Quotes of the day

posted at 8:01 pm on January 19, 2014 by Allahpundit

When I asked Obama about another area of shifting public opinion—the legalization of marijuana—he seemed even less eager to evolve with any dispatch and get in front of the issue. “As has been well documented, I smoked pot as a kid, and I view it as a bad habit and a vice, not very different from the cigarettes that I smoked as a young person up through a big chunk of my adult life. I don’t think it is more dangerous than alcohol.”…

Less dangerous, he said, “in terms of its impact on the individual consumer. It’s not something I encourage, and I’ve told my daughters I think it’s a bad idea, a waste of time, not very healthy.” What clearly does trouble him is the radically disproportionate arrests and incarcerations for marijuana among minorities. “Middle-class kids don’t get locked up for smoking pot, and poor kids do,” he said. “And African-American kids and Latino kids are more likely to be poor and less likely to have the resources and the support to avoid unduly harsh penalties.” But, he said, “we should not be locking up kids or individual users for long stretches of jail time when some of the folks who are writing those laws have probably done the same thing.” Accordingly, he said of the legalization of marijuana in Colorado and Washington that “it’s important for it to go forward because it’s important for society not to have a situation in which a large portion of people have at one time or another broken the law and only a select few get punished.”

As is his habit, he nimbly argued the other side. “Having said all that, those who argue that legalizing marijuana is a panacea and it solves all these social problems I think are probably overstating the case. There is a lot of hair on that policy. And the experiment that’s going to be taking place in Colorado and Washington is going to be, I think, a challenge.” He noted the slippery-slope arguments that might arise. “I also think that, when it comes to harder drugs, the harm done to the user is profound and the social costs are profound. And you do start getting into some difficult line-drawing issues. If marijuana is fully legalized and at some point folks say, Well, we can come up with a negotiated dose of cocaine that we can show is not any more harmful than vodka, are we open to that? If somebody says, We’ve got a finely calibrated dose of meth, it isn’t going to kill you or rot your teeth, are we O.K. with that?”

***

[Harry] Reid said he began changing his mind about medical marijuana laws after witnessing the health struggles of people who would have been helped by the drug. One of those cases, he said, involved the son of an unnamed Las Vegas official.

“He was so skinny and doing so poorly, and someone told him and his mom, you know, you should smoke some marijuana,” he told The Sun in an interview published on its website on Thursday afternoon. “You get the munchies, you get extremely hungry.”

After the son gained weight, Mr. Reid said, “I thought, you know there might be some medical reasons to taking another look at this.”

***

Marijuana prohibition is like every other prohibition: it drives up costs, creates black markets, and criminalizes trivial behavior. This prohibition feeds an increasingly Kafkaesque, asset-forfeiture-driven, militarized police system, and takes up tens of thousands of prison beds that could be occupied by violent offenders. It costs billions in state and federal enforcement programs with an abysmal price-to-punch ratio.

Which is why it’s time for the GOP to seize the political benefits of getting ahead of where society is already going on the topic of weed.

I’m not saying we should blaze up at fundraisers, or that candidates need to start offering elephant bongs to donors, or that the campaign van needs a Phish sticker. But we should at least be talking about reducing the penalties, danger, and illegality for a drug that society decided a long time ago it likes…

We have a chance to show people our rhetoric on personal freedom isn’t just a campaign talking point, and that we’re serious about ending the criminalization of everyday life.

***

Forty-nine percent in a new ABC News/Washington Post poll support legalizing small amounts of the drug for personal use. Almost exactly the same number, 48 percent, are opposed.

Support for legalization is numerically at a new high in ABC/Post polls, albeit only by a single percentage point from its level slightly more than a year ago, and up dramatically from its lows in the mid-1980s and well into the 1990s.

At the same time, strength of sentiment continues to weigh against the weed. Thirty-six percent “strongly” oppose its legalization, more than the 28 percent who strongly support it.

***

As with issues like guns and immigration, the support/oppose polls don’t necessarily tell the whole story. While a majority supports legalizing marijuana, lawmakers might stand to lose more than they stand to gain by supporting it. That’s because issues like this are all about intensity.

While polling on intensity of marijuana support is limited, consider this: Pew’s poll last year showed just 12 percent of Americans had used marijuana in the past year, while 32 percent said it was morally wrong to do so. So those who are morally opposed to the use of the drug are nearly three times as plentiful as those who actually use the drug.

***

In June, Rand [Paul] attempted to split the difference, saying, “I don’t really believe in prison sentences for these minor, nonviolent drug offenses, but I’m not willing to go all the way to say it is a good idea either. I think people who use marijuana all the time lose IQ points; I think they lose their drive to show up for work.”…

The debate sets up a clash between two pillars of the Republican identity: morality and liberty. “They’re going to come in conflict with each other, for sure,” said Megyesy. “It’s going to be growing pains now as the Republican Party looks for its next breath of life. It’s really hard for them to say, ‘Oh, we would uphold federal law when it comes to marijuana, but push back on federal law on gun control or healthcare.’ I think there’s a big inconsistency there.”…

[T]here seems to be consensus that pot use will increase markedly, an outcome few are cheering. The logic is pretty simple: “Legalization reduces prices. Cannabis use responds to price. Therefore legalization will increase use,” Kleiman said. “Moreover, legalization improves access and reduces stigma and risk. That should encourage still more use. A 50-percent increase in use seems like a reasonable lower bound.” Both Sabet and Kleiman also spoke in grim terms about the emergence, somewhere down the road, of a marijuana industry that may well begin to act like the tobacco lobby used to, pouring money into weakening regulation and questioning science.

***

There was way too much giddiness in the media about the first day of legal pot selling in Colorado. Instead of all the happy talk, I think it’s time for some sober discussion and a strong dose of education about the addiction risks of smoking marijuana — particularly among young people. It may start out as a party, but it often ends up as something much, much worse.

With the grace of God, I’ve been clean and sober for over 18 years — a recovery experience that still has me going to a lot of 12-step meetings. And I hear time and again from young people coming into the rooms to get sober how pot smoking led to harder drugs such as cocaine and heroin. Now, this is anecdotal, and I am not an expert. And I will say that many people can control alcohol or pot or other drugs. But I am not one of them. And I am not alone.

Talk to virtually any professional drug counselor, and they will warn that pot is a gateway drug.

***

I spent too many nights dealing with the stupidity and struggles of stoned bandmates in their early teens to want to follow that path. And while I dare not engage on the “gateway drug” argument, I can tell you that too many of my bandmates who smoked pot in their teens moved on to coke, acid, pills, and occasionally heroin later in life. I spent many nights dealing with their struggles, many hours helping with them through rehab, too many early mornings in emergency rooms, and in one tragic case, too many nights mourning the loss of a dear friend. But I am sure all of these life experiences with friends and acquaintances over 30 years pales in comparison of the education of kick-starting a bong in Mom’s basement while cranking up “Do You Feel Like We Do.”

But I remain defiant in my ignorance.

Unlike alcohol, pot rarely makes you an angry stoner. Unlike coke, pot rarely makes you bankrupt. And unlike heroin, pot rarely makes you dead. Nope. In my three decades or so around a multitude of pot smokers, I have found that all too often, pot just makes you dumb.

***

In a recent interview, the world-famous pop star admitted she was heavily addicted to marijuana. “I have been addicted to it and it’s ultimately related to anxiety coping and it’s a form of self-medication and I was smoking up to 15 or 20 marijuana cigarettes a day with no tobacco,” she said. “I was living on a totally other psychedelic plane, numbing myself completely.”

Lady Gaga said she was speaking out to bust the myth that marijuana is just a harmless plant. “I just want young kids to know that you actually can become addicted to it, and there’s this sentiment that you can’t and that’s actually not true.”…

In its own report arguing against marijuana legalization, the American Medical Association said: “Heavy cannabis use in adolescence causes persistent impairments in neurocognitive performance and IQ, and use is associated with increased rates of anxiety, mood and psychotic thought disorders.”

The country can ill-afford a costly experiment with drugs. While we are undergoing a national debate over improving health care costs and education performance, legalizing marijuana will undercut those vital missions.

***

The sexual revolution may have not turned out too terrible for those who came from upper-income families of privilege and means. It may not have turned out terribly for those with access to higher education and connections. But the sexual revolution has helped ruin poor and middle class families.

The rise of single households in minority communities, the rise of teen pregnancy, the incentive for young men to go from one conquest to the next and the relaxing of attitudes and societal judgment have degraded the stability of the nuclear family. Combine that with the federal government’s war on poverty and there is decay, collapse, crime and social breakdown in too many poor neighborhoods and a harder path for the poor to climb to the middle class.

Now add the legalization of drugs to the mix. Gone may be the crime and gangs funded on the drug trade. Maybe. That is not a given. But young men and women in loosened social mores now with more readily available drugs might not turn out so well beneath the upper incomes. Upstairs and downstairs in the American manor house may behave largely the same, but the upstairs lords and ladies will have a harder time ignoring the blight their pursuit of hedonism has caused downstairs.

Making it about personal responsibility is all well and good until those of us who were personally responsible must cover the cleanup costs of those who were not.

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George Washington’s occupation, hemp farming, should be legalized nation wide. On a state by state basis, of course, but I think we can all agree to that, right? Why in the heck have we turned George Washington, one of the greatest presidents, into a criminal? And do you know who was responsible for making it illegal? Literally, it was progressive, fascist cronies in various industries that were in bed with the government at the time.

FloatingRock on January 20, 2014 at 1:52 AM

Maybe you just found God’s will for marijuana.

Rope.

Axe on January 20, 2014 at 1:59 AM

Some good comes out of Tuscon. This and Katie P.

wolly4321 on January 20, 2014 at 12:18 AM

These are cool, Wolly.

I have a friend that I went to school with who works at The University of Arizona and helped design the instrumentation in the process that created the Hubble Telescope

williamg on January 20, 2014 at 2:02 AM

BISHOP!!

…..page 6

williamg on January 20, 2014 at 2:03 AM

going2mars on January 20, 2014 at 1:49 AM

Can I ask you a ??..:)

Dire Straits on January 20, 2014 at 2:04 AM

surely

going2mars on January 20, 2014 at 2:05 AM

How did you know that?!! That’s going to be a great match to watch. Beauty all around. And good players, too :)

Oh, I don’t know… :)

Eugenie Bouchard

Ana Ivanovic

The best would be an Ivanovic/Muguruza final! That would be HOT.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 19, 2014 at 10:06 PM

I wasn’t familiar with Garbiñe Muguruza, so I looked her up. The first pic I saw of her reminded me of a blonde girl I used to know in the ’90s, who absolutely could have been a model. She was a real sweetheart, too, with a great sense of humor. I haven’t thought about her much for years – now I’m kind of missing her!

Since Azarenka is currently playing (and screeching like an annoying dingbat) I would just mention that I’d love to see a house fall on her before the end of the set. Man, that chick really bothers me.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 19, 2014 at 10:08 PM

lol

I can’t stand the screeching, either, but I like her competitiveness.

Anti-Control on January 20, 2014 at 2:05 AM

From bottom to top

“Toking” with Lawrence Welk

kcewa on January 20, 2014 at 2:06 AM

Maybe you just found God’s will for marijuana.

Rope.

Axe on January 20, 2014 at 1:59 AM

And the seeds are one of the highest sources of protein, I believe more than soy beans, are one of the most nutritious bird seeds and an excellent source of oil. The fiber is good for rope and is stronger and more durable than cotton. The cotton industry was another one that petitioned the government to outlaw hemp, BTW.

When people call it a miracle plant it’s not just a hippy pipe-dream, it truly is.

FloatingRock on January 20, 2014 at 2:06 AM

Someone can take a toke or two to “take the edge off” without getting really high.

Tom_Shipley on January 19, 2014 at 9:54 PM

Very true.

FloatingRock on January 19, 2014 at 10:34 PM

Very WRONG – Not with the potency of the stuff on the street today…..I know – I see it weekly in meetings…..

He’s full of crap……..

williamg on January 20, 2014 at 2:06 AM

From bottom to top

“Toking” with Lawrence Welk

kcewa on January 20, 2014 at 2:06 AM

I posted this a while back……I remember my fellow Missouri Boys – Brewer and Shipley – who hung around the Radio Station I worked at in the ’70s talking about this…….

…..truly funny stuff…..and innocent…..and it’s a damn good song, anyway….

williamg on January 20, 2014 at 2:10 AM

Ze weed…..

tommy71 on January 20, 2014 at 2:11 AM

going2mars on January 20, 2014 at 2:05 AM

I think you said you used to work with DoD in Southern Califonia some years back..Was it for a private contractor???..:)

PS..If that is too personal I apologize..:)

Dire Straits on January 20, 2014 at 2:12 AM

nope.

erase erase erase.

And enough of that.

Axe on January 20, 2014 at 2:17 AM

It’s just a weed, man.

Knott Buyinit on January 19, 2014 at 9:43 PM


So is belladonna.

Lanceman on January 19, 2014 at 9:45 PM

Audience – “Belladonna Moonshine”

Anti-Control on January 20, 2014 at 2:20 AM

Very WRONG – Not with the potency of the stuff on the street today…..I know – I see it weekly in meetings…..

He’s full of crap……..

williamg on January 20, 2014 at 2:06 AM

Sorry, you’re wrong. It is possible to be a light smoker of MJ even with the more potent variety because you just smoke less of it. Some people who are chronic smokers might smoke until they fall asleep, (although I doubt that’s common aside from some people who may suffer from insomnia), but most people don’t want to smoke it until they drop, they smoke it to feel good and if you smoke too much then you get tired and you lose focus and it defeats the purpose. Maybe that’s what some minority of MJ smokers prefer but they are a small minority. You are wrong if you are trying to imply that people can’t control themselves. It’s not heroin or nicotine, it’s MJ. The reefer madness propaganda was just that, propaganda. Somebody I met told me that if they have premium bud they put a small amount in a bowl and take a single toke that doesn’t make them cough, but if they have low quality shag or something then they have to smoke more than a bowl and are more likely to put more in the bowl, have to ingest a lot more particulate matter in the form of smoke so it causes more harm to their lungs. They try to smoke a certain amount to achieve the desired affect and no more.

The higher the potency, the less one has to smoke, the less smoke they have to consume, the less harm to their lungs. Potent MJ is safer than low-quality MJ.

FloatingRock on January 20, 2014 at 2:20 AM

Dire Straits on January 20, 2014 at 2:12 AM
I went to LA for the first time in 1980..Reagan..
worked for TRW ..direct….then Hughes…direct..
after I got tired of the contractors making twice my wage
I was a contractor…with the Marquardt Co…ITT Gilfillin..
…off to Arizona contracting with McDonnell Douglas..
who got bought by Boeing…
I came back home to be a caregiver….grandmother..
and in Michigan we draw cars….contracting….
after grandmother left us..i went back to LA…Boeing…contracting..
then to HR Textron…and JPL..all contracts…
the last gig I had in LA I contracted for Woodward HRT…
and last year I came back home to be a caregiver again…my mother..
she left us last summer…so for now…
I am drawing for Woodward from my house…
but i’ll prolly be back in LA sooner or later…
so…mostly contracting would be my answer..with per diem..

going2mars on January 20, 2014 at 2:21 AM

going2mars on January 20, 2014 at 2:21 AM

Good deal..I have some family ties to the contractors you mentioned..Great companies that were\are very much the fabric of America..:)

PS..Sorry for your loss of your Mother..

Dire Straits on January 20, 2014 at 2:32 AM

Dire Straits on January 20, 2014 at 2:12 AM

you in need of a designer maybe??

going2mars on January 20, 2014 at 2:33 AM

Mega default in China scheduled for January 31

thatsafactjack on January 20, 2014 at 12:49 AM

China economic growth at 14-year low

****************************************

China building second aircraft carrier: reports

The PLA says: “Isn’t it nice that the USA is arguing about legalizing drugs and gays and Snowden?”

kcewa on January 20, 2014 at 2:36 AM

After dark you blossom out, you flower in the night
You smell of roses, but sometimes you tasted almost like Deadly Nightshade

In a while, she’ll take over your whole life if you let her
She can intoxicate the minds of men who should know better
Like deadly nightshade
Like deadly nightshade
Like deadly nightshade
Like deadly nightshade
Can’t ya see?
The whole world’s crumbling under me

Stars are your companions and the darkness is your friend
It protects you from the gaze of any would-be hired assassin of deadly nightshade
After dark you blossom out, you flower in the night
You smell of roses, but sometimes you tasted almost like deadly nightshade
My belladonna
Like deadly nightshade
My belladonna

Anti-Control on January 20, 2014 at 2:39 AM

The PLA says: “Isn’t it nice that the USA is arguing about legalizing drugs and gays and Snowden?”

kcewa on January 20, 2014 at 2:36 AM

Yep!

In the US, only one topic can be handled at a time – no juggling/multitasking here!

Anti-Control on January 20, 2014 at 2:41 AM

Louis Armstrong – Muggles

kcewa on January 20, 2014 at 2:43 AM

In the US, only one topic can be handled at a time – no juggling/multitasking here!

Anti-Control on January 20, 2014 at 2:41 AM

I count three…

kcewa on January 20, 2014 at 2:44 AM

you in need of a designer maybe??

going2mars on January 20, 2014 at 2:33 AM

No..:)

Dire Straits on January 20, 2014 at 2:48 AM

Dire Straits on January 20, 2014 at 2:48 AM

now I am wondering…
why the contractor question??

going2mars on January 20, 2014 at 2:49 AM

Maybe you just found God’s will for marijuana.

Rope.

Axe on January 20, 2014 at 1:59 AM

Do you believe God looks at cannabinoids much differently than He does opioids, or alcohol?

Anti-Control on January 20, 2014 at 2:51 AM

now I am wondering…
why the contractor question??

going2mars on January 20, 2014 at 2:49 AM

So he can find you!

OMG! NO, DIRE! NOT ANOTHER ONE!

Axe on January 20, 2014 at 2:51 AM

After dark you blossom out, you flower in the night
You smell of roses, but sometimes you tasted almost like Deadly Nightshade
Anti-Control on January 20, 2014 at 2:39 AM

poisonberry pie Phil Everly

Start smokin’ those morning glories
And when she’s caught she tell the story
Not as bad as drinkin’ all of that Mountain Dew
She bakes me poisonberry pie
To feed me when I’m high
So the very next time I die
You’ll know why

kcewa on January 20, 2014 at 2:52 AM

OMG! NO, DIRE! NOT ANOTHER ONE!

Axe on January 20, 2014 at 2:51 AM

its why GOD invented the 30 round clip…DIRE ZOMBIES…

going2mars on January 20, 2014 at 2:54 AM

Anti-Control, I’m sorry I called you a d-bag last night. You did call me an extremist first, but in hindsight I don’t think you meant it in the way the word is frequently used in politics but rather contextually to the either/or aspect of my comment. I don’t think I agree with your interpretation of that comment but realize in hindsight that it was probably an honest misunderstanding.

FloatingRock on January 20, 2014 at 2:58 AM

<- more work, less debating God's will or lack thereof when it comes to his children blasting their own minds temporarily out of existence.

Axe on January 20, 2014 at 1:45 AM

I can’t stick around, she said
Not much to be found, she said
I ought to know, time goes by slowly
I am here and I am young
Life is here and not much fun
Somehow, some way, I missed my day
Don’t you ever get sick of feeling sick about it?
Don’t you ever get sick of feeling sick without it?

She wakes up and cracks a beer
Wants to feel she isn’t here
Sometimes she cries, and she doesn’t know why
She is only 22, and she feels her life is through
Blames it on fate, starts drinking at 8
Don’t you ever get sick of feeling sick about it?
Don’t you ever get sick of feeling sick without it?

Sorrow Floats
Sorrow floats
Sorrow floats
Sorrow floats

She’s too young to feel that old
She’s too kind to be that cold
I try to help, I just start to yell
Too much time is spent to think
And too much money spent on drink
I’m far away, but still I should say
Don’t you ever get sick of feeling sick about it?
Don’t you ever get sick of feeling sick without it?

You can’t drown your sorrows, or on you will be the joke
Because the only thing that you will drown is yourself
‘Cause you see my dear, sorrow it floats

Anti-Control on January 20, 2014 at 2:59 AM

The higher the potency, the less one has to smoke, the less smoke they have to consume, the less harm to their lungs. Potent MJ is safer than low-quality MJ.

FloatingRock on January 20, 2014 at 2:20 AM

You are wrong if you are trying to imply that people can’t control themselves.

Ok – you’re full of crap, too…..or you’re HIGH.

“Taking the edge off” does NOT mean “not passing out asleep”

Two or even One bong hit of today’s weed puts you in Wonderland. You are IMPARED. That was FAAR less the case in the 60s 70s and 80s.

Interestingly – I NEVER said anything implying people’s “ability to control themselves” – yet you are all over being defensive about that. Not always the case – but that’s a common characteristic of denial.

Do you use?

You’re full of crap on ice – but do you use? Do you go to meeting? NA or otherwise.

Don’t even PRETEND to lecture me, jackass - you’re not qualified.

williamg on January 20, 2014 at 3:07 AM

The higher the potency, the less one has to smoke, the less smoke they have to consume, the less harm to their lungs. Potent MJ is safer than low-quality MJ.

FloatingRock on January 20, 2014 at 2:20 AM

This shows how little you know.

Lung damage is primarily related to the temperature at which the stuff burns. Guess what? Today’s dope burns at a higher temperature.

You’re just not coherent.

How much dope do you smoke a day?

williamg on January 20, 2014 at 3:10 AM

Do you believe God looks at cannabinoids much differently than He does opioids, or alcohol?

Anti-Control on January 20, 2014 at 2:51 AM

Nope. And I believe it’s all good, AC. It’s necessary to treat things differently in practice — some opiates are so immediately harmful and so immediately addictive that picking them up even once is a bad idea — but in the abstract, with or without a fallen world, it’s what we do with it that’s evil or good.

It’s just that we try to walk in a liberty that is actually available to us, but we do it for the wrong reasons. The person that wouldn’t smoke dope if God told them he preferred they didn’t — that’s the person who could. We’re usually the person who wants to do something anyway, knowing God would have it otherwise, and then we do it and put it into a “no big deal” box. It looks to me like we’ve become Hedonists, one “no big deal” at a time.

I’m always hamstrung on these threads. I think marijuana is a small thing; I think incorporating its use into your life hands your life over to it, which is a big thing — who your friends are, where you party, how you party. It’s too complicated to argue meaningfully in boxes, and by the time people are just making things up — the person who carefully inhales one-half of one breath to relax but not get high and so on — it’s maddening. :)

#yeastcott was really funny, though. :)

Axe on January 20, 2014 at 3:11 AM

going2mars on January 20, 2014 at 2:49 AM

Just curious..That is all..:)

Dire Straits on January 20, 2014 at 3:12 AM

Do you use?

williamg on January 20, 2014 at 3:07 AM

I don’t think he’s even seen, judging by his assessments. :)

His federalism arguments are more compelling.

Axe on January 20, 2014 at 3:13 AM

Too Many Crap-Filled Idiots here tonight.

Stevie Ray and Lou Reed and I would have had a good conversation about how full of crap they were…..when we were at a meeting.

No sense conversing with fools.

williamg on January 20, 2014 at 3:13 AM

Axe on January 20, 2014 at 3:11 AM

Dude, well said!

Murphy9 on January 20, 2014 at 3:14 AM

i see the Iranians are being talked up about having a bomb in 2 or three weeks.

more likely this means that they will have enough 90 percent HEU to form into a bomb. But it is more complicated than that. A triggering mechanism, and getting/shaping this into a weaponized bomb, on the tippy top of an Ballistic missile, with the knowledge to trigger it at X feet about Mean See Level

so we have to be honest about these things. I think they aer passing their time perfecting a missile system that will carry their beloved bomb that will trigger at the right time.

but that’s just me.

the key is that We Will Know What they are doing. National intelligence means and all that. So bomb the missle pad.

after all in our on ‘starwars’ we divided a missiles trajectory

Same here.

r keller on January 20, 2014 at 3:14 AM

Dire Straits on January 20, 2014 at 3:12 AM

I have been very fortunate to have worked in some really cool places.. drawing some really cool bits,,
but caring for my grandmother and mom was the best thing I will ever do..i am sure of it..

your not anti contractor …are ya??..

going2mars on January 20, 2014 at 3:20 AM

OMG! NO, DIRE! NOT ANOTHER ONE!

Axe on January 20, 2014 at 2:51 AM

its why GOD invented the 30 round clip…DIRE ZOMBIES…

going2mars on January 20, 2014 at 2:54 AM

rofl..:)

Dire Straits on January 20, 2014 at 3:22 AM

I count three…

kcewa on January 20, 2014 at 2:44 AM

In the US, it’s only one topic at a time! :)

poisonberry pie Phil Everly

Start smokin’ those morning glories
And when she’s caught she tell the story
Not as bad as drinkin’ all of that Mountain Dew
She bakes me poisonberry pie
To feed me when I’m high
So the very next time I die
You’ll know why

kcewa on January 20, 2014 at 2:52 AM

When Jesus turned water into wine, I’m just so sure it was of the non-alcoholic variety…

Elton John – “Elderberry Wine”

PS “Poisonberry Pie” reminds me of “Dear Prudence” and “White Room”!

Anti-Control on January 20, 2014 at 3:25 AM

Dude, well said!

Murphy9 on January 20, 2014 at 3:14 AM

Thanks man. :)

Axe on January 20, 2014 at 3:29 AM

your not anti contractor …are ya??..

going2mars on January 20, 2014 at 3:20 AM

No sir..Not in the least..:)

PS..As for taking care of your grandmother and mom..That was\is highly noble and I commend you for that effort..:)

Dire Straits on January 20, 2014 at 3:30 AM

Van Nuys

Axe on January 20, 2014 at 3:31 AM

poison moon- elvis costello

kcewa on January 20, 2014 at 3:33 AM

I can’t stand the screeching, either, but I like her competitiveness.

Anti-Control on January 20, 2014 at 2:05 AM

Her screeching is particularly bad but my big problem with Azarenka is that she’s a cheater. She should have been thrown out of the Aussie Open last year and banned from tournament play for a few months, at least. And that doofus boyfriend of hers they keep showing is annoying. Who cares about that guy, whoever he is? He reminds me of a mix between the guy with the rainbow afro who used to show up at every sports event back in the 70s and Bozo the Clown.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 20, 2014 at 3:37 AM

Anti-Control, I’m sorry I called you a d-bag last night. You did call me an extremist first, but in hindsight I don’t think you meant it in the way the word is frequently used in politics but rather contextually to the either/or aspect of my comment. I don’t think I agree with your interpretation of that comment but realize in hindsight that it was probably an honest misunderstanding.

FloatingRock on January 20, 2014 at 2:58 AM

You are 100% right about how I meant it.

It surprised me when it happened, but I realized last night while we were talking further that you called me a d-bag due to a misuderstanding. I appreciate the apologetic attitude you have. :)

To be clear about how I meant “extremist,” I used it in the sense that I’ve seen many Snowden supporters surmise that you if you don’t fully support Snowden, you must be an anti-Constitutionalist and/or an absolute NSA defender…that kind of “either/or” mentality is ridiculous.

Anti-Control on January 20, 2014 at 3:37 AM

Dire Straits on January 20, 2014 at 3:30 AM

to the liberal mind.. the elderly..is just a problem…
very much like babies…a problem that needs to go away…
put em in a home…abort them…death panels..
you’ve lived long enough ms smith take some pills and shut up..
to us…caring for those that brought us into this world..
is an honor.. a way to show respect and gratitude…
they both cared for me on the way in….and me, for them, on the way out….it’s an opportunity to pay them back…
id do it all again in a second..

going2mars on January 20, 2014 at 3:38 AM

Ralph Stanley,Keith Whitley,Ricky Skaggs-Glass Of Wine

He went to the bar and called her to him
She said Willie dear, what you want with me
Come and drink wine with the one that loves you
More than anyone else you know, said he

kcewa on January 20, 2014 at 3:46 AM

you can watch Rosetta wake up live in about 15 minutes here
http://www.space.com/17933-nasa-television-webcasts-live-space-tv.html
for all you space watchers..

going2mars on January 20, 2014 at 3:58 AM

Nope. And I believe it’s all good, AC. It’s necessary to treat things differently in practice — some opiates are so immediately harmful and so immediately addictive that picking them up even once is a bad idea — but in the abstract, with or without a fallen world, it’s what we do with it that’s evil or good.

It’s just that we try to walk in a liberty that is actually available to us, but we do it for the wrong reasons. The person that wouldn’t smoke dope if God told them he preferred they didn’t — that’s the person who could. We’re usually the person who wants to do something anyway, knowing God would have it otherwise, and then we do it and put it into a “no big deal” box. It looks to me like we’ve become Hedonists, one “no big deal” at a time.

I’m always hamstrung on these threads. I think marijuana is a small thing; I think incorporating its use into your life hands your life over to it, which is a big thing — who your friends are, where you party, how you party. It’s too complicated to argue meaningfully in boxes, and by the time people are just making things up — the person who carefully inhales one-half of one breath to relax but not get high and so on — it’s maddening. :)

#yeastcott was really funny, though. :)

Axe on January 20, 2014 at 3:11 AM

1) I disagree with what you said about opiates, because we all don’t suffer from addiction the same way.

2) There’s no rationally convincing argument to be made that God looks at marijuana usage/intoxication differently than He does alcohol or opioid usage/intoxication. Who seriously believes that our brains have cannabinoid receptors just for the hell of it, anyway? “reefer madness”-types have issues…

3) Are there not different levels of marijuana intoxication, as there are with alcohol? I myself don’t see what so maddening or complicated about discussing the topic in a friendly manner! :)

Anti-Control on January 20, 2014 at 3:58 AM

Her screeching is particularly bad but my big problem with Azarenka is that she’s a cheater. She should have been thrown out of the Aussie Open last year and banned from tournament play for a few months, at least.

Reminds me of Justine Henin, who I believe was even worse!

And that doofus boyfriend of hers they keep showing is annoying. Who cares about that guy, whoever he is? He reminds me of a mix between the guy with the rainbow afro who used to show up at every sports event back in the 70s and Bozo the Clown.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 20, 2014 at 3:37 AM

lol :)

Anti-Control on January 20, 2014 at 4:05 AM

williamg on January 20, 2014 at 3:10 AM

It depends on the quantity of MJ loaded in the bong hit, the physical size of the person and how much they are used to smoking. If you put a small amount of MJ in the bong and burn it completely then one hit isn’t as much as if you put in a lot. A large person is affected less by X amount than a smaller person by the same amount. Somebody who smokes regularly and has built up an tolerance is affected less by X amount than another person of the same physical size who smokes less MJ, less frequently. It’s quite subjective. Perhaps to you a bong hit means something different than it does to another. I’ve met people who were heavy smokers who pack a whole bunch of bud in a bowl, enough for more than one lighting, and smoke a huge dose, more smoke than another person I’ve met who is a light smoker could tolerate. The term, “take the edge off”, is also a subjective term, one that I wouldn’t have personally thought to use so I’m not trying to defend that description, I’m only arguing that it’s possible to smoke less than a lot.

But I do agree with you that for a typical person, smoking two big bowls of potent MJ in a row, if they’re able to hold in the smoke, it would be wrong to say it’s a small amount unless they are very large, perhaps. For most people that wouldn’t be like having a single drink, for example. Some people might consider two very small bowls as “taking the edge off”. My point is that it’s possible to smoke a small amount of MJ in a bowl, you just put less in. Somebody I met, that’s exactly what they do. I’m sure that those who pack the bowl full for several lightings can use other means to accomplish the same thing if they choose. Granted, the relatively light smoker I know tends to smoke a single bowl at a time unless the potency is very low, so it’s difficult for me to argue that two bowls qualifies as “taking the edge off”, but it’s still subjective so I’m not ruling it out. Some people might say that three bowls “takes the edge off”, who cares?

FloatingRock on January 20, 2014 at 4:08 AM

When I see “reefer-madness”-types ranting about the marijuana scourge (HA poster harlekwin15 comes to mind!), I think of this scene from “Falling Down”:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSPZ0fCEetg

Anti-Control on January 20, 2014 at 4:09 AM

you can watch Rosetta wake up live in about 15 minutes here
http://www.space.com/17933-nasa-television-webcasts-live-space-tv.html
for all you space watchers..

going2mars on January 20, 2014 at 3:58 AM

If it’s still there ?!?

kcewa on January 20, 2014 at 4:11 AM

If it’s still there ?!?

kcewa on January 20, 2014 at 4:11 AM

gonna be a short webcast if it isn’t alive..

going2mars on January 20, 2014 at 4:14 AM

…I didn’t want to say it, but just to be thorough in my response to WilliamG: but fat people in particular probably have to smoke more MJ to achieve the same desired affect as a skinny person, for a fat person, two or three hits might be comparable to one by a skinny person, per my understanding. I’m not saying William is fat, nor am I implying that the other person who brought up the “take the edge off” phrase is fat, because like I said, there are other factors and it’s all subjective.

FloatingRock on January 20, 2014 at 4:17 AM

Anyone else remember these days? :)

Queen – “Another One Bites the Dust”/It’s fun to smoke marijuana

Anti-Control on January 20, 2014 at 4:20 AM

Anyone else remember these days? :)

Queen – “Another One Bites the Dust”/It’s fun to smoke marijuana

Anti-Control on January 20, 2014 at 4:20 AM

lol

kcewa on January 20, 2014 at 4:27 AM

…I didn’t want to say it, but just to be thorough in my response to WilliamG: but fat people in particular probably have to smoke more MJ to achieve the same desired affect as a skinny person, for a fat person, two or three hits might be comparable to one by a skinny person, per my understanding. I’m not saying William is fat, nor am I implying that the other person who brought up the “take the edge off” phrase is fat, because like I said, there are other factors and it’s all subjective.

FloatingRock on January 20, 2014 at 4:17 AM

lol

Axe on January 20, 2014 at 4:28 AM

#axecott

Axe on January 20, 2014 at 4:28 AM

Grateful Dead 8 27 72 ( Veneta, Oregon) – China/Rider – ‘Sunshine Daydream’ film

I may have been in the, uh, general vicinity…

kcewa on January 20, 2014 at 4:36 AM

Anti-Control on January 20, 2014 at 4:20 AM

Yeah, I tried play a few controversial records backwards when I was a kid but was never impressed with the result. This one is almost believable.

FloatingRock on January 20, 2014 at 4:39 AM

kcewa on January 20, 2014 at 4:36 AM

I haven’t listened to much of their work but am a fan of their song Touch of Gray.

FloatingRock on January 20, 2014 at 4:44 AM

The Hounds – “Drugland Weekend”

Anti-Control on January 20, 2014 at 4:55 AM

The Hounds

Anti-Control on January 20, 2014 at 4:56 AM

Anyone else remember these days? :)

Queen – “Another One Bites the Dust”/It’s fun to smoke marijuana

Anti-Control on January 20, 2014 at 4:20 AM

lol

kcewa on January 20, 2014 at 4:27 AM

Did you notice what time it posted, Beavis kcewa? heh-heh-heh

Yeah, I tried play a few controversial records backwards when I was a kid but was never impressed with the result. This one is almost believable.

FloatingRock on January 20, 2014 at 4:39 AM

I was given a cassette in the early ’80s of some minister who had samples of Queen, Black Oak Arkansas, ELO…the examples he gave were actually pretty impressive. Unsurprisingly, the guy probably also had OCD! :)

Anti-Control on January 20, 2014 at 5:02 AM

I was given a cassette in the early ’80s of some minister who had samples of Queen, Black Oak Arkansas, ELO…the examples he gave were actually pretty impressive. Unsurprisingly, the guy probably also had OCD! :)

Anti-Control on January 20, 2014 at 5:02 AM

Jesus freak days…

kcewa on January 20, 2014 at 5:04 AM

Wondering what I’m doing tonight
I’ve been in the closet and I feel all right
Ran out of Carbona, mom threw out the glue
Ran out of paint and roach spray too
It’s TV’s fault why I am this way
Mom and pop wanna put me away
From the early morning movie to the late late show
After it’s over, nowhere to go
And I’m not sorry for the things I do
My brain is stuck from shooting glue
I’m not sorry for the things I do
Do, Carbona Not Glue, Carbona not glue

Anti-Control on January 20, 2014 at 5:15 AM

Now I Wanna Sniff Some Glue
Now I wanna have somethin’ to do
All the kids wanna sniff some glue
All the kids want somethin’ to do
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8

Anti-Control on January 20, 2014 at 5:22 AM

Townes Van Zandt – Dead Flowers

kcewa on January 20, 2014 at 5:38 AM

Small Faces – Itchycoo Park

kcewa on January 20, 2014 at 5:46 AM

If the GOP decides to take a ride on the “slippery slope” on social issues,they will slip right into oblivion.These libertines(er libertarians)sure are a bunch of amoral people.

redware on January 20, 2014 at 6:04 AM

it’s all christie on morning joe. bob gibbs piling on now.
the chiron reads “gathering storm” so you know the libs have’nt even warmed up.

renalin on January 20, 2014 at 6:11 AM

Good Morning, Patriots! And, Trolls.

“I have a dream…” – Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., August 1963
“There’s no doubt that there’s some folks who just really dislike me because they don’t like the idea of a black President,” – President Barak Hussein Obama – January 2014

My take: “It is Not About Your Race, Mr. President. It is About the Content of Your Character.”

kingsjester on January 20, 2014 at 6:55 AM

kingsjester on January 20, 2014 at 6:55 AM

Brilliant.

esr1951 on January 20, 2014 at 7:36 AM

esr1951 on January 20, 2014 at 7:36 AM

Thank you!

kingsjester on January 20, 2014 at 7:50 AM

My take: “It is Not About Your Race, Mr. President. It is About the Content of Your Character.”

kingsjester on January 20, 2014 at 6:55 AM

…so when his approval ratings were high…every body liked the idea of a black President…right… JugEars?…he even thinks like a spoiled little baby!

KOOLAID2 on January 20, 2014 at 8:11 AM

My take: “It is Not About Your Race, Mr. President. It is About the Content of Your Character.”

kingsjester on January 20, 2014 at 6:55 AM

…from the previous thread (QOTD)

KOOLAID2 on January 20, 2014 at 8:14 AM

…sorry …wrong 8:01 thread!…was for AM thread (:->)

KOOLAID2 on January 20, 2014 at 8:16 AM

“Everything for the state, nothing outside the state, nothing above the state”

roflmmfao

donabernathy on January 20, 2014 at 9:42 AM

obama ran on the wrong logo – should be changed to

Hope and Dope

He has a new life and a new legend.

Schadenfreude on January 20, 2014 at 11:14 AM

Nite J. :)

Schadenfreude on January 20, 2014 at 11:53 AM

r keller on January 20, 2014 at 3:14 AM

Problem is, Iran has already been caught collaborating with the North Koreans, who already know that stuff. If I were to guess, they already have the intel… just haven’t built/tested it yet.

dominigan on January 20, 2014 at 1:57 PM

What does his Surgeon General have to say about his comments?

Amazingoly on January 20, 2014 at 2:49 PM

Wow. The munchies? That’s the best reason Dingy Harry could come up with for legalizing medical marijuana? So that a skinny kid would eat more? That’s mind numbingly stupid, and utterly devoid of any medical justification, without knowing the complete history of the patient, his family, and his circumstances. Of course, the truth is that this is just another fabricated anecdote to support the crisis du jour.

Shameless as always.

Freelancer on January 21, 2014 at 3:00 AM

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