House GOP number three: How about legalization without citizenship for illegals?

posted at 3:21 pm on January 22, 2014 by Allahpundit

A nice example of what I said last week about Republicans forging their immigration policy based not on what works but on what they think they can sell. Legalization without citizenship is, as DrewM says, arguably the worst possible outcome policy-wise. It rewards illegals by letting them stay in the U.S. indefinitely, creating an incentive for future illegals to cross the border, but then tries to punish them by relegating them to a status of uncertainty. Will they ever be allowed to apply for citizenship or will they be stuck forever as second-class quasi-citizens? No one knows. And no one in the GOP leadership really cares. They like this dopey idea because they think they can sell it to both sides. To conservatives, they can crow that they held the line and refused to create a special path to citizenship like Rubio and the Gang of Eight did. To amnesty shills, they can crow that they’ve given illegals a legal foothold to stay and work here in the U.S., with citizenship through some process inevitable in the fullness of time. The goal isn’t to produce smart policy or to solve the problem of illegal immigration. The goal is to kinda sorta placate the conservative base whose votes they need while wooing the left-leaning Latinos whose votes they want.

And the punchline, of course, is that it’ll make no one happy. Conservative media will paint this, correctly, as a sellout and pro-amnesty groups will begin agitating for full citizenship within minutes after a legalization bill passes. McCarthy himself, I assume, knows that it’s garbage as policy but feels he has no choice but to push it because he comes from a California district with a significant Latino population.

McCarthy stated his personal view on the contentious issue in an interview with KBAK/KBFX Eyewitness News in his hometown of Bakersfield, Calif. He signaled that the call for a provisional legal status would be included in the immigration reform principles House Republican leaders are soon to release.

“The principles aren’t written yet, but in my personal belief, I think it’ll go with legal status that will allow you to work and pay taxes,” McCarthy said.

McCarthy made clear he did not favor carving out a new path to citizenship for the estimated 11 million people in the country illegally. But his position appears to comport with the views of other senior Republicans who have called for illegal immigrants to have access to the existing route to citizenship once they receive an initial legal status and fulfill other requirements…

Immigration advocates have targeted McCarthy, whose district includes a large Hispanic population.

“[I]t is unclear whether Democrats would back such a compromise,” says the Hill. I don’t think it’s that unclear. Easy solution: The GOP could create a path to citizenship for DREAMers, which they seem inclined to do anyway, and offer that to Democrats in return for legalization without citizenship for adult illegals. Democrats will happily take that half-loaf. They want a deal so that they can show their Latino base that they finally delivered on immigration, but they also don’t want to lose their ability to demagogue Republicans as racist. Legalization without citizenship — i.e. “Jim Crow for illegals,” as the new lefty talking point will describe it — plus a DREAM amnesty allows them to do both. They’d be nuts to turn it down. As long as they don’t have to wait until border security has been measurably improved before legalization takes effect, they’ve got 90 percent of what they wanted from this process.

By the way, remember when Jeb Bush endorsed this idea too? It’s still bizarre to me that the great establishment hope, who’s supposed to be the GOP’s last, best chance to woo Latinos, would back a plan that’ll soon be compared by Democrats everywhere to segregation, but I guess he needed a gimmick to distinguish himself from Rubio after Rubio took the lead on comprehensive reform in the Senate. I’m curious to see if Bush sticks with it now that Rubio and his other presumptive centrist rival Chris Christie are fading.

Exit question: If Congress doesn’t pass some sort of reform before the midterms, Obama’s going to do it with via his presidential super powers, right?


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Does that mean they can never become legal, or just initially? Can they still take the test the normal way after a couple of years? They will also be popping out more Liberal voting babies in the mean time.

Patriot Vet on January 22, 2014 at 3:26 PM

These clowns are either the biggest morons in the world, or they think we are. Of course another possibility is that they are suicidal.

rjh on January 22, 2014 at 3:27 PM

How long can a party survive with leadership that shows such open defiance of, and contempt for, its base?

Mark1971 on January 22, 2014 at 3:30 PM

Many amnesty proponents want this exact type of bill to be passed. As soon as it does they run to a lefty judge who proclaims that it creates a second class and viola… Instant citizenship is granted…they have the cases ready to go

Caseoftheblues on January 22, 2014 at 3:30 PM

How about we just enforce the dang laws as they already are on the books? How about that GOP? I swear we could replace them with Pet Rocks and get better policy.

Free Indeed on January 22, 2014 at 3:31 PM

Legalization without citizenship is, as DrewM says, arguably the worst possible outcome policy-wise. It rewards illegals by letting them stay in the U.S. indefinitely, creating an incentive for future illegals to cross the border, but then tries to punish them by relegating them to a status of uncertainty. Will they ever be allowed to apply for citizenship or will they be stuck forever as second-class quasi-citizens?

We do know. The newly legalized formerly illegal aliens, with their attorneys hired by the pro-amnesty/open borders Left, would immediately begin to protest, maintaining they’d been forever relegated to a second class status, thereby denied the “American Dream” and the term ‘slavery class’ would undoubtedly be leveled at the GOP. The ‘intent’ of the fourteenth amendment would be debated with the newly legalized formerly illegal aliens maintaining that the fourteenth was meant to apply to everyone on U.S. soil. Citizenship would follow swiftly.

thatsafactjack on January 22, 2014 at 3:31 PM

what does “legalization” mean if it doesn’t mean “citizenship?” what DOES it mean? i don’t understand.

and what would we call those people? we can’t call them “illegals,” we can’t call them “citizens.” what word do we use?

Sachiko on January 22, 2014 at 3:32 PM

How about they go Eff themselves?

ToddPA on January 22, 2014 at 3:32 PM

How about they go Eff themselves?

ToddPA on January 22, 2014 at 3:32 PM

I support that idea.

Free Indeed on January 22, 2014 at 3:32 PM

Traitors of the land, go to Hell.

Schadenfreude on January 22, 2014 at 3:33 PM

I don’t think this is as bad policy-wise as you and Drew are making it out to be (from a political standpoint, you may be right). I don’t know if you live in an area where a lot of illegal aliens do, but let me tell you: they get special treatment NOW. I’d hope that without having to deal with the political hot potato of illegal alien status, the cops would start actually applying the laws that we all have to abide by to illegal aliens as well.

besser tot als rot on January 22, 2014 at 3:33 PM

I’ll go for this as long as they pair it with a law saying that it will still be illegal for someone to refuse to pay your income taxes, but there won’t be any penalties or enforcement of any kind if you don’t.

that sounds fair to me.

Tom Servo on January 22, 2014 at 3:34 PM

This would make illegals into quasi-legals and bring us back to Jim Crow times with two classes of citizens.

Bad idea.

Johnnyreb on January 22, 2014 at 3:34 PM

McCarthy is as traitorous as Cantor, Boehner and obama.

Schadenfreude on January 22, 2014 at 3:34 PM

This would make illegals into quasi-legals and bring us back to Jim Crow times with two classes of citizens.

Bad idea.

Johnnyreb on January 22, 2014 at 3:34 PM

I don’t really think so. Just make it a new kind of Visa. People here on a Visa don’t have citizenship, and most don’t have the opportunity to ever become citizens based on their Visa status alone.

besser tot als rot on January 22, 2014 at 3:36 PM

United States federal immigration law was designed and drafted to protect United States citizens and legal immigrants from predation by illegal aliens, not to protect or serve illegal aliens.

Congress is meant to serve the interests of United States citizens and legal immigrants, not foreign nationals who’ve willfully shattered federal law.

There are about 4.5 million potential legal immigrants around the world waiting in line to come to this nation legally who are already taking part in the legal means to come to this nation.

Rewarding those who’ve willfully shattered federal immigration law and made of themselves illegal aliens doesn’t serve the interest of American citizens or legal immigrants or those who would become legal immigrants through the immigration system.

thatsafactjack on January 22, 2014 at 3:37 PM

Any legal status leads to citizenship. Just shows you how stupid the GOP is … or how stupid they think we are.

aniptofar on January 22, 2014 at 3:37 PM

A new Quinipiac poll came out today. Immigration reform should be a top priority according to 2% of respondents. Gun control isn’t much better at only 1%. The economy, jobs and healthcare polled highest and this is what the GOP should be focused on.

Wigglesworth on January 22, 2014 at 3:37 PM

Nah, the Left wouldn’t demagogue second-class non-citizenship 24/7/365. No way!

Uh, well…

It was a dumb idea every time it was broached before, and it’s a dumb idea now.

If Democrats won’t go along with standalone border security that is in place long enough to confirm it actually works as promised, then no deal. Period.

Between the war on the teaparty and betraying career military, GOP is apparently going for a trifecta of fail. Idjuts.

Apparently the party is willing to screw the party, the country, low-skilled workers and legal immigrants, so long as they can protect vulnerable individual members (or think they can, which flies in the face of every poll I’ve ever seen).

Screw the base, screw military, screw America. This is your new Republican recipe for success. Thanks but no thanks.

ConservativeLA on January 22, 2014 at 3:38 PM

Rewarding those who’ve willfully shattered federal immigration law and made of themselves illegal aliens doesn’t serve the interest of American citizens or legal immigrants or those who would become legal immigrants through the immigration system.

thatsafactjack on January 22, 2014 at 3:37 PM

They are rewarded now. So, how do we avoid rewarding them? It is impossible. Personally, I’d rather force them to live by the laws that the rest of us second-class residents (i.e., citizens) have to live by.

besser tot als rot on January 22, 2014 at 3:38 PM

Hey, as of today the muzzies in the mil. are allowed to wear turbans and beards, rubes.

Schadenfreude on January 22, 2014 at 3:39 PM

but they also don’t want to lose their ability to demagogue Republicans as racist. Legalization without citizenship — i.e. “Jim Crow for illegals,” as the new lefty talking point will describe it

Yup. And guess what. They are ALREADY doing that! Just 5 days ago possible VP nominee Julian Castro said this:

““It would be unprecedented in American history for us to create a permanent class of folks who are not citizens outside of slavery. And we certainly learned our lesson from that.”

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/01/17/Julian-Castro-Compares-Illegal-Immigrants-to-Black-Slaves

cdog0613 on January 22, 2014 at 3:39 PM

The Party of R is bound to screw this up. Determined if I didn’t know better.

Bmore on January 22, 2014 at 3:40 PM

I don’t really think so. Just make it a new kind of Visa. People here on a Visa don’t have citizenship, and most don’t have the opportunity to ever become citizens based on their Visa status alone.

besser tot als rot on January 22, 2014 at 3:36 PM

And how long would it take for the ACLU and others to make the equal protection lawsuits fly in all 50 states?

Johnnyreb on January 22, 2014 at 3:41 PM

Sachiko on January 22, 2014 at 3:32 PM

Legalization would mean the illegal aliens would be granted legal status, they’d be issued a green card ( permanent legal residency)which would entitle them to numerous benefits under the law. They would be allowed to work in this nation legally, pay taxes, and remain in this nation. They would not be eligible to vote.

Here’s the no citizenship plan detailed by Ted Cruz.
Ted Cruz on immigration reform at the Texas Tribune Fest 2013

Green cards all around for the illegal aliens currently at large in this nation PLUS tripling legal immigration.

Here’s Cruz saying the same thing in print.
On immigration Cruz aims for middle ground

thatsafactjack on January 22, 2014 at 3:42 PM

And the punchline, of course, is that it’ll make no one happy. Conservative media will paint this, correctly, as a sellout and pro-amnesty groups will begin agitating for full citizenship within minutes after a legalization bill passes. McCarthy himself, I assume, knows that it’s garbage as policy but feels he has no choice but to push it because he comes from a California district with a significant Latino population.

So why do it then? The worst of both worlds is not what you should strive for in politics or in anything for that matter. It’s not like amnesty is even an important issue for the vast majority of voters. It would be one thing if the GOP was trying to walk a fine line on something like hiking the minimum wage. But no one gives a crap about immigration reform, not even Latinos.

Exit question: If Congress doesn’t pass some sort of reform before the midterms, Obama’s going to do it with via his presidential super powers, right?

Fine, then let him. If Obama wants to go full Palpatine, so be it. He can own the clusterfark of amnesty just like he owns Obamacare.

Doughboy on January 22, 2014 at 3:42 PM

McCarthy is as traitorous as Cantor, Boehner and obama.

Schadenfreude on January 22, 2014 at 3:34 PM

Don’t forget Paul Ryan.

Wethal on January 22, 2014 at 3:42 PM

aniptofar on January 22, 2014 at 3:37 PM

Yes. Any legalization is a de facto path to citizenship.

Wigglesworth on January 22, 2014 at 3:42 PM

A new Quinipiac poll came out today. Immigration reform should be a top priority according to 2% of respondents. Gun control isn’t much better at only 1%. The economy, jobs and healthcare polled highest and this is what the GOP should be focused on.

Wigglesworth on January 22, 2014 at 3:37 PM

This is the bigger point about how worthless the GOP is. They can’t fight on spending/debt because they don’t want to distract from Obamacare. Then, they bring up various amnesty provisions? Does that mean that distracting everyone from Obamacare with immigration reform is worth it? They are stupid, untrustworthy liars.

(Note: I don’t think that this is amnesty, but I think that this is just the first salvo that will end up being amnesty by the time it gets to Obama’s desk.)

besser tot als rot on January 22, 2014 at 3:42 PM

Just great. These clowns keep trying the spaghetti trick–throw it against the wall and see when it sticks.

How about meeting with immigration agents as well as immigrants and green card/visa holders who followed the rules. They would be happy to help reform the system.

Instead, they meet with businesses who hire and protect illegals and also with pro-illegal immigration activists. What a joke.

Christien on January 22, 2014 at 3:43 PM

The goal isn’t to produce smart policy or to solve the problem of illegal immigration. The goal is to kinda sorta placate the conservative base whose votes they need while wooing the left-leaning Latinos the rent-seeking Big Ag and Big Business companies whose votes money they want.

ReWrite™ engaged for the effects of K Street.

Steve Eggleston on January 22, 2014 at 3:43 PM

And how long would it take for the ACLU and others to make the equal protection lawsuits fly in all 50 states?

Johnnyreb on January 22, 2014 at 3:41 PM

It could happen because the courts are irrational. But, I think rationally, it’d be no different than current Visa residents – there isn’t really any reasonable equal protection argument for them being granted citizenship. The same should be applicable here.

besser tot als rot on January 22, 2014 at 3:44 PM

Even with just work visas, foreigners are getting American jobs before Americans. That cannot happen.

jeffn21 on January 22, 2014 at 3:44 PM

A nice example of what I said last week about Republicans forging their immigration policy based not on what works but on what they think they can sell

And what is it that does work?

OK, this particular idea of “legalization without citizenship” is pathetic and weak…at best. Illegal immigration is a problem, and no small one. But as I’ve been saying for years, the “Round ‘em up, ship ‘em out” notion is equally as bad, or even more so.

JetBoy on January 22, 2014 at 3:45 PM

Why are marxist democrat scum running our party?

onomo on January 22, 2014 at 3:46 PM

Legalization would mean the illegal aliens would be granted legal status, they’d be issued a green card ( permanent legal residency)which would entitle them to numerous benefits under the law. They would be allowed to work in this nation legally, pay taxes, and remain in this nation. They would not be eligible to vote.

thatsafactjack on January 22, 2014 at 3:42 PM

I wouldn’t give them a green card. That implies path to citizenship. I’d give them a Visa.

besser tot als rot on January 22, 2014 at 3:46 PM

Sachiko on January 22, 2014 at 3:32 PM

Permanent resident aliens, aka green card holders. They pushed for blanket amnesty and naturalization, but today’s economy won’t allow them to do that unscathed.

So, now they are pushing a path to citizenship via giving all illegals green cards–the proverbial foot in the door.

Christien on January 22, 2014 at 3:47 PM

besser tot als rot on January 22, 2014 at 3:38 PM

E-verify mandated for every employer with stiff penalties, vigorously and consistently enforced.

End automatic birthright citizenship for the children of foreign nationals unless one parent is a citizen or legal permanent resident.

End access to federal benefits like SNAP (food stamps)for illegal aliens.

The Democrats, in trying to make the case that it would be too expensive to deport all illegal aliens, estimated the cost at $40 Billion. This nation spends $113 Billion/year on social services for illegal aliens. This does not include what we spend on the judicial system or penal system, on border patrol, ICE, etc.

thatsafactjack on January 22, 2014 at 3:48 PM

besser tot als rot on January 22, 2014 at 3:46 PM

The plan is green cards all around and tripling legal immigration ( visas). Since 60% of all illegal aliens currently at large in the nation entered the nation on a visa and simply never left when it expired, this is a recipe for a larger and more intractable illegal alien population.

thatsafactjack on January 22, 2014 at 3:50 PM

JetBoy on January 22, 2014 at 3:45 PM

Take away the incentives and most self-deport. NO one rounds anyone up. Quit typing about a non-item, pls. It’s bad enough that the left claim such when it doesn’t exist.

Schadenfreude on January 22, 2014 at 3:50 PM

thatsafactjack on January 22, 2014 at 3:48 PM

That’s all well and good, but if you live in an area with a high illegal alien population, it is impossible to get a blue collar job because the illegal aliens have them and get them all. And they can break the laws with impunity. I don’t know how talking about best case scenarios that will never happen will help us.

besser tot als rot on January 22, 2014 at 3:51 PM

Complete effing idiots. We have between 25 and 30 million unemployed and these brainless fools are talking about adding another indeterminate number between 11 and 20 million. PLUS!

180,000 Guest workers per year to steal good jobs from US citizens and reduce OUR wages.

All because our congress is run by and populated by CROOKS who are bought and paid for by big business.

dogsoldier on January 22, 2014 at 3:52 PM

House GOP number three: How about legalization without citizenship for illegals?

…what is it about the word “illegal”…that is hard to understand?

KOOLAID2 on January 22, 2014 at 3:52 PM

How about we deport these citizens of other countries and building a really scary big fence so they can’t come back?

neyney on January 22, 2014 at 3:52 PM

How about this :
Give Work Permits to only those illegals who meet ALL of the following criteria :
1. Have a US citizen employer who can prove the illegal has been his/her employee for more than 2 continuous years

2. The employer and the illegal pays all the back taxes owed due to under the table payments to illegal

3. The illegal confesses to ALL the fake/stolen SS#s he/she and their family has been using to get benefits

4. The US citizen employer guarantees that this illegal is absolutely necessary and no other person like this illegal will ever be found to do the same work

5. The US citizen employer guarantees that this illegal will be employed at his/her current job for atleast 3 more years, no exceptions

6. Total and comprehensive criminal background check of the illegal and the sponsoring employer , in all 50 states

7. Biometric ID for the illegal and everyone in his family

8. No chain immigration of drug dealers family members

9. Immediate deportation of the illegal and the family if they commit ANY crime, or demand welfare/food stamps

10. After 10 years of work permit, the illegal is examined again for another 10 yr work permit, using the same criteria

burrata on January 22, 2014 at 3:52 PM

The people purporting to “reform” immigration are in bed with the businesses and shareholders who profit from hiring and protecting illegals.

Christien on January 22, 2014 at 3:53 PM

I’d give them a Visa.

besser tot als rot on January 22, 2014 at 3:46 PM

I’d give them a one-way ticket, home. It’s what all the other lands do, or used to do anyway.

Schadenfreude on January 22, 2014 at 3:53 PM

besser tot als rot on January 22, 2014 at 3:51 PM

I’m a veteran of the border wars, sport. Never assume that those of us actually offering solutions, rather than caving in and suggesting visas for all illegal aliens, haven’t lived on the front lines.

thatsafactjack on January 22, 2014 at 3:53 PM

I know the GOP has a lot of idiots but are they seriously entertaining an amnesty and a massive increase in legal immigration?

The public, of all political stripes, opposes both. Especially at a time of such high unemployment.

Why the GOP would risk losing House seats and not taking the Senate by pursuing this issue at this time is confusing.

The GOP will lose even more of the Reagan Democrats they need and much of the base will stay home.

This has got to be the most foolish strategy I’ve ever witnessed.

And it will further erode the brand they’re always complaining about by making them tools of greedy businesses in the CoC. I can see the ads now, “hey kids, having a hard time finding a job after college? Blame the CoC caucus of the Republican Party.”

Charlemagne on January 22, 2014 at 3:53 PM

It could happen because the courts are irrational. But, I think rationally, it’d be no different than current Visa residents – there isn’t really any reasonable equal protection argument for them being granted citizenship. The same should be applicable here.

besser tot als rot on January 22, 2014 at 3:44 PM

And why do you think Obama and Reid are packing the Federal Courts right now? The Nuke option will have consequences longer than I am going to be alive. 40+ years or so.

There is nothing rational about what is going on with regards to Federal Judges being picked with no chance of filibuster.

Johnnyreb on January 22, 2014 at 3:54 PM

Schadenfreude on January 22, 2014 at 3:53 PM

That’s still true on all non-western nations. Generally, in those nations, the individual is given a stiff prison sentence at hard labor, and if they survive, they get that one-way ticket home.

thatsafactjack on January 22, 2014 at 3:54 PM

Federal judges would rule it unconstitutional, just like the English language fluency requirement, and the sponsor being responsible for the immigrant, and the healthy people only, and the US loyalty requirement …..

Just like the partial birth abortion fiasco, antiUS Federal judges would race each other to be the first, then just first in their district, to throw such out as “Unconstitutional”.

jhnone on January 22, 2014 at 3:55 PM

The Republicans really want to find a different way to destroy the country than Obama.

We need a new party – the only question is how to manage the transition so that the Dimms can’t destroy the country during the two election cycles it will take to gain a majority for the new replacement party.

CatoRenasci on January 22, 2014 at 3:55 PM

Legalization would mean the illegal aliens would be granted legal status, they’d be issued a green card ( permanent legal residency)which would entitle them to numerous benefits under the law. They would be allowed to work in this nation legally, pay taxes, and remain in this nation. They would not be eligible to vote.

Here’s the no citizenship plan detailed by Ted Cruz.
Ted Cruz on immigration reform at the Texas Tribune Fest 2013

Green cards all around for the illegal aliens currently at large in this nation PLUS tripling legal immigration.

Here’s Cruz saying the same thing in print.
On immigration Cruz aims for middle ground

thatsafactjack on January 22, 2014 at 3:42 PM

Permanent resident aliens, aka green card holders. They pushed for blanket amnesty and naturalization, but today’s economy won’t allow them to do that unscathed.

So, now they are pushing a path to citizenship via giving all illegals green cards–the proverbial foot in the door.

Christien on January 22, 2014 at 3:47 PM

thanks, i understand more now.

i’m not sure how i feel about all this! it’s a complicated issue. jetboy is right that we can’t simply deport everyone. some people are going to stay. so they are going to be these “resident aliens” i guess. liberals will say that that’s racist, but they say that about everything anyway.

Sachiko on January 22, 2014 at 3:57 PM

And screw the Democrats. They can’t hold border enforcement, aka, the “law” hostage to their demands for more Democrat voters.

One fact completely overlooked is what the illegals want. They don’t want citizenship. They want work visas so they can come and go as needed to work. And they want to return home to live once they’ve accumulated enough money. The Democrats don’t want them to go home which is why they oppose a guest worker program.

Charlemagne on January 22, 2014 at 3:58 PM

The Democrats, in trying to make the case that it would be too expensive to deport all illegal aliens, estimated the cost at $40 Billion. This nation spends $113 Billion/year on social services for illegal aliens. This does not include what we spend on the judicial system or penal system, on border patrol, ICE, etc.

thatsafactjack on January 22, 2014 at 3:48 PM

They are liars. One day I performed the following exercise. I calculated exactly what it would cost to send them all home the same way they got here, no, not on foot. A few at a time.

In the end the number I came up with was about a tenth of what we spend each year on the war on drugs. Of course, I factored in policies that make illegals as uncomfortable as possible which motivates them to self deport.

Make it a FELONY automatic five years in prison for hiring an illegal. Arrest and incarcerate a few people.

According to one source the true Unemployment rate is 37.5%.

Is congress on another planet? How canthey even be discussing this?

dogsoldier on January 22, 2014 at 3:59 PM

NO @$*AS!#!#HOLE.

ANY votes for amnesty or legal status is TREASON.

If you want to grant an extension of a WORK VISA, thats fine.

TX-96 on January 22, 2014 at 3:59 PM

Charlemagne on January 22, 2014 at 3:53 PM

To please big business donors in hopes of being able to buy their re-elections.

Big business is laying off working Americans as swiftly as they can, and they wish to replace those Americans, on whom they are obliged to pay taxes and benefits at a much higher rate than foreign labor, and foreign labor will work for lower salaries and wages, to boot, and demanding more legal immigration and amnesty in order to get those foreign workers.

Our political class wishes to sell the citizens, the rule of law, national sovereignty, and the value of citizenship itself, down the river in exchange for big business’ patronage.

thatsafactjack on January 22, 2014 at 3:59 PM

Sachiko on January 22, 2014 at 3:57 PM

There is no need to deport anyone. Simply throw a few employers of illegals in jail, confiscate their businesses, and crack down on the employment of illegals so that the work dries up and most will have no choice but to go home. Stripping them of any public services will also help. For example, illegals qualify for the EITC!

Charlemagne on January 22, 2014 at 4:00 PM

I’d give them a one-way ticket, home. It’s what all the other lands do, or used to do anyway.

Schadenfreude on January 22, 2014 at 3:53 PM

Obviously, that would be preferred, but how can we make that happen? We can’t. If we set up a visa system that requires a hefty fee, no government welfare, and required deportation for non-compliance with the visa (along with verified enforcement of the border and beefed up internal enforcement), we’d have a better system than we do now. Right now, I’m just looking for better than now … I’d prefer perfect, but that’s going to have to wait.

besser tot als rot on January 22, 2014 at 4:01 PM

What to do as tech replaces backs? Will the US still be attractive to lower skilled workers?

Bmore on January 22, 2014 at 4:01 PM

thatsafactjack on January 22, 2014 at 3:59 PM

Accenture pays H1-B Chief Programmers 22k. US companies usually have to pay 110 to 120k for that job.

Accenture, btw was handed the no bid contract for the ObamaCare website.

dogsoldier on January 22, 2014 at 4:02 PM

And why do you think Obama and Reid are packing the Federal Courts right now? The Nuke option will have consequences longer than I am going to be alive. 40+ years or so.

There is nothing rational about what is going on with regards to Federal Judges being picked with no chance of filibuster.

Johnnyreb on January 22, 2014 at 3:54 PM

Well, if that’s the worry, I wouldn’t put it past those clowns just granting citizenship to illegal aliens, irrespective of the law anyway.

besser tot als rot on January 22, 2014 at 4:02 PM

These clowns are either the biggest morons in the world, or they think we are. Of course another possibility is that they are suicidal.

rjh on January 22, 2014 at 3:27 PM

Could it be all three?

Galt2009 on January 22, 2014 at 4:02 PM

thatsafactjack on January 22, 2014 at 3:59 PM

If it’s tech work, they should just outsource it then if we’re too expensive. Stop importing people.

Charlemagne on January 22, 2014 at 4:03 PM

Actually, it doesn’t matter what republicans say when the media asks, they configure some kind of headline to make legalization sound like a forgone conclusion.

You can’t make the statement “we need some kind of reform” without the media saying you support the comprehensive senate version.

The only solution on this matter is silence.

Fleuries on January 22, 2014 at 4:03 PM

Bmore on January 22, 2014 at 4:01 PM

After reading about the greatest invetion of all time and tipping Ed to it, aka the robotic gourmet burger machine, I started thinking about breakfast robots.

dogsoldier on January 22, 2014 at 4:04 PM

Any amnesty vote is the dealbreaker for me
No more H1B visas to depress US STEM worker wages

Call Congress toll free
866-220-0044

ginaswo on January 22, 2014 at 4:04 PM

John McCain just emailed. He wants to repeal 0Care. I promptly unsubscribed. ; )

Bmore on January 22, 2014 at 4:04 PM

If amnesty passes this year Pelosi will be Speaker in 2015 and Hillary will be president in 2017, and the Rs will never win anything, ever again, deservedly.

Alas, they don’t care to be in the minority, so long as they live regal lives. Throw them all out.

Schadenfreude on January 22, 2014 at 4:04 PM

We have elected federal officials, in both parties, that are refusing to perform their sworn duty, i.e. enforcing the laws of our nation. There is no gray area on this. Every single minute of inaction, every word-mincing session, every dollar in benefits and services rendered to illegals is treasonous behavior.

Enforce the laws. Period.

And when we see you doing that, maybe then we can have a discussion about changing those laws.

M240H on January 22, 2014 at 4:05 PM

What to do as tech replaces backs? Will the US still be attractive to lower skilled workers?

Bmore on January 22, 2014 at 4:01 PM

I can understand ” lower skilled”.
But ” workers” ?
We all know illegals don’t come here to work, a few exceptions maybe, but they don’t come here to work.
And they don’t work.

burrata on January 22, 2014 at 4:05 PM

dogsoldier on January 22, 2014 at 3:59 PM

I didn’t say I agree with the LEFT’S figure on deportation costs. I simply used it to point out that we spend much more on social services alone for illegal aliens every year.

The CBO has estimated that if amnesty were granted to those 11 million estimated illegal aliens, the cost to the nation relevant to ObamaCare alone( they’d be required under law to have insurance under Obamacare and since most are low skilled labor they’d qualify for full subsidies) would be $2 Trillion over ten years.

Oh, and big business doesn’t just want high skilled tech workers, scientists, engineers, and doctors they want low skilled workers too, lots of them. 280 CEO’s write White House demanding more ‘lower skilled workers’.

thatsafactjack on January 22, 2014 at 4:06 PM

The goal is to kinda sorta placate the conservative base whose votes they need while wooing the left-leaning Latinos whose votes they want. serve their K Street cronies.

FIFY

FloatingRock on January 22, 2014 at 4:06 PM

I’m a veteran of the border wars, sport. Never assume that those of us actually offering solutions, rather than caving in and suggesting visas for all illegal aliens, haven’t lived on the front lines.

thatsafactjack on January 22, 2014 at 3:53 PM

I didn’t assume anything, sport (?). I’m sick of illegal aliens getting away with breaking the law day in and day out. Which is what happens. They get away with identity theft, fraud, drunk driving, etc., etc. just because the cops don’t want to deal with them. What are you solutions to that? Because that is happening right now. Every day.

besser tot als rot on January 22, 2014 at 4:06 PM

Sachiko on January 22, 2014 at 3:57 PM

The solution is simple. Follow the rules already in place. If you cannot or will not, go home and start over.

Just curious, but how do you handle people who cut ahead of you in line at the grocery store, bank, post office, etc? Do you make them wait their turn, or are you too embarrassed to call them out?

Christien on January 22, 2014 at 4:06 PM

The building where I work recently replaced the after-hours cleaning crew composed of Somali women with a new crew composed of Mexican men.

As far as I know, there weren’t any complaints about the Somali gals, but already there have been issues with the Mexican guys.

Must be a gender thing.

Bruno Strozek on January 22, 2014 at 4:07 PM

The wage for US MCSE Microsoft cert software engineer has DECLINED from 67k to 61k in past 4 yrs

The H1B visas are a cap on US wage growth

We cant CONSUME MOAR to boost GDP if they keep flooding us w lower cost imported workers who don’t need Obamacare etc etc

Meanwhile FedRes continues to devalue US Dollar and all needed goods cost more despite fake CPI data

ginaswo on January 22, 2014 at 4:08 PM

It’s getting harder and harder to defend being a Republican with idiots like this occupying leadership positions.

DaMav on January 22, 2014 at 4:08 PM

Charlemagne on January 22, 2014 at 4:03 PM

It’s not just tech work. Or scientists, doctors, or engineers.

280 CEO’S Write the White House Demanding More ‘Lower Skilled Workers’.

thatsafactjack on January 22, 2014 at 4:09 PM

future illegals

yes, the abundant children of the fertile immigrants, check California where Hispanics have suddenly surged to making up over 50% of the public school system.

and the relatives. en masse. 50 million from Mexico et al and basically they will control the politics of this country. sounds a lot like a takeover.

anotherJoe on January 22, 2014 at 4:09 PM

Anyway – I simply don’t trust the GOP to do what they say. So, even if I agreed with their proposals, I don’t trust them to pass a law doing what they say it will, nor do I trust Obama (or a GOP president) to enforce it even if it did.

So, my question is: why are they even talking about this? Shouldn’t we be focussed on Obamacare? If we can stand to be distracted from Obamacare now, I’d like to revisit their catastrophic budget.

besser tot als rot on January 22, 2014 at 4:10 PM

The building where I work recently replaced the after-hours cleaning crew composed of Somali women with a new crew composed of Mexican men.

As far as I know, there weren’t any complaints about the Somali gals, but already there have been issues with the Mexican guys.

Must be a gender thing.

Bruno Strozek on January 22, 2014 at 4:07 PM

What if all those able bodied useless hoodlums on welfare who crowd outside malls to buy the newest Jordan sneakers
forced by law
to do 40 hrs / week
of janitorial work in return for welfare /food stamps/ disability / unemployment checks ?

It is sufficiently low skilled work for these parasites I believe.

burrata on January 22, 2014 at 4:12 PM

Charlemagne on January 22, 2014 at 4:00 PM

Yep. Permanently shutter the biggest repeat offender businesses and jail their CEOs (not in Club Fed, either).

And tax the crap out of remittances to Mexico and Central America until they take real steps to stop the illegal flow of their citizens to the U.S. Tie bilateral aid to it, too.

Christien on January 22, 2014 at 4:12 PM

Is congress on another planet? How can they even be discussing this?

Because that is what lobby money from interested parties are paying them to do. Not to worry about the futures of those in the GOP. Once the GOP becomes extinct, they will gladly become dems if they wish to remain in politics, become well paid lobbyists themselves, or retire quietly on the loot they acquired while being in office, and far too many on a wonderful taxpayer paid pension and benefits plan.

hawkeye54 on January 22, 2014 at 4:13 PM

dogsoldier on January 22, 2014 at 4:04 PM

Breakfast robots. Yum!?!?

burrata on January 22, 2014 at 4:05 PM

Probably a mix. The only illegals I have ever known worked very hard indeed.

Bmore on January 22, 2014 at 4:13 PM

How many legal immigrants come into the US every year? It’s something like a million a year, right? How can such a large number of people come in legally, our laws are fairly lenient from a layman’s perspective, plus there are all those entitlements that legals and illegals have access to! And yet this country is racist and cruel and evil with a broken immigration policy…

Seriously, no one can point this out? No one can suggest maybe it’s not our system that’s broken but the enforcement and the attitude of those gaming the system? We have umpteen millions of people out of work and unable to find a job, we have a… somewhere today I saw it suggest something like a 37% unemployment rate, and yet we need more people in the workforce…

Come on Stupid Party! Start smartening up or you’re going the way of the dodo.

Ukiah on January 22, 2014 at 4:13 PM

Well, if that’s the worry, I wouldn’t put it past those clowns just granting citizenship to illegal aliens, irrespective of the law anyway.

besser tot als rot on January 22, 2014 at 4:02 PM

And that is what is already happening irrespective of any laws by Obama and Holder refusing to enforce Federal Immigration laws and that will continue to happen for the next 3 years Obama is in Office.

Once the Senate flips Republican this year look for even more disregard for any Federal immigration laws and an even larger push for some sort of Amnesty.

Johnnyreb on January 22, 2014 at 4:14 PM

How about instead we pass a law saying that only American citizens must be paid at least the Minimum Wage and be covered under FICA, in other words, legalize the black-market labor being performed by non-citizens? After all, only illegals with no intention to work will even want to become citizens and the demand for black-market labor will be unaffected by amnesty.

Knott Buyinit on January 22, 2014 at 4:15 PM

besser tot als rot on January 22, 2014 at 4:06 PM

I’ll put this simply.

Enforce existing federal immigration law. Arrest and prosecute state officials from police chief to Governor in ‘sanctuary states’. End federal funding to any state that defies federal law.

Allow Border Patrol and ICE to use the powers granted them under the law.

Enforce the border security legislation passed in 2009. The Obama administration has refused to enforce the law.

Remove the incentives for illegal aliens to come to this nation or remain in this nation by implementing mandatory E-verify nationwide for every employer, prosecute, fine and imprison every employer who violates the law.

End automatic birthright citizenship for the children of foreign nationals unless one parent is a citizen or permanent legal resident.

End benefits, such as SNAP ( foodstamps) for illegal aliens.

Enforce tracking of visas, when it expires, see that the foreign worker leaves the nation immediately.

These measures have already been implemented in nations around the world and have been proven effective.

Go to a site called FAIR ( Federation of Americans for Immigration Reform). This organization can provide you with all the facts, figures, and information you require. This organization is a legitimate organization and has been functioning to protect U.S. citizen’s rights for over 20 years.

thatsafactjack on January 22, 2014 at 4:17 PM

And… if you like the illegal alien’s you have… you can have MORE illegal aliens in the years to come.

Amnesty, any form of reward, will only see more illegal aliens taking what they choose from this nation.

thatsafactjack on January 22, 2014 at 4:19 PM

This would make illegals into quasi-legals and bring us back to Jim Crow times with two classes of citizens.

Bad idea.

Johnnyreb on January 22, 2014 at 3:34 PM

Yes it would. It is a bad idea. They should either do the right thing and enforce the immigration laws or give them citizenship. I oppose rewarding illegals with citizenship, but I oppose un-American efforts to make them second-class citizens even more. I’m sure the courts will agree and grant them full citizenship should that happen.

FloatingRock on January 22, 2014 at 4:19 PM

How about defeating the gangs first. Then any of their illegal friends and families who cry foul.

Christien on January 22, 2014 at 4:22 PM

I’m sure the GOP and their cronies know full well that the courts will never allow them to create an official second class quasi citizenship status and will grant them full citizenship. I think that’s that the Chamber of Crony Commerce and other corporatists are counting on.

FloatingRock on January 22, 2014 at 4:22 PM

The only illegals I have ever known worked very hard indeed.

Bmore on January 22, 2014 at 4:13 PM

Using whose ID and SS# ?

burrata on January 22, 2014 at 4:26 PM

All this is is a bridge to full amnesty to be granted by the courts.

FloatingRock on January 22, 2014 at 4:26 PM

Again, I laugh at the ignorance.

Has no one ever seen a trial balloon from a politician that is geared towards defusing potential issues in his home district?

Everyone in leadership knows the base isn’t going for any sort of reform EXCEPT for “enforcement first, implemented and demonstrated to be working” before any talk of guest workers, legalizations, or paths to citizenship. And there aren’t even the votes in the caucus for it.

They also know they are looking at a good midterm by riding the disastrous ObamaCare and backlash against his treatment of Israel and Iran and kow-towing to Putin. The last thing they need is something to a) totally change the subject, and b) divide the Party in an election year.

But let anyone even mention it, let some intern from Talking Points Memo write an article, and it’s like Pavlov ringing a bell.

Adjoran on January 22, 2014 at 4:28 PM

Using whose ID and SS# ?

burrata on January 22, 2014 at 4:26 PM

I said they were illegal, did I not? No documents. Illegal.

Bmore on January 22, 2014 at 4:29 PM

And… if you like the illegal alien’s you have… you can have MORE illegal aliens in the years to come.

Amnesty, any form of reward, will only see more illegal aliens taking what they choose from this nation.

thatsafactjack on January 22, 2014 at 4:19 PM

This is part of the entire agenda of breaking the back of this Republic and end our unjust and unfair international influence as a world power. Revenge on those who are responsible for exploiting poor brown and black peoples around the world, greedily consuming more than our fair share of resources and getting rich off the effort.

Bring as many poor downtrodden here to supplant citizens (who expect to be paid too well) in the workforce and get firsthand redistribution of the resources we’ve selfishly enjoyed for way too long.

Eventually, I can see as the population swells and further segments and splinters due to too many unassimilated, competing and varying cultures, that the US could be balkanized into more “manageable” entities.

/SNARAK

hawkeye54 on January 22, 2014 at 4:30 PM

I got my Green Card more than 5 years ago after a decade of studying, getting an important degree, getting an offer by a US corporation, plus 3 years of the immigration process and a ton of money spent on it (plus the s#$% ton paid in taxes as a result of years or professional work). Yet, coming back from abroad after Christmas, I am still looked at and questioned at Customs as if I was an illegal and was about to break the law. And the people who have actually been doing it for years will get a free pass?

Can I present a charge of discrimination against the US government? Because, apparently, you need to be an illegal Mexican to be left alone, treated with silk gloves, and be given everything served on a silver platter.

ptcamn on January 22, 2014 at 4:31 PM

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