American spies: Snowden deserves to die

posted at 4:01 pm on January 17, 2014 by Allahpundit

And when they say he deserves to die, they don’t mean due process, a treason conviction, and lethal injection. (He hasn’t been charged with treason.) They mean a jab from an umbrella tip laced with Polonium on a busy Moscow street when he’s not looking.

“In a world where I would not be restricted from killing an American, I personally would go and kill him myself,” a current NSA analyst told BuzzFeed. “A lot of people share this sentiment.”

“I would love to put a bullet in his head,” one Pentagon official, a former special forces officer, said bluntly. “I do not take pleasure in taking another human beings life, having to do it in uniform, but he is single-handedly the greatest traitor in American history.”…

“His name is cursed every day over here,” a defense contractor told BuzzFeed, speaking from an overseas intelligence collections base. “Most everyone I talk to says he needs to be tried and hung, forget the trial and just hang him.”…

“I think if we had the chance, we would end it very quickly,” [an Army intelligence officer] said. “Just casually walking on the streets of Moscow, coming back from buying his groceries. Going back to his flat and he is casually poked by a passerby. He thinks nothing of it at the time starts to feel a little woozy and thinks it’s a parasite from the local water. He goes home very innocently and next thing you know he dies in the shower.”

Two questions. One, via Andy Levy:

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Snowden’s argument all along is that he had no choice but to go on the lam abroad. If he’d stayed and tried to follow proper whistleblower procedure, he’d have been punished severely. Intelligence officers fantasizing in print about killing him only proves the point. Pro tip: If your nemesis is busy trying to convince people that the security state has turned sinister, you might want to go light on the “it’d be awesome to shoot him in the face” talking points.

Two: How does a story like this get put together? “Hi, I’m from BuzzFeed. I’m wondering: Have you ever daydreamed about assassinating Edward Snowden?” “Boy, have I! Let me tell you in detail.” What?

Make sure to read the whole BF post, though, not just the excerpt. Near the end, Benny Johnson quotes intel officials who say some of the bad guys have stopped using the telecom platforms exposed by Snowden and even that some of the NSA’s sources in the field have become “useless” since the leaks began. That’s a predictable result from a massive intelligence breach: If your name’s on a list of American informants and suddenly there’s reason to believe that list has gotten loose, you have good reasons to rethink the relationship. Makes me wonder what would happen if Snowden’s maybe-mythical-maybe-not “doomsday” trove of encrypted NSA documents ended up being published online somehow. Supposedly, Snowden’s uploaded the documents to various servers and arranged it so that several confidants would receive a password to decrypt them if something were to happen to him. It’s his insurance policy against exactly the sort of assassination scenario imagined in the BuzzFeed piece. (It also seems, perversely, like an assassination incentive for enemy governments. If China, say, knows that U.S. intelligence will be blamed if Snowden turns up dead and that his death will trigger the leaking of the NSA’s most sensitive secrets, why wouldn’t they take him out?) No one knows what’s in the “doomsday” trove but Jack Goldsmith hears that most of the 1.7 million documents stolen by Snowden relate to U.S. military operations. It may be that he’s prepared to compromise American troops all over the world as revenge if any harm comes to him. Even if harm doesn’t come to him, who knows what foreign intel agencies are capable of now in turns of bleeding-edge decryption technology. Maybe they’ll find the “doomsday” trove and unveil it themselves.

Exit question: Why hasn’t U.S. intel surreptitiously leaked details about other nations’ own dubious surveillance practices? If you want to put Snowden on the defensive without physically harming him while re-focusing outrage abroad at people’s own governments, feeding a few reporters info about what his good friends in Russia and Brazil are up to is one place to start.


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Wonder what party all these ‘spies’ vote for?

Lanceman on January 17, 2014 at 4:05 PM

I still can’t get past the hipster glasses and the Don Johnson 3 day old growth of beard.

/I have the look, and I betrayed my country. I’m the total package.

Paul-Cincy on January 17, 2014 at 4:06 PM

From the men that swore an oath to defend the Constitution, then turned around and actively worked to violate it. Daily.

2lbsTest on January 17, 2014 at 4:10 PM

Get to it.

Murphy9 on January 17, 2014 at 4:17 PM

Odds on Putin having Snowden light the Olympic torch in Sochi?

I’m thinking it’s getting more likely. Obama sends Billie Jean King; Putin counters with Snowden.

kcewa on January 17, 2014 at 4:18 PM

BuzzFeed?

“23 Ways We’d like to Kill Snowden” then pictures of semi related stuff with ads every three clicks

DanMan on January 17, 2014 at 4:20 PM

I wish the people who want to kill Snowden success, but I do oppose them if they intend to kill him in anyway that isn’t sufficiently painful.

thuja on January 17, 2014 at 4:20 PM

I bet about 2/3 of the HotAiryans who call themselves conservatives would be glad to kill him themselves too.
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And half of the remainder would be glad if someone else did it, but are too squeamish to do it themselves.

LegendHasIt on January 17, 2014 at 4:21 PM

I still can’t get past the hipster glasses and the Don Johnson 3 day old growth of beard.

/I have the look, and I betrayed my country. I’m the total package.

Paul-Cincy on January 17, 2014 at 4:06 PM

I thought it was just that “Euro Trash” look a lot of 20-40 something elites think looks really cool and intelligent.

I use to generally have a two or three day growth but I was given a straight razor for Xmas and I’m having a ball shaving everyday with it.

Dr. Frank Enstine on January 17, 2014 at 4:21 PM

Snowden’s argument all along is that he had no choice but to go on the lam abroad. If he’d stayed and tried to follow proper whistleblower procedure

Few can name the other NSA whistle-blowers that DID use the official process because they had no proof and the government smothered their stories.

The bureaucrats design the “official” whistle-blower process so that they CAN smother their stories. The machine acts in self defense.

Snowden exposed the criminal activity of our government. He is not a traitor, except to the criminals. And my, don’t they talk like jack booted thugs?

dogsoldier on January 17, 2014 at 4:23 PM

Funny, I’m a bit keen on some bureaucrats in nooses.

Jeddite on January 17, 2014 at 4:23 PM

It’s a pity Bilbo didn’t kill him.

Pity? It was pity that stayed Bilbo’s hand.

Christien on January 17, 2014 at 4:24 PM

Exit question: Why hasn’t U.S. intel surreptitiously leaked details about other nations’ own dubious surveillance practices? If you want to put Snowden on the defensive without physically harming him while re-focusing outrage abroad at people’s own governments, feeding a few reporters info about what his good friends in Russia and Brazil are up to is one place to start.

Because the president/administration/secretaries of whatever appointed by dear leader believe that the United States is the great satan and we don’t deserve to defend ourselves!?

RovesChins on January 17, 2014 at 4:24 PM

From the men that swore an oath to defend the Constitution, then turned around and actively worked to violate it. Daily.

2lbsTest on January 17, 2014 at 4:10 PM

Well I do think in that oath there is a little bit about protecting from domestic enemies. Then there is the definition of who you are protecting. From evidence at hand I assume that the enemies are the citizens of this country and the ones being protected are a certain number of government types.

Dr. Frank Enstine on January 17, 2014 at 4:25 PM

LegendHasIt on January 17, 2014 at 4:21 PM

If the president admits what the NSA does is wrong, doesn’t that mean Snowden was correct? Without stealing proof Obama and the clown posse would have painted him as a crackpot. Game over.

dogsoldier on January 17, 2014 at 4:27 PM

dogsoldier on January 17, 2014 at 4:23 PM

I’ve been asking all along where the line between traitor and whistle-blower is. I guess the fact that he did not use the proper channels makes him a traitor to many people. If he had used the correct process and the info did get out; I wonder if the same people calling him a traitor would be calling him a hero.

Dr. Frank Enstine on January 17, 2014 at 4:28 PM

LegendHasIt on January 17, 2014 at 4:21 PM

Which half are you in?

Dr. Frank Enstine on January 17, 2014 at 4:31 PM

With the actions of Snowden, I have a hard time seeing him as a whistle blower. I don’t see that a whistle blower needs a huge cache of documents held by the wikileaks guys to protect his life.

He’ll end up dead eventually, and it will look like a suicide.

He’ll end up another bullet point on Alex Jones’s conspiracy site.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on January 17, 2014 at 4:32 PM

Pro tip: If your nemesis is busy trying to convince people that the security state has turned sinister, you might want to go light on the “it’d be awesome to shoot him in the face” talking points.

That was pretty creepy.

magicbeans on January 17, 2014 at 4:33 PM

If I had my way, people who violate the Constitution or advocate violating the constitution would be the ones to suffer the fate they seem to be willing to hand out.

Wendya on January 17, 2014 at 4:33 PM

Best solution I’ve heard… prosecute him to the absolute fullest extent of the law.

And then pardon him.

Sarjex on January 17, 2014 at 4:33 PM

“In a world where I would not be restricted from killing an American, I personally would go and kill him myself,” a current NSA analyst told BuzzFeed.

I have no problem with someone offing Snowden abroad. He is a traitor, though he also exposed traitors in the government. They should all get put down, together. You know the old Kissinger line, “It’s a shame they both can’t lose.”

As to this NSA dude … an NSA analyst is not a spy and probably wouldn’t have a clue about how to kill anyone. Secondly, he IS restricted from spying on innocent Americans … so, I guess he dreams about killing himself, too. Go for it.

If Snowden – the Barky supporter, which is is traitor strike One against him – had only released info concerning the NSA spying on innocent Americans (and done so appropriately) then that would be one thing. He didn’t. He included releasing the legitimate work that the NSA does.

Near the end, Benny Johnson quotes intel officials who say some of the bad guys have stopped using the telecom platforms exposed by Snowden and even that some of the NSA’s sources in the field have become “useless” since the leaks began.

So … why didn’t they ask these same douchebags about how they would deal with the editors and reporters at the NYSlimes and WaPo, who did the same thing? One of Bush’s many mistakes was not to prosecute those treasonous rags when they published truly sensitive national security info (moreso than the Snowden data, even). Meanwhile, Bush was scared to do that but the traitorous retard, Barky, had no problem accusing reporters of “espionage” in official legal documents just because they were investigating Barky and his junta’s anti-American actions and general fvck-ups. Yep … Pathetic.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 17, 2014 at 4:34 PM

Exit question: Why hasn’t U.S. intel surreptitiously leaked details about other nations’ own dubious surveillance practices?

Because most of those other nations don’t give 2 shits about their citizens privacy.

nobar on January 17, 2014 at 4:34 PM

I wish the people who want to kill Snowden success, but I do oppose them if they intend to kill him in anyway that isn’t sufficiently painful.

thuja on January 17, 2014 at 4:20 PM

Like all those aborted babies.

RovesChins on January 17, 2014 at 4:34 PM

If the president admits what the NSA does is wrong, doesn’t that mean Snowden was correct? Without stealing proof Obama and the clown posse would have painted him as a crackpot. Game over.

dogsoldier on January 17, 2014 at 4:27 PM

Actually, the story was already out about the NSA spying on Americans, even before Snowden. It was the House GOP’s job (and the morons in the Senate, somewhat) to get to the bottom of that. But they didn’t even try. Even after Snowden’s info (including info that seriously harmed us abroad, which Snowden had no reason to even think of gathering or releasing) the House isn’t doing squat, anyway.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 17, 2014 at 4:36 PM

Pro tip: If your nemesis is busy trying to convince people that the security state has turned sinister, you might want to go light on the “it’d be awesome to shoot him in the face” talking points.

Not a recent development. The poison umbrella is 60′s Bond. Mr. Snowden would have been no safer in the 50′s than he is today. Georgi Markov was poisoned in London on 7 September 1978, in broad daylight, by intelligent agents. The intelligence business hasn’t suddenly become dangerous.

As for Snowden, his actions were taken without any regard for loss of life. What’s good for the goose… blah blah.

No comment on the morality in either direction, only that it does run in both directions. Also agreed that, if his death would trigger the release of everything, he’s in at least as much danger from others as he is from anyone associated with the West.

IndieDogg on January 17, 2014 at 4:37 PM

They better hope he lives a long, healthy life. We are trying to cut a deal with this guy, and their snuff fantasies aren’t helpful in the least.

Christien on January 17, 2014 at 4:37 PM

How does a story like this get put together?

A Soros hack in a basement somewhere wrote it for BuzzFeed ?

burrata on January 17, 2014 at 4:40 PM

I don’t see that a whistle blower needs a huge cache of documents held by the wikileaks guys to protect his life.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on January 17, 2014 at 4:32 PM

Perhaps the title of this post could provide a clue as to why.

DarkCurrent on January 17, 2014 at 4:42 PM

Former Top NSA Official: “We Are Now In A Police State”

32-year NSA Veteran Who Created Mass Surveillance System Says Government Use of Data Gathered Through Spying “Is a Totalitarian Process”

Damn that Snowdon! Look what he exposed! Now we have to deal with it! Now we gotta save our phony baloney jobs!

Akzed on January 17, 2014 at 4:43 PM

So the people secretly creating the largest, most invasive and comprehensive surveillance society in the history of human kind, in violation of our Constitution…..want to murder the guy who was forced to leave his life behind to expose this outrage?

But we are supposed to trust them because “shut up”!?!?!?!?

KMC1 on January 17, 2014 at 4:45 PM

Why hasn’t U.S. intel surreptitiously leaked details about other nations’ own dubious surveillance practices?

because the US intel is busy victimizing American grandmas with American flags singing God Bless America , inside the US ?

burrata on January 17, 2014 at 4:45 PM

Which half are you in?
Dr. Frank Enstine on January 17, 2014 at 4:31 PM

I’m in neither. I’m awaiting actual knowledge of what Snowden has done with whatever other information he possessed. To me he is neither traitor nor hero, YET. Potentially he is either, neither, or both.

What we DO know he has exposed seems to be for the good of American Society overall, even if it did hurt our rulers by exposing them for what they are to our allies and our enemies.

We’ll See.

LegendHasIt on January 17, 2014 at 4:47 PM

Snowden’s argument all along is that he had no choice but to go on the lam abroad. If he’d stayed and tried to follow proper whistleblower procedure

Few can name the other NSA whistle-blowers that DID use the official process because they had no proof and the government smothered their stories.

The bureaucrats design the “official” whistle-blower process so that they CAN smother their stories. The machine acts in self defense.

Snowden exposed the criminal activity of our government. He is not a traitor, except to the criminals. And my, don’t they talk like jack booted thugs?

dogsoldier on January 17, 2014 at 4:23 PM

Besides that, AP is incorrect about there even being a “proper whistleblower procedure” – at least in regard to Snowden. That protection only extends to government employees, not outside private contractors.

whatcat on January 17, 2014 at 4:50 PM

You didn’t Snowden to expose the TSA groping Americans for no reason, at all, or moving far out of their “base” at the airports to grope Americans in the interior. Snowden wasn’t required for anyone to know how out-of-control the feral government and others are when they brought the thousands of jackbooted, incompetent thugs in to tie down Boston while they shot at everything in sight and STILL couldn’t catch the bombers – not to mention the failure by the “intelligence” agencies in not being able to stop that and not even being able to stop one of the Tsarnaev’s from being naturalized. Snowden wasn’t necessary to expose Barky issuing un-Constitutional dictats from the Oval Office about … everything and abusing power like it was going out of style, even as he demonstrated his mind-boggling ineptitude and incomptence at everything … but he was still re-elected by the brain-dead America-haters who infest this nation. BTW, Snowden liked Barky so he falls in with that group of douchebags.

Snowden didn’t reveal much that wasn’t already known by all, but still nothing has been done about any of that. All we got afterwards was an attack on Americans’ 2nd amendment rights … over and over and over.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 17, 2014 at 4:53 PM

But they’ll turn a blind eye to their own support of AQ. Sick.

Christien on January 17, 2014 at 4:53 PM

They should blame themselves and the Obama administration for illegally spying on US citizens in the United States without a warrant. If not for that, Snowden may not of leaked other actual harmful information, or the means by which such illegal surveillance was being conducted (which of course is probably the same as the means used for their legitimate surveillance of foreigners). Then again, maybe he would have – he does appear to be a bit of an narcissist.

besser tot als rot on January 17, 2014 at 4:54 PM

NEVER before has a nation survived as a beacon of FREEDOM and hope for it’s people.

The USA is no different, because people that RULE OVER US are no different. Oh they might wear suits and ties but mankind always wants to dominate the lesser.

We are in the early stages of a high tech version of Rome and Greece and all the others.

Think Sodom and Gomorrah with really good cell coverage.

Get ready……Snowden is just the beginning.

PappyD61 on January 17, 2014 at 4:55 PM

“We don’t have time for this.” *blammo*

Christien on January 17, 2014 at 4:57 PM

Had Snowden only leaked information on the NSA’s activities in the US, hed be a sympathetic character. Although what he did would have been illegal, it would have gone with the spirit of the law.

Snowdens theft of information on the NSA’s collection of information overseas crosses a line. Its not illegal and its exactly what our intel agencies are paid to do: spy on foreigners and gather intelligence not available through public channels.

Compromising intelligence agents, friendlies who work with our intelligence agencies and operations crosses the line from illegal but noble leaking to traitorous.

Given that multiple individuals who have shown complete animosity towards the US (Greenwald, Poitras, etcetera) now have full access to this material and that Russia and China also have access to this material .. I would throw a ticker tape parade for anyone who put a bullet in his head.

DJ Rick on January 17, 2014 at 4:57 PM

They better hope he lives a long, healthy life. We are trying to cut a deal with this guy, and their snuff fantasies aren’t helpful in the least.
Christien on January 17, 2014 at 4:37 PM

I don’t see why offing him would be something the US would want to do, even setting aside the incredibly bad optics. I can’t imagine him having a photographic memory of the massive amount of info which would be released anyway if he were terminated with extreme prejudice.

whatcat on January 17, 2014 at 4:57 PM

KMC1 on January 17, 2014 at 4:45 PM

My thoughts as well. And I would like to add that we still hear this indiscriminant gathering of data on every American and his/her dog was of very dubious effectiveness as a primary means of uncovering terrorist activity. It is sure pretty good though in finding out what your ex is up to. I think some of these spooks are PO’d because they were getting some thrills listening in on American’s private lives and now they may not be able to do that anymore.

DaveDief on January 17, 2014 at 4:58 PM

“In a world where I would not be restricted from killing an American, I personally would go and kill him myself,” a current NSA analyst told BuzzFeed. “A lot of people share this sentiment.”

…and this is the reason NSA needs to be eliminated. Obviously these people are -NOT- my neighbor as liar-in-chief says.

TX-96 on January 17, 2014 at 5:00 PM

Exit question: Why hasn’t U.S. intel surreptitiously leaked details about other nations’ own dubious surveillance practices?

Because Barky openly reveals enough sensitive info about our traditional allies in the press to do the requisite damage. Other than that, Barky wants there to remain a high level of animosity between us and our traditional allies, so that his anti-Western buddies can gain even more of an upper hand.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 17, 2014 at 5:00 PM

“I would love to put a bullet in his head,”

I’d like to shoot him in the butt with a bb gun.

novaculus on January 17, 2014 at 5:01 PM

Snowden’s argument all along is that he had no choice but to go on the lam abroad.

Do they want to kill him because he blew the whistle on NSA surveillance or because he went on a shopping spree with god knows what other intelligence to Russia and China, Allah? Isnt the latter what makes him a “traitor” or am I missing something? Doesnt that mean that he severely worsened a potential punishment by going abroad?

Valkyriepundit on January 17, 2014 at 5:01 PM

If your name’s on a list of American informants and suddenly there’s reason to believe that list has gotten loose, you have good reasons to rethink the relationship.

Like that Pakistani doctor who found Osama ? I wonder who outed him ?
Or outed the SEAL Team 6 after they killed Osama ?

burrata on January 17, 2014 at 5:03 PM

DJ Rick on January 17, 2014 at 4:57 PM

So, if he followed your advice the NSA and administration said, “So, what?” then what would you rely on to force NSA to change? Public outrage? Your elected officials? The nobility of a limited leak? Or having an ace or three up your sleeve?

Unfortunately, Andrew Breitbart isn’t here to advise us on this one.

Christien on January 17, 2014 at 5:03 PM

“In a world where I would not be restricted from killing an American, I personally would go and kill him myself,” a current NSA analyst told BuzzFeed. “A lot of people share this sentiment.”

Well, we also live in a world where state spying on Americans is illegal without a warrant and the NSA is doing that! Snowden deserves to be killed but NSA employees are not the good guys in this little drama either. The NSA has been turned into the Stasi or NKVD. I have no doubt that the products of their spying has been used by this administration against groups and individuals. I am not advocating it, repeat not advocating it, but I wouldn’t doubt that there are people out there that would love to be able to take out Clapper and Alexander too.

Happy Nomad on January 17, 2014 at 5:05 PM

Or outed the SEAL Team 6 after they killed Osama ?

burrata on January 17, 2014 at 5:03 PM

That was Joe Biden.

Happy Nomad on January 17, 2014 at 5:05 PM

Chillax, America, it’s just your friends and neighbors spying on you, without the friends and neighbors part.

Christien on January 17, 2014 at 5:10 PM

So, if he followed your advice the NSA and administration said, “So, what?” then what would you rely on to force NSA to change? Public outrage? Your elected officials? The nobility of a limited leak? Or having an ace or three up your sleeve?

Unfortunately, Andrew Breitbart isn’t here to advise us on this one.

Christien on January 17, 2014 at 5:03 PM

An ace up my sleeve that could get Americans killed isnt one I would use.

DJ Rick on January 17, 2014 at 5:11 PM

That was Joe Biden.

Happy Nomad on January 17, 2014 at 5:05 PM

Which resulted in the assasination of the SEALS and another term for Hussein and Biden !
I wonder what these NSA dix have to say about that ?

burrata on January 17, 2014 at 5:12 PM

American spies: Snowden deserves to die

“Deserve’s got nothin’ to do with it.”

“In a world where I would not be restricted from killing an American, I personally would go and kill him myself,” a current NSA analyst told BuzzFeed. “A lot of people share this sentiment.”

“It’s a helluva thing, killin’ a man. Take away all he’s got, and all he’s ever gonna have.”

Exit question: Why hasn’t U.S. intel surreptitiously leaked details about other nations’ own dubious surveillance practices?

Incompetence.

rukiddingme on January 17, 2014 at 5:12 PM

“In a world where I would not be restricted from killing an American, I personally would go and kill him myself,” a current NSA analyst told BuzzFeed.

[best Bruce Willis voice]
“Calm down, he said. These are your neighbors.”

http://www.nationaljournal.com/white-house/obama-nsa-reforms-should-give-americans-greater-confidence-20140117

FTA:

While the president recognized the surveillance program has grown in recent years, he also strongly defended those who work in the intelligence community, saying they do not abuse power. “After all,” he said, “the folks at NSA and other intelligence agencies are our neighbors and our friends.”

Am I the only one connecting this stuff? Oh yeah, we can soooo trust those guys.

dogsoldier on January 17, 2014 at 5:17 PM

While the president recognized the surveillance program has grown in recent years, he also strongly defended those who work in the intelligence community, saying they do not abuse power.

Says the guy who abused power worse than anyone in our history and should have been impeached and criminally prosecuted tens of times over, already. Shame on the House GOP for not even trying to deal with this criminal traitor. Shame on the Senate GOP for making any deals with this third-world, retarded America-hater who has never operated in good faith in his whole useless existence.

“After all,” he said, “the folks at NSA and other intelligence agencies are our neighbors and our friends.”

Any friend of Barky’s is an enemy of mine.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 17, 2014 at 5:20 PM

Besides that, AP is incorrect about there even being a “proper whistleblower procedure” – at least in regard to Snowden. That protection only extends to government employees, not outside private contractors.

whatcat on January 17, 2014 at 4:50 PM

Well, he may have been able to file a complaint with the DOJ, in which case the FBI would raid his house, steal his computers, lock him up and fire him.

dogsoldier on January 17, 2014 at 5:21 PM

An ace up my sleeve that could get Americans killed isnt one I would use.

DJ Rick on January 17, 2014 at 5:11 PM

I know that, you know that, but do your “friends and neighbors” know that. I’d still like to hear your plan to rein in NSA and the administration.

Christien on January 17, 2014 at 5:21 PM

I know that, you know that, but do your “friends and neighbors” know that. I’d still like to hear your plan to rein in NSA and the administration.

Christien on January 17, 2014 at 5:21 PM

Well, not that anyone gives a rats rear what I think, but the key is oversight from Congress. Thats is one of their primary functions, oversight of agencies. Maybe that means expanding the House by 100 more members, I don’t know …. but that is the best way to rein this in.

Let me put it this way. I have two brothers currently serving. One is deployed to Afghanistan until Juneish (cant tell us exactly when) and they other is afloat. If anything were to happen to either of them because of this smug little prick, I’d personally fly to Russia and bury a screwdriver in his skull.

He is working with Wikileaks for Christ sake. The same wikileaks that released technical information on the DOD’s anti IED systems they had deployed in Iraq.

DJ Rick on January 17, 2014 at 5:27 PM

Which resulted in the assasination of the SEALS and another term for Hussein and Biden !
I wonder what these NSA dix have to say about that ?

burrata on January 17, 2014 at 5:12 PM

You can’t blame the NSA for this one. It was Biden who killed those SEALs. And should the idiot run for President, this should be hung around his neck as much as Benghazi is going to be hung on Killary.

Happy Nomad on January 17, 2014 at 5:30 PM

“I would love to put a bullet in his head,”

I’d like to shoot him in the butt with a bb gun.

novaculus on January 17, 2014 at 5:01 PM

“The sole purpose of bb guns is to kill people!”

hugs,

nonpartisan

Del Dolemonte on January 17, 2014 at 5:31 PM

Let me put it this way. I have two brothers currently serving. One is deployed to Afghanistan until Juneish (cant tell us exactly when) and they other is afloat. If anything were to happen to either of them because of this smug little prick, I’d personally fly to Russia and bury a screwdriver in his skull.

DJ Rick on January 17, 2014 at 5:27 PM

Forgive me for saying this,
but our men and women in military are more likely to be harmed by Hussein and Killery and Pancetta and their thugs in this regime, than by someone like Snoden.

burrata on January 17, 2014 at 5:32 PM

Which resulted in the assasination of the SEALS and another term for Hussein and Biden !
I wonder what these NSA dix have to say about that ?

burrata on January 17, 2014 at 5:12 PM

You can’t blame the NSA for this one. It was Biden who killed those SEALs. And should the idiot run for President, this should be hung around his neck as much as Benghazi is going to be hung on Killary.

Happy Nomad on January 17, 2014 at 5:30 PM

Individuals within the ANA set them up. As much of a jacka$$ as Biden is, you cant pin this on him. However, if those individuals in the ANA didnt meet an violent, untimely, and painful demise that certainly can be pinned on the administration.

DJ Rick on January 17, 2014 at 5:33 PM

Is he more of a traitor than our secretary of state?

Buddahpundit on January 17, 2014 at 5:39 PM

DJ Rick on January 17, 2014 at 5:27 PM

Bless your brothers. I get where you’re coming from. As for Congressional oversight, I understand but understand that is relying on Top.Men who in turn rely on Top.Men, and it didn’t rein in squat. For the record, you stated you support anyone who kills Snowden–despite the fact that we have zero proof a single American has yet died as a result of the leaks. Snowden shouldn’t play God, and neither should we, IMO. As for wikileaks (or NYT or WaPo for that matter), good point, though I’ve yet to see anyone outline the proper procedures he should’ve followed. Again, bless your brothers, and may they both return safe and sound.

Christien on January 17, 2014 at 5:39 PM

I have no problem with someone offing Snowden abroad. He is a traitor, though he also exposed traitors in the government. They should all get put down, together. You know the old Kissinger line, “It’s a shame they both can’t lose.”

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 17, 2014 at 4:34 PM

You’re not providing a lot of incentive for people who know of government wrongdoing to try to do anything about it.

alchemist19 on January 17, 2014 at 5:39 PM

Be careful about staring into the abyss…because the abyss stares back.

My collie says:

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CyberCipher on January 17, 2014 at 5:40 PM

Is he more of a traitor than our secretary of state?

Buddahpundit on January 17, 2014 at 5:39 PM

Which one ?
Killery or the Ketchup gigolo ?

burrata on January 17, 2014 at 5:43 PM

I looked up data on the number of phone calls made in the United States. It’s around 3 billion per day or over 1 trillion per year. There are 294 billion E-mails per day or 94 trillion a year. In terms data that is anywhere from 1-10 terabytes per day of storage. If you think the NSA can listen or read all those phone calls and E-mails then you need to leave Colorado and get yourself straight.

Back the 1980s the NSA was reputed to have a program called Echelon which supposedly recorded and screen telecommunications using key words because even then there was no way to listen to them. Prism sounds like a 21st Century version of Echelon for the digital world. In principle it probably enhances your privacy instead of violating it because NSA is looking for specific cues. Yes, in theory they can look into your life but since most your lives are boring who would care?

Math is your friend.

jerryofva on January 17, 2014 at 5:44 PM

Is he more of a traitor than our secretary of state?

Buddahpundit on January 17, 2014 at 5:39 PM

Snowden embarrassed the Homosexual Half-Black Unicorn Prince of the Stars. The only thing worse than that would be some kinda Reggie-slayer.

Jeddite on January 17, 2014 at 5:47 PM

Math is your friend.

jerryofva on January 17, 2014 at 5:44 PM

And neighbor.

Christien on January 17, 2014 at 5:52 PM

You’re not providing a lot of incentive for people who know of government wrongdoing to try to do anything about it.

alchemist19 on January 17, 2014 at 5:39 PM

Huh?

As to knowing about government wrongdoing … that’s never been a secret with the Indonesian abusing power, leaking sensitive intelligence info, or turning the power and offices of the feral government against the citizenry. There has been more than enough well-known about all of this without anything from Snowden. There was also lots known about the NSA’s illegal operations against Americans before Snowden. Further, Snowden was a supporter of the Indonesian, which makes him a douchebag traitor, right there, even aside from all the stuff he gathered on legitimate operations of the NSA just to harm the nation.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 17, 2014 at 5:54 PM

Math is your friend.

jerryofva on January 17, 2014 at 5:44 PM

Not when the sorts of keywords they are looking for are “Constitution”, “2nd Amendment”, and the like. The DHS made clear that they considered conservatives to be “potential domestic terrorists” way back when Barky first slimed into office so it’s pretty clear what needles they were looking for in the haystack, which takes lots of your “math” argument out. Meanwhile, the morons didn’t do jack about the Tsarnaevs … even after they were warned about them (no need for any keywords, there, and one of them wasn’t even a citizen).

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 17, 2014 at 5:57 PM

Math is your friend.

jerryofva on January 17, 2014 at 5:44 PM

And the Constitution is yours.

Wendya on January 17, 2014 at 6:00 PM

Christien on January 17, 2014 at 5:39 PM

I’m not saying any extrajudicial action be taken against Snowden … yet. We might get lucky and all that information he has which could compromise a lot of people never makes it public, is disclosed years from now when its harmless or that he has protected it well enough so no one can crack it.

But if that aint the case …..

DJ Rick on January 17, 2014 at 6:00 PM

And when they say he deserves to die, they don’t mean due process, a treason conviction, and lethal injection. (He hasn’t been charged with treason.) They mean a jab from an umbrella tip laced with Polonium on a busy Moscow street when he’s not looking.

Amen.

Stoic Patriot on January 17, 2014 at 6:01 PM

Kinda like the way you guys offed JFK?

John the Libertarian on January 17, 2014 at 6:02 PM

Snowden deserved a fair hearing, right up until the time he started blathering on and on about all the other stuff totally unrelated to domestic operations. He deserves to die a traitor’s death.

flipflop on January 17, 2014 at 6:09 PM

I agree with them. He is a traitor.

rlwo2008 on January 17, 2014 at 6:25 PM

Am I the only one connecting this stuff? Oh yeah, we can soooo trust those guys.

dogsoldier on January 17, 2014 at 5:17 PM

I thought I was clear with my first post.

Glad Snowy did this to obama and not W.

Lanceman on January 17, 2014 at 6:31 PM

And when they say he deserves to die, they don’t mean due process, a treason conviction, and lethal injection. (He hasn’t been charged with treason.) They mean a jab from an umbrella tip laced with Polonium on a busy Moscow street when he’s not looking.

It was Ricin. Polonium needs to be ingested.

WryTrvllr on January 17, 2014 at 6:36 PM

I’ll put hum up at my place. Come and get him.

WryTrvllr on January 17, 2014 at 6:42 PM

him

WryTrvllr on January 17, 2014 at 6:42 PM

The only thing that needs killing is the NSA program.

Like Brian Cox said, “Shut it down. Shut it all down.”

papertiger on January 17, 2014 at 6:42 PM

This is how more than a few soldiers feel about Julian Assange. If they really want Snowden’s doomsday cache, just hand him to me … and Assange also. In 48 hours Snowden will give up everything and you’ll never hear from Julian again.

I promise.

M240H on January 17, 2014 at 6:48 PM

Here, read my lips.

2007 National Intelligence (?) Estimate.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/03/world/middleeast/03cnd-iran.html?_r=0

Who care what the career spooks think.

WryTrvllr on January 17, 2014 at 7:00 PM

I imagine they would know.

Count to 10 on January 17, 2014 at 7:03 PM

I imagine they would know.

Count to 10 on January 17, 2014 at 7:03 PM

What? They’ve onstarred my go-karts?

WryTrvllr on January 17, 2014 at 7:04 PM

“His name is cursed every day over here,” a defense contractor told BuzzFeed, speaking from an overseas intelligence collections base.

Are they in the white or yellow pages?

BobMbx on January 17, 2014 at 7:11 PM

All this is a direct result of the demokkkrat party. When will America wake up?

Mojave Mark on January 17, 2014 at 7:18 PM

“We don’t have time for this.” *blammo*

Christien on January 17, 2014 at 4:57 PM

I know what you did there . . .

BigAlSouth on January 17, 2014 at 7:30 PM

“In a world where I would not be restricted from killing an American, I personally would go and kill him myself,” a current NSA analyst told BuzzFeed. “A lot of people share this sentiment.”

“I would love to put a bullet in his head,” one Pentagon official, a former special forces officer, said bluntly. “I do not take pleasure in taking another human beings life, having to do it in uniform, but he is single-handedly the greatest traitor in American history.”…

These loons make terrible Americans. They would make great Nazis though, although I don’t know why I should have to help pay their inflated salaries, benefits and retirement.

VorDaj on January 17, 2014 at 7:30 PM

LegendHasIt on January 17, 2014 at 4:47 PM

Indeed…to add, not one terrorist caught and now Holder will forbid the investigators to look into Islamists background.

Thank you Mr. Snowden.

Ironically, if you want to live, stay in Russia.

Meanwhile, the RS in DC did nothing at all to stop the D nazis in this admin/IRS from forbidding the TEA party groups from political participation in 2014.

I hope that Boehner and McConnel burn slowly in hell and in Hell. They are more culpable than obama and his thugs; they enable them.

Schadenfreude on January 17, 2014 at 7:30 PM

The GOP blew this. Instead of taking Snowden side and using him against Obama to divide the democrats voters. At best GOP leadership kept silence at worst they called Snowden a traitor.

The GOP need new leadership fast.

jdun on January 17, 2014 at 7:32 PM

I hope that Boehner and McConnel burn slowly in hell and in Hell. They are more culpable than obama and his thugs; they enable them.

Schadenfreude on January 17, 2014 at 7:30 PM

The buck stops……….well……….ah screw it

WryTrvllr on January 17, 2014 at 7:36 PM

I bet about 2/3 of the HotAiryans who call themselves conservatives would be glad to kill him themselves too.
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And half of the remainder would be glad if someone else did it, but are too squeamish to do it themselves.

LegendHasIt on January 17, 2014 at 4:21 PM

Patriots … … … on the King George plan.

VorDaj on January 17, 2014 at 7:38 PM

Is he more of a traitor than our secretary of state?

Buddahpundit on January 17, 2014 at 5:39 PM

…Nope! Horseface or Hackels!

KOOLAID2 on January 17, 2014 at 7:39 PM

Snowden is not spying on my phone calls, emails and credit card statements, and anything else some sick twisted pervert can think of, treating me like a criminal serf who can never be proven innocent It’s the anti-American abomination National Spy Agency that’s doing that.

Either the NSA dies or America does.
“In the end, there can be only one”.

The NSA is as incompatible with America as is Islam and for many of the same reasons.

When a government becomes so totalitarian that it sets to spying, and in mass and in great detail, on it’s own people like they were all subjects, if not criminals, it is not doing so on their behalf. Only mice and sheep could think so (or maybe some who fancy themselves patriots, but that would be “patriots” on the Russian plan). The Stasi wasn’t in East German and the N-Stasi-A isn’t in America. And this is on top of the TSA/Gropestapo molesting little girls and grandmas at our airports and largely giving middle easterners a pass. I don’t think the federal government has stopped a single attack, and has caused quite a number (Fort Hood, Boston, Benghazi, Navy Shipyard, Mexican invaders who kill so many and most every day), with their gross willful dereliction. I don’t care how many times Herr Hussein Obama and other N-Stasi-A supporters and apologists and lackeys tell me that’s Holy Water they are spraying on my leg to keep me safe, I know that it’s something very different – and it smells to high Heaven.

There is no doubt in my mind that the Founding Fathers, to a man, would despise the NSA at least as much as they despised King George, probably more. As Barry Goldwater said of “the end justifies the means”, if ever there was a philosophy of government totally at war with that of the Founding Fathers, it is this one”. If there were justice in the world, Snowden would be living it up in the White House and Obama and all his N-Stasi-A criminals would be in hiding, maybe somewhere in North Korea, in a dark cave. subsisting on grass and having nightmares of Nuremberg.

Long live the Founding Fathers! Death to King George! Death to Hitler! Death to Stalin!

VorDaj on January 17, 2014 at 7:42 PM

I would argue the greatest traitor in American history was John Walker. He supplied our entire strategic nuclear integrated operating plans to the Soviets, including the authentication codes for authorizing a nuclear launch. Not just bits and pieces about our strategies but the entire f*cking playbook, including footnotes. If anything had gone sideways during the cold war the Soviets would have known every detail, in real time, about our entire response.

Snowden simply made fools out of the NSA by exploiting the flaws in their security protocols. He showcased their vulnerabilities and they’re understandably pissed. Still waiting for reports about the first compromised mission or agent resulting from his actions.

sewer urchin on January 17, 2014 at 7:49 PM

Still waiting for reports about the first compromised mission or agent resulting from his actions.

sewer urchin on January 17, 2014 at 7:49 PM

Odd, that.

WryTrvllr on January 17, 2014 at 8:12 PM

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