Open thread: President to announce “major reforms” of NSA

posted at 10:41 am on January 17, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

Earlier today I offered my thoughts on what constitutes a “major reform,” but at 11 am ET, Barack Obama will offer his. The speech will attempt to close out what has become a major embarrassment for the White House, the Edward Snowden exposure of not just the phone metadata collection and use under Section 215, but also exposure of legitimate intelligence efforts.  Former NSA Director Michael Hayden, who ran the programs during the Bush administration, claimed today that Snowden “misshaped the debate“:

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Hayden offered considerable skepticism about whether this is reform at all:

Edward Snowden’s major revelations about invasive U.S. surveillance programs have caused “serious, irreversible harm” to the way the National Security Agency protects the country against foreign threats, former NSA director Michael Hayden said Friday.

“People around the world now know more about the American intelligence process than they know about their own intelligence processes. That’s not good for civil liberties or for security,” Hayden told TODAY’s Savannah Guthrie.

Hayden spoke just hours before President Obama was to propose reforms to NSA policies involving the agency’s ability to store phone data from millions of Americas. The proposals are an effort to boost the country’s trust in the agency and in how the government can balance protecting national security with concerns about personal privacy.

Hayden said most of the changes are “a little bit more than window dressing,” although he expressed concern over one element that would require NSA to get approval from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court before acting on certain data involving foreign nationals.

He told the Morning Joe crew that he expects business as usual at NSA:

“I think what we are going to see in the speech, Joe, is all of the language in the speech kind of fading left about transformation and transparency and checks and balances, but, frankly, I think the substance of the speech is going to be holding his ground,” Hayden told MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” host Joe Scarborough based on news reports of what Obama will unveil on Friday.

“I don’t know that American intelligence agencies are going to be doing a whole lot of things different in a week, a month, or a year than what they are doing right now,” Hayden continued.

The big mission for Obama today, Hayden suggests, is to be “reassuring” about the NSA and its surveillance programs. Chris Cillizza and Sean Sullivan offer five questions that will determine the success or failure of today’s speech, especially whether Obama apologizes for NSA overreach:

2.  Does Obama say “sorry” (or something like it)?

Obama has spent most of his time since the revelations about the extent of the NSA’s spying programs defending their necessity — although it’s clear he has evolved from his forceful insistence in June 2013 of the necessity of what the government was doing. But, Obama has never said he was sorry for not better informing the public of at least some of the information that was being gathered.  It seems unlikely, given what we know about the speech, that Obama will choose now to offer a broad apology — particularly when you consider that people like New York Rep. Pete King have already scolded the president for “being defensive” about what the NSA does.

Cillizza and Sullivan both expect the actual changes to be minimal:

4. Are privacy advocates/liberals in the Senate placated?

The answer to this one seems likely to be “no.” Again, nothing we have seen in the early readouts of the speech suggest that Obama plans to drastically alter the information gathering apparatus in place.

Marc Ambinder thinks this will impact Obama’s legacy, but also doesn’t see much potential for substantive change:

I tend not to see every presidential policy speech as legacy-defining, but Friday’s speech might just fit the bill. Obama has used his second term to review and claw back the advancing national security state that he endorsed and expanded when he took office. I’ve written this before, but he really does not want to be known as the president who enshrined indefinite detention of terrorism suspects into law, or who abused the state secrets privilege, or who allowed the surveillance state to run amok. Geoffrey Stone, a law school colleague of Obama’s who also served on his intelligence review panel, told me a long time ago that Obama, in his core, viewed himself as a champion of civil liberties and would be disappointed in himself if he did not leave a legacy of having advanced the ball down the field. To put it another way, Obama does care whether Americans perceive him to be a defender of their liberties.

Obama also cares about world opinion. In much the same way, although not to the degree, that George W. Bush did not want Muslims around the world to see themselves as the objects of his war on terrorism, Obama does not want the average person in the developing world to see himself as a legitimate target of American surveillance. If Obama changes the rules about targeting foreigners, he’ll do so not because he believes that non-Americans deserve the same protections as Americans, but because he believes that it is not in America’s interests for the average person around the world to be afraid of, or to have a reason to distrust, America and its actions.

But …

He will focus, I think, on the puzzle of metadata. Its collection can be incredibly valuable, but its analysis can be incredibly, potentially harmful. Metadata will always be produced by everything we do. We are walking emitters. Obama will not do anything to fundamentally constrain the NSA’s ability to collect and analyze the metadata it needs to in order to fulfill the core intelligence requirements that the executive branch sends down. That’s a hard line.

That’s pretty much the ballgame from the early White House leaks of the “reform,” too. Obama will probably punt the identity of the ownership of the telecom database to Congress, but that data will still be collected, and NSA will still have access to it.  That’s less of a reform than it is a tweak, and Obama may speak for quite a while on his love of civil liberties to distract people from that fact.

We’ll see. And we’ll also see whether he tosses any rhetorical bones to Edward Snowden. I’d call that extremely unlikely, but if Obama wants to distract from the small-ball approach to reform, an offer of amnesty to Snowden would certainly succeed.


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Embrace the suck…and there is much that sucks about this administration….

crosshugger on January 17, 2014 at 10:43 AM

It’s going to be his usual empty rhetoric that calms the base and nothing will change.

Dr. Frank Enstine on January 17, 2014 at 10:46 AM

Make no mistake, everything I say is a lie, period.

forest on January 17, 2014 at 10:46 AM

More pens and more phones.

nobar on January 17, 2014 at 10:48 AM

So the usual: he’s sorry you don’t understand and doesn’t want to be perceived accurately.

Fenris on January 17, 2014 at 10:50 AM

He really thinks people are stupid.

“Uhh..uhh..This is a big change..let me be clear..this will change the whole program and should put peoples minds to rest about any illegal invasions of privacy…we’re still going to do that, but..but..but we’ll store it in a different room.”

Mimzey on January 17, 2014 at 10:53 AM

That there is a lot of words expended to try to guess what Obama will say but we’ve learned that isn’t worth spit. It’s what he’ll do.

Like Brian Sweitzer noted, try to name something worthwhile he has accomplished.

DanMan on January 17, 2014 at 10:54 AM

“Oh you should see it from out here!”

onomo on January 17, 2014 at 10:58 AM

Nothing but yet another little distraction from ObamaGlitch.

All this dog and pony show means nothing. The damage has already been done. The Marxist ideologues in the White House and in Congress have already done enough. They’ve rigged the rules of the game so that THEY are now the only ones that can win.

Sorry to say it, but this nation is done. It’s just a question of how long it will take to finish the implosion.

Meople on January 17, 2014 at 10:59 AM

Earlier today I offered my thoughts on what constitutes a “major reform,” but at 11 am ET, Barack Obama will offer his.

So, 11:30am ish.

Happy Nomad on January 17, 2014 at 11:00 AM

“Not a fingah!”

Akzed on January 17, 2014 at 11:01 AM

So, 11:30am ish.

I was going to say 1120. Any bets?

Mike Morrissey on January 17, 2014 at 11:02 AM

Let’s remember something else here. For all the claims of this spying on Americans being necessary it has not stopped a single terror attack. The NSA lied about that too when they claimed something like 50 seperate attacks foiled by spying. If this speech is meant to restore public trust it will be as successful as a Nigerian Gay Pride parade so long as Obama’s administration is in charge. Keep in mind, Clapper and Alexander are still the ones in charge.

Happy Nomad on January 17, 2014 at 11:03 AM

It’s amazing how rotten approval numbers can force Obama into action.

So this is an announcement about the NSA spying in which Obama had little knowledge of? And now the dictator will make the changes, but throw in the bones about “seeking input from Congress” and finding a “judicial ruling” because he really respects the three branches of our government? Well, this should be good. I expect President Stompy Feet to do his best impersonation of concern trolling. Meanwhile, he’ll continue his unilateral actions and nobody will stop him.

conservative pilgrim on January 17, 2014 at 11:05 AM

I just found out about this
-obama

cmsinaz on January 17, 2014 at 11:05 AM

Blame the straw man gop
Some say…..

I inherited…..

cmsinaz on January 17, 2014 at 11:06 AM

Is there anything that this President – or this government – can say any longer that anyone should have reason to actually *believe*? You know, other than anything that’s overtly negative (eg: “bend over, because we’re going to screw you again” – those we could safely believe).

This is profoundly problematic in terms of the relationship between the government and the citizens. Getting back away from this rhetorical cliff is not going to be pretty, not going to be easy, and that’s assuming it’s even possible.

Midas on January 17, 2014 at 11:06 AM

No one is madder than I am.

John the Libertarian on January 17, 2014 at 11:07 AM

Nothing but yet another little distraction from ObamaGlitch.

Meople on January 17, 2014 at 10:59 AM

The traction from Bridgegate was waning, so here’s the next distraction.

conservative pilgrim on January 17, 2014 at 11:07 AM

8 minutes late already………but he’s serious this time. f’ing joke of a human being.

VegasRick on January 17, 2014 at 11:08 AM

Rooting for Scanners moment. Plox don’t disappoint!

Murphy9 on January 17, 2014 at 11:10 AM

Oh, sort of like when Turdboy implemented the “major reforms” that expanded the NSA in the first place?

Pork-Chop on January 17, 2014 at 11:12 AM

More meaningless trivia and useless moving of the deck chairs.

rplat on January 17, 2014 at 11:14 AM

“Not a fingah!”

Akzed on January 17, 2014 at 11:01 AM

“Fra-gi-le”

Bitter Clinger on January 17, 2014 at 11:15 AM

History lesson

cmsinaz on January 17, 2014 at 11:16 AM

I was going to say 1120. Any bets?

Off by 3 minutes.

Mike Morrissey on January 17, 2014 at 11:16 AM

OMG! The Founding Fathers started this!

VegasRick on January 17, 2014 at 11:16 AM

If the NSA wasn’t doing anything wrong why the need for reforms?

davidk on January 17, 2014 at 11:17 AM

From the man who bashed w re: this issue in 08

cmsinaz on January 17, 2014 at 11:17 AM

Blame Bush!

annoyinglittletwerp on January 17, 2014 at 11:18 AM

well….well….it’s a MAJOR AWARD….!

ted c on January 17, 2014 at 11:20 AM

We demanded….. whose we kimosabe…… you who was outraged at W

cmsinaz on January 17, 2014 at 11:20 AM

Six minutes in and the rotten bastard is still lecturing about past history- the “if it was good enough for the Sons of Liberty to spy then it’s good enough for this Kenyan farmboy!”

Happy Nomad on January 17, 2014 at 11:22 AM

Bush!!!!!!!!!!

cmsinaz on January 17, 2014 at 11:22 AM

I’m listening but… it is excruciating. Every word tears at the brain cells.

jffree1 on January 17, 2014 at 11:22 AM

So only the bad things happened under W watch nothing bad happened since he took office

cmsinaz on January 17, 2014 at 11:23 AM

I’m listening but… it is excruciating. Every word tears at the brain cells.

jffree1 on January 17, 2014 at 11:22 AM

You might want to pace yourself if you haven’t been in training by watching MSNBC.

Happy Nomad on January 17, 2014 at 11:24 AM

For real, he blamed Bush?

Murphy9 on January 17, 2014 at 11:24 AM

So only the bad things happened under W watch nothing bad happened since he took office

cmsinaz on January 17, 2014 at 11:23 AM

The Underwear Bomber is indignant.

Bitter Clinger on January 17, 2014 at 11:25 AM

He expanded Ws policies but only bad things occurred before he took over

What a croc

cmsinaz on January 17, 2014 at 11:25 AM

“Fra-gi-le”

Bitter Clinger on January 17, 2014 at 11:15 AM

That must be Austrian.

CurtZHP on January 17, 2014 at 11:26 AM

Unstinkingbelievable

cmsinaz on January 17, 2014 at 11:26 AM

“Not a fingah!”

Akzed on January 17, 2014 at 11:01 AM
“Fra-gi-le”

Bitter Clinger on January 17, 2014 at 11:15 AM

“Ohhhh…F-UUUU-DGE”

texasmagnolia on January 17, 2014 at 11:27 AM

Snowden “misshaped the debate“

Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha

from the Soviet Cheka, to Adolf Hitler’s SS and Brownshirts, to Benito Mussolini’s Organization for Vigilance and Repression of Anti-Fascism (OVRA), to the German Stasi, to Mao Zedong’s Central Security Bureau, etc. In the United States, the culture of surveillance and intrusion has (for now) taken a more subtle approach through the use of technology.

We do not yet have agents physically rummaging through all our homes and asking for our papers (though we are not far away from this). Rather, we have the National Security Agency, which rummages through our electronic communications while using our own computer cameras and cellphones to watch us, listen to us and track us. All of this, mind you, is done on a massive scale without warrant.

Our government now uses secret evidence to charge citizens with crimes they are not allowed to discuss with the public on the argument that to do so would “threaten national security.”That’s right; the government can arrest you or assassinate you based on evidence they never have to disclose to you, your family, your lawyer or the citizenry.

In the U.S. today, the kind of establishment terror Kafka imagined is indeed a reality. We are not on the verge of a total surveillance state, WE ARE THERE.

roflmmfao

donabernathy on January 17, 2014 at 11:27 AM

So only the bad things happened under W watch nothing bad happened since he took office

cmsinaz on January 17, 2014 at 11:23 AM

He’s trying to make the claim that all this ignoring of our civil rights have made us safer or something. Even though he can not point to a single attempted terror attack that was foiled as a result of data mining.

Getting John Roberts to endorse Obamacare, creation of the OFA database, and getting David Patreus to shut up……. Well the the intelligence community has their uses.

Happy Nomad on January 17, 2014 at 11:27 AM

The Underwear Bomber is indignant.

Bitter Clinger on January 17, 2014 at 11:25 AM

Speed bump and his brother are going to be pissed. Oh, maybe just the brother.

VegasRick on January 17, 2014 at 11:28 AM

How DARE you criticize President Obama.
What a bunch of racist y’all are!
*Do I really need to…*

annoyinglittletwerp on January 17, 2014 at 11:28 AM

Wow, after the success of healthcare.gov, I really believe in my government.

John the Libertarian on January 17, 2014 at 11:28 AM

He’s making a lot of sense. Too bad he’s a proven serial liar.

Little Boomer on January 17, 2014 at 11:29 AM

Yepper HN

cmsinaz on January 17, 2014 at 11:29 AM

The Chauncey Gardiner Presidency

Walter L. Newton on January 17, 2014 at 11:29 AM

“When mistakes are made, they correct those mistakes”

Right! Has the IRS been “corrected” in their offensive campaign against conservatives? And if you like it you and “correctly” keep it.

Rovin on January 17, 2014 at 11:30 AM

He spoke like a leader
-lsm talking points afterwards

cmsinaz on January 17, 2014 at 11:30 AM

Too bad he’s a proven serial liar.

Little Boomer on January 17, 2014 at 11:29 AM

I was gonna say, great speech! James Rosen, IRS persecuting conservatives, etc.

John the Libertarian on January 17, 2014 at 11:30 AM

Throwing Merkel under the bus?

cmsinaz on January 17, 2014 at 11:34 AM

Speed bump and his brother are going to be pissed. Oh, maybe just the brother.

VegasRick on January 17, 2014 at 11:28 AM

Donchaknow, Speed Bump was mentally ill, not a terrorist.

(So they say.)

Bitter Clinger on January 17, 2014 at 11:34 AM

“We can not prevent terrorist attacks, (without the NSA’s capabilities)”

Wait! What Barry? You mean al Qaeda’s not on the run? Do you mean like the terrorist attack in Benghazi?

Rovin on January 17, 2014 at 11:34 AM

That must be Austrian.

CurtZHP on January 17, 2014 at 11:26 AM

Austrian with an Italian dialect.

Bitter Clinger on January 17, 2014 at 11:35 AM

“Not a fingah!”

Akzed on January 17, 2014 at 11:01 AM

“Fra-gi-le”

Bitter Clinger on January 17, 2014 at 11:15 AM

“Ohhhh…F-UUUU-DGE”

texasmagnolia on January 17, 2014 at 11:27 AM

How’s the Lifeboy?

Bitter Clinger on January 17, 2014 at 11:37 AM

+1′rovin :)

cmsinaz on January 17, 2014 at 11:38 AM

The rotten bastard is essentially claiming that they can provide themselves adequate oversight.

Happy Nomad on January 17, 2014 at 11:41 AM

He really thinks people are stupid.
Mimzey on January 17, 2014 at 10:53 AM

He was elected to the Senate and as POTUS twice so I suspect that he knows for sure people are stupid.

Dr. Frank Enstine on January 17, 2014 at 11:43 AM

I refuse to listen to him, but since my husband is half deaf I still get the echo’s from his TV even with my office door closed. No escape.

Barred on January 17, 2014 at 11:44 AM

How much longer is the American Public going to allow the fox to guard the henhouse?

Rovin on January 17, 2014 at 11:45 AM

Obama uses the example of needing to be able to respond quickly if a bomb goes off in an American city…….

How’d that work out in Boston you filthy rat-eared parasite?

Happy Nomad on January 17, 2014 at 11:45 AM

I just hate when he uses that conspiratorial (whisper-y) “I’m sharing a secret and you can trust me” phony earnestness.

jffree1 on January 17, 2014 at 11:47 AM

Snowden “misshaped the debate“

donabernathy on January 17, 2014 at 11:27 AM

“It’s not my fault.”

davidk on January 17, 2014 at 11:47 AM

His narcisistic, elitist personality is dominating his speech as he thought us stupid and in need of a history lesson and has to explain to us why nations gather information on others.

Now he is justifying his administration’s actions, the criminal data collection, that violate the Constitution.

“The people collecting your data are your neighbors & friends…”

“Businesses already spy on you and use your info…but everyone understands the govt must have higher standards.” — Umm, No, I don’t think EVERYONE understands that, you fascist!

“I have a pproved a new Presidential directive…”?! Ummm, you mean you just issued a new edict.

“Our actions will be monitored by my own hand-picked security team’…yeah, like you had one of your donors investicae your use/abuse of the IRS targeting Conservatives.

Not once has this SOB declared that he will wnsure the CONSTITUTION is OBEYED. Why is that?

I will, the NSA will, we can, we should, ….. No mention of the Constitution.

“We can and we should be more transparent..” – Notice he did not say “We WILL…”

We are not listening to your calls or actually reading any of your text messages unless we feel there is a need to later. (Like if you need some dirt on a GOP House member or Senator or on a Supreme Court Justice…)

I am ordering a change…

We want to have the same Metadata collection to occur, the same personal phone calls & text messages be collected, but just not directly by the government. Blah, blah, blah…

easyt65 on January 17, 2014 at 11:49 AM

He whistles when he is really disfiguring the truth. Just an observation… a really obvious tell.

jffree1 on January 17, 2014 at 11:50 AM

Let’s remember something else here. For all the claims of this spying on Americans being necessary it has not stopped a single terror attack.

Happy Nomad on January 17, 2014 at 11:03 AM

They couldn’t even stop the Tsarnaev brothers from blowing the legs off hundreds of Boston marathon fans even after the KGB warned us about them!

Steve Z on January 17, 2014 at 11:51 AM

His national security team probably doesn’t listen to him any more than we do. Just sayin’…

jffree1 on January 17, 2014 at 11:53 AM

Six minutes in and the rotten bastard is still lecturing about past history- the “if it was good enough for the Sons of Liberty to spy then it’s good enough for this Kenyan farmboy!”

Happy Nomad on January 17, 2014 at 11:22 AM

So the American people=the enemy (the British)? So, we see another glimpse behind the curtain of Team Obama.

conservative pilgrim on January 17, 2014 at 11:53 AM

Yeah he’s going to work with Congress

Heard that on before

cmsinaz on January 17, 2014 at 11:56 AM

So the American people=the enemy (the British)? So, we see another glimpse behind the curtain of Team Obama.

conservative pilgrim on January 17, 2014 at 11:53 AM

Yeah, pretty much.

Happy Nomad on January 17, 2014 at 11:56 AM

Yeah he’s going to work with Congress

Heard that on before

cmsinaz on January 17, 2014 at 11:56 AM

Yeah, the probability of that is about the same as a successful gay pride parade in Nigeria.

Happy Nomad on January 17, 2014 at 11:57 AM

Best speech he’s ever given. Too bad I don’t believe a single word from his mouth.

John the Libertarian on January 17, 2014 at 11:58 AM

“May God bless the United States.”

We are going to need it.

VegasRick on January 17, 2014 at 11:59 AM

I’m quite sure the first time he heard about the NSA metadata collecting was in a newspaper.

Walter L. Newton on January 17, 2014 at 12:00 PM

http://bfcn.org/live/index.php/sermons/viewcategory/9-2011-sermons

At the bottom: A Romon [sic] Road Trip: Mile 1

Where sauerkraut et al are.

davidk on January 17, 2014 at 12:10 PM

How much longer is the American Public going to allow the fox to guard the henhouse?

Rovin on January 17, 2014 at 11:45 AM

Fox? Fox News? What does the fox say? Megan Fox? Those three foxes are about all Americans care about.

Oh, and GO, NINERS!

Christien on January 17, 2014 at 12:10 PM

“Ohhhh…F-UUUU-DGE” texasmagnolia on January 17, 2014 at 11:27 AM

That’s OT. Stick to the lamp.

For instance, “Get the glue….”

Or a little obscure (but not really since it helped him win complete the crossword puzzle and win the major award): “What is the name of the Lone Ranger’s nephew’s horse?”

And of course the irony is that mom gave the old man the answer, which led to his victory, the further irony being that the horse’s name was Victor, foreshadowing “I won! I won!”

Akzed on January 17, 2014 at 12:20 PM

Oh, and GO, NINERS!

Christien on January 17, 2014 at 12:10 PM

OH YEAH!!!!

One final note: Just how well/effective has any government over-site put any of Obama’s programs/assaults in check over the past five years? Example: His knowledge of Fast and Furious alone should have got him either impeached or severely disciplined.

Rovin on January 17, 2014 at 12:22 PM

Happy Nomad on January 17, 2014 at 11:57 AM

indeed

cmsinaz on January 17, 2014 at 12:23 PM

Rovin on January 17, 2014 at 12:22 PM

Clinton must chuckle every day over the fact that he was impeached over suborning perjury, given what Obama gets away with because he is America’s second black president.

As for the game. Crush your enemies. See them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their 1/12 Man, 11/12 Mouth.

Christien on January 17, 2014 at 12:34 PM

Oh, and GO, NINERS!

Christien on January 17, 2014 at 12:10 PM

You may want to listen to Rush Limbaugh’s show towards the end today-he just said he’ll be doing his annual NFL Championship Game predictions. He’ll be doing them in memory of his old friend “The Hutch” (Ken Hutcherson, former linebacker with the Cowboys and Chargers), who died last month after a 15 year battle with cancer.

Hutch used to call into Rush’s show and they would exchange predictions, and Hutch also officiated at his wedding.

Del Dolemonte on January 17, 2014 at 12:37 PM

So… he says that the NSA is not going to store that data? Then what is the NSA going to do with that billion dollar server farm they just finished building and staffing in Utah? use it to open an auction site?

Bull crap.

Walter L. Newton on January 17, 2014 at 12:41 PM

He will lie.

Mason on January 17, 2014 at 12:41 PM

Everyone is nailing the problem on the head without even realizing it…

Obama IS calling for HOW the information is collected and store…NOT calling for the Un-Constitutional collection of every Americans’ phone calls, text messages, etc to STOP!

In Obama’s speech he admits people’s data is being collected but argues it is not being looked at – only STORED. In the next breath he says IF NEEDED that information would be read later. Again, what is his definition of ‘needed’? Does he mean if he wants, lets say, Chief Justice Roberts to change the government’s argument before the USSC and to re-write Obamacare to save it you allow your ‘security personnel’ to go through all his private information to find dirt on him to help ‘encourage him’ to help Obama out?

Obama also declares no person’s information has been stolen & used illegally from the Obamacare site…yet every expert say it is 100% UN-SECURED, that criminals WILL get their hands on the information, and criminals will illegally use that information. No matter what Obama says, th government WILL use that data for their own personal use — we saw it with the abuse of the IRS targeting Obama’s personal political enemies (who are still being punished – many still do not have their tax exempt statuses’.

easyt65 on January 17, 2014 at 12:51 PM

Obama said no one wants a repeat of 9/11/01, insinuating that 9/11/01 occurred because of a lack of information.

How appropriate that he mentioned 9/11/01!
- JUST LIKE THE BENGHAZI ATTACK ON 9/11/12, the 9/11/01 attack dod NOT occur because they did not have the Intel ahead of time. The Senate report just released on the Benghazi investigation said the same problem of different agencies NOT SHARING INFO that allowed 9/11/01 to occur was repeated on 9/11/12. The recommendations made after 9/11/01 were not fully implremented, obviously to include the information sharing problem. If anything all they did was create yet another layer of beauocracy which got in the way again on 9/11/12.

No one has been able to present 1 specific event / occurence of any of this information being collected actually stopping a terrorist attack or criminal activity! They keep saying it can / it will but can’t say ‘it HAS’.

Obama’s entire justification for continuing to mine all this info is based on ‘it can…it will’ without any specific example of ‘it has’. Can you trust Obama/this administration with your personal info?

In regards to Obamacare, Democrats have rejectd every effort to require them to inform you if your personal info, once put on the Obamacare web site, is ever stolen by hackers if they discover that has happened. They don’t want YOU to know that THEY allowed your info to be stolen so YOU can’t blame THEM! By doing so, they ard emonstrating they don’t give a d@mn about YOU but rather it’s all about THEM!

So good luck with allowing someone like that to continue to collect every bit of personal information about you & every communication you make. They have already (and continue to) use the IRS to target American citizens. There is a reason the Founding Fathers wrote the Constitution and made it illegal for such Presidents / governments from doing these things.

easyt65 on January 17, 2014 at 1:15 PM

He really thinks people are stupid.

Mimzey on January 17, 2014 at 10:53 AM

What do you think? He was elected president twice by “people”.

Oldnuke on January 17, 2014 at 1:58 PM

“Ohhhh…F-UUUU-DGE” texasmagnolia on January 17, 2014 at 11:27 AM
That’s OT. Stick to the lamp.

For instance, “Get the glue….”

Or a little obscure (but not really since it helped him win complete the crossword puzzle and win the major award): “What is the name of the Lone Ranger’s nephew’s horse?”

And of course the irony is that mom gave the old man the answer, which led to his victory, the further irony being that the horse’s name was Victor, foreshadowing “I won! I won!”

Akzed on January 17, 2014 at 12:20 PM

To which we all said

“Ohhhh…F-UUUU-DGE” texasmagnolia on January 17, 2014 at 11:27 AM

So not quite as OT as you might think…..

texasmagnolia on January 17, 2014 at 2:38 PM

Looking through the window to the outside looks like the lamp was delivered to the wrong address on thirtieth floor of a Any-town USA apartment , in a time machine.

Whiterock on January 17, 2014 at 2:48 PM

In the President’s world, the BB Gun would be banned

Whiterock on January 17, 2014 at 2:53 PM

And that better be a CFL in that lamp.

Whiterock on January 17, 2014 at 2:55 PM

Old Man: “Mind Power.”

SSSOSS: Mein“Power.”

1244 on January 17, 2014 at 2:59 PM