Gallup: 54% of Republicans are very or somewhat dissatisfied with income and wealth distribution in U.S.

posted at 8:01 pm on January 21, 2014 by Allahpundit

Old Chris Christie 2016 campaign slogan: “We’re all in this together.” New Chris Christie 2016 campaign slogan: “Eat the rich.”

This is noteworthy, but not quite worth the breathless hype I’ve seen in some quarters on Twitter:

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Proof positive that O’s about to win mass converts on the right with his predictably-themed income inequality speech for the SOTU? Nah. To some extent, disgruntlement over wealth distribution is a natural byproduct of the long, slow jobless Hopenchange “recovery.” Go figure that someone from either party who’s been unemployed for six months and is worried about making the rent might express dissatisfaction when you suggest that the working class has enough wealth. It doesn’t necessarily follow that they favor redistribution as the solution; it may be that they’re simply desperate for more opportunity, which means more jobs. Follow the last link, in fact, and you’ll find Democrats debating exactly that question in terms of whether O should emphasize inequality or growth in the State of the Union.

On the other hand, this is striking:

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Roughly 60 percent of Republicans and Democrats are basically satisfied with the opportunity they have now. Independents are different — just 45 percent are satisfied versus a clear majority who aren’t. Rarely do you find the two parties lined up on a question in any poll while indies are way out on a limb. What’s going on? The answer, I think, is that members of each party have reasons to defend the status quo that independents don’t. Democrats want to believe that Obamanomics is working; Republicans want to believe that America is and always will be the land of opportunity. Independents aren’t buying either explanation anymore. No doubt some chunk of them now define themselves as independents precisely because they’ve given up on the two parties’ ability to create job opportunities. They’re the ones whom O’s SOTU is aimed at, I imagine, not working-class Republicans. Although, given how tired his shtick is as we start year six, it’s hard to believe any of them are still listening.

As for working-class Republicans, they’re not going to embrace class warfare anytime soon but this poll is a caution (another caution), I think, that party leaders need to follow Mike Lee’s lead and start concentrating more on this segment of their base. “You didn’t build that” is fine for ideologues like me but it doesn’t do much for that apolitical guy who’s been laid off for six months. In fact, remember this poll from Pew in 2011?

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Downscale, working-class Republican voters are precisely the group that Sean Trende suspects stayed home in droves in 2012, possibly costing Romney the election. Evangelicals turned out strongly; it was blue-collar whites in other regions, especially the midwest, who didn’t bother voting because, Trende thinks, ultimately they couldn’t relate to a multimillionaire businessman prone to grumbling about the “47 percent” whose agenda wasn’t really aimed at them. The GOP needs to do better next time. That’s one (but only one) reason why Beltway Republicans have taken a shine to Christie: They’re convinced that his persona will get those voters to pay attention in a way that no other candidate’s, or at least no other establishment candidate’s, persona would. I think they’re overestimating the value of his personality, but it’s in their nature to try to solve problems by firing magic bullets at them rather than thinking hard about how to reorient the party’s agenda to please a broader constituency. (See also immigration reform and outreach to Latinos.) But at least they’re aware of the problem. Now all they need to do is solve it. Time for a huddle with Mike Lee.


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No, I’m not happy. The gubmint keeps taking my effing money and giving it to other people – mostly gubmint bureaucrats who already make a lot more than I do for doing useful things like roping off the Vetrans’ Memorials out of spite during a “shutdown.”

notropis on January 21, 2014 at 8:03 PM

There should be NO wealth redistribution – only pay for what you use!

OldEnglish on January 21, 2014 at 8:04 PM

I’m very dissatisfied myself. I want half of Barack Obama’s coming income, and I will, of course, then give him half of mine. I also want half of Al Gore’s net worth, and I, of course, will then give him half of mine.

VorDaj on January 21, 2014 at 8:06 PM

Being dissatisfied with something is not necessarily the same thing as wanting the federal government to redistribute wealth.

A large part of this problem is the large-scale immigration of uneducated and unskilled labor over the last several decades. Another part is the loss of traditional and middle class values which contribute to wealth-building and family support when times get rough.

Any conservative worth his salt ought be concerned when what has been a middle class society starts to fray.

Pincher Martin on January 21, 2014 at 8:09 PM

That’s why I support the fascist democrat superstate. Their ability to rob the productive and redistribute to their donors and cronies is efficient.

Murphy9 on January 21, 2014 at 8:10 PM

Downscale, working-class Republican voters are precisely the group that Sean Trende suspects stayed home in droves in 2012, possibly costing Romney the election.

And they are the ones who will stay home again when the GOP votes for amnesty.

Mark1971 on January 21, 2014 at 8:12 PM

REPEATING FOR THE (I’ve lost count) TIME . . . . . . . . . . . .
.
Will somebody in the Republican party, start saying (shouting would be nice):

Government programs and regulations aren’t the solution to the problem, government programs and regulations ARE the problem

.
ANY TAKERS, IN THE GOP ? … Well, are there?
.

.
Anyone ?

listens2glenn on January 21, 2014 at 8:12 PM

I read those Republican numbers as being Republicans, who work, being “dissatisfied” that much of their income is being confiscated by their government to “distribute” to people who do not work.

Rational Thought on January 21, 2014 at 8:12 PM

That’s why I support the fascist democrat superstate. Their ability to rob the productive and redistribute to their donors and cronies is efficient.

Murphy9 on January 21, 2014 at 8:10 PM

And don’t forget their 25% cut.

VorDaj on January 21, 2014 at 8:13 PM

Instead let’s first look at the relationship between work and income. Then it becomes …

“I’m dissatisfied with how my lack of work relates to my lack of income.”

/Your lovin’ gives me a thrill
But your lovin’ don’t pay my bills
Now give me money
That’s what I want
That’s what I want, yeah
That’s what I want

Paul-Cincy on January 21, 2014 at 8:15 PM

I read those Republican numbers as being Republicans, who work, being “dissatisfied” that much of their income is being confiscated by their government to “distribute” to people who do not work.

Rational Thought on January 21, 2014 at 8:12 PM

They work on election day and getting up early and voting often can be trying, especially for those who only get of their rears long enough to shoplift and be in flash mobs the rest of the time.

VorDaj on January 21, 2014 at 8:15 PM

I’m not happy when my income is distributed to those who don’t work.

Is that what the question meant?

Wino on January 21, 2014 at 8:15 PM

listens2glenn on January 21, 2014 at 8:12 PM

Reagan said it long ago. He was the last republican who had balls. Now, we’ve got Cave Boehner, and Go-along McConnell.

Wino on January 21, 2014 at 8:16 PM

There are too many of those “fat cat” Democrats who keep idiots like Mr Obama in office

J_Crater on January 21, 2014 at 8:16 PM

Why doesn’t Gallup ask:

What additional percentage of your income do you want the federal government to confiscate in order to give that money to others to achieve “income equality”?

Ask that.

Rational Thought on January 21, 2014 at 8:18 PM

“You didn’t build that” is fine for ideologues like me

Never thought AP who is really a liberal republican would consider himself an ideologue.

loveofcountry on January 21, 2014 at 8:18 PM

I would imagine a lot of the dissatisfaction among Republicans has to do with all of Obama’s job killing regulations from which he exempts his own friends so that all the wealth ends up with Obama bundlers, Obama mega-donors, and other Liberal Democrats.

Kataklysmic on January 21, 2014 at 8:21 PM

Hopey/Changeys Stealth Reparations Mission!!

canopfor on January 21, 2014 at 8:24 PM

Downscale, working-class Republican voters are precisely the group that Sean Trende suspects stayed home in droves in 2012, possibly costing Romney the election.

I am sorry but i have to say this. Downscale, working class republicans and the tea party republicans are TWO different groups. Downscale working class republicans just want policies that will help them find good paying jobs to feed their family. Tea party republicans are ideologues who are too fixated on hating their government to care about policies that help working class republicans and Americans.

loveofcountry on January 21, 2014 at 8:25 PM

It’s actually common sense that almost all Republicans don’t fit the stereotype of wanting to be a reverse Robin Hood. Really, we want to help the poor, and we don’t want the rich to not have to pay their fair share.

BUT, we look at the economics of it, and we see an expanding pie, not a static or shrinking pie. Yet most of the redistributive schemes end up shrinking that pie, and making everyone worse of. So we got to be smart about what we’re doing, and not callous. And yes, we got to be fair. Anything over 50% in total federal and state taxes is outright unfair, and causes economic problems as well.

And big govt is bad news. Like, you think about how public education has leveled the playing field, but at tremendous cost. Public education is an inefficient ineffective disaster. That’s just an example of something where the redistributionists want to get more and more of something where less and less is better. And govt control of medicine, a redistributive move if we ever heard of one, makes us all get screwed. Targeted intelligent affordable help for the poor, and a reasonably progressive tax code, most of us are good with that, but get away from socialist govt takeovers that take us all down with the ship.

anotherJoe on January 21, 2014 at 8:26 PM

loveofcountry on January 21, 2014 at 8:25 PM

LOL, you’re a phucking retard will no clue what you’re talking about. MSNBC viewer no doubt.

HumpBot Salvation on January 21, 2014 at 8:28 PM

No, I’m not happy. The gubmint keeps taking my effing money and giving it to other people – mostly gubmint bureaucrats who already make a lot more than I do for doing useful things like roping off the Vetrans’ Memorials out of spite during a “shutdown.”

notropis on January 21, 2014 at 8:03 PM

It’s your fault for being rich.

Well, no. You didn’t that. Somebody else did that for you.

davidk on January 21, 2014 at 8:28 PM

Prediction for 2014……..biggest buzzword of the year?……”Inequality”.

PappyD61 on December 30, 2013 at 9:18 AM

davidk on January 21, 2014 at 8:29 PM

Gallup: 54% of Republicans are very or somewhat dissatisfied with income and wealth distribution in U.S.

The high pay that is well above that of private industry received by unionized government workers is a good place to start.

RJL on January 21, 2014 at 8:29 PM

Conservatives has always been dissatisfied with income distribution. We just disagree with the Marxists on how to rectify the situation.

PaddyORyan on January 21, 2014 at 8:30 PM

I read those Republican numbers as being Republicans, who work, being “dissatisfied” that much of their income is being confiscated by their government to “distribute” to people who do not work.

Rational Thought on January 21, 2014 at 8:12 PM

That and possibly dissatisfaction with stagnant wages. There are many ways to interpret the concepts of income and wealth distribution. It doesn’t automatically mean Marxism like the left has embraced.

Doughboy on January 21, 2014 at 8:31 PM

Trende thinks, ultimately they couldn’t relate to a multimillionaire businessman prone to grumbling about the “47 percent” whose agenda wasn’t really aimed at them. The GOP needs to do better next time.

Legalizing millions of competitors is just the way to do that.

DFCtomm on January 21, 2014 at 8:32 PM

There is only one way to narrow the gap between rich and poor and that is to stop devaluing labor. We increase the value of labor by creating an “employees market”, or you could say “labor scarcity”. The other requirement is that you tax imports. This does cause inflation but it’s an inflation that benefits workers, even though they pay higher prices too, because all the inflation goes into their paychecks.

You achieve this by ending the immigration of poor working people and evict the illegal workers who are already here.

You either sell America on this conservative policy or they will embrace the communist solution, which will end badly for them and everyone else.

Buddahpundit on January 21, 2014 at 8:36 PM

It’s actually common sense that almost all Republicans don’t fit the stereotype of wanting to be a reverse Robin Hood. Really, we want to help the poor, and we don’t want the rich to not have to pay their fair share.

BUT, we look at the economics of it, and we see an expanding pie, not a static or shrinking pie. Yet most of the redistributive schemes end up shrinking that pie, and making everyone worse of. So we got to be smart about what we’re doing, and not callous. And yes, we got to be fair. Anything over 50% in total federal and state taxes is outright unfair, and causes economic problems as well.

And big govt is bad news. Like, you think about how public education has leveled the playing field, but at tremendous cost. Public education is an inefficient ineffective disaster. That’s just an example of something where the redistributionists want to get more and more of something where less and less is better. And govt control of medicine, a redistributive move if we ever heard of one, makes us all get screwed. Targeted intelligent affordable help for the poor, and a reasonably progressive tax code, most of us are good with that, but get away from socialist govt takeovers that take us all down with the ship.

anotherJoe on January 21, 2014 at 8:26 PM

That’s what obama, biden, pelosi said.

Targeted intelligent affordable help for the poor, and a reasonably progressive tax code,

That’s what they said 100 years ago.

davidk on January 21, 2014 at 8:44 PM

Madoff went to jail for less.

Murphy9 on January 21, 2014 at 8:46 PM

This is why I hate polls: They ask stupid questions that invite ambiguous answers that tell you nothing. Whoever paid for this one got ripped.

Socratease on January 21, 2014 at 8:49 PM

Tea party republicans are ideologues who are too fixated on hating their government to care about policies that help working class republicans and Americans.

loveofcountry on January 21, 2014 at 8:25 PM

More brain dead talking points similar to what that pig Christie said in a speech recently about conservatives wanting to repeal government.

Wigglesworth on January 21, 2014 at 8:51 PM

Results for #Inequality

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Inequality&src=hash
===================================================

Too Much ‏@Too_Much_Online 35m

Does Being Wealthy Make You Greedy? A survey of recent research. http://goo.gl/CgukMx #inequality

canopfor on January 21, 2014 at 8:52 PM

Peter Staatz ‏@p_staatz 3m

Rt”@JamesMArcher: Just 85 People Own as Much as Half of the World’s Population: This Is a Crime Scene! #Inequality http://www.truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/item/18431-just-85-people-own-as-much-as-half-of-the-world-s-population-this-is-a-crime …”

canopfor on January 21, 2014 at 8:53 PM

It’s your fault for being rich.
Well, no. You didn’t that. Somebody else did that for you.
davidk on January 21, 2014 at 8:28 PM

Yes. That message worked very well in 2012. Hey you didn’t build that, vote for Romney.

The problem with the tea party is that they live in a bubble which prevents them from realizing that most Americans aren’t as rigid as they are. Americans just want policies that will help them get good paying jobs to feed their family. They don’t care whether the government or private sector helped create those opportunities.

loveofcountry on January 21, 2014 at 8:55 PM

Yeah, I’m dissatisfied with the income and wealth going to government cronies.

besser tot als rot on January 21, 2014 at 8:56 PM

Independents aren’t buying either explanation anymore.

And we have a winner.

I’m an independent because I don’t trust or believe the leadership of either party.
They are two sides of the same corrupt, self-serving coin.

They don’t want solutions, they want status quo.

MichaelGabriel on January 21, 2014 at 8:58 PM

Wealth distribution????
Again..allowing the left to define the terms.

The idea of wealth distribution is idiotic. In order to “distribute” anything there has to be centralized ‘pot’ of whatever it is to be distributed and someone to distribute it.
When it comes to the wealth of the population at large, how is this ‘pot’ acquired, and who justifies it’s distribution based on what criteria??
More communist bullshit masked as compassion. If there is one thing that Communism isn’t, it’s compassionate.
Are we reaally going to be dumb enough to fall for this??

Mimzey on January 21, 2014 at 8:58 PM

REPEATING FOR THE (I’ve lost count) TIME . . . . . . . . . . . .
.
Will somebody in the Republican party, start saying (shouting would be nice):

Government programs and regulations aren’t the solution to the problem, government programs and regulations ARE the problem

.
ANY TAKERS, IN THE GOP ? … Well, are there?
.

.
Anyone ?

listens2glenn on January 21, 2014 at 8:12 PM

I’ll say it! No wait, err, sorry I’m no longer a Republican.

Seriously, it speaks VOLUMES that such a high percentage of “Republicans” are A-OK with wealth and income redistribution. Which gets back to why I’m no longer a Republican, or at least one of the reasons.

Meople on January 21, 2014 at 8:59 PM

Yeah so let’s bring over another 30 million people!

WisCon on January 21, 2014 at 8:59 PM

The problem with the tea party is that they live in a bubble which prevents them from realizing that most Americans aren’t as rigid as they are don’t understand economics.

loveofcountry on January 21, 2014 at 8:55 PM

Because they were publicly indoctrinated (educated).

besser tot als rot on January 21, 2014 at 9:00 PM

Soooooooooooooooooooooo,

there are Zero, notta, zilch, none,

Filthy Stink’n Dirty Rotten Obscenely Rich Lib/Dem/ProgTard/Socialists!

Only poor one’s,….alrighty then!!!!!

canopfor on January 21, 2014 at 9:00 PM

Conservatives has always been dissatisfied with income distribution. We just disagree with the Marxists on how to rectify the situation.
PaddyORyan on January 21, 2014 at 8:30 PM

Interesting. I am yet to meet any conservative who isn’t ok with income inequality. The mindset has always been that if I make more money than you, it’s because I work harder than you. If you want more money, get another job.

At least that’s what the conservatives I know truly believe.

loveofcountry on January 21, 2014 at 9:01 PM

What’s going on? The answer, I think, is that members of each party have reasons to defend the status quo that independents don’t. Democrats want to believe that Obamanomics is working; Republicans want to believe that America is and always will be the land of opportunity. Independents aren’t buying either explanation anymore.

Yeah, I really don’t know what to think of Republicans that can’t see the writing on the wall. Waving the Flag and mumbling something about George Washington and Ronald Reagan is not helpful.

For far too long too many have enjoyed the “American Dream” without realizing that all along they (we) have been ripped off and progressively enslaved.

Dr. ZhivBlago on January 21, 2014 at 9:02 PM

They don’t care whether the government or private sector helped create those opportunities.

loveofcountry on January 21, 2014 at 8:55 PM

This makes no sense.
The government only acquires it’s money from…..the private sector.

Like a parasite, the government only takes to nourish itself.

Mimzey on January 21, 2014 at 9:03 PM

It’s your fault for being rich.
Well, no. You didn’t that. Somebody else did that for you.
davidk on January 21, 2014 at 8:28 PM

Yes. That message worked very well in 2012. Hey you didn’t build that, vote for Romney.

The problem with the tea party is that they live in a bubble which prevents them from realizing that most Americans aren’t as rigid as they are. Americans just want policies that will help them get good paying jobs to feed their family. They don’t care whether the government or private sector helped create those opportunities.

loveofcountry on January 21, 2014 at 8:55 PM

That pretty much defines the TEAParty.

Can you point to a federal government policy that created (non-government) jobs?

You are clueless, moby.

davidk on January 21, 2014 at 9:04 PM

The GOP needs to do better next time.

Yes, yes they do. Virginia thought they did better with McDonnell. Great governor, could have been a contender. We’ll see what happens to him. NJ thought they did better with Christie. It remains to be seen all the ways that he may have screwed up. I think what we need is a search committee. Forget about politicians who think they’re next in line. Let’s recruit like they do for CEO’s or college board presidents…WANTED, GOP Candidate for President of the USA. Previous applicants need not apply.

scalleywag on January 21, 2014 at 9:04 PM

Yeah so let’s bring over another 30 million people!

WisCon on January 21, 2014 at 8:59 PM

The saddest thing, is that since Roe v Wade, 55 million babies have been aborted. The Dims are sad they’ve lost those 55 million taxpayers so they have to import them with Obamnesty.

And the GOP is more than willing to help them do it.

Meople on January 21, 2014 at 9:06 PM

For far too long too many have enjoyed the “American Dream” without realizing that all along they (we) have been ripped off and progressively enslaved.

Dr. ZhivBlago on January 21, 2014 at 9:02 PM

Heh.

davidk on January 21, 2014 at 9:08 PM

The problem with the tea party is that they live in a bubble which prevents them from realizing that most Americans aren’t as rigid as they are.

The problem with Democrats and Republicans, or anyone who criticizes the tea party, is that we they wouldn’t recognize the free and independent thinking that made this country great if it bit them in the ass.

Anyone that criticizes the tea party is just a shill for servitude.

MichaelGabriel on January 21, 2014 at 9:10 PM

Interesting. I am yet to meet any conservative who isn’t ok with income inequality. The mindset has always been that if I make more money than you, it’s because I work harder than you. If you want more money, get another job.

At least that’s what the conservatives I know truly believe.

loveofcountry on January 21, 2014 at 9:01 PM

You don;t know any conservatives or have a clue about the Tea Party. Your comments get more ignorant with every post. Sing daisy for us HAL.

HumpBot Salvation on January 21, 2014 at 9:10 PM

At least that’s what the conservatives I know truly believe.

loveofcountry on January 21, 2014 at 9:01 PM

…you don’t know any conservatives dipshit!

KOOLAID2 on January 21, 2014 at 9:11 PM

Was there a question on the poll which asked: “do you realize the people campaigning on the platform of “income inequality” are incredibly rich?”.

Just wondering.

KMC1 on January 21, 2014 at 9:15 PM

Hmmmm:

China’s princelings storing riches in Caribbean offshore haven

Relatives of political leaders including China’s current president and former premier named in trove of leaked documents from the British Virgin Islands

http://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2014/jan/21/china-british-virgin-islands-wealth-offshore-havens

davidk on January 21, 2014 at 9:16 PM

The problem with the tea party is that they live in a bubble which prevents them from realizing that most Americans aren’t as rigid as they are. Americans just want policies that will help them get good paying jobs to feed their family. They don’t care whether the government or private sector helped create those opportunities.

loveofcountry on January 21, 2014 at 8:55 PM

I wouldn’t say we’re “rigid” in the sense you say. We believe that there are certain economic realities that can’t simply be ignored, and that prosperity can’t be artificially supplied for an indefinite period of time.

My take on it is that there are those in the “Capitalist” world that are contributing to this mess right along with the Socialists. That relationship is too complex for most of us to grasp, and so the notion of the wealthy being in bed with the “power to the people” types gets dismissed too easily. So, most pick one of the two as the villain, not both.

You criticize Obama and the Libs and you’re racist, homophobic and heartless. Criticize some of these big corporations and banks and the other side will say you’re a Commie.

So, we get what we get…paralysis.

Dr. ZhivBlago on January 21, 2014 at 9:17 PM

That pretty much defines the TEAParty.

Can you point to a federal government policy that created (non-government) jobs?

You are clueless, moby.

davidk on January 21, 2014 at 9:04 PM

People don’t care if they get jobs from the parasite or the host.

But, I’d say, that the government created its crony jobs, e.g., at Solyndra, A123, Fisker, etc. But, likely at the expense of killing many, many more jobs.

besser tot als rot on January 21, 2014 at 9:19 PM

Targeted intelligent affordable help for the poor, and a reasonably progressive tax code,

That’s what they said 100 years ago.

davidk on January 21, 2014 at 8:44 PM

Yeah, I’m probably not expressing myself perfectly. I don’t know exactly what they said 100 years ago, but we don’t want 80% total taxes like in France, or Wealth Taxes like in France. That said, at least I’m personally not for a flat tax type system. The current rates are a bit high, but not too far out of whack. And of course we want to help the poor, but with intelligent actions that don’t cost a ton of money. The alternative, if the condition of the poor or lower classes deteriorates, there could be a backlash against the wealthy of some sort, I’m not saying revolution, but something. I’m not even thinking of anything in particular right now, but keep an open mind.

anotherJoe on January 21, 2014 at 9:19 PM

I’m for wealth redistribution, as long as it’s fair.

Fair would be taking wealth away from people who want to use the government to rob us of our wealth.

All of the wealth of all of the people who have contributed to Democratic Party candidates over the last 20 years should be immediately seized by the IRS and used to refund income taxes paid by everyone else over that period.

To be fair.

fadetogray on January 21, 2014 at 9:23 PM

anotherJoe on January 21, 2014 at 9:19 PM

One hundred years ago (1913) the federal income tax was ratified.

It’s been down hill from there. All in the name of fairness.

davidk on January 21, 2014 at 9:29 PM

To be fair.

fadetogray on January 21, 2014 at 9:23 PM

davidk on January 21, 2014 at 9:31 PM

But, I’d say, that the government created its crony jobs, e.g., at Solyndra, A123, Fisker, etc. But, likely at the expense of killing many, many more jobs.

besser tot als rot on January 21, 2014 at 9:19 PM

Heh. I stand corrected.

davidk on January 21, 2014 at 9:33 PM

One hundred years ago (1913) the federal income tax was ratified.

It’s been down hill from there. All in the name of fairness.

davidk on January 21, 2014 at 9:29 PM

Sure, but there were severe economic problems before that. I guess in the late 19th century it didn’t affect as many people as we were still mostly rural and self-sufficient to varying degrees? I mean, increasingly financial collapse will harm more Americans severely and most Americans to some degree or another?

Dr. ZhivBlago on January 21, 2014 at 9:34 PM

It’s been down hill from there. All in the name of fairness.

davidk on January 21, 2014 at 9:29 PM

Exactly. We submissively allowed the proggs to get away with perverting the concept of fairness. Robbery is never fair, especially when it is done under color of authority.

fadetogray on January 21, 2014 at 9:39 PM

One hundred years ago (1913) the federal income tax was ratified.

It’s been down hill from there. All in the name of fairness.

davidk on January 21, 2014 at 9:29 PM

Right. But remember that before JFK the top rate of combined taxes was something like 80%, or even closer to 90%. The Dems want to go there again, or at least many of them. Keep it at around 50% combined taxes for the top earners.

And as far as helping the poor, I’m really starting to get a little bit worried about the imminent automation / robot “takeover,” I know that Malthusian or Luddite types have had misguided concerns in the past, and I’m all for the robot revolution as it will free humanity to devote our attention to greater things, and leisure, but even Drudge … right this moment … is linking to a story saying that says 70% of jobs could become automated over next 30 years. Some say even more. This is good, because we could have more human services related jobs, but if this is going to be a truly revolutionary robot led economic revolution, we can’t rule out the govt has a role to play in trying to mitigate some of the worst dislocations. Yes, overall the robot revolution is going to create a huge amount of added wealth. We just don’t want it all at the top! Truth is the economy wouldn’t function right if it was all at the top.

anotherJoe on January 21, 2014 at 9:48 PM

Let’s start by redistributing Hollywoods wealth……..and see how far that goes………..then Al Ghores scammed stash….

FlaMurph on January 21, 2014 at 9:52 PM

Problems….

(1) It was a stupid question. Am I happy with wealth distribution in this country now. NO! Too much money is going to government employees, academic idiots, and other crap. Same with the working hard to get ahead question. SO the question is too open ended.

(2) If there was one thing I would like the see the GOP get away from more is Wall Street. The financial and investment sector is important for this country, but the GOP should not be so darn needy to defend every half-baked idea some NYC investment firm comes up with for America. Remember if it was up to these folks we would have had free trade with the Soviet Union in the Cold War, the UAE would be running our port security, our manufacturing sector would not exist, and we would have no military at all…plus no borders either. It would be a free trade utopia!!!!

I am a supporter of capitalism and free trade, but not at the expense of freedom in America and frankly the whole point of having a country in the first place. You know, borders, military, manufacturing….etc.

Common Sense stuff..

William Eaton on January 21, 2014 at 10:00 PM

I can’t get my mind around big salaries for anyone. While I can appreciate paying for achievement, I just don’t get paying anyone more than $5 million/year.

It’s not the $5 million as dollars, but what the $5 million is worth. Someone with that kind of salary can own 2 or 3 houses, fancy cars, take fancy vacations, etc, and still have plenty left over.

Something is out of whack when salaries are totally out of sync with what a rich person needs to act like a rich person.

I don’t know the answer as I am totally against the government setting artificial limits on earning. But there needs to be some level of sanity when it comes to top level salaries. Board of Directors will never do it as they are also paid far beyond their actual worth.

I think Rush said something like “In capitalism, the rich become powerful and in fascism, the powerful become rich”. The close ties between big government, big finance, and big business is indeed becoming economic fascism.

huckleberryfriend on January 21, 2014 at 10:11 PM

Let’s start by redistributing Hollywoods wealth……..and see how far that goes………..then Al Ghores scammed stash….

FlaMurph on January 21, 2014 at 9:52 PM

I wonder if liberals realize how many artists, musicians and actors have had their talents and royalties ripped off by the
Hollywood Industrial Theft Complex.

Hollywood elites are thieving hypocrites.

But hey, they had a heck of a party for Michelle at the White House the other night.

MichaelGabriel on January 21, 2014 at 10:13 PM

I can’t get my mind around big salaries for anyone. While I can appreciate paying for achievement, I just don’t get paying anyone more than $5 million/year.

It’s not the $5 million as dollars, but what the $5 million is worth. Someone with that kind of salary can own 2 or 3 houses, fancy cars, take fancy vacations, etc, and still have plenty left over.

Something is out of whack when salaries are totally out of sync with what a rich person needs to act like a rich person.

I don’t know the answer as I am totally against the government setting artificial limits on earning. But there needs to be some level of sanity when it comes to top level salaries. Board of Directors will never do it as they are also paid far beyond their actual worth.

I think Rush said something like “In capitalism, the rich become powerful and in fascism, the powerful become rich”. The close ties between big government, big finance, and big business is indeed becoming economic fascism.

huckleberryfriend on January 21, 2014 at 10:11 PM

Someone who earns “more than $5 million” can buy many cars and houses. That puts home builders, car builders, grocery stock boys, tire makers, gas station attendants, appliance makers, insurance agents, stock brokers, security system installers to work. And the neighbor kid who cuts his/her grass.

Someone who earns “more than $5 million” can give a bunch of money to charity and help the needy.

Someone who earns “more than $5 million” can put his/her money in the bank and provide investment capital for business owners–which generates jobs.

Or someone who earns “more than $5 million” can put his/her money in a room and roll around in it like Donald Duck’s Uncle Scrooge. That takes money out of the marketplace which lowers demand on goods and services which lowers prices for the rest of us.

Don’t buy into obama’s “At some point, you’ve made enough money.”

There are people who do nothing all day but think. They have comfortable rooms at the companies for which they work. Rooms with pool tables, big screen TVs, etc. All they do is think and make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. Hardly seems fair.

But they will come up with ideas that save the company a million dollars. Or two.

If a CEO saves a 30 billion dollar company from going under, and saves the investors (read pensioners, everyday people who have invested a few dollars) their life savings, is he not worth five-ten million?

Those kind of salaries and bonuses are typically voted on by the stockholders–John Q. and Mary Public.

The lefty/marxist perception of fat-cat business owners screwing over the workers and the public is for the most part a myth.

davidk on January 21, 2014 at 10:51 PM

The ambiguity, oh how it burns! As with a few others, I’d have to agree and have answered it in terms of being sick of the government’s “Robin Hood” syndrome. Guess they needed enough room to spin. There’s enough there for a carousel or three.

ScaryBiscuits on January 21, 2014 at 11:39 PM

Income Redistribution……..Oh…. that’s rich……. From each according to his ability, to each according to his need…

Barry: “If you like YOUR money….. you can keep YOUR money”…….. in 3….2…..1

roflmmfao

donabernathy on January 21, 2014 at 11:41 PM

It is not the distribution of income or wealth that I care about, but the distribution of OPPORTUNITY.

Resentment and envy of other people’s accomplishments are leftist sentiments. They have no place in the heart of a conservative.

leereyno on January 22, 2014 at 12:07 AM

So what do these so called “Republicans” want . . . do they want to take wealth from somebody else and put it in their bank accounts. This is just one symptom of what’s wrong with the Republican Party.

rplat on January 22, 2014 at 4:23 AM

Can you point to a federal government policy that created (non-government) jobs?

You are clueless, moby.

davidk on January 21, 2014 at 9:04 PM

if the obama can only break just A FEW MORE WINDOWS…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window

t8stlikchkn on January 22, 2014 at 6:40 AM

I am unhappy that the government (at all levels) takes so much of my money and redistributes it.

albill on January 22, 2014 at 6:43 AM

Do you know why people make millions of dollars per year? It’s because they are worth it, or because a chance they took paid off. Then there are a few who just got lucky, but those are the exception.

If I have a position where 10,000 people are relying on the company I run for their livelihoods, it is up to me to keep the company profitable. I have many decisions I must make every day to insure this. Some of my decisions will pay off. Some will not. Over all, though, I had better make mostly good decisions, or the company will go under.

Now, if someone on an assembly line is terrible at his job, we get some warranty charges, and his (and maybe his supervisor) are the only jobs at risk. He gets paid proportionately. If I, being the CEO, am terrible at my job, 10,000 people are out of work, thousands of shareholders lose their money, and perhaps a small city or several small towns are shut down.

That’s why they get the money, or are shunted out so quickly. I’d gladly pay someone $1M if they brought an additional $2M to my group. So, $20M for someone who brings in an additional $400M is a bargain.

And what I do with MY money is my choice. Anyone who suggests otherwise is unamerican.

Wino on January 22, 2014 at 6:51 AM

I am very dissappointed how wealth is distributed in the United States of America.
It is distributed from hard working industrious and virtuous Americans to lazy leeches and degenerate many times illegal aliens.

astonerii on January 22, 2014 at 7:54 AM

If I have a position where 10,000 people are relying on the company I run for their livelihoods, it is up to me to keep the company profitable. I have many decisions I must make every day to insure this. Some of my decisions will pay off. Some will not. Over all, though, I had better make mostly good decisions, or the company will go under.

Wino on January 22, 2014 at 6:51 AM

Please show me an example of where a CEO of a Fortune 500 company is paid based on performance. How about the execs of the clean energy companies funded by Obama? Or how about the CEO’s of financial companies that helped lead us into the recession? What is the reasoning behind a CEO making $10 million a year instead of returning some of that money to shareholders?

Pay at the upper level is out of whack. Our economic system is out of whack. What we have now is not free market capitalism.

huckleberryfriend on January 22, 2014 at 8:42 AM

Huckleberry, all of them are paid according to performance. Most of the money comes in stock options. If your stock doesn’t go up, you don’t get to sell your options for a profit, and you lose. That’s how the game is played.

I’m sorry that you’re such a loser that you don’t know how things work above the assembly line level. Maybe if you work hard and study, you can get a job where they don’t write your name over your pocket. Oh! I forgot. You liberals don’t want any jobs anymore. You prefer to sit on your porch and complain that the man is holding you down.

How’s that Obamaphone working out for you?

Wino on January 22, 2014 at 9:42 AM

Huckleberry, all of them are paid according to performance.

Wino on January 22, 2014 at 9:42 AM

If they were paid based on performance I wouldn’t have a problem with it. But many are not. Just look at the huge payoffs failed CEOs get when they are booted out of a company. Look at the huge payouts employees of financial institutions got as we slid into the recession. This is the rich looking out for the rich, not free market capitalism. A small clique of super rich are protecting each other, especially in the financial industry. Failure should be punished, not rewarded.

I’m sorry that you’re such a loser that you don’t know how things work above the assembly line level. Maybe if you work hard and study, you can get a job where they don’t write your name over your pocket. Oh! I forgot. You liberals don’t want any jobs anymore. You prefer to sit on your porch and complain that the man is holding you down.

I’ve built several businesses from scratch and retired at 52. What have you accomplished?

I’m a Conservative realist. We do not have free market capitalism in the US and that is the cause of most of our financial problems. The bailout of financial industry was not free market capitalism. Government bailout of GM was not free market capitalism. Anyone with the motivation to do so, should be able to start a business with minimal government intervention. I should be able to bootstrap a new business by hiring people at the lowest possible wage with minimal benefits, but government has decided to choke off bootstrap entrepreneurs through regulation.

A collusion between big business and big government has it’s boot on the throat of small business. My passion says start a new business, but my business sense says no. So like John Galt, I choose to sit on the sidelines …

huckleberryfriend on January 22, 2014 at 10:09 AM