Pew poll: Obama losing the public on NSA surveillance

posted at 6:01 pm on January 20, 2014 by Allahpundit

Does it matter, though? As you scan the numbers, bear in mind that when Pew asked people whether they’ve heard anything about O’s speech on NSA reform last Friday, just eight percent said they’d “heard a lot.” There was no shortage of news coverage about it; if you only heard a little — or nothing at all, as 50 percent of those sampled said — it’s probably because you’re just not paying much attention to this subject.

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The public went from evenly split last summer, when Snowden’s revelations first broke, to 40/53 against. Maybe more importantly, it’s Obama’s own base that’s seen the sharpest reversal, with black and Latino voters who gave him the benefit of the doubt at first now disapproving mildly of NSA surveillance. (In fact, not a single demographic group at this point shows more support for the practice than opposition.) No matter how many speeches O gives in its defense, the drip-drip of new Snowden leaks is drowning his message, which is why suddenly we’re seeing stories like this one leaked to major papers like the Journal. We’ve passed the point on this where Obama can trust his most loyal supporters to circle the wagons for him. “Obama says the program works” isn’t good enough, even for Democrats. He’s got to show his work, if he can.

Or does he? How much pressure is Obama really under if only eight percent can be bothered to stay on top of a presidential speech about new reforms? Seems to me the significance of the Pew numbers is less about O needing to make further reforms than the fact that this is now likely to be a 2016 issue for both parties. The largest number in that table, after all, is the amount of opposition to surveillance among tea partiers — 68 percent, where no other group is above 60. That’s litmus-test territory for right-wing candidates in the primaries, which is one reason why Ted Cruz is demanding “far more protection for law-abiding citizens” under the program. The most conservative candidates in 2016 will all be flavors of Rand Paul on this issue.

Interestingly, though, non-tea-party Republicans have also moved from slight support on balance for the program to double-digit opposition, which complicates the expectation that the GOP’s establishment candidate will be vociferously pro-NSA. Same thing on the left — Democrats are against surveillance only very narrowly on balance, but that’s because it’s their guy whose name is on the program right now. That dynamic will change as O’s presidency winds down; as noted, it’s already changed among Democratic blocs like blacks and Latinos. Hillary will thus have good reason to call for reforms, as will Christie or Jeb or whoever emerges from the center of the GOP. And of course, so will Rand Paul or Cruz or whoever wins the tea-party primary. The only question in the primaries, increasingly it seems, is how ambitious the scope of reform will be. Can’t expect much from either the Democratic or Republican establishment on that point, but maybe, given the relative public disinterest in the topic, the public will take what it can get.


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It’s ’cause he’s black. He said so himself.

Marcola on January 20, 2014 at 6:03 PM

The people are smarter than the thugs in DC.

Schadenfreude on January 20, 2014 at 6:03 PM

In fact, not a single demographic group at this point shows more support for the practice than opposition.

Did they poll GOP congressmen? Because I bet that group would show more support for the practice than opposition.

besser tot als rot on January 20, 2014 at 6:04 PM

Explains why he`s so totally cool on the kiddies lighting up a big fatty.

ThePrez on January 20, 2014 at 6:05 PM

Or does he? How much pressure is Obama really under if only eight percent can be bothered to stay on top of a presidential speech about new reforms?

Dude. I think your proxy system is on the fritz. Nobody cares because they didn’t want to watch an Obama speech!? How about nobody wants to watch Obama talk anymore. About anything!

besser tot als rot on January 20, 2014 at 6:08 PM

Hence the ‘I’m concerned about my minions spying on you’ pivot…

…good luck with that, chump.

CPT. Charles on January 20, 2014 at 6:08 PM

The only question in the primaries, increasingly it seems, is how ambitious the scope of reform will be.

My question will be: will anyone actually be stupid enough to believe Chrstie/Bush when they say that they are against domestic NSA spying?

besser tot als rot on January 20, 2014 at 6:09 PM

40% still support this? Spy on them then. Should be easy as these are probably the types that feel the need to post a “selfie” every time they so much as go to McDonald’s.

Gingotts on January 20, 2014 at 6:09 PM

Only 8%,looks like people don’t care what he has to say anymore.I see comments all over the net that most view him as a liar.

docflash on January 20, 2014 at 6:10 PM

For the security the program does provide, its a good thing the NSA brew ha ha isn’t happening on Bush’s watch. Then all the hypocrites in the liberal media wouldn’t be so silent.

Rovin on January 20, 2014 at 6:10 PM

Dude. I think your proxy system is on the fritz. Nobody cares because they didn’t want to watch an Obama speech!? How about nobody wants to watch Obama talk anymore. About anything!

besser tot als rot on January 20, 2014 at 6:08 PM

I’ll gladly watch his resignation speech, or his final statement before being hauled off to prison.

Gingotts on January 20, 2014 at 6:10 PM

Guess what? If he was allowed to run for a third term, I’ll vote for him again.
 
loveofcountry on January 18, 2014 at 4:11 PM

rogerb on January 20, 2014 at 6:10 PM

Does it matter, though?

The people are smarter than the thugs in DC.

Schadenfreude on January 20, 2014 at 6:03 PM

That’s how he got elected and re-elected. I don’t think you really meant to say this, Schad.

Lanceman on January 20, 2014 at 6:11 PM

The only ones that can have secrets are the Military, Government and Michelle.

ronsfi on January 20, 2014 at 6:12 PM

Wait till it gets out that the NSA is listening to the Obamaphones too.

NSA = Racist

BobMbx on January 20, 2014 at 6:13 PM

If only he were 100% caucasian. All these problems for him would go away.

aquaviva on January 20, 2014 at 6:15 PM

I think Krauthammer still supports Obama and his NSA.

VorDaj on January 20, 2014 at 6:23 PM

49% of blacks disapprove of this, they’re just racists!!!

bflat879 on January 20, 2014 at 6:24 PM

which complicates the expectation that the GOP’s establishment candidate will be vociferously pro-NSA

Anyone who supports the NSA is objectively at war with the United States Constitution.

VorDaj on January 20, 2014 at 6:25 PM

Oh, and here’s something to ease you into a deep, restful sleep:

The NSA is proud of its ability to get the data that was impossible to get by intercepting purchases of electronic equipment and installing spy devices within them before they were delivered.

Now, what keeps the NSA from intercepting anyone’s cell phone and implanting a little dab of C4, ready to ‘take care of business’ at the push of key in Langley?

“Hello…..Washington Post?….yes….look, uh….I don’t want my name getting out but I have absolute proof from the Hawaii vital record office that Barack Obama is not a US citizen and [BOOOOOOOM]!”

BobMbx on January 20, 2014 at 6:28 PM

so what’s Peter King going to run on?

DanMan on January 20, 2014 at 6:30 PM

Raaaaacism, straight up.

Jeff Weimer on January 20, 2014 at 6:33 PM

What an azzclown….. the guy was boo whoo’n when he reminisced about shop’n while black in department stores…. cry’n ’bout store surveillance… and now….. that he is run’n the largest subservience thuggery known to mankind….. well….. now everything is okey dokey….. it’s 4 ya own good…… no dinner…. no kiss…not even a wrap around as he bends ya over.

roflmmfao

donabernathy on January 20, 2014 at 6:40 PM

49% of blacks disapprove of this, they’re just racists!!!

bflat879 on January 20, 2014 at 6:24 PM

Now that even blacks think that he’s a screw up, they consider him white.

rik on January 20, 2014 at 6:41 PM

Inequality:

85 richest people own as much as bottom half of population, report says

http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-oxfam-world-economic-forum-income-inequality-20140120,0,7080817.story#axzz2qxEXoTZW

davidk on January 20, 2014 at 6:43 PM

Hillary will thus have good reason to call for reforms, as will Christie or Jeb or whoever emerges from the center of the GOP.

This was the most depressing sentence of the entire article. #doomed

hillsoftx on January 20, 2014 at 6:43 PM

How much pressure is Obama really under if only eight percent can be bothered to stay on top of a presidential speech about new reforms?

I am very concerned about NSA fascism but I didn’t watch Obama’s speech because he’s a lying, fascist POS who has absolutely no intention of doing the right thing. Actions speak louder than lies.

FloatingRock on January 20, 2014 at 6:43 PM

That the public is directing their anger over the rank trampling of their right to privacy at Obama is just, and this is the one thing for which we can all thank Snowden.

There’s been much debate about Snowden and his revelations regarding NSA trampling on American’s rights. Some have discussed his motivations, where he will eventually find safe harbor, whether or not he will ever be able to return home, and if he would survive should he leave the sanctuary he’s found in Russia.

I think the fact that the low information voters have finally discovered that the government is spying on them, regardless of which party is in control of the federal government and are taking a dim view of that activity is the most important aspect of the Snowden affair.

Many who have been political junkies for some time, who routinely pay more attention to the machinations of our government weren’t suprised to find that the federal government had directed its agencies to spy on the citizens of this nation, but even the most dedicated and educated of the political observers had to be astonished at the depth and intensity of that spying and the rank disregard the federal government revealed it possesses for the rights of American citizens.

thatsafactjack on January 20, 2014 at 6:46 PM

The man has proven that he cannot be trusted and his presidency is over.

The best he can do is stay in the closet in his underoos watching ESPN or playing with “his” drones. He says he’s pretty good at killing people.

/Bastige

Key West Reader on January 20, 2014 at 6:47 PM

If ya like your privacy …. u can keep your privacy.

roflmmfao

donabernathy on January 20, 2014 at 6:50 PM

That’s how he got elected and re-elected. I don’t think you really meant to say this, Schad.

Lanceman on January 20, 2014 at 6:11 PM

Yes, I did. Back then they didn’t all know about it. He fooled them into believing that he’s not the other Di*k.

I so hate Hume, who’s totally in his azz on this topic, and so many others.

Schadenfreude on January 20, 2014 at 6:50 PM

NSA Collects ‘Word for Word’ Every Domestic Communication, Says Former Analyst

VorDaj on January 20, 2014 at 6:29 PM

The sheepleton, from both sides, incl. Kruathammer/Hume, are pretty ok with these illegal acts.

Schadenfreude on January 20, 2014 at 6:54 PM

Thanks to Snowden, no one can claim any longer not to know about the extent of NSA spying, the destruction of the right to privacy of American citizens, or who is responsible for it.

If there is any justice in this world, not only will Obama pay the price for trampling our rights, but voters will remember when they go to the polls and they will roundly reject the policies and ideology that permitted and endorsed the destruction of our right to privacy.

thatsafactjack on January 20, 2014 at 6:57 PM

Do NOT miss the very end. It matters a lot.

Schadenfreude on January 20, 2014 at 6:58 PM

Inequality:

85 richest people own as much as bottom half of population, report says

http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-oxfam-world-economic-forum-income-inequality-20140120,0,7080817.story#axzz2qxEXoTZW
davidk on January 20, 2014 at 6:43 PM

We better raise taxes on the middle and upper middle class’s incomes!!!

Spread the wealth!!!

Fallon on January 20, 2014 at 7:00 PM

bear in mind that when Pew asked people whether they’ve heard anything about O’s speech on NSA reform last Friday, just eight percent said they’d “heard a lot.”

The NSA already new these percentages..

Electrongod on January 20, 2014 at 7:07 PM

[k]new

Electrongod on January 20, 2014 at 7:07 PM

— it’s probably because you’re just not paying much attention to this subject POTUS.

FIFY

ted c on January 20, 2014 at 7:15 PM

Hillary will thus have good reason to call for reforms, as will Christie or Jeb or whoever emerges from the center of the GOP.

This was the most depressing sentence of the entire article. #doomed

hillsoftx on January 20, 2014 at 6:43 PM

It’ll be hard to run Cankles on the heels of Urkel and his failed policies.

But, since the GOP is going full steam ahead with their big buddies in the Chamber of Commerce to pass “immigration reform” she’s a shoe in.

So, shaddup. Hill’s a lock for FFPOTUSUSA.

/Looks like hippopotomous

Key West Reader on January 20, 2014 at 7:18 PM

The sheepleton, from both sides, incl. Kruathammer/Hume, are pretty ok with these illegal acts.

Schadenfreude on January 20, 2014 at 6:54 PM

They are beneficiaries of Boomtown DC.

FloatingRock on January 20, 2014 at 7:19 PM

Shoots thirty magazine clips in half a second: http://www.ihatethemedia.com/antigun-democrats-this-is-why-we-cant-take-you-seriously

davidk on January 20, 2014 at 7:22 PM

Who’s he got left to rally? He’s gone thru the gays..the pot heads..the women..the “immigrants..the “green energy” nutbags. What could possibly be next, the pervs..guys with pies..chicks with dickz?
Has he rallied for the midgets yet?
He’s tapped out.

Mimzey on January 20, 2014 at 7:44 PM

He does not have to care. Theres no election.

TX-96 on January 20, 2014 at 7:45 PM

Interestingly, though, non-tea-party Republicans have also moved from slight support on balance for the program to double-digit opposition…

…because they know which side their election is buttered on.

Temporarily interesting.

Tsar of Earth on January 20, 2014 at 7:49 PM

NSA Collects ‘Word for Word’ Every Domestic Communication, Says Former Analyst

VorDaj on January 20, 2014 at 6:29 PM

Easy fix: Everyone sprinkles a few interesting keywords in every communication they make.

Tsar of Earth on January 20, 2014 at 7:55 PM

The more Obama screws up and the more his regime takes our privacy, freedom, and liberty away, the more racist our country becomes.

jukin3 on January 20, 2014 at 8:08 PM

He has zero credibility with me, I don’t believe anything he says anymore. He’s either playing you, or he has an angle, or he’s trying to sell you on something, or he’s blaming someone for something, or trying to win political points. Don’t listen anymore, haven’t for quite some time.

scalleywag on January 20, 2014 at 8:21 PM

Also, he lies. I don’t trust him anymore.

scalleywag on January 20, 2014 at 8:22 PM

President calls current al Qaeda ‘jayvee’

What?

scalleywag on January 20, 2014 at 8:37 PM

Bwahahahahahahahaha

“the folks at NSA and other intelligence agencies are our neighbors. They’re our friends and family.”

YO el jefe Barry…… that was true in East Germany under the Stasi as well….. to name just 1…….. yep…..you wanna strengthening the source of the problem and close the system to outside oversight….. yada yada…… what an azzclown

roflmmfao

donabernathy on January 20, 2014 at 11:03 PM

Obama has used the IRS as his personal ‘Gestapo’ to go after his political enemies, clearing the way for his re-election…he has used the NSA as his own ‘Brown Shirts’ to spy on the people & collect info in case he needs to pressure a politician or judge. He has violated laws & the Constitution thousands of times & continues to do so. What does it take to get people to agree to impeach this SOB?!

easyt65 on January 20, 2014 at 11:07 PM

Chris Christie LOVES him some NSA spying! So, he’s on the wrong side of this issue already! He attacked Rand Paul and Ted Cruz and opposition to NSA spying–read, violations of the Fourth Amendment–as extreme, and “dangerous!”

mountainaires on January 21, 2014 at 6:16 AM