House GOP number three: How about legalization without citizenship for illegals?

posted at 3:21 pm on January 22, 2014 by Allahpundit

A nice example of what I said last week about Republicans forging their immigration policy based not on what works but on what they think they can sell. Legalization without citizenship is, as DrewM says, arguably the worst possible outcome policy-wise. It rewards illegals by letting them stay in the U.S. indefinitely, creating an incentive for future illegals to cross the border, but then tries to punish them by relegating them to a status of uncertainty. Will they ever be allowed to apply for citizenship or will they be stuck forever as second-class quasi-citizens? No one knows. And no one in the GOP leadership really cares. They like this dopey idea because they think they can sell it to both sides. To conservatives, they can crow that they held the line and refused to create a special path to citizenship like Rubio and the Gang of Eight did. To amnesty shills, they can crow that they’ve given illegals a legal foothold to stay and work here in the U.S., with citizenship through some process inevitable in the fullness of time. The goal isn’t to produce smart policy or to solve the problem of illegal immigration. The goal is to kinda sorta placate the conservative base whose votes they need while wooing the left-leaning Latinos whose votes they want.

And the punchline, of course, is that it’ll make no one happy. Conservative media will paint this, correctly, as a sellout and pro-amnesty groups will begin agitating for full citizenship within minutes after a legalization bill passes. McCarthy himself, I assume, knows that it’s garbage as policy but feels he has no choice but to push it because he comes from a California district with a significant Latino population.

McCarthy stated his personal view on the contentious issue in an interview with KBAK/KBFX Eyewitness News in his hometown of Bakersfield, Calif. He signaled that the call for a provisional legal status would be included in the immigration reform principles House Republican leaders are soon to release.

“The principles aren’t written yet, but in my personal belief, I think it’ll go with legal status that will allow you to work and pay taxes,” McCarthy said.

McCarthy made clear he did not favor carving out a new path to citizenship for the estimated 11 million people in the country illegally. But his position appears to comport with the views of other senior Republicans who have called for illegal immigrants to have access to the existing route to citizenship once they receive an initial legal status and fulfill other requirements…

Immigration advocates have targeted McCarthy, whose district includes a large Hispanic population.

“[I]t is unclear whether Democrats would back such a compromise,” says the Hill. I don’t think it’s that unclear. Easy solution: The GOP could create a path to citizenship for DREAMers, which they seem inclined to do anyway, and offer that to Democrats in return for legalization without citizenship for adult illegals. Democrats will happily take that half-loaf. They want a deal so that they can show their Latino base that they finally delivered on immigration, but they also don’t want to lose their ability to demagogue Republicans as racist. Legalization without citizenship — i.e. “Jim Crow for illegals,” as the new lefty talking point will describe it — plus a DREAM amnesty allows them to do both. They’d be nuts to turn it down. As long as they don’t have to wait until border security has been measurably improved before legalization takes effect, they’ve got 90 percent of what they wanted from this process.

By the way, remember when Jeb Bush endorsed this idea too? It’s still bizarre to me that the great establishment hope, who’s supposed to be the GOP’s last, best chance to woo Latinos, would back a plan that’ll soon be compared by Democrats everywhere to segregation, but I guess he needed a gimmick to distinguish himself from Rubio after Rubio took the lead on comprehensive reform in the Senate. I’m curious to see if Bush sticks with it now that Rubio and his other presumptive centrist rival Chris Christie are fading.

Exit question: If Congress doesn’t pass some sort of reform before the midterms, Obama’s going to do it with via his presidential super powers, right?

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If, as we’re constantly being told, there are jobs going unfilled because they involve work “Americans won’t do,” then why not have a system of Work Visas for those seeking those jobs?

In my career I’ve had to work and live in other countries and if I were to recommend a model it would be SIngapore. To get a Work Permit in Singapore my company had to show:

1. That a local couldn’t do the job.

2. Had to either provide health insurance or sign a statement that they would act as guarantor for payment for any treatment received in Singaporean health facilities.

3. We had to live in private housing, not in a government-subsidised flat.

4. If we brought children to Singapore they had to be educated in a tuition-paying school and could not attend the public schools.

Despite these restrictions there is no shortage of foreign companies operating in Singapore, nor is there any trouble fining people willing to relocate there.

potkas7 on January 23, 2014 at 8:37 AM

My fundamental issue is that dissent, one primary building block of freedom, is no longer tolerated by either party.

We don’t have anyone to fight for “us”, the people. We have a bunch of oligarchs using our government for their own ends.

Currently, the administration uses the auspices of government, without consequence, to crush those who disagree with them. They use organizations funded with our tax money, such as the IRS and DoJ, to destroy citizens with whom they disagree. They’ve taken over almost 50% of our economy and moved well beyond constitutional mandate.

Legislators nowadays call the workings of democracy and a diversity of opinion “extreme”, meanwhile they simultaneously obfuscate, destroy and tear down the basic tenets of freedom in our republic- while the people, using divisiveness they’ve set in motion, are distracted tearing each other apart.

They like the turmoil because it keeps us disengaged while their nefarious ends are achieved.

There was a time when we may not have agreed on particular issues, but we understood each other and ultimately tried to move our nation along a righteous path together. I’m afraid that journey has ended and been traded for one where we are lunging at each others throats as the denizens of government use that diversion to steal our liberty.

This doesn’t end well for use with the current occupants of Washington from either party. And it’s about time we dispensed with all of these self-interested despots.

Hand the senate to this current crop of Republicans? For what exactly- to change the name on the door? There is no difference with Democrats, only levels of ignominy.

Marcus Traianus on January 23, 2014 at 9:01 AM

House GOP number three: How about legalization without citizenship for illegals?

Uhm, I think I just found the dumb f#@$ that called my house saying he detected viruses on my pc and wanted me to remote it to him. The closest thing to clever on this man apparently is a Malaysian accent.

onomo on January 23, 2014 at 10:47 AM

Marcus Traianus on January 23, 2014 at 9:01 AM

Simply brilliant in its wisdom and truth!

Don L on January 23, 2014 at 11:09 AM

To conservatives, they can crow that they held the line and refused to create a special path to citizenship like Rubio and the Gang of Eight did.

Baloney. To conservatives they can crow: see the heel of my boot? It is on your face. Eat it

The RINOs want the cheap labor and they want it now. If the alien border jumpers do not get citizenship, Christie will still give their kids college and Obama will give them a phone and an EBT. Bloomberg will have them cutting his grass, and Lil Lindsey Graham will have all the Jamaican groundskeepers his heart desires

While the non citizen workers fulfill the dreams of Marriott and ATT, they will have less leverage to complain compared to citizens. Citizens will be pushed out of many many more part time jobs, and the middle class will go away like the dinosaurs

Conservatives know this. So do the RINOs. That is the point

entagor on January 23, 2014 at 11:10 AM

Hand the senate to this current crop of Republicans? For what exactly- to change the name on the door? There is no difference with Democrats, only levels of ignominy.

Marcus Traianus on January 23, 2014 at 9:01 AM


entagor on January 23, 2014 at 11:15 AM

Here is what I expect to happen:

There will be some form of residency for those that are already here. The fact is — they are here and they aren’t going anywhere. They are never going to be deported. We can continue to live in some sort of fantasy world if we want but that doesn’t change the fact they they are here and they aren’t going anywhere. It would be impossible to eject them all. Processing them all would take so long most would be dead before anything could be done.

There might be some way for them to gain citizenship after some 20 years but I doubt many would take advantage of that. In fact, if there presence were legalized, many from Latin America would actually go home. The thing that is preventing many of them from going home is that it is harder to come back next summer for work so they just stay year-round. Most of them don’t want to be US citizens. These aren’t people who risked life and limb to get to the US for political freedom, these are basically economic refugees.

The real increase in illegals are not from Mexico or Latin America, they are from places like India and China. These are relatives of people here on legitimate visas who came to visit and never went home in many cases or themselves had work or student visas that expired and never went home.

I really have no idea what people want to do about things but just doing nothing isn’t helping and so far no matter what anyone wants to try to do, someone complains about it. One thing is pretty certain, though, those people are not going to be rounded up and shipped out. There’s just physically too many of them.

crosspatch on January 23, 2014 at 11:30 AM

Citizens will be pushed out of many many more part time jobs, and the middle class will go away like the dinosaurs


entagor on January 23, 2014 at 11:10 AM

Yet the great majority of those citizens getting pushed out will be Democrat citizens.

The middle class isn’t going away. It has been bifurcating, with half going down and half going up. The half going down is the half being burned by the continuing flood of supply of cheap foreign labor.

The other half, the half that is predominately Republican, has been benefitting from the cheap labor and the cheap goods and services.

So how is this our problem? Why should we be the ones fighting to end it?

fadetogray on January 23, 2014 at 11:30 AM

crosspatch on January 23, 2014 at 11:30 AM

That argument is nonsense. If we strengthened and enforced the laws against employers hiring illegals, most would self deport.

The problem is the jobs magnet.

fadetogray on January 23, 2014 at 11:34 AM

Call me racist. I don’t like the loud mouth football player and don’t like rap music either. I will be pulling for Denver.

SC.Charlie on January 23, 2014 at 12:03 PM

Throw the[m] all out, except for the ones they publicly scorn, like Cruz etc.

Don L on January 23, 2014 at 8:22 AM

Interesting criterion. I think that might work.

Tsar of Earth on January 23, 2014 at 12:47 PM

Hand the senate to this current crop of Republicans? For what exactly- to change the name on the door? There is no difference with Democrats, only levels of ignominy.

Marcus Traianus on January 23, 2014 at 9:01 AM

(Sorry, preaching)

In abstract terms, here’s what I think is happening to this country: We have many tangible and intangible resources. They are being sold to the highest New World Order bidders, facilitated by politicians.

But the one thing that can’t be sold is the American exceptionalism – the sheer creativity, ingenuity and work ethic. If we apply this correctly, maybe we can take it all back.

Tsar of Earth on January 23, 2014 at 12:53 PM

I am so tired about the B$ Liberal argument about how ‘We can’t afford to deport them all’. Arizona proved YOU DON’T HAVE TO!

Arizona wrote a law that was not any toughter than the Federal Immigration Law. The big difference was Arizona expressed the unwaivering intent to enforce the law….enforce it to the full letter of the law. They didn’t have to pay for SHI’ITE — before the law had even passed Illegals left in droves, crossing over to surrounding states who did not have their own law and/or the expressed determination to enforce it completely. THEY LEFT ON THEIR OWN!

If America expressed and followed through with the law Illegals would go home. Cockroaches won’t stay where there is food for them to live on.
– NO Medical (except REAL life-or-death medicine…or treat them and hand them over to I.C.E. for deportation)
– NO Driver’s Licenses
– NO Medicare/Medicaid/Welfare/Unemployment/Food Stamps/Social Security – Not ONE DIME to illegals
– NO right to buy property/a house
– Eliminate Obama’s/Holder’s policy of not charging/jailing any Illegal who commits a crime less than a Felony
– Calculate up the amount of money Illegal Immigration is costing the United States and withhold that much money from Mexico in Foreign Aid….OR withhold all Foreign Aid from Mexico until they begin to / eliminate illegals crossing the border
– IMMEDIATELY STOP the practice of delivering the children being smuggled across the border by human traffickers to join their illegal parents who are already here
– IMMEDIATELY CANCEL the $4.1 Billion in IRS tax credits for Illegals (that Congress paid for in part by cutting military/vet/disabled vet and ‘Wounded Warrior’ project funding)

You do this & Illegals will flood back across their own border and return home. No job, No money, no handouts = no incentive to come / stay here!

easyt65 on January 23, 2014 at 1:01 PM

We don’t have anyone to fight for “us”, the people. We have a bunch of oligarchs using our government for their own ends.
Marcus Traianus on January 23, 2014 at 9:01 AM

OK, Marcus, how is this any different from always? I usually shut down when I read someone yammering about “the people” – that’s the standard Democrat-populist B$. Regardless, the people in all their diversity are are free to fight for themselves and for their own ends. Don’t go looking for someone to do your fighting for you or you’ll just end up setting up another cult-based “oligarchy” and I think many of us have seen enough of these.

rhombus on January 23, 2014 at 1:54 PM

Suck it up McCarthy and quit. California is a mess and you are now one of the problems. Or, grow a pair and go down swinging!

tomshup on January 23, 2014 at 2:15 PM

How about Deportation!

Another Drew on January 23, 2014 at 3:34 PM


How about we allow every Illegal Alien in the United States on 1 February 2014 will be made U.S. Citizens….in exchange of EVERY U.S. Congressman, Senator, and Obama administration member – to include Obama and Biden, be sent to Mexico, becoming Mexican Citizens, where they will live out the rest of their lives?! (Any attempt to cross back into the U.S. will result in them being shot on sight, with ‘extreme prejudice’!

Yeah, we will have several million new American citizens…but we will be rid of the biggest threat to the nation!

easyt65 on January 23, 2014 at 3:55 PM

Marcus Traianus on January 23, 2014 at 9:01 AM


David Blue on January 23, 2014 at 10:03 PM

I’ll continue to push a reasonable solution:

True, illegals brought here as kids are suffering for the actions of their parents. Fix that, and take away the “for the kids” BS of the Left by offering a path, with criteria and restrictions, to citizenship for this group. But disallow this select group to sponsor additional family members. A few million Dem voters are added, cannot help that. But that does not turn into 30 million in a few years as extended family members flood in, as well.

IF, and that’s a biggie, seasonal or guest workers are needed, establish a system to allow that and to track those workers, ensuring that they leave when the permit expires, at pain of being ineligible for another if they do not.

Secure the freakin’ border. Deport any who have broken any laws more serious than littering.

Finally (…!!!!) make English the official language of the country.

NeoCon_1 on January 24, 2014 at 9:44 AM

Boehner, let’s make this simple: legalize any Mexican that has a Democrat voting card.

Alternatively, forge a “path-to-retirement” for Boehner and McConnell so that they can go back to the shadows.

virgo on January 25, 2014 at 1:14 AM