New Virginia attorney general: I’m asking the courts to strike down our state’s ban on gay marriage

posted at 8:01 pm on January 23, 2014 by Allahpundit

Noteworthy, although not because it’s novel. This is basically the same move Holder made three years ago in declaring that he and Obama would take the position in court that Section 3 of DOMA required “heightened scrutiny” under the Equal Protection Clause, which is a fancy way of saying that they thought the law was unconstitutional and should be struck down. It’s unusual for an AG to refuse to defend a statute in his jurisdiction, but not unheard of. Because the U.S. Constitution is the supreme law of the land, a prosecutor’s good-faith belief that a statute conflicts with it would/should lead him to oppose it. Ken Cuccinelli, in fact, refused to defend one of Bob McDonnell’s education reforms because he believed it violated the Virginia Constitution.

What makes this novel is the political position that Mark Herring’s in. He won the election for AG in November by less than a thousand votes. He was sworn in less than two weeks ago. He did note on the trail, as virtually all Democrats these days do and must, that he now supports gay marriage (he mentioned it as recently as five days before the election), but he’d voted against the practice as a legislator years before. There was every reason to think that, when presented with a searingly divisive issue after an excruciatingly close election, he’d want to lie low. Nope. The state will still enforce the ban on SSM until a court tells it otherwise, he says — that’s his concession to SSM opponents and jittery Democrats who fear a backlash from elected officials summarily overturning state law — but he’s going to do whatever he can to get a court to make that determination. Makes me wonder when that next step will be taken, where an AG who’s pro-SSM is elected in a state that’s trending the same way but still has a traditional marriage law on the books and he decides that he’s simply not going to enforce the law at all. If some Democrats don’t get the result they want in court fast enough, they might resort to measures like that.

Virginia Republicans are unhappy:

“By running for the office, Mark Herring asked for the challenge of defending Virginia’s constitution and all it contains,” Republican Party of Virginia Chairman Pat Mullins said in a statement.

“If Mark Herring doesn’t want to defend this case, he should resign, and let the General Assembly appoint someone who will. Mark Herring owes the people of Virginia no less,” he added…

“This lawlessness is an insult to the voters of Virginia who approved the marriage amendment by a large majority,” said Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council. “The ‘left’ is becoming a law unto itself.”

Schwarzenegger and his state AG at the time, Jerry Brown, refused to defend Prop 8 even though it had been passed by popular referendum because they too thought the statute was unconstitutional. Lefty law prof Erwin Chemerinsky, while opposed to Prop 8, wrote at the time that he found it “disturbing” that a majority of California voters could be deprived of a state attorney to defend a law they enacted simply because of a difference of opinion with their leaders over the law’s constitutionality. He proposed having states pass laws to enable the governor to appoint a special attorney to defend a statute in cases where the AG feels, in good faith, that he can’t. A solution for Virginia?

One other note here: The case in which the Supreme Court struck down laws against interracial marriage, which has been cited in many a brief ever since as a reason to strike down gay-marriage bans as well, originated in Virginia. Herring is, of course, aware of that. Maybe that’s why he moved so quickly on this — if Virginia’s law ends up being the one the Supremes use for the landmark “gay marriage is now legal” decision that everyone knows is coming, the political symbolism would make Herring a star and set him up to succeed McAuliffe as governor.


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Mainstreaming gross immorality and perversion is the only way to secure a prosperous and peaceful future for Stoned America.

Murphy9 on January 23, 2014 at 8:04 PM

This country is becoming completely #*ed.

BigWyo on January 23, 2014 at 8:04 PM

Homo Marriage again on Hot Air?

reddevil on January 23, 2014 at 8:05 PM

This is just what they did in California.

The will of the people means nothing. Democrats go to a friendly judge to throw out laws they don’t like.

bluegill on January 23, 2014 at 8:06 PM

How can anyone pretend that the politicians are in opposition to the people?

What are the recall laws in Virginia?

Freddy on January 23, 2014 at 8:07 PM

I’m so that I’m in Texas.
I canguarantee whoever succeeds Greg Abbott will NOT be making that same ‘request’.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 23, 2014 at 8:10 PM

Who cares about the will of the people anymore. We live in an oligarchy. They cherry pick the laws they want to enforce. When will it stop?

conservative pilgrim on January 23, 2014 at 8:10 PM

Why even have ballot initiatives? Unenforced, of batted down by the feds..

wolly4321 on January 23, 2014 at 8:11 PM

So does Beck (“you are not a fan of mine if you hate gays”) agree with this AG?

conservative pilgrim on January 23, 2014 at 8:14 PM

bluegill on January 23, 2014 at 8:06 PM

Hey that is how democracy works !
Why even listen to people , they are the worst

burrata on January 23, 2014 at 8:16 PM

We are a nation of mois …

ShainS on January 23, 2014 at 8:21 PM

George will is down with it.

davidk on January 23, 2014 at 8:24 PM

The people got it wrong, so Brecht’s Law applies: change the people

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/geraldwarner/10013326/The_people_got_it_wrong_so_Brechts_Law_applies_change_the_people/

burrata on January 23, 2014 at 8:26 PM

Mainstreaming gross immorality and perversion is the only way to secure a prosperous and peaceful future for Stoned America.

Murphy9 on January 23, 2014 at 8:04 PM

My goodness, social conservatives like you are killing our party. I suspect that you ‘ve not the slightest idea how idiotic you sound. Repeat after me, gay people are not perverted. The more you say they are, the more vociferous they will become to defend themselves. Nor are they immoral. Who the he’ll are you to decide what is and isn’t moral in the bedroom when no harm is being caused to anybody? And I think smoking might do you some good. I bet people like you used to say the same carp about alcohol during the prohibition era. You are claiming things are evil or harmful even though they aren’t. Focus. Their are fare more prescient concerns. How about we start laying off the gays and standing up to the damn socialistic normalization of this country? The left is using pop culture and these social issues to steer people away from us and towards them. So I’m politely asking you to please sit down and shut up and let us start fighting these statist a-holes on even turf. Fair enough?

Zetterson on January 23, 2014 at 8:27 PM

So I’m politely asking you to please sit down and shut up and let us start fighting these statist a-holes on even turf. Fair enough?

Zetterson on January 23, 2014 at 8:27 PM

Yep, shut up and sit down. Ok boss.

Murphy9 on January 23, 2014 at 8:29 PM

Elections. Have. Consequences.

Ken Cuccinelli: Miss me yet?

thebrokenrattle on January 23, 2014 at 8:34 PM

he decides that he’s simply not going to enforce the law at all.

This is lawlessness. So any law that a person disagrees with, or finds inconvenient, even simply for political expediency, can simply be ignored.

Cities have done it with ‘sanctuary’ status. States have done so, too. Defying, and breaking, federal law.

Cities and states have done so with federal drug laws, too, as Colorado has proven.

Obama does it every time he signs an E.O. rather than go to congress changing ObamaCare, some 14 times so far, making over 20 changes to the law by fiat, legislating from his desk and trampling on separation of powers. His actions have been illegal.

Illegal aliens do it in remaining in the nation on expired visas, refusing to leave, or entering the nation illegally and remaining in the nation.

And thus the rule of law is diminished and eroded until we have a society in which no one is bound by the law, no one is bound by any oath, and only those laws are enforced which the majority party currently in power chooses to enforce.

thatsafactjack on January 23, 2014 at 8:40 PM

Yep, shut up and sit down. Ok boss.

Murphy9 on January 23, 2014 at 8:29 PM

This morality crusade you are on is KILLING this country. No matter how you manipulate the laws, social issues will find their course. But if you want us to turn into a government run command and control economy and cradle to grave welfare state just keep complaining about the gays and the weed. They are bathing you into it and you are not recognizing that. Do you think that it’s a coincidence that Stephanopoulos asked a random question about contraception during the primary debates? Here’s a hint, he s baiting you! Using social issues to manipulate. You just don’t get it

Zetterson on January 23, 2014 at 8:41 PM

Zetterson on January 23, 2014 at 8:27 PMZetterson on January 23, 2014 at 8:27 PM

Ethics and morals both relate to “right” and “wrong” conduct. However, ethics refer to the series of rules provided to an individual by an external source. e.g. their profession. On the other hand, morals refer to an individual’s own principles regarding right and wrong.

Sure you want to dictate morals to anyone else?

thatsafactjack on January 23, 2014 at 8:44 PM

My goodness, social conservatives like you are killing our party. I suspect that you ‘ve not the slightest idea how idiotic you sound. Repeat after me, gay people are not perverted. The more you say they are, the more vociferous they will become to defend themselves. Nor are they immoral. Who the he’ll are you to decide what is and isn’t moral in the bedroom when no harm is being caused to anybody? And I think smoking might do you some good. I bet people like you used to say the same carp about alcohol during the prohibition era. You are claiming things are evil or harmful even though they aren’t. Focus. Their are fare more prescient concerns. How about we start laying off the gays and standing up to the damn socialistic normalization of this country? The left is using pop culture and these social issues to steer people away from us and towards them. So I’m politely asking you to please sit down and shut up and let us start fighting these statist a-holes on even turf. Fair enough?

Zetterson on January 23, 2014 at 8:27 PM

OK. Gay people are not defective.

They are mutants.

davidk on January 23, 2014 at 8:44 PM

My goodness, social conservatives like you are killing our party. I suspect that you ‘ve not the slightest idea how idiotic you sound.

Zetterson on January 23, 2014 at 8:27 PM

Funny, I was going to say the same about you.

Repeat after me, gay people are not perverted. The more you say they are, the more vociferous they will become to defend themselves. Nor are they immoral. Who the he’ll are you to decide what is and isn’t moral in the bedroom when no harm is being caused to anybody?

1.) Perversion — sexual behavior that people think is not normal or natural… given that we’re talking about a population that’s anywhere from 2 to 5 percent of the population, I’d say that’s accurate. Call it an inconvenient truth.

2.) Morality or the lack thereof is not “decided.” It is debated and determined through the application of reason. Simply because coercion or harm does not occur does not mean something is morally fine. Exploitation, which takes advantage of the desperation of others, in fact routinely relies on consent.

I bet people like you used to say the same carp about alcohol during the prohibition era. You are claiming things are evil or harmful even though they aren’t.

Errr… you would call the degradation of motor function and higher brain functions not even harmful? What’s wrong with you?

Focus. Their are fare more prescient concerns. How about we start laying off the gays and standing up to the damn socialistic normalization of this country? The left is using pop culture and these social issues to steer people away from us and towards them. So I’m politely asking you to please sit down and shut up and let us start fighting these statist a-holes on even turf. Fair enough?

Zetterson on January 23, 2014 at 8:27 PM

1.) There’s no reason you can’t do 2 things at once.

2.) You should never be afraid to stand up for what is right.

Let me provide an equally measured invitation to you to sit down, shut up, and recognize that the power of the state can be used for good or ill, and that you should use it to achieve the former and steer clear of the latter.

Stoic Patriot on January 23, 2014 at 8:44 PM

This morality crusade you are on is KILLING this country.

Zetterson on January 23, 2014 at 8:41 PM

Hyperbole doesn’t serve you, either.

thatsafactjack on January 23, 2014 at 8:45 PM

This morality crusade you are on is KILLING this country. No matter how you manipulate the laws, social issues will find their course. But if you want us to turn into a government run command and control economy and cradle to grave welfare state just keep complaining about the gays and the weed. They are bathing you into it and you are not recognizing that. Do you think that it’s a coincidence that Stephanopoulos asked a random question about contraception during the primary debates? Here’s a hint, he s baiting you! Using social issues to manipulate. You just don’t get it

Zetterson on January 23, 2014 at 8:41 PM

Whatever you say boss. I’m just commenting on the culture. If the culture has slid so far down as to mainstream base human behaviour, then we deserve what we get.

Murphy9 on January 23, 2014 at 8:45 PM

OK. Gay people are not defective.

They are mutants.

davidk on January 23, 2014 at 8:44 PM

AMC had an x-men marathon this morning.

Murphy9 on January 23, 2014 at 8:46 PM

Yes they are perverted but America is accepting it. Zet you’re just another tool.

CWchangedhisNicagain on January 23, 2014 at 8:47 PM

Tailgunners and pillowbiters unite!

BuckeyeSam on January 23, 2014 at 8:47 PM

Zet you keep trashing social issues and ignore the costs of your stupidity. Tool.

CWchangedhisNicagain on January 23, 2014 at 8:49 PM

Democracy?

Gayocracy.

VorDaj on January 23, 2014 at 8:53 PM

They cannot be brought up on charges, because their is no one to charge him. Amazing.

We should have seen this one coming. The LGB advocates annd allies pwn the VA wealth ring.

The plan is quite clear. Run up the numbers before 0 loses Congress then turn 2014-15 away from important matters, like employment and war, and towards self-indulgence, like ghey mirage and weed.

The more self-absorbed we become in our daily choices, the more susceptible people will be to voting prog as a way to offset the guilt.

budfox on January 23, 2014 at 8:53 PM

So when will heterosexual marriage be banned in our country ?
I say by the end of this year , starting with NY and MA .

burrata on January 23, 2014 at 8:55 PM

Ethics and morals both relate to “right” and “wrong” conduct. However, ethics refer to the series of rules provided to an individual by an external source. e.g. their profession. On the other hand, morals refer to an individual’s own principles regarding right and wrong.

Sure you want to dictate morals to anyone else?

thatsafactjack on January 23, 2014 at 8:44 PM

Very good point, if I said I was dictating morals. Im not. I was talking political strategy and priority. How free to practice his beliefs will Murphy be after we descend further into this collectivist ‘re-experiment? If history is any indication, not very. If we continue to be tricked into fretting over gays and weed unnecessarily we are going to lose everything our founders left in place for us. The problem with this va AG is not the simple fact that he’s seemingly pro gay. It’s the diminished rule of law. THAT should be our only focus

Zetterson on January 23, 2014 at 8:57 PM

But but but….libdie says people are voting for it everywhere!!!

Lanceman on January 23, 2014 at 8:57 PM

That fat fvck Lou Dobbs doesn’t understand the difference between marriage and civil union, and he lost a viewer over it.

Nexialist on January 23, 2014 at 8:57 PM

“Gay marriage” is like male pregnancy. No such thing. And I don’t care how many males have run around during the last few years saying “We’re pregnant”. No, you are not pregnant. Your wife may be pregnant. Your girl friend may be pregnant. Both of them may be pregnant, but you are not pregnant and never will be.

Never mind whether two men “together” is right, wrong or indifferent, saying “gay marriage” is like calling a tail a leg. It’s just stupid.

I know one thing for sure – I ain’t about to call 2 men a married couple anymore than I am going to call a 5’2″ man tall, or a 100 year old man or woman young, or a 400 pound man or woman slender, or a barge a car, or an apple an orange, or north south, and for the same reason. Some can call a tail a leg until they are blue, or red, in the face, but it’s still not a leg and never will be. This isn’t so much a SocCon vs. libertarian matter as it’s a mater of reality vs. delusion.

VorDaj on January 23, 2014 at 8:59 PM

Question to you Allahpundit and other ssm supporters…is this how you want ssm to pass in this country? to be pushed by activist attorney generals and judges? not by votes by the people?

and why isn’t there any freaking coverage of the persecution facing christians here on hot air by gay marriage bullies? Nothing but gay marriage support and nothing on the other side…sad really..it’s like I’m going to a liberal website on this issue

wake up hotair!!!

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/01/21/christian-bakery-guilty-violating-civil-rights-lesbian-couple/

The owners of a Christian bakery who refused to make a wedding cake for a lesbian couple are facing hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines after they were found guilty of violating the couple’s civil rights.

Is this how gay marriage should pass? Is this fine to intimidate Christians?? to send them to re education camps???

GOD SAVE OUR COUNTRY

sadsushi on January 23, 2014 at 9:04 PM

In Hawaii apparently they have a new sex ed program and within that program 25% of the images are of gay couples. There is brainwashing going on.

CWchangedhisNicagain on January 23, 2014 at 9:04 PM

Shorter Mark Herring:

“Please don’t take my lunch money, Gay Mafia!”

CurtZHP on January 23, 2014 at 9:09 PM

In Hawaii apparently they have a new sex ed program and within that program 25% of the images are of gay couples. There is brainwashing going on.

CWchangedhisNicagain on January 23, 2014 at 9:04 PM

I imagine in your case, that only required a light rinse. Seriously, what is the end result of this brainwashing?

Zetterson on January 23, 2014 at 9:11 PM

When someone swears an oath of office to defend the laws of the state, and then uses his office to do the opposite, he should immediately be stripped of his office, charged, tried, and imprisoned under criminal statutes.

Socratease on January 23, 2014 at 9:11 PM

Mainstreaming gross immorality and perversion is the only way to secure a prosperous and peaceful future for Stoned America.

Murphy9 on January 23, 2014 at 8:04 PM

The only “gross immorality and perversion” is you and your repetitive nonsense you post over and over and over on any thread about any gay issue. You must soil your skivvies out of uncontrollable glee when a gay topic post shows up on HotAir…so you can prop up your holier-than-thou pedestal, climb up to the top of it, and exclaim from on high your self-righteous absolute moral authority and infallible judgement whilst cowering behind the anonymity of a computer screen.

Congratulations.

JetBoy on January 23, 2014 at 9:15 PM

When someone swears an oath of office to defend the laws of the state, and then uses his office to do the opposite, he should immediately be stripped of his office, charged, tried, and imprisoned under criminal statutes.

Socratease on January 23, 2014 at 9:11 PM

Finally! Yes! Somebody focusing on the real point of concern as opposed to preaching about the correct avenue for sexual intercourse.

Zetterson on January 23, 2014 at 9:17 PM

In Hawaii apparently they have a new sex ed program and within that program 25% of the images are of gay couples. There is brainwashing going on.

CWchangedhisNicagain on January 23, 2014 at 9:04 PM

I imagine in your case, that only required a light rinse. Seriously, what is the end result of this brainwashing?

Zetterson on January 23, 2014 at 9:11 PM

Z, you just lost creditability. And you accuse CW of being cleaned brained?

You are coming across as a moby.

davidk on January 23, 2014 at 9:19 PM

Whether anyone is being baited or not is besides the point. Any attorney general who refuses to defend a legitimately passed law is derelict in his or her duty. A law isn’t unconstitutional with respect to an attorney general’s duty to defend it until a court rules it so. When even Chemerinsky is worried about this trend, everyone should be concerned. Not seeing that this trend is more important than even the “moral” issue at hand is what is truly killing not just the Republican Party, Sat this nation. The integrity of the legal System has been one of the Major accomplishments of this Republic. Lawyers used to understand this and it was taught in Law School as sacrosanct. I heard Herring speak during the election about his position that an A G could decide not to enforce a law. I was appalled. I was appalled when Cuccinelli took the position as well. We all should be.

studentofhistory on January 23, 2014 at 9:20 PM

Again, we are debating the wrong thing. Not only should no government official, elected, appointed, or hired and never fire-able petty bureaucrat be able to pronounce gays “married”, they should not be able to pronounce anyone married. This power is a usurpation of that which rightfully belongs to the clergy of one’s particular faith. Marriage is a religious rite … that has been appropriated by the government for the purpose of wielding power through the tax code.

The only thing government should be able to do is acknowledge civil unions for the purpose of tax relief when minor dependents are present and estate transfer. And I couldn’t care less if two homosexuals want to form a civil union.

As an added bonus for a large number commenters here that would preclude atheists from ever being married.

M240H on January 23, 2014 at 9:21 PM

The only “gross immorality and perversion” is you and your repetitive nonsense you post over and over and over on any thread about any gay issue. You must soil your skivvies out of uncontrollable glee when a gay topic post shows up on HotAir…so you can prop up your holier-than-thou pedestal, climb up to the top of it, and exclaim from on high your self-righteous absolute moral authority and infallible judgement whilst cowering behind the anonymity of a computer screen.

Congratulations.

JetBoy on January 23, 2014 at 9:15 PM

Jetboy, I’m with you on this one. I honestly believe someone that insecure about sexual issues that they resort to plastering their spew on every blog related to homosexuality is, well, how shall I say? Closeted?

Zetterson on January 23, 2014 at 9:23 PM

Z, you just lost creditability. And you accuse CW of being cleaned brained?

You are coming across as a moby.

davidk on January 23, 2014 at 9:19 PM

Explain David.

Zetterson on January 23, 2014 at 9:31 PM

This is just what they did in California.

The will of the people means nothing. Democrats go to a friendly judge to throw out laws they don’t like.

bluegill on January 23, 2014 at 8:06 PM

O M G I agree with bluegill ….
it is a sign of the end of times….

conservative tarheel on January 23, 2014 at 9:31 PM

studentofhistory on January 23, 2014 at 9:20 PM

Very well said. Befitting your name.

Zetterson on January 23, 2014 at 9:35 PM

The only “gross immorality and perversion” is you and your repetitive nonsense you post over and over and over on any thread about any gay issue. You must soil your skivvies out of uncontrollable glee when a gay topic post shows up on HotAir…so you can prop up your holier-than-thou pedestal, climb up to the top of it, and exclaim from on high your self-righteous absolute moral authority and infallible judgement whilst cowering behind the anonymity of a computer screen.

Congratulations.

JetBoy on January 23, 2014 at 9:15 PM

Gosh darn I couldn’t have begged for a better response.

Murphy9 on January 23, 2014 at 9:40 PM

Puff puff pass pole smoking twaggot.

Murphy9 on January 23, 2014 at 9:40 PM

So when will heterosexual marriage be banned in our country ?
I say by the end of this year , starting with NY and MA .

burrata on January 23, 2014

I think this is the most hilarious comment all night. Is this honestly a fear? If it is, I want a show of hands of people around here who really believe this. If many do, please bet me. Name a date. You’re choice. Hetero marriage ban. When? Burrata said end of this year. Paranoid over the wrong stuff my friend.

Zetterson on January 23, 2014 at 9:53 PM

Puff puff pass pole smoking twaggot.

Murphy9 on January 23, 2014 at 9:40 PM

Murphy, seriously what do you have against gay people and why?

Zetterson on January 23, 2014 at 9:54 PM

Way to go Arlington, Alexandria, and Richmond!

SouthernGent on January 23, 2014 at 10:10 PM

Because the U.S. Constitution is the supreme law of the land, a prosecutor’s good-faith belief that a statute conflicts with it would/should lead him to oppose it.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

really……. and attorney’s first duty is to REPRESENT HIS CLIENT (in this case the state of Virginia & the laws it’s legislators have enacted) … period… end of story….. next thing ya know criminal defense attorneys won’t represent their clients cause they think they may be guilty…..

roflmmfao

donabernathy on January 23, 2014 at 10:37 PM

Murphy, seriously what do you have against gay people and why?

Zetterson on January 23, 2014 at 9:54 PM

Take a look around you.

There is no law anymore because gays must be accepted.

Do you honestly, even for a second think this is because this attorney general values your, so-called, gay-rights?

By destroying the rule of law?

Or is this all a play to buy your votes?

If this man is so willing to throw away the rule of law to buy your votes how much value do you think your rights have when the winds change. And they will.

Marriage won’t be banned… It’s already been rendered MEANINGLESS

Skywise on January 23, 2014 at 10:46 PM

Republicans need to inform the voters and make them understand that, when they vote for Democrats, there’s always the chance they’re going to get the “progressive agenda”. Now, Republicans will be reluctant to do that because, to offer an alternative, they’re going to have to tell the voters what they’re for.

Look, I’m a Republican, but I’m really disappointed in the lack of leadership the party has. They really need to get out in from of the Democrats on the issues. I know the Democrats aren’t going to debate the issues. I know the Democrats are going to lie about the issues, but I also know that, if you make your ideas plain and simple, it’s difficult to lie about them.

Democrat messaging is a lot easier than Republican messaging because they have the option of lying. The MSM is not going to check their facts and they will check the Republican Facts. The beauty of this is all the Republicans have to do is put out a truthful message and guarantee the voters that the MSM will check every comma, period, and exclamation point of their statements and also tell them they already know the Democrats have lied to them and the MSM has refused to check them out. If they do it and are truthful, the Democrats can not win if they have to tell the public the truth and the MSM is going to be reluctant to cover for them, under the circumstances the Republicans present.

Do it troops. I’m sure it will work.

bflat879 on January 23, 2014 at 11:40 PM

Whether anyone is being baited or not is besides the point. Any attorney general who refuses to defend a legitimately passed law is derelict in his or her duty.

studentofhistory on January 23, 2014 at 9:20 PM

Yeah, I’d like to see the oath of office that this AG took when sworn in a mere two weeks ago; probably contains something like …uphold the constitution of the State of Virginia…

His attitude towards the constitution (of VA) must be about the same as Obama and the US constitution.

E-R

electric-rascal on January 23, 2014 at 11:43 PM

I don’t know why it would be unconstitutional to ban two men from getting married. If it is unconstitutional, then wouldn’t it be unconstitutional to prevent a man from marrying his son? The Constitution also doesn’t have age of consent laws so there are lots of marriage bans that must be unconstitutional.

Buddahpundit on January 24, 2014 at 12:12 AM

Mainstreaming gross immorality and perversion is the only way to secure a prosperous and peaceful future for Stoned America.

Murphy9 on January 23, 2014 at 8:04 PM

My goodness, social conservatives like you are killing our party. I suspect that you ‘ve not the slightest idea how idiotic you sound. Repeat after me, gay people are not perverted. The more you say they are, the more vociferous they will become to defend themselves. Nor are they immoral. Who the he’ll are you to decide what is and isn’t moral in the bedroom when no harm is being caused to anybody? And I think smoking might do you some good. I bet people like you used to say the same carp about alcohol during the prohibition era. You are claiming things are evil or harmful even though they aren’t. Focus. Their are fare more prescient concerns. How about we start laying off the gays and standing up to the damn socialistic normalization of this country? The left is using pop culture and these social issues to steer people away from us and towards them. So I’m politely asking you to please sit down and shut up and let us start fighting these statist a-holes on even turf. Fair enough?

Zetterson on January 23, 2014 at 8:27 PM

Who are you to say he’s wrong? Why is your opinion of the morality of homosexuality better than his?

As far as biology goes, it’s indisputable that male-on-male or female-on-female sex is a sexual perversion. You can argue that it doesn’t matter that much, or that it doesn’t hurt anyone, but any claim that it’s not a perversion is false.

There Goes the Neighborhood on January 24, 2014 at 12:19 AM

In Hawaii apparently they have a new sex ed program and within that program 25% of the images are of gay couples. There is brainwashing going on.

CWchangedhisNicagain on January 23, 2014 at 9:04 PM

I imagine in your case, that only required a light rinse. Seriously, what is the end result of this brainwashing?

Zetterson on January 23, 2014 at 9:11 PM

The obvious, really. People are instinctively repulsed by homosexuality, because it’s a perversion and unnatural. You have to be taught or indoctrinated to believe there’s nothing wrong with it.

Obviously, the earlier you can start the indoctrination….

There Goes the Neighborhood on January 24, 2014 at 12:25 AM

Buddahpundit on January 24, 2014 at 12:12 AM

That’s right – Gay marriage (which isn’t in the constitution) is a more powerful, untouchable right than gun ownership (which is in the constitution).

Which is why all marriages require a license (and guns don’t).

Skywise on January 24, 2014 at 12:38 AM

Finally! Yes! Somebody focusing on the real point of concern as opposed to preaching about the correct avenue for sexual intercourse.

Zetterson on January 23, 2014 at 9:17 PM

Here’s something to think about, Zetterson.

Only gays and lesbians demand this immorality and perversion of law.

This “attorney general” is openly breaking the law and acting in an immoral and perverse fashion because that is what gays and lesbians are demanding he do.

JetBoy demands that the law be immorally and perversely broken in this fashion because he is gay, and insists that any gay person who is opposed to breaking the law in this fashion is “self-loathing” and an Uncle Tom/race traitor.

So that is your answer as to why homosexuality is equated with gross immorality and perversion. You are demanding that we shut up about a behavior pattern that causes people to break the law and demand that the laws be broken.

northdallasthirty on January 24, 2014 at 1:03 AM

Murphy, seriously what do you have against gay people and why?

Zetterson on January 23, 2014 at 9:54 PM

Probably that gay and lesbian people are perverse and immoral bigots who demand that state attorneys general disregard the law and support and endorse such behavior.

Why do you think that is, Zetterson? Why is it acceptable to you for gays and lesbians to demand this sort of immorality and perversion in regard to enforcement of the laws?

northdallasthirty on January 24, 2014 at 1:04 AM

The left is using pop culture and these social issues to steer people away from us and towards them. So I’m politely asking you to please sit down and shut up and let us start fighting these statist a-holes on even turf. Fair enough?

Zetterson on January 23, 2014 at 8:27 PM

That is the most hilarious thing I’ve ever seen.

You seem to be under the delusion that the Obama Party, malicious liars all, will suddenly focus on meaningful topics if we just cave on gay-sex marriage.

Which is why the Obama Party’s main message last time was that Romney was going to ban tampons and put black people in chains.

Don’t you realize the problem? We are dealing with malicious liars who prey on the envy, hatred, and bigotry of emotionally-immature people like JetBoy to get what they want. Take away gay-sex marriage, and they will move on to another topic. They always do.

The country is going down the tubes because you and your fellow RINOs are desperately chasing the Obama Party’s pandering to stupid, selfish, and greedy people. Instead, why don’t you actually appeal to people with a work ethic, concern for jobs and education, belief in social stability, faith, and morals? You know, those “social conservatives” you demonize?

Gays and lesbians like JetBoy are perverse and immoral bigots who will demand that laws be broken to get them a gay-sex marriage certificate so they can force churches to marry them, force people to hire them, and force taxpayers to give them more welfare because of their sexual orientation. Why in the name of all that is holy are you pandering to them, you idiot?

northdallasthirty on January 24, 2014 at 1:11 AM

Repeat after me, gay people are not perverted.

Zetterson on January 23, 2014 at 8:27 PM

FIFY
So why do they call themselves “queers”?

This will come down to a Constitutional Convention.
I bet that will be challenged as unconstitutional.

I have a question:

If two brothers (or sisters for you ladies) decide they wish to marry and are denied in a state that allows same sex marriage and are denied based on incest/familial/relative laws can they sue for discrimination? After all no natural offspring are possible here, not the case with opposite sex couples, which is presumably why these laws were enacted. What reasons would the state have to deny these love birds a wedding? Shouldn’t these laws be overturned as well? Again with same sex couples natural born offspring are not an issue.

Bubba Redneck on January 24, 2014 at 3:10 AM

The only “gross immorality and perversion” is you and your repetitive nonsense you post over and over and over on any thread about any gay issue. You must soil your skivvies out of uncontrollable glee when a gay topic post shows up on HotAir…so you can prop up your holier-than-thou pedestal, climb up to the top of it, and exclaim from on high your self-righteous absolute moral authority and infallible judgement whilst cowering behind the anonymity of a computer screen.

Congratulations.

JetBoy on January 23, 2014 at 9:15 PM

Been watching “Lockup” again have we.
Gotta curb that excitement Dude.

Bubba Redneck on January 24, 2014 at 3:19 AM

In Hawaii apparently they have a new sex ed program and within that program 25% of the images are of gay couples. There is brainwashing going on.
CWchangedhisNicagain on January 23, 2014 at 9:04 PM

I imagine in your case, that only required a light rinse. Seriously, what is the end result of this brainwashing?

Zetterson on January 23, 2014 at 9:11 PM

Private school and homeschooling populations going through the roof.

Bubba Redneck on January 24, 2014 at 3:22 AM

I voted against the guy, GD it!!

Won by a thousand votes??

Really??

Does a Republican ever win these close ones??

Sherman1864 on January 24, 2014 at 6:51 AM

Herring should be impeached. It is the only way the people of Virginia can take back their rightful power as owners of the government.

Upon being elected the AG swore to faithfully uphold the Constitution of the State of Virginia. That is his sole reason for existence.

What he has done in a single act is to ignore that duty and defy the people who elected him, substituting personal judgment for the law.

Herring also dishonestly and with malicious intent ran for attorney general, cloaking his real intentions and lying to the voters.

Most people would call that tyranny or despotism.

How long will people stand silently and watch Democrats destroy our rights and freedoms while turning us into their servants?

There was a time when the people of Virginia would lead the way and be the first to grab tyranny by the throat.

Marcus Traianus on January 24, 2014 at 8:01 AM

What are the recall laws in Virginia?

Freddy on January 23, 2014 at 8:07 PM

The General Assembly can defund his office. Not sure about recall laws here in VA. We’ve never had sh*tbags this bad in office to even consider that. Times are a changin’ here in the ole Commonwealth.

RandallinHerndon on January 24, 2014 at 8:05 AM

So does Beck (“you are not a fan of mine if you hate gays”) agree with this AG?

conservative pilgrim on January 23, 2014 at 8:14 PM

This has nothing to do with gays, lesbos or gay marraige. Although they would like to make the mindless masses that it is, it’s about a Virginia constitutional amendment that was voted on and approved by ~58% of Virginia residents (myself being one of them), and the public official that swore an oath to support and defend the VA constitution, breaks the oath he took less than a month ago.

RandallinHerndon on January 24, 2014 at 8:12 AM

Link to the Virginia Constitution.

One of my favorite parts in Article 1, Section 2 The Bill of Rights;

Section 2. People the source of power.

That all power is vested in, and consequently derived from, the people, that magistrates are their trustees and servants, and at all times amenable to them.

And Section 15;

That no free government, nor the blessings of liberty, can be preserved to any people, but by a firm adherence to justice, moderation, temperance, frugality, and virtue; by frequent recurrence to fundamental principles; and by the recognition by all citizens that they have duties as well as rights, and that such rights cannot be enjoyed save in a society where law is respected and due process is observed.

That free government rests, as does all progress, upon the broadest possible diffusion of knowledge, and that the Commonwealth should avail itself of those talents which nature has sown so liberally among its people by assuring the opportunity for their fullest development by an effective system of education throughout the Commonwealth.

The relevant section to the despot, Herring;

Section 17. Impeachment.

The Governor, Lieutenant Governor, Attorney General, judges, members of the State Corporation Commission, and all officers appointed by the Governor or elected by the General Assembly, offending against the Commonwealth by malfeasance in office, corruption, neglect of duty, or other high crime or misdemeanor may be impeached by the House of Delegates and prosecuted before the Senate, which shall have the sole power to try impeachments. When sitting for that purpose, the senators shall be on oath or affirmation, and no person shall be convicted without the concurrence of two-thirds of the senators present. Judgment in case of impeachment shall not extend further than removal from office and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust, or profit under the Commonwealth; but the person convicted shall nevertheless be subject to indictment, trial, judgment, and punishment according to law. The Senate may sit during the recess of the General Assembly for the trial of impeachments.

Marcus Traianus on January 24, 2014 at 8:20 AM

They cannot be brought up on charges, because their is no one to charge him. Amazing.

We should have seen this one coming. The LGB advocates annd allies pwn the VA wealth ring.

The plan is quite clear. Run up the numbers before 0 loses Congress then turn 2014-15 away from important matters, like employment and war, and towards self-indulgence, like ghey mirage and weed.

The more self-absorbed we become in our daily choices, the more susceptible people will be to voting prog as a way to offset the guilt.

budfox on January 23, 2014 at 8:53 PM

The VA House of Delegates is 2 to 1 Republican, so there are other means which the legislature can take to preserve the law for now. What’s worse is that now there is NOBODY to defend the law, the job the AG is constitutionally bound to do. Think about that for a minute. That is frightening. This is sh*t I expect in CA, NY, IL, and a handful of other states. NOT Virginia.

RandallinHerndon on January 24, 2014 at 8:24 AM

Way to go Arlington, Alexandria, and Richmond!

SouthernGent on January 23, 2014 at 10:10 PM

Don’t forget Norfolk, Portsmouth and lib-filled Charlottesville.

RandallinHerndon on January 24, 2014 at 8:56 AM

I voted against the guy, GD it!!

Won by a thousand votes??

Really??

Does a Republican ever win these close ones??

Sherman1864 on January 24, 2014 at 6:51 AM

I also voted against this turd. His old Senate district is one block away from my house. Republicans never win close elections like this because we haven’t learned how to cheat and stuff the ballot box. Also, most boards of elections are run by Commie Libturds.

RandallinHerndon on January 24, 2014 at 9:26 AM

Does a Republican ever win these close ones??

Sherman1864 on January 24, 2014 at 6:51 AM

We might start to now that Jim Moran is retiring. He could always be counted on to somehow find missing ballots which somehow turn the vote totals in the favor of the democrats.

RandallinHerndon on January 24, 2014 at 9:31 AM

They cannot be brought up on charges, because their is no one to charge him. Amazing.

This will come down to a Constitutional Convention.

The President, the Senate, and too many state governments are acting like bullies now, throwing their weight around, taking everyone’s lunch money and going “What are you gonna do about it, try and beat me up?” As long as the Senate isn’t overwhelmingly Republican, any impeachment of the President or his cronies will fizzle out.

Our last hope is to try and force an Article V convention, have the states impose some new rules that will lessen partisan influence and restore the balance of power.

TMOverbeck on January 24, 2014 at 9:47 AM

He is deeply wrong to do this. The socialists are emboldened now. They see the lawlesness of Zero and they are acting in similar fashion.

When they push to far, there will be hell to pay.

dogsoldier on January 24, 2014 at 11:23 AM

Laws are for little people. They don’t need to be followed by the aristocracy. Just give the serfs some government cheese and tell them to shut up and allow their betters to enjoy their wine and caviar.

njrob on January 24, 2014 at 11:33 AM

How about we start laying off the gays and standing up to the damn socialistic normalization of this country?

Zetterson on January 23, 2014 at 8:27 PM

I thought employment was a human right or something..?

affenhauer on January 24, 2014 at 1:09 PM