism was a thing of the past, a divisive force that needed to go into the trash in favor of the message of government salvation. “Yes, we can” became “No, you can’t. At least not without the help of government.”

His rhetoric never matched his actions. His political skill never matched the promise so many held for him. He never bothered to engage Republicans, and he didn’t do much to reach out to Democrats either.

There was no great vision, we soon learned. What we had was a remarkably hands-off executive who ceded the writing of his agenda to Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid. He signed everything they put in front of him and didn’t seem to read any of it.

Schadenfreude on January 26, 2014 at 1:36 AM

Lanceman on January 26, 2014 at 1:33 AM

One can but hope eh? :)

Good night again…

Scrumpy on January 26, 2014 at 1:37 AM

Scrumpy on January 26, 2014 at 1:29 AM

Back during the Reagan – Thatcher alliance I figured that bond would last for eons.

Being in London July 4th, 1982 when Ronaldus Magnus visited and all the celebration there made that impression all the more profound.

viking01 on January 26, 2014 at 1:38 AM

I didn’t know he got the boot?

viking01 on January 26, 2014 at 1:32 AM

News to me if he did.

Lanceman on January 26, 2014 at 1:34 AM

Probably hasn’t for bettah’ or woise.

viking01 on January 26, 2014 at 1:39 AM

The presidency can be acquired through charm and pretty speeches. But governing demands leadership, inspiration and more. And it’s just not happening right now at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. As President Obama’s lame-duck administration limps to its conclusion, baring any cataclysmic event, he will slouch toward the finish line pay-off of book deals, paid speeches and corporate boards in an ever-shrinking manner.

The country will survive. The ideals of America are too great for any one man to completely ruin. But all of us will be smaller for having hired him.

Schadenfreude on January 26, 2014 at 1:40 AM

America survived Carter but Peanut only had four years and no Holder or Hagel or Nurse Ratched or Big Sis and Zbig may have had a big head but not empty like Lurch.

viking01 on January 26, 2014 at 1:44 AM

He signed everything they put in front of him and didn’t seem to read any of it.

Schadenfreude on January 26, 2014 at 1:36 AM

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That was the deal he bought into to be The Hillary Alternative

… the liberal wing of the Democratic Party has been 80% of the total since Carter. The Liberal Leaders hated Bill Clinton with a passion and were hell bent on getting their own stooge in power.

Obama is the biggest proof of the Peter Principle you will ever see.

He hasn’t IGNORED the Democrats in the House and the Senate.

He was TOLD to stay in the White House, SAY important things and, best of all, he would NEVER be held accountable.

He isn’t a politician. Those dumb SOB’s LOVE schmoozing & wheeling & dealing.

EVERY time Obama has tried to be the “deal maker”, it has been a literal disaster.

This isn’t a case of the Emperor has no clothes.

There is NO Emperor in the clothes!

PolAgnostic on January 26, 2014 at 1:51 AM

Good night again…

Scrumpy on January 26, 2014 at 1:37 AM

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Good night, Scrumpy! (I was busy ranting.)

PolAgnostic on January 26, 2014 at 1:53 AM

The GOP is worthless.

Punchenko on January 26, 2014 at 2:13 AM

The immigration reformers that deal directly with the White House remain hopeful the president will take unilateral action if it becomes clear there will be no congressional solution.

This is tyranny.

And if the GOP sells out the country and participates in this destruction of American citizenship and this country’s sovereignty, they will most certainly lose.

TarheelBen on January 26, 2014 at 2:25 AM

The immigration reformers that deal directly with the White House remain hopeful the president will take unilateral action if it becomes clear there will be no congressional solution.

This is tyranny.

And if the GOP sells out the country and participates in this destruction of American citizenship and this country’s sovereignty, they will most certainly lose.

TarheelBen on January 26, 2014 at 2:25 AM

Your tax dollars at work! The GOP sits quietly while all of this takes place because, you know, the next election and stuff.

Punchenko on January 26, 2014 at 2:29 AM

Didn’t I hear the exact same thing last year? And in 2011?

Now, one thing we can all agree upon is that it would be insane to pass any sort of immigration reforms while Obama is still President. If there is one thing we know about him, it is that he is a would-be dictator who thinks himself entitled to enforce those laws he wants to, and ignore those he does not, and make arbitrary changes as he sees fit. This is not a man to be trusted, period.

Also, some 60% of the public and about 90% of the base are against any plan that includes a “path to citizenship” other than the one we already have. And Democrats won’t accept anything without one.

SO, if Boehner wants to remain Speaker (and we presume he does) he cannot push something that not only goes against the base, can’t get a majority of the Caucus, and would invite abuse from Obama – not to mention distracting the national conversation from ObamaCare and other failures.

BUT keeping talk of its imminence alive forestalls a major attack on the subject. When there is a bill in mark-up in committee, then it is time to worry.

Adjoran on January 26, 2014 at 3:18 AM

COLD OF THE CENTURY!

Its on Drudge!

Ok any hotties that are cold my services are available. Please take a number.

SparkPlug on January 26, 2014 at 3:19 AM

If the people of America were still sane then they would demand that those they elected -who vote to destroy the nation through this kind of demographic terrorism- should be arrested, tried and hanged as traitors.

profitsbeard on January 26, 2014 at 3:57 AM

The Republican Party, A.K.A. the GOP, is no longer the party of Lincoln. Neither is it the party of Reagan. It is the antitheses of both men.

The Republican Party, (combined with the D Party), is the Boomtown Party of K Street Cronies. They can’t get away with owning slaves, (at least not for the time being), so they want the next best thing, they want to create a permanent, official underclass of 2nd-class sub-citizens, people who, they say, are expected to do the menial jobs that Americans won’t do—yet these 2nd class people won’t even get a vote in the society in which they are expected to live and work, supposedly, at the bottom end of the economic ladder!

The ruling class says that the unemployment rate is way down because the economy is really cooking along, thanks to the wonderful elites in Boomtown—therefor there are not enough unemployed American’s to fill the jobs—but we all know the economic numbers are a sham. We know that the real unemployment rate is actually much higher. We know that the fed has been pumping a trillion dollars a year to inflate the stock market and housing bubbles, rigging the economy, and that that’s the only reason the stock market is always going up in defiance of economic gravity. We know the government was, and still is, in bed with corrupt banks and that their collective malfeasance caused the crash in ’08, and then corrupt DC politicians bailed out their banking cronies, TARP, using our money, and that the politicians get various favors in return. All of it perfectly “legal”, of course! We know that the constantly rising stock market doesn’t really mean that the economy is getting better, that for the most part it only reflects the rate of inflation. We know that many people with a lot of stocks and other assets are treading water in spite of the rising stock market, while the rest of the American people who don’t have assets are getting the shaft by these corrupt government policies. We know that a lot of our jobs have been outsourced because of big government policies and corruption. We know that the American people, especially the lower classes, are getting the shaft by American and global elites. American workers, especially minorities and young Americans who are expected to pay back all of Boomtowns debts for the rest of their lives, have already been hit hard by this fictitious “economic recovery”. The middle class, I think, knows that most are treading water, if not sinking, while the elites in Washington DC are making out like bandits!

Now the elites want to throw open the gates and let the 3rd world flood in by the tens of millions to undermine the American work force. The impact on American workers will be hard for decades to come. It’s not enough that so many jobs have already been outsourced, now the ruling elite want to bring the 3rd world here to take the jobs right here in our own country!

Greed may be the biggest part of Boomtown’s scheme, but there are also fringe benefits they get from amnesty for illegals—POWER! Corrupt DC politicians know that the courts will never allow them to create an official underclass of unrepresented people—judges, if not legislators, will soon grant them full citizenship with voting rights, virtually immediately, which will draw millions more illegals to America. All these millions of grateful (to DC) new voters will liberate the DC Boomtown Party and their K Street Cronies from their fear that the increasingly dissatisfied, struggling American people are growing wise to Boomtown and may soon liberate themselves from unconstitutional corruption and tyranny. We know that DC used the IRS to target their political opponents comprised of regular American folks concerned about runaway government corruption. We know they used their corporatist propaganda apparatus to try to systematically smear and destroy the tea party movement at every turn, for years. We know that they lied when they said the NSA wasn’t systematically violating our Constitutional rights. We know that they are building an increasingly un-American, militant police force unlike anything that has been allowed in America before, as though they are preparing to squash a mass uprising. The ruling class knows that they are living in a house of cards they’ve created for themselves with Other-People’s-Money and generational theft and that the winds of change are blowing against them.

But Washington DC is so corrupt and powerful that they no longer care what the American people think. Their attitude regarding amnesty for illegals, (whether instituted legislatively or judicially), scheming in secret to shove it down America’s throat against our will, is no different than what they did with Obamacare, and raising the debt ceiling, and TARP and so many other examples of corruption and tyranny. Unrepresentative government—In that respect the new underclass that can’t vote will actually have equal representation with those of us that can vote: none. K Street and their corrupt politicians are going to do whatever they please because they no longer fear the American people. They have more power now than ever before, America is already a substantial police/surveillance-state, and if the American people allow them to get away with granting amnesty to millions of illegals then they won’t even have to worry about being deposed peacefully by American voters at the ballot box anymore.

The GOP is no longer the party of Lincoln, Reagan and other good men. The Republican Party, along with the rest of Washington DC, is corrupt to the core.

-FloatingRock

FloatingRock on January 26, 2014 at 4:31 AM

Where is Lourdes?
Good night…
/

OmahaConservative on January 25, 2014 at 8:51 PM

Weren’t you the one earlier in another thread claiming that Lourdes was instigating things last night?

And here you are trying to stir things up and bringing up drama unnecessarily.

bluegill on January 25, 2014 at 8:58 PM

Coming from you, you narcissistic twit, ROFL!

scold
skōld/

noun: scold; plural noun: scolds

1. a woman who nags or grumbles constantly.
synonyms: nag, shrew, fishwife, harpy, termagant, harridan; complainer, moaner, grumbler;

Although, something tells me you aren’t anyone’s wife, bluegill! :)

Anti-Control on January 26, 2014 at 5:11 AM

Hmmm…

kcewa on January 26, 2014 at 5:21 AM

While I lean libertarian and support open-borders as an ideal end state in a perfect world, this isn’t a perfect world. The majority of the current residents of the world are not informed supporters of liberty. Most in the world simply don’t have the same concept of freedom and liberty that most Americans do, so we lose our liberty if we import millions of mostly big-gov socialists that don’t value our liberty. Most of them have better ideas what to do with our income and property.

Libertarians who support open-borders should acknowledge this fact if they want to get much more than 2% of the vote, even if the GOP destroys itself in their amnesty effort. Instead of sabotaging what little liberty we have left in America, perhaps Libertarians should concern themselves with educating the rest of the world and converting them into liberty lovers themselves. That way if our government allows hundreds of millions of people to move here and take over America, maybe they will actually make us more free rather than less!

Open-borders is an ideal principle that is a worthy goal, one that probably won’t be achieved any time soon. If we amnesty millions of mostly socialists, it will be a powerful blow against the cause of liberty in America. Technology today is powerful, it is potentially all knowing, all seeing. The tools that tyranny has available to itself these days may be too powerful for free people to resist. I think that this is a pivotal moment in human history, one in which man kind either somehow pulls freedom and liberty out of the fire before it’s too late or else tyranny and fascism may soon be total and complete.

FloatingRock on January 26, 2014 at 5:23 AM

Watch out for bed bugs

Anti-Control on January 26, 2014 at 5:24 AM

Judas Priest – “Breaking the Law”

Anti-Control on January 26, 2014 at 5:33 AM

Libertarians want freedom and liberty dispersed among the people as much as possible, the opposite of what the statist political establishment wants.

Libertarians, ask yourselves, if amnesty is such a good thing, why are the political elites preparing to shove it down America’s throat like it did with Obamacare, TARP and everything else? Consider that one important reason is to save themselves. To save the status quo with the same corrupt elites, the enemies of our liberty, still in control.

Libertarians need to mature on this issue, genuinely and vocally, to be viable any time soon, IMO. If the big L libertarian party won’t change then we’ll have to adopt a different party or start a new one.

FloatingRock on January 26, 2014 at 5:34 AM

Wawrinka and the revenge of the Swiss

kcewa on January 26, 2014 at 5:34 AM

If by chance anybody likes anything I wrote above, consider it to be open-source for the cause of liberty. Use my words without attribution, change them, add too them, spread them around if you think it aids the cause of freedom and liberty. Although I suppose if you do attribute any of it to me then please quote me in context. : )

FloatingRock on January 26, 2014 at 5:42 AM

Libertarians want freedom and liberty dispersed among the people as much as possible, the opposite of what the statist political establishment wants.

Libertarians, ask yourselves, if amnesty is such a good thing, why are the political elites preparing to shove it down America’s throat like it did with Obamacare, TARP and everything else? Consider that one important reason is to save themselves. To save the status quo with the same corrupt elites, the enemies of our liberty, still in control.

Libertarians need to mature on this issue, genuinely and vocally, to be viable any time soon, IMO. If the big L libertarian party won’t change then we’ll have to adopt a different party or start a new one.

FloatingRock on January 26, 2014 at 5:34 AM

Every libertarian believes in open borders? Libertarians are not monolithic, just as Republican and Democrats aren’t. I always find it funny when I see libertarians portrayed in such a manner.

Anti-Control on January 26, 2014 at 5:43 AM

Townes Van Zandt Pancho and Lefty

kcewa on January 26, 2014 at 5:46 AM

FR, I should make myself even more clear, not every Libertarian Party member is in favor of amnesty/open borders, either. FTR, I am not a member of the Libertarian Party.

Anti-Control on January 26, 2014 at 5:46 AM

Every libertarian believes in open borders? Libertarians are not monolithic, just as Republican and Democrats aren’t. I always find it funny when I see libertarians portrayed in such a manner.

Anti-Control on January 26, 2014 at 5:43 AM

I agree, I’m libertarian but oppose open-borders in the present world for reasons explained. But my understanding is that the big-L Libertarian Party’s platform favors open-borders. That is why it’s not a viable party, IMO, and if the GOP sells out the country and commits political suicide then the Libertarian Party isn’t a suitable vehicle unless we can change that part of it’s platform.

FloatingRock on January 26, 2014 at 5:56 AM

FTR, I am not a member of the Libertarian Party.

Anti-Control on January 26, 2014 at 5:46 AM

Me neither, mainly because I oppose open borders in the contemporary world.

Anyway, I’m up too late because it’s an important topic. Have a good night!

FloatingRock on January 26, 2014 at 6:00 AM

Well,…it appears Cap’t Queeg,..of the infamous Mc……Cain Mutiny
of 08′, got his hand slapped in the LefyVotingWithThemCookieJar,
ComeUppance!!
(snark)

Arizona Republicans censure Senator McCain as too ‘liberal’

By David Schwartz
PHOENIX Sun Jan 26, 2014 1:05am EST
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(Reuters) – Arizona Republicans on Saturday censured U.S. Senator John McCain, the party’s 2008 presidential nominee,

for a record they called too “liberal,”

in a sign

of continued distrust

some party members in the state have for the so-called political maverick.

The resolution passed by a voice vote at an Arizona Republican Party meeting of 1,600 committee members at a church in Tempe, Arizona, said Tim Sifert, a spokesman for the state organization.

“Only in times of great crisis or betrayal is it necessary to publicly censure our leaders. Today we are faced with both,” the resolution stated.

It went on to reprimand McCain, who has served 27 years in the Senate, for “a long and terrible record of drafting, co-sponsoring and voting for legislation best associated with liberal Democrats.”

The resolution condemned McCain’s role in helping to craft a bill that passed the Senate last year that would provide a pathway to citizenship for up to 11 million illegal immigrants, which the state Republicans called “amnesty.”
(More………..)
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/26/us-usa-mccain-censure-idUSBREA0P03920140126?feedType=RSS&feedName=politicsNews&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&dlvrit=574655

canopfor on January 26, 2014 at 6:33 AM

FloatingRock on January 26, 2014 at 4:31 AM

I agree with your first long rant. The actual battle right now has become the ruling class in Washington, D.C. versus the American citizen, even though people on the left don’t see it that way. When I say “ruling class,” I’m including the Democrats, and the Republican establishment. Every citizen is being hurt by Obamacare, which can be viewed as the destruction of our health care system – and every citizen will certainly suffer if a mass amnesty is crammed down our throats. Amnesty would mean a further decline in middle class wages, which have declined every year under Obama, and unemployment would rise. Especially hurt would be the black community, where unemployment is already at record levels.

TarheelBen on January 26, 2014 at 6:38 AM

House gop really thinks Obama is going to enforce the law in Toto…..Puhleeze

Gullible fools

cmsinaz on January 26, 2014 at 7:22 AM

I was there Canopfor….. there were quite of few nay votes because they didn’t know if this was legal to do…but the ayes were loud I tell ya……

cmsinaz on January 26, 2014 at 7:25 AM

I was there Canopfor….. there were quite of few nay votes because they didn’t know if this was legal to do…but the ayes were loud I tell ya……

cmsinaz on January 26, 2014 at 7:25 AM

cmsinaz: Good Morning,..interesting,..maybes this is the beginning of the
Great RINO Culling Purge. ( i kid):)

canopfor on January 26, 2014 at 7:30 AM

cmsinaz on January 26, 2014 at 7:22 AM

Good morning. You always return the thread to normal mode and make way for KJs take.

SparkPlug on January 26, 2014 at 7:31 AM

LIVE STREAMING,…of the Rolex 24 at Daytona.
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http://www.imsa.com/camera/united-sportscar/track-camera-1

canopfor on January 26, 2014 at 7:33 AM

I agree, I’m libertarian but oppose open-borders in the present world for reasons explained. But my understanding is that the big-L Libertarian Party’s platform favors open-borders. That is why it’s not a viable party, IMO, and if the GOP sells out the country and commits political suicide then the Libertarian Party isn’t a suitable vehicle unless we can change that part of it’s platform.

FloatingRock on January 26, 2014 at 5:56 AM

Thanks for the clarification. :)

Unfortunately, the LP has it’s head up its butt in too many ways, especially when it comes to US’ relations with other countries imo…hmm, that reminds me of Ron Paul.

Anti-Control on January 26, 2014 at 7:36 AM

Morning Canopfor… we can hope :)

Morning spark…. thanks *blush*
KJ should have a doozy with this one

cmsinaz on January 26, 2014 at 7:37 AM

The Who – “A Legal Matter”

Anti-Control on January 26, 2014 at 7:39 AM

YES-VOTE-FOR-AMNESTY= TREASON

TX-96 on January 26, 2014 at 7:43 AM

Frankie Valli & The 4 Seasons – “Betrayed”

Anti-Control on January 26, 2014 at 7:59 AM

For Boehner to advocate immigration reform(back door amnesty is what it will be in the end) tells me that the shadow govt. is in reality behind everything that happens in govt.
I hate conspiracy theories but when there is no other answer you have to face reality.
Boehner knows any immigration bill, especially now,is not what the majority of his party wants. So why do it?
He has to be on the take. Other special interests have to be calling the shots. Possibly those few huge companies who benefit from cheap labor, or worse a kabal that has been calling all the shots from not so secret hiding places all along.
Boehner has to know that any immigration bill at all regardless of language will be quickly followed by an EO by zeros handlers that gets the rest the hard left does not get. This EO will include amnesty to possibly 30-40 million more new voters(this has never been about 11 million illegals) most of which will be registered dem/rat whether they know it or not.
It will be the biggest political takeover in US history and will once and for all destroy the country.
It will all happen because our side has been compromised.Sad day.

rodguy911 on January 26, 2014 at 8:24 AM

cmsinaz on January 26, 2014 at 7:37 AM

Ask and ye shall receive, ma’am:

My take: Have Illegal Aliens “Earned” Anything At all, Except a Trip Back to Mexico?

kingsjester on January 26, 2014 at 8:38 AM

If you’re going to have an autoplay video, at least put it at the top of the screen. There is nothing like the early morning scramble to mute and scroll to find the offending video.

I use disconnect, ghostery, and ad block plus, but this still slipped thru.

tdarrington on January 26, 2014 at 9:02 AM

Vote Whig.

mizflame98 on January 26, 2014 at 9:37 AM

Kinda funny, I keep getting a random survey box in Spanish when I click through the various pages. I’m guessing the word amnesty or immigration is triggering it.

No gracias.

Food for thought article on the fight against the combine (those in the Republican camp who will join with Democrats against grassroots conservatives. It concludes:

It’s interesting that Obama most respects those who have the greatest contempt for him. All of his “partner’s for peace” loathe him. By contrast Israel, which tried to accommodate him at every turn, has only earned his contempt. That’s the clue. If the RINOs could see things aright, they’d see the Obama administration has no actual respect for anyone who does his bidding. The only entities he respects are those who put up a fight.

So if the administration is out to get conservative activists, then in some strange way, it will guarantee meeting them. For the one riposte of the conservative activists is to evict the institutional Republicans and sit in their place. There’s a widespread myth that “public service” is for idealists. Nothing could be further from the truth. It’s for cynics. That’s why the Founders hoped that every man would come to Washington and perhaps be president. Once. And then return, banished to their farms sated, never to hold office again.

Fallon on January 26, 2014 at 9:50 AM

Yeah, I forgot the close parenthesis. So, here it is ), please put it after the word conservatives.

Gracias.

Fallon on January 26, 2014 at 10:22 AM

Huh, must of been a poor or non existent analogy. Too out of the box I suspect. Oh well.

Bmore on January 26, 2014 at 10:25 AM

The gop granting any form of amnesty is an exercise in snatching defeat from the jaws of midterm victory.

voiceofreason on January 26, 2014 at 10:39 AM

It is sickening to watch the GOP go through all these contortions to pass something

1) their voters vehemently oppose
2) a majority of Americans oppose,
3) barely shows up as a blip in polls of voter priorities.

I hope all that Chamber of Commerce money makes up for all the grass roots voters who stay home or vote third party on election day.

Eff the GOP.

DRayRaven on January 26, 2014 at 10:45 AM

This isn’t a case of the Emperor has no clothes.

There is NO Emperor in the clothes!

PolAgnostic on January 26, 2014 at 1:51 AM

Excellent

Schadenfreude on January 26, 2014 at 1:09 PM

I use disconnect, ghostery, and ad block plus, but this still slipped thru.

tdarrington on January 26, 2014 at 9:02 AM

Using FF here, and ‘flashblock’ did the trick.

‘noscript’ did too, but also got in the way – a *lot* – when just getting around.

Midas on January 26, 2014 at 7:03 PM

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