Close all the gun shops!

posted at 10:01 am on January 25, 2014 by Jazz Shaw

By now you may have heard that a federal judge has overturned yet another Chicago gun ban, requiring Mayor Rahm Emanuel to allow gun shops to open in the next six months. While this may seem like common sense and good news to defenders of the Second Amendment, not everyone was happy with it. One such pundit is a guy who I somehow wind up reading nearly every week on one topic or another, LZ Granderson of ESPN and CNN, among other venues. While I rarely, if ever, agree with him, he does frequently at least make the effort to acknowledge that other points of view exist.

Following the judge’s decision, LZ launched into his own analysis of what he clearly feels is a “complicated” issue. He opens with a typical, tragic story of people being gunned down in the Windy City and then gets to the meat of the issue.

Of the 1,375 guns used in crimes between 2008 to 2012, one in five was legally purchased from one shop about 20 miles outside of the city. Also, a Chicago Police Department report found that 30% of the 17,230 guns recovered between January 1, 2008, and March 31, 2012, were bought in Cook County, where Chicago is located. Many more were bought elsewhere in Illinois. And nearly 60% of those guns were bought outside Illinois, in states with weaker gun laws, such as Indiana and Mississippi.

The guns aren’t always legally purchased by individuals with clean records and then illegally sold to criminals. Sometimes the gun shops are burglarized. In 2012 thieves broke into a store in a northwest suburb using a sledgehammer and took 200 guns. That year, 501 people were shot to death in Chicago.

It is disingenuous for gun rights advocates to dismiss the effectiveness of a city’s gun ban without acknowledging that guns are coming into the city from other areas, including the suburbs, making it easy for criminals to game the system. But the onus is still on pro gun-control politicians — like Emanuel, like San Francisco Mayor Ed Lee, like New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo — to make an airtight case against what many see as infringement on the Second Amendment.

And fair or not, people being shot and killed in cities with tough gun laws on the books does not help their case.

In a way, I’d love to get on the phone and interview LZ about this column because I’m genuinely confused. It clearly seems to be an opus in favor of allowing Chicago to ban gun shops, but as he makes his case, Granderson seems to shoot down each and every one of his own arguments as he goes. (And for what it’s worth, this seems to be a common theme among those who attempt to argue in favor of gun bans.)

He points out that one in five of guns found to be used in the commission of crimes were all bought at one gun shop outside the city. But in nearly the same breath he notes that more than half of the guns (60%) came from outside the state. So precisely what is the rationale being provided to ban gun shops in Chicago if criminals will simply have them brought in from elsewhere? Once again we see a law which proves essentially useless in deterring criminals and only serves to prevent – or at least make it more difficult for – law abiding gun owners to make a purchase. And those aren’t the people you’re ostensibly trying to stop.

He also makes the argument that apparently the gun shops themselves are dangerous because sometimes they are robbed by criminals. In fact, he closes his argument by pointing out that the Mayor may have to “endanger” even more people by moving the gun shops to more affluent, lower crime areas of Chicago.

To complicate matters, now Emanuel — the man known as “Mayor 1%” for his tendency to spend more time with deep pocket types than community organizers — is going to have to survey the city’s 77 communities and decide in which parts of the city, gun businesses can set up shop

Neighborhoods in the west and south — like the one Baker was murdered in — tend to be lower income, crime-ridden and predominantly minority areas. And black support for the mayor is shrinking. Neighborhoods in the north — where many of his six-figure salary donors live — have lower crime, higher wealth and are predominantly white.

Just when he thought keeping residents safe was hard enough now — because gun shops will draw the attention of criminals — he has to decide which ones may potentially become less so.

I simply don’t understand the argument that gun shops should be banned because criminals attempt to rob them. Pharmacies are robbed every day in this country and the stolen drugs frequently wind up on the streets. Should we ban pharmacies? Or does it perhaps make more sense to suggest that gun shops in Chicago (along with every other commercial enterprise) could do with more police protection, enforcement of current laws and suppression of the criminal element?

Very little of this gun rights debate offering makes any sense. But perhaps the source isn’t quite as unbiased and open to both sides of the debate as he portrays himself. After all, this is apparently the same person who chose to defend the President over the “if you like your health plan” debacle by saying, hey… every president is going to lie to you.


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Bishop on January 25, 2014 at 12:02 PM

1% of abortions are rape/incest related = the most precious jewel that must be protected at all costs, and the other 99% of abortions must be tolerated for that most precious jewel of womens, nay, America’s rights.

 

1% of all existing firearms “come in contact with people’s bodies” = ban them all, tax them all, register them all, shame their owners, call them names (fascists), encourage doctors to inquire about ownership related to the above, and give no quarter to an amendment that’s actually written down in the Constitution.

rogerb on January 25, 2014 at 12:04 PM

BTW, no answer is certainly an answer. And you are no-answering up a storm.
 
It’s a simple yes or no question, UE:

 

Should HIV+ citizens have their abilities and freedoms restricted in an attempt to save 30,000 people from HIV/AIDS death and injury each year?
 
rogerb on August 8, 2013 at 7:56 AM

 

It’s amusing (and telling) how you’re trying so hard to avoid it.
 
rogerb on August 9, 2013 at 1:48 PM

rogerb on January 25, 2014 at 12:08 PM

rogerb on January 25, 2014 at 12:04 PM

Exaaaactly!

Think of guns in the hands of ‘thugs’ in ‘metropolitan’ areas, (wink wink) as a sort of retro-active abortion.

Who’s to say God didn’t plan it that way?

Lanceman on January 25, 2014 at 12:09 PM

What happened in DC has zero legitimate bearing on the question of whether or not AR-15s and such should be more or less regulated.
 
verbaluce on September 17, 2013 at 11:44 AM

 

Ready?
 

Should HIV+ citizens have their abilities and freedoms regulated in an attempt to save thousands of non-carriers from HIV/AIDS death and injury each year?
 
rogerb on September 17, 2013 at 1:16 PM

 
verbaluce?
 
rogerb on September 19, 2013 at 7:00 AM

rogerb on January 25, 2014 at 12:09 PM

Maybe if one of your loved ones dies of gun violence you won’t be quite so cavalier. Oh forget it. You don’t give a sh*t anyway. Back to the Fritos!
 
lostmotherland on September 17, 2013 at 1:14 PM

 
Same question, lostmotherland.
 
Annual gun and AIDS death numbers are almost identical.
 

Should HIV+ citizens have their abilities and freedoms regulated in an attempt to save thousands of non-carriers from HIV/AIDS death and injury each year?
 
rogerb on September 17, 2013 at 1:18 PM

 
Back to the Fritos, lostmotherland?
 
rogerb on September 19, 2013 at 7:02 AM

rogerb on January 25, 2014 at 12:10 PM

uhhh…let me help you out there jazz.

if 40% of guns used were bought in the city, then a gun ban would’ve eliminated those 40% of gun crimes.

so just because a gun ban won’t eliminate 100%, doesn’t mean the law won’t be effective.

quite simple really. don’t let perfect be the enemy of the good.

nonpartisan on January 25, 2014 at 10:08 AM

which is why, because Pot was banned, that there was 0 incidence of pot usage and there were no growing crime rates related to pot, no growing prison incarceration rates due to pot, no increased penalties and tightened laws to stop the growing pot usage that didn’t exist (which would’ve also served to cut down the mythical X% of pot users out there that just weren’t getting the message because, after all… Pot was banned therefore NOBODY was using it…)

right?

Skywise on January 25, 2014 at 12:11 PM

We wouldn’t have to get rid of all guns, we could keep the ones that aren’t dangerous:

from my understanding, a skeet gun would lack killing power as its not built to kill

nonpartisan on April 7, 2013 at 11:45 AM

Bishop on January 25, 2014 at 12:16 PM

Guns kill people like pencils spell words wrong.

BobMbx on January 25, 2014 at 12:19 PM

Stop with the freakin’ cliches!

Lanceman on January 25, 2014 at 12:19 PM

I don’t think LZ would like my solution: More gun shops, and put them right in the most crime-ridden part of town. Co-locate them with police satellite stations manned 24/7, also have a gun range, and regular classes on gun safety, gun handling, home protection, and concealed carry. Start a neighborhood watch with meetings there, with information exchange between residents and police on local problems. Make the community part of the solution instead of just seeing them as the problem, and turn the area into a hostile workplace environment for criminals.

But that’s probably way too simplistic for LZ, who thinks of sophisticated progressive solutions like: Ban them all.

Socratease on January 25, 2014 at 12:26 PM

January To Date
Shot & Killed: 17
Shot & Wounded: 59
Total Homicides*: 19

Final December Totals
Shot & Killed: 34
Shot & Wounded: 116
Total Homicides*: 40

Final 2013 Totals
Shot & Killed: 372
Shot & Wounded: 1778
Total Homicides*: 448

http://www.heyjackass.com/

davidk on January 25, 2014 at 12:39 PM

Guns don’t kill people.
Abortionists kill people.

davidk on January 25, 2014 at 12:42 PM

if 40% of guns used were bought in the city, then a gun ban would’ve eliminated those 40% of gun crimes.

nonpartisan on January 25, 2014 at 10:08 AM

This is such a blindingly stupid statement that the errors in logic should be obvious even to nonpart (or any other “Harvard grad” for that matter).

That fact that the errors apparently AREN’T obvious to him/her/it is really pretty funny.

I think a dog turd contains more brain cells than nonpart has between the ears.

climbnjump on January 25, 2014 at 12:45 PM

Stop with the freakin’ cliches!

Lanceman on January 25, 2014 at 12:19 PM

When guns are outlawed …. you end up with Chicago.

Socratease on January 25, 2014 at 12:50 PM

Howard Co., Md., police confirm 1 subject dead is suspected shooter in mall shooting; no information about other victims yet – @myfoxdc

davidk on January 25, 2014 at 12:51 PM

rogerb on January 25, 2014 at 12:10 PM

From last night on another thread (Dinesh DeSouza thread) I got the ultimate compliment:

Del Dolemonte

Consistently the dumbest, most partisan hack @ HA. Congrats.

lostmotherland on January 24, 2014 at 7:45 PM

“IT BURNS!”

Del Dolemonte on January 25, 2014 at 12:53 PM

Guns don’t kill people.

Abortionists kill people.

davidk on January 25, 2014 at 12:42 PM

.
. . . o u c h ! . . .

listens2glenn on January 25, 2014 at 1:01 PM

Yes sir. Retro-active abortion.

Lanceman on January 25, 2014 at 1:04 PM

Howard Co., Md., police confirm 1 subject dead is suspected shooter in mall shooting; no information about other victims yet – @myfoxdc

davidk on January 25, 2014 at 12:51 PM

Columbia, Maryland was conceived of as a Liberal Paradise.

wiki:

Creator and developer James W. Rouse saw the new community in terms of human values, rather than merely economics and engineering. Opened in 1967, Columbia was intended to not only eliminate the inconveniences of then-current subdivision design, but also eliminate racial, religious, and class segregation.

And yet even now, there are still twice as many Whites as there are African Americans in Columbia, and 5 times as many Asians. Hispanics only make up 7%.

Del Dolemonte on January 25, 2014 at 1:06 PM

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/01/25/russian-teen-arrested-in-pa-with-suspected-weapon-mass-destruction/

davidk on January 25, 2014 at 12:53 PM

Officers had been investigating an alleged marijuana growing operation when they discovered the alleged bomb, according to a statement posted on the police department’s Facebook page.

Damn, I didn’t know marijuana was a gateway drug to bomb-making.

Allegedly.

“The bomb was safely deconstructed by experts from the Pennsylvania State Police Bomb Squad,” the statement read.

The bomb squad is staffed with expert deconstructionists that are highly trained in dialectical method and post-modernism.

The Altoona Police Department arrested a Penn State Altoona student living in the city on charges of possession of a weapon of mass destruction, as well as other charges … Miftakhov is listed in the Penn State Altoona directory as an engineering major.

I guess even a STEM major isn’t a guarantee of a successful career anymore.

Socratease on January 25, 2014 at 1:08 PM

You want a gun? hold up a couple of hundred dollars in a soup kitchen in Chicago and say “I need a gun” and be careful you are not trampled upon getting the first one offered.

mixplix on January 25, 2014 at 1:10 PM

Police: 3 dead, including shooter

Del Dolemonte on January 25, 2014 at 1:20 PM

Police: 3 dead, including shooter

Del Dolemonte on January 25, 2014 at 1:20 PM

Will give obama the perfect opportunity to gab about “no more guns”, feeding on his preferred gourmet, carrion, again.

Schadenfreude on January 25, 2014 at 1:31 PM

government is also essential…without government there’d be chaos

guns are not essential

nonpartisan on January 25, 2014 at 11:44 AM

Weapons-grade stupidity… But you did walk right into the “line of fire” so to speak… :)

Anyway.. As to your grasping retort – no one, the founders or myself or anyone short of hard-core anarchists, would deny that some government is – to use your word – essential.

The problem is that we far, far more government than is “essential”.

In America the biggest problem we have is too much government.. that our government is a dangerous combination of incompetent and power-mad does not bode well for our future.

“Government never furthered any enterprise but by the alacrity with which it got out of its way.”
-– Henry David Thoreau

DrDeano on January 25, 2014 at 1:41 PM

government is also essential…without government there’d be chaos

guns are not essential

nonpartisan on January 25, 2014 at 11:44 AM

Putonium grade stupid. Some gov’t, but not this much…

NO one advocates for NO gov’t.

In the leftist world, only in that cesspool of ‘elitism’ and ‘enlightenment’, the Koch Brothers are called “plutocrats” and pajama-obama is called “complex”.

Utopian fascist sozis, go to Hades. We can read you from afar.

Schadenfreude on January 25, 2014 at 1:47 PM

a guy who I somehow wind up reading nearly every week on one topic or another, LZ Granderson of ESPN and CNN,

Welp, here’s your problem …

chimney sweep on January 25, 2014 at 1:58 PM

Who’s to say God didn’t plan it that way?

Lanceman on January 25, 2014 at 12:09 PM

You wanna use that argument in court?

thejackal on January 25, 2014 at 2:01 PM

You wanna use that argument in court?

thejackal on January 25, 2014 at 2:01 PM

That’s just it. It never gets to court. The plight of inner-city ‘thug’ on ‘thug’ crime goes largely unnoticed.

Oh, lip-service is paid, but nobody really cares. That is, unless something can be blamed on a ‘white’ Hispanic.

And to paraphrase Uncle Benny “Big deal. foah dead thugs. Billion moah were they came from.”

Lanceman on January 25, 2014 at 2:06 PM

“The bomb was safely deconstructed by experts from the Pennsylvania State Police Bomb Squad,” the statement read.

The bomb squad is staffed with expert deconstructionists that are highly trained in dialectical method and post-modernism.

Socratease on January 25, 2014 at 1:08 PM

Heh. But let’s hope not.

davidk on January 25, 2014 at 2:08 PM

I don’t know many criminals who have bought a gun at a gun store lately. Most were stolen, per what the news indicates.

upinak on January 25, 2014 at 2:13 PM

Sounds like LZ Granderson is the one being disingenuous. If you closed all the gun shops in America, the drug dealers would import them from outside the US along with their Kilos.

I love how they always pick the animals we should be more like, and definite the scales of their maps to suit their needs.

When I was a kid, not far from my house, State Troopers stopped a drug shipment on I95, and found two full auto machine pistols.

Think Globally, act logically

WryTrvllr on January 25, 2014 at 2:14 PM

eon on January 25, 2014 at 10:32 AM

Good analysis.

I find it useful to distinguish somewhat between hardcore leftists and typical liberals/progressives.

I believe that hardcore leftists are fundamentally extreme control freaks and sadistts.
That explains to me virtually all of their beliefs and actions. What you and I might consider logic, philosophy, morality, law, or any other internally consistent system of belief and action for the betterment and good of mankind are completely irrelevant to them. Control and sadism are their essence and their ends.

Garden variety liberals and progressives are the useful idiots of leftists. They do not think clearly, if at all. They function purely on emotion and feelings. They therefore jump on whatever bandwagon is popularly considered the proper liberal bandwagon du jour. One day they can be pro-life, the next pro-abortion;one day they can be rallied against a coming ice age, the next against global warming; one day they can be stirred to outrage over a supreme court candidate’s mention of a pubic hair on a can of Coke, the next day they can easily rationalize and accept a Bill Clinton actually abusing a young intern in the Oval Office; one day they are outraged against government power and intrusion, the next day they are enthusiastic supporters;etc., etc., etc., etc. You get my point- they do not think or analyze- they are simply weathervanes who move only to a leftward blowing wind. They emote and believe what they are led to believe. This is why it is completely frustrating and fruitless to try to have a logical conversation with a liberal. Logic and thinking are not their modus operandi.

So with gun control, leftists of course do not want anyone to have a means of resisting their control and sadism. Liberals/progressives just parrot whatever their “handlers” (for lack of a better word) wish them to parrot.

justltl on January 25, 2014 at 2:16 PM

typos-sorry

justltl on January 25, 2014 at 2:18 PM

WryTrvllr on January 25, 2014 at 2:14 PM

That old saying….
If all guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.

Like people are going to get rid of their guns anytime soon.

upinak on January 25, 2014 at 2:22 PM

government is also essential…without government there’d be chaos

guns are not essential
nonpartisan on January 25, 2014 at 11:44 A

M

Putonium grade stupid. Some gov’t, but not this much…
NO one advocates for NO gov’t.
In the leftist world, only in that cesspool of ‘elitism’ and ‘enlightenment’, the Koch Brothers are called “plutocrats” and pajama-obama is called “complex”.
Utopian fascist sozis, go to Hades. We can read you from afar.
Schadenfreude on January 25, 2014 at 1:47 PM

According to our Constitution, guns seem pretty essential to me.

Maybe like like Harvy Weinstein, he would like to ban all guns with a “Total Access” provision in case the Government goes rogue an invokes another Holocaust.

This seems to be a way Liberals can make themselves feel safe at night.

SayNo2-O on January 25, 2014 at 2:24 PM

Like people are going to get rid of their guns anytime soon.

upinak on January 25, 2014 at 2:22 PM

Oh, you will. You better believe you will. Once obama comes with his boys to take them. And he will. He’s comin’.

Lanceman on January 25, 2014 at 2:24 PM

I don’t know many criminals who have bought a gun at a gun store lately. Most were stolen, per what the news indicates.

upinak on January 25, 2014 at 2:13 PM

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/01/24/Supreme-Court-Is-It-Legal-For-Law-Abiding-Citizens-To-Buy-Guns-For-One-Another

davidk on January 25, 2014 at 2:28 PM

Oh, you will. You better believe you will. Once obama comes with his boys to take them. And he will. He’s comin’.

Lanceman on January 25, 2014 at 2:24 PM

Cold dead hands Lance. Cold dead hands.

upinak on January 25, 2014 at 2:32 PM

davidk on January 25, 2014 at 2:28 PM

Yeah, so? Am I a criminal for going to a ful dealer to buy a couple lowers and uppers to build a gun? Wait, don’t answer that! ;)

upinak on January 25, 2014 at 2:33 PM

Cold dead hands Lance. Cold dead hands.

upinak on January 25, 2014 at 2:32 PM

Cold is right! What is it there right now, about a jillion below?

Lanceman on January 25, 2014 at 2:40 PM

it’s revealing that thugs are automatically black to you…

*sigh*

nonpartisan on January 25, 2014 at 10:23 AM

http://www.amren.com/archives/reports/the-color-of-crime/

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Sports/2014/01/24/charles-barkley-thug-street-cred-racial-slur

Richard Sherman: Thug is the new n-word

http://tinyurl.com/lrsh573

davidk on January 25, 2014 at 2:52 PM

Cold is right! What is it there right now, about a jillion below?

Lanceman on January 25, 2014 at 2:40 PM

40, with a high of 45 and up. We are warmer than most of the US.

upinak on January 25, 2014 at 2:53 PM

40, with a high of 45 and up. We are warmer than most of the US.

upinak on January 25, 2014 at 2:53 PM

WTF? It’s colder in ND!

Who was that guy that wrote the short story ‘To Build a Fire’?

Lanceman on January 25, 2014 at 2:54 PM

davidk on January 25, 2014 at 2:28 PM

Yeah, so? Am I a criminal for going to a ful dealer to buy a couple lowers and uppers to build a gun? Wait, don’t answer that! ;)

upinak on January 25, 2014 at 2:33 PM

The case centers around this question on the form you have to fill out when you buy a gun:

Are you the actual transferee/buyer of the firearm(s) listed on this form? Warning: You are not the actual buyer if you are acquiring the firearm(s) on behalf of another person. If you are not the actual buyer, the dealer cannot transfer the firearm(s) to you.

A retired cop bought a gun at a store where the price was cheaper and “transferred” it to his uncle.

The question is how far would the government take it. Can you buy one for someone, kid or spouse or significant other, for Christmas/birthday.

Does this apply to Gabby Gifford’s husband?

He told CNN that he wanted “firsthand knowledge” of gun issues. Kelly said he plans to buy a weapon at a gun show and to sell a weapon and will write about those experiences as well.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/03/11/mark-kelly-assault-weapons-giffords-senate/1979633/

davidk on January 25, 2014 at 3:07 PM

I don’t think thuggas would worry about answering that question truthfully if they were buying them for a fellow gang members.

davidk on January 25, 2014 at 3:09 PM

davidk on January 25, 2014 at 3:07 PM

Sigh

Umm wouldn’t that depend on the state? Wouldn’t it also depend on who the gun was given too? You see, the problem with this is family. How many family members have given a weapon as a gift?

Since most guns laws and purchasing (unless you order one via ffl dealer) depend on state laws, not federal. Gifford can kmmfa!

upinak on January 25, 2014 at 3:14 PM

government is also essential…without government there’d be chaos

guns are not essential

nonintelligent on January 25, 2014 at 11:44 AM

No one here has ever said government is not essential-only that some government is nonessential. Such as the government that tells me I have to buy health insurance, and the government that tells me I can’t drink a 32 ounce Mountain Dew.

What you Dim Dems seem to forget is that the first turnpikes and railroads were privately built-your precious government had not thing one to do with them. In fact, the majority of the railroad track mileage east of Chicago was privately capitalized.

One of the essential functions of government, on the other hand, is to protect its citizens. A function that your Democrats failed miserably at between 1993 and 2001.

F-

Del Dolemonte on January 25, 2014 at 3:17 PM

Yeah who wants honest citizens with guns. Only gang members should have them

jaywemm on January 25, 2014 at 3:42 PM

Yeah, so? Am I a criminal for going to a ful dealer to buy a couple lowers and uppers to build a gun? Wait, don’t answer that! ;)

upinak on January 25, 2014 at 2:33 PM

For AR-10 and AR-15 types, think 80% receivers. They come with no serial number, and there are no restrictions on buying them. They are, essentially, a paperweight. You do the final machining and assemble the gun. Totally legal to make your own guns for your own use.

For AK-47 and AK-74 types, think receiver flats.
Same deal.

Google “build parties” for either type.

Solaratov on January 25, 2014 at 5:42 PM

Solaratov on January 25, 2014 at 5:42 PM

I like this company.

And law does stipulate that, if you are not a manufacturer, and you make it strictly for yourself, it’s not required to have a serial number.

I wanna get a .38 Super 80% frame.

Lanceman on January 25, 2014 at 6:21 PM

lostmotherphucker…va@inajuice… and noforeskin ?…why do you bother with them?

KOOLAID2 on January 25, 2014 at 6:29 PM

Stop with the freakin’ cliches!
Lanceman on January 25, 2014 at 12:19 PM

Don’t get bent out of shape. There is more than one way to skin a cat so don’t put all your eggs in one basket

SparkPlug on January 25, 2014 at 6:33 PM

Historically speaking, 90-percent or more of those required to comply with gun registration laws in the U.S. refuse to do so, and there is no reason to suspect that this registration attempt in Connecticut is any different. I’ve seen estimates of 1,000,000 firearm magazines that should have been registered under the law, but the state reports registering only 40,000… just 4 percent.

http://bearingarms.com/connecticut-scrambles-for-amnesty-plan-after-realizing-that-citizens-are-refusing-to-register-their-assault-weapons-and-high-capacity-magazines/

davidk on January 25, 2014 at 6:35 PM

Stop with the freakin’ cliches!
Lanceman on January 25, 2014 at 12:19 PM

Don’t get bent out of shape. There is more than one way to skin a cat so don’t put all your eggs in one basket

SparkPlug on January 25, 2014 at 6:33 PM

People who use cliches drive me up a wall.

davidk on January 25, 2014 at 6:37 PM

davidk on January 25, 2014 at 6:37 PM

Lolz.

SparkPlug on January 25, 2014 at 6:43 PM

People who use cliches drive me up a wall.

davidk on January 25, 2014 at 6:37 PM

You?!? I’m watching people here engage what may be Allah or another conservative ‘Bishing’ with idiotic cliches! It’s bad enough they answer it at all!

Lanceman on January 25, 2014 at 6:45 PM

government is also essential…without government there’d be chaos

guns are not essential

nonintelligent on January 25, 2014 at 11:44 AM

Because you are against tbe right to self defense, even in one’s home against armed intruders.

That’s insane. You know that, right?

Chuck Schick on January 25, 2014 at 7:29 PM

Problems…..
The problem of guns stolen from gun-shops isn’t that the shop are being robbed – they are being burgled.
What’s the difference you ask:
Robbery occurs when there are people there, and virtually every gun-shop owner/employee I know, walks around armed and loaded when the doors are open. These shops are burgled when they’re closed, and there is no one there to resist.

If banning gun-shops in the immediate area, and surrounding areas, is a way to cut down violent crime, why is there so much violence in Mexico?
It has no indigenous arms-making sector, and there is only one legal gun-shop in the entire country (located in Mexico City and operated by the Mexican Army IIRC). Every gun in use in Mexico must be imported, and civilians can only buy them (legally) through that one shop.
So, why is there so much gun violence in Mexico?
Probably for the same reason that there are so many killings in Chicago – the thugs aren’t locked up, or in the morgue, where they belong.
A question for HizHonor Dah Mayor:
Why is your Police Department afraid to confront the street gangs and lock up those who break the law?
Who’s on the gangs’ pad?

Another Drew on January 25, 2014 at 7:36 PM

this is not a debate: countries with strict gun laws have less gun deaths than US

its a fact.

nonpartisan on January 25, 2014 at 10:36 AM

It’s *fewer* not *less* you dimwitted Harvard Veterinary School graduate.

Nutstuyu on January 25, 2014 at 9:25 PM

nonpartisan on January 25, 2014 at 10:36 AM

And quarterbacks strike out less often than outfielders. What’s your point?

Nutstuyu on January 25, 2014 at 9:27 PM

So if they ban car dealerships in the city, 40% of the people won’t buy cars.
Right?
GarandFan on January 25, 2014 at 10:20 AM

will cars be illegal? if so, then yeah.
nonpartisan on January 25, 2014 at 10:23 AM

Brilliant! We should apply this logic elsewhere. To end the epidemic of crack, heroin, and cocaine addiction we should make them illegal too.

anuts on January 25, 2014 at 9:38 PM

Google “build parties” for either type.

Solaratov on January 25, 2014 at 5:42 PM

I don’t care for AK’s, and I won’t buy them.

And I call B.S. on ARs not having a serial. ALL LOWERS have a serial, since it’s inception. I want where you got you stats.

upinak on January 25, 2014 at 9:52 PM

government is brains are also essential…without government brains there’d be chaos me

guns are I am not essential

nonintelligent on January 25, 2014 at 11:44 AM

S. D. on January 25, 2014 at 10:00 PM

this is not a debate: countries with strict gun laws have less gun deaths than US

its a fact.

nonpartisan on January 25, 2014 at 10:36 AM

Cite your source. And assuming I *DID* accept your premise…see below.

Typical leftist, non-contextual, *kind-of* fact.

Which countries? Do they have a smaller *population* than the US?

Define ‘strict gun laws’?

If a “Country with a strict gun law”, has a proportionate number of shootings to the US, do they have a proportionate “other means” homicide rate?

Your statement holds about as much weight as “Global Warming causes more dangerous, and more costly storms”

It’s what you liberal sock puppets do…you spread and ounce of truth wrapped in a pound of lie.

a5minmajor on January 25, 2014 at 10:24 PM

And I call B.S. on ARs not having a serial. ALL LOWERS have a serial, since it’s inception. I want where you got you stats.

upinak on January 25, 2014 at 9:52 PM

He did not say ALL ARs, he said 80% receivers.

See my link upthread.

Lanceman on January 25, 2014 at 10:55 PM

The gun grabbers are always claiming that no one wants to ban guns, but so many of them support this Chicago ban on gun sales. Apparently “common sense” gun laws means total bans on gun sales. They are such liars.

juliesa on January 26, 2014 at 12:09 AM

this is not a debate: countries with strict gun laws have less gun deaths than US

its a fact.

nonpartisan on January 25, 2014 at 10:36 AM

M.e.x.i.c.o.

soundingboard on January 26, 2014 at 3:04 AM

So you’re quibbling about the method, not the act?

EnglishRogue on January 25, 2014 at 10:56 AM

I believe that’s the case. Hoplophobes don’t really care about deaths, they care about power and control.

Unarmed subjects are much easier to control than armed citizens..

If they really cared about deaths, they would insist on a national five MPH speed limit. That would save thousands of lives a year.

soundingboard on January 26, 2014 at 3:18 AM

government is also essential…without government there’d be chaos

guns are not essential

nonpartisan on January 25, 2014 at 11:44 AM

I’d wager you would feel differently if a tweaker was hacking through your door with an axe.

soundingboard on January 26, 2014 at 3:28 AM

And I call B.S. on ARs not having a serial. ALL LOWERS have a serial, since it’s inception. I want where you got you stats.
 
upinak on January 25, 2014 at 9:52 PM

 

…per provisions of the Gun Control Act (GCA) of 1968, 18 U.S.C. Chapter 44, an unlicensed individual may make a “firearm” as defined in the GCA for his own personal use, but not for sale or distribution…
 
Individuals manufacturing sporting-type firearms for their own use need not hold Federal Firearms Licenses (FFLs). However, we suggest that the manufacturer at least identify the firearm with a serial number as a safeguard in the event that the firearm is lost or stolen. Also, the firearm should be identified as required in 27 CFR 478.92 if it is sold or otherwise lawfully transferred in the future.
 

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/firearms-technology.html#commercial-parts-assembly

 
Letter from ATF (with picture) regarding a too-complete receiver here.

rogerb on January 26, 2014 at 6:24 AM

Come to think of it, do you know what I’ve never heard an account of being used in commission of a violent crime?

rogerb on January 26, 2014 at 6:57 AM

Say, were there not articles a few months ago pointing out that while Chicago politicians pushed for more gun control they were in fact lax in prosecuting people who violated existing laws intended to get illegal guns and their owners off of the streets?

Nomas on January 26, 2014 at 7:30 AM

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED !

JACKASS!

TX-96 on January 26, 2014 at 7:43 AM

Wouldn’t we save far more lives if we banned abortion clinics?

trs on January 26, 2014 at 8:33 AM

The makers of “Zip Guns” will blossom like the 50′s.

mixplix on January 26, 2014 at 10:19 AM

Maryland shooter finally IDed…Darion Marcus Aguilar, age 19, of College Park, MD.

Del Dolemonte on January 26, 2014 at 10:28 AM

People who use cliches drive me up a wall.

davidk on January 25, 2014 at 6:37 PM

You can lead a yak to water, but you can’t make a silk purse out of a pig in a poke.
—Opus

Solaratov on January 26, 2014 at 11:38 AM

Close all the gun shops?

Looks like LZ’s already closed all the CostCutters. Nice do.

NoPain on January 26, 2014 at 12:15 PM

C’mon, really, let’s quit pussy-footing around the real issue here-

Why are more than 95% of the gun murders in Chicago every year committed by Obama voters?

And maybe it’s time to stop subsidizing the kinds of environments where this violence occurs. Starvation is an awfully powerful motivator of industrious behavior.

And feel free to call me any names you want, leftist pu**ies.

M240H on January 26, 2014 at 2:29 PM

nonpartisan on January 25, 2014 at 11:44 AM

He’s as sharp as a bowling ball.

Hammie on January 27, 2014 at 12:20 AM

if 40% of guns used were bought in the city, then a gun ban would’ve eliminated those 40% of gun crimes.

nonpartisan on January 25, 2014 at 10:08 AM

What about all those federal laws that have been set up to prevent criminals from ever purchasing guns at gun shops? How are they working out?

so just because a gun ban won’t eliminate 100%, doesn’t mean the law won’t be effective.

nonpartisan on January 25, 2014 at 10:08 AM

As effective as the laws that have been set up to prevent criminals from ever purchasing guns at gun shops?

quite simple really. don’t let perfect be the enemy of the good.

nonpartisan on January 25, 2014 at 10:08 AM

Don’t let common sense get in the way of your cause.

Pale Rider on January 27, 2014 at 8:27 AM

Just when you think there are no more guns to buy, the DPMS GII 308 weighing 7.25 lbs, comes along!

http://dpms-gii.com/full.html#configurations

claudius on January 27, 2014 at 9:15 AM

if 40% of guns used were bought in the city, then a gun ban would’ve eliminated those 40% of gun crimes.

nonpartisan on January 25, 2014 at 10:08 AM

Precisely, because they couldn’t get guns like the other 60% did; that would be unpossible.

It’s like when the local grocery store that supplied food to 15% of the city I lived in closed; 15% of the population died because they couldn’t possibly get food anywhere else.

Oh, that didn’t happen? Those people went somewhere else to get the food they wanted when their initial plan wasn’t possible? But this couldn’t happen with guns because… why?

Tell me again how smart you are; I seem to be forgetting that. Maybe it’s because you keep saying really dumb things.

If you close half the gun shops, would that stop half of those 40% of the crimes? By your “logic” it would, do you see why that’s idiotic to claim yet?

gekkobear on January 27, 2014 at 12:41 PM

A weaponless Chicago? There’s only one way to be absolutely certain

S. D. on January 27, 2014 at 3:27 PM

A weaponless Chicago? There’s only one way to be absolutely certain

S. D. on January 27, 2014 at 3:27 PM

WINNER!

Hammie on January 28, 2014 at 12:31 AM

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