Report: GOP immigration “principles” to include legalization for illegals

posted at 8:01 pm on January 16, 2014 by Allahpundit

For all the Republican blather about passing reform piecemeal rather than in a giant comprehensive bill, there’s really no way for them to separate legalization from border enforcement. If they pass something on security alone, the pressure on them from conservatives not to take up legalization unless and until there are measurable improvements on the border will be tremendous. And of course, those improvements may never come, which would leave the party stuck between amnesty shills who want legalization irrespective of what’s happening on the border and border hawks who want legalization off the table until the feds have proved they have illegal immigration under control. That’s an impossible political position and Boehner knows it.

Which is why, even in a piecemeal scheme, security and legalization are a package deal.

The one-page document is being developed by House Speaker John Boehner’s office in conjunction with the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee and others in the Republican House leadership. It contains few details but voices support for the major planks of the comprehensive bill that cleared the Senate last summer. That includes increased border security, stepped-up employment verification, a temporary worker program for low-skilled workers, more visas for high-technology workers and a path to citizenship for people brought to the U.S. illegally as children, according to two people who have seen a draft.

These measures would be considered as individual pieces of legislation, not as one big bill, though some pieces might be combined — such as enforcement and legalization.

The document also expresses support for legal status for undocumented immigrants and envisions some sort of legal process by which they admit guilt and pay fines and any back taxes owed. It will also insist that no legalization provisions take effect until border security and other enforcement measures are in place, people familiar with the draft said.

Read that last sentence again. We’ll need to see the language of the principles themselves to know for sure, but the way the Journal phrases that makes it sound like they’re not going to condition legalization upon actual improvements at the border. Whether the new security measures work or not is beside the point; once they’re in place, success or fail, it’s full speed ahead on legal status. That’s marginally better than the Gang of Eight bill, which offered illegals probationary legal status once a mere plan for new border security is in place, but the whole point of the “enforcement first” approach by border hawks is that we need firm proof this time after the debacle of the 1986 amnesty that the next round of security will actually work. We’re not getting that if the Journal’s version of the principles is accurate. What we’re getting, essentially, is a promise to give it the ol’ college try. You trust Republicans and, especially, Democrats to do their darnedest to stem the flow, don’t you?

One more bit of good news:

Legislation is being developed by House Republicans that wouldn’t exclude citizenship for those here illegally. But it rejects what many Republicans see as a “special path” not available to would-be immigrants who didn’t break the law. Rather, after people win legal status they could apply for green cards, the same as any other legal immigrant.

The Gang of Eight bill did create a special path; the House, mindful that grassroots conservatives hold it to a higher standard because of its tea-party membership, can’t get away with that. But they’re also not going to foreclose the possibility of citizenship. They’re punting, essentially, with a promise that citizenship won’t be easy and it won’t come soon but that it might come someday. (Sooner than you expect, probably, given the political pressure that’ll begin immediately upon passage to make citizenship quicker and easier.) The point here, as is always, always true of Republican immigration reform efforts, isn’t to produce good policy, it’s to produce something that will allow the GOP to woo Latino voters in 2016 while minimizing the backlash among conservatives at the same time. This is about salesmanship, not border enforcement. All the left really wants from this process is legalization without meaningful conditions; they can get everything else later, including citizenship, by demagoging Republicans for hating Latinos or whatever, but right now they want a foot in the door for illegals to give them a permanent presence. And that’s what Boehner’s going to give them, albeit dressed up with token panders to tea partiers about the lack of a path to citizenship or the application of new border security measures whose actual utility is basically irrelevant. I have to say, I honestly don’t know why we even resist at this point. They’re going to do this. They’re convinced that they’re dead on arrival in 2016 if they don’t have a shiny object to show Latinos, so they’re going to produce that object whether their base likes it or not. The base will turn out regardless, if only to Beat the Democrat on election day. There’s virtually no leverage here. I wish it were otherwise, believe me.


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Just say no to the GOP…

OmahaConservative on January 16, 2014 at 8:03 PM

Report: GOP immigration “principles” to include legalization for illegals

Dead on arrival.

Stoic Patriot on January 16, 2014 at 8:03 PM

Mark1971′s principles to include re-registering to vote as independent.

Mark1971 on January 16, 2014 at 8:05 PM

I thought Weasel Boehner’s core “principles” would be open for bidding until at least mid-November?

viking01 on January 16, 2014 at 8:05 PM

the base is gone

TAARP on January 16, 2014 at 8:06 PM

Do they really think that the illegals will vote Republican if they do this?? There is not a chance in heII that they’ll get more hispanic votes by doing this.

BeachBum on January 16, 2014 at 8:07 PM

They’re convinced that they’re dead on arrival in 2016 if they don’t have a shiny object to show Latinos, so they’re going to produce that object whether their base likes it or not. The base will turn out regardless, if only to Beat the Democrat on election day.

I recall them saying the same thing on Election Day 2012. And as President Romney can attest, it’s a can’t-miss strategy.

Stoic Patriot on January 16, 2014 at 8:08 PM

If they pass something on security alone, the pressure on them from conservatives not to take up legalization unless and until there are measurable improvements on the border will be tremendous.

ROFLMAO. A conservative would NEVER be in favor of any sort of legalization for illegals – border security or not.

The most important task is interior enforcement (i.e. NOT legalizing illegals but finding them and deporting them, with the punishment that they are never allowed to come back). Without interior enforcement, everything else is a sick joke. And, if you have real interior enforcement, then there’s nothing to talk about with respect to “legalizing” any illegals.

I am so tired of having to fight this same issue every single year. Year after year after year … The GOP needs to just die and disappear, already. I’ve had more than enough of these moron traitors. If they love illegals so much, let them take a hike to some other country. And if they had any integrity, at all, they’d do it and become illegals somewhere else.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 16, 2014 at 8:09 PM

Big smile on Hillary. GOP can’t win with this strategy.

BKeyser on January 16, 2014 at 8:10 PM

I guess running on repealing and replacing Obamacare was too risky.

BuckeyeSam on January 16, 2014 at 8:11 PM

There is not a chance in heII that they’ll get more hispanic votes by doing this.

BeachBum on January 16, 2014 at 8:07 PM

Why does that even matter?
They are illegal aliens. That is a serious crime.
Using the same “logic”, why not attract the violent gang vote by turning a blind eye to the crimes of that demographic?
HEY!..it’s worth a try!

Mimzey on January 16, 2014 at 8:13 PM

I have to say, I honestly don’t know why we even resist at this point. They’re going to do this. They’re convinced that they’re dead on arrival in 2016 if they don’t have a shiny object to show Latinos, so they’re going to produce that object whether their base likes it or not. The base will turn out regardless, if only to Beat the Democrat on election day.

Good point. Just ask President Romney. Oh wait. Well, ask John McCain who obviously did well with Latino voters in 2008 since he spearheaded the previous amnesty push in Congress. Oh wait.

If the GOP doesn’t realize by now that they can’t buy off Latinos with amnesty AND simultaneously get their base voters to the polls, then they deserve to go the way of the Whigs. And on a personal note, let me reiterate for the 1000th time. If the Republican Party passes amnesty, I will NEVER vote for any Republican in any election ever again.

Doughboy on January 16, 2014 at 8:14 PM

You trust Republicans and, especially, Democrats to do their darnedest to stem the flow, don’t you?

That’s a good one. I wonder though, what’s the enticement for illegals to come here anymore, anyway? It can’t be jobs, or the economy, or the cost of living, or affordable housing or the energy prices. They may be better off in Mexico.

scalleywag on January 16, 2014 at 8:16 PM

Why does that even matter?
They are illegal aliens. That is a serious crime.
Using the same “logic”, why not attract the violent gang vote by turning a blind eye to the crimes of that demographic?
HEY!..it’s worth a try!

Mimzey on January 16, 2014 at 8:13 PM

I understand that and I consider them criminals. My question is why would these idiot Republicans think that these people who vote reliably democrat and entitlements ever consider voting Republican? It makes no sense. They will still vote Democrat even if Republicans give them this.

BeachBum on January 16, 2014 at 8:18 PM

By all means, pass one, or some laws. Compromise. Give these new laws to Obama and Holder to uphold. Idiots……

KCB on January 16, 2014 at 8:18 PM

Really, I’m going to vote for providing several million more worthless f***s who are here to low-ball wages. And I really want to subsidize their healthcare too. You know, because I’m a magnanimous dumbass like that. Really.

Step in front of a bus, Boehner. Really.

M240H on January 16, 2014 at 8:20 PM

And if they had any integrity, at all, they’d do it and become illegals somewhere else.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 16, 2014 at 8:09 PM

I’ll bet it’s a lot harder to become an illegal in just about any country than it is in ours.

scalleywag on January 16, 2014 at 8:20 PM

The base will turn out regardless, if only to Beat the Democrat on election day. There’s virtually no leverage here. I wish it were otherwise, believe me.

I won’t be. I’m voting Democrat from now on(no joke). Where do I get my spiked shoulder pads, and wrist mounted crossbow.

DFCtomm on January 16, 2014 at 8:21 PM

The most ridiculous thing about this is the fact it’s all based on the notion they can’t win in ’16 without it. What Latino voter out there is going to “credit” the GOP when it will be Dems heralding this and a Dem signing this into law? Come the ’16 campaign, the GOP will once again be the party that hates blacks, Latinos, women, the poor, etc.

It’s such an unbelievable joke.

changer1701 on January 16, 2014 at 8:22 PM

The base will turn out regardless, if only to Beat the Democrat on election day.

Not me. Not this time.

El_Terrible on January 16, 2014 at 8:23 PM

Keep in mind that the Koch Brothers, Club For Growth, and Freedomworks will all at the very least not lift a finger to oppose this, with the Koch Brothers probably giving full support.

Mark1971 on January 16, 2014 at 8:24 PM

I understand that and I consider them criminals. My question is why would these idiot Republicans think that these people who vote reliably democrat and entitlements ever consider voting Republican? It makes no sense. They will still vote Democrat even if Republicans give them this.

BeachBum on January 16, 2014 at 8:18 PM

I agree..it makes no rational sense. Unless they actually don’t care about that and just want the money and power that may come from lobbyists as the fine points of needed legislation is worked out to deal with the influx of illegals….and then they can become lobbyists themselves after choosing to leave office or are voted out. One things for sure, they don’t at all care about the good of the country or the will of the people they were trusted to represent..

Mimzey on January 16, 2014 at 8:26 PM

The base will turn out regardless, if only to Beat the Democrat on election day.

You sure about that? I won’t. Not here in AZ with 100 tunnels soutth of me in nogales alone. (Last 20 years)

And Mr. build the dang fence.

No sir,, I’ll stay home and drink up on election day.

This isn’t NY. I have to live with this bullshit.

I work with hispanics primarily. None of them vote.

But I do. They flood the trades here already without enough jobs?

I say eff it. LIB.

May not affect you NY’ers right away. But it will soon enough.

wolly4321 on January 16, 2014 at 8:26 PM

The base will turn out regardless, if only to Beat the Democrat on election day.

Not me. Not this time.

El_Terrible on January 16, 2014 at 8:23 PM

Ditto.

davidk on January 16, 2014 at 8:27 PM

Come the ’16 campaign, the GOP will once again be the party that hates blacks, Latinos, women, the poor, etc.

It’s such an unbelievable joke.

changer1701 on January 16, 2014 at 8:22 PM

QFT.

El_Terrible on January 16, 2014 at 8:28 PM

The base will turn out regardless, if only to Beat the Democrat on election day. There’s virtually no leverage here. I wish it were otherwise, believe me.

Huh? You don’t remember what happened to the GOP after the last time they pushed aiding and abetting illegals in 2006-2007?? The GOP very nearly killed itself with that idiocy. They were only rescued from dead in 2010 in order to repeal BarkyCare (which they refused to do) by the very same people they are sh!tting all over, now, and calling all sorts of names.

This will be a replay of 2006-2007, except that the GOP suicide run will finally be successful. In the end, it doesn’t matter, though, as national divorce is the only solution left for anyone who wants to live in an American Constitutional Republic. The only solution.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 16, 2014 at 8:29 PM

They may be better off in Mexico.

scalleywag on January 16, 2014 at 8:16 PM

Has Mexico passed us in the economic freedom rankings yet?

Boehner should realize by now that no matter how much he sells out the base the NSA is going to release the inappropriate photo with the cub scout or whatever secret keeps him in toothless turncoat mode.

viking01 on January 16, 2014 at 8:30 PM

The point here, as is always, always true of Republican immigration reform efforts, isn’t to produce good policy, it’s to produce something that will allow the GOP to woo Latino voters in 2016 while minimizing the backlash among conservatives at the same time. This is about salesmanship, not border enforcement.

There is no minimizing the backlash. Pass amnesty, which this is, and I’ll never vote for any member of the political class who has a hand in it, and if that means I don’t vote, so be it.

Because THIS is the only voice the political class hears, and the only entity to which they are loyal.

Left or right, the attitude in Washington DC is ‘Screw the citizens and legal immigrants of this nation. Business wants those cheap foreign laborers and by God, as long as those campaign donations keep coming in, we, the political class, mean to service those 208 CEO’s demanding AMNESTY and cheap foreign labor.’

thatsafactjack on January 16, 2014 at 8:30 PM

GOP leadership desperately keeps seeking the love of those who will never love them. Maybe they need therapy.

Mark1971 on January 16, 2014 at 8:30 PM

What doughboy said x 1000!

neyney on January 16, 2014 at 8:30 PM

I hope the remaining sane Republicans have the good sense to start a new party, such as Whigs like Lincoln did when they saw that ship was going down. And you know what? The new party didn’t have to wait long until they gained power and they kept power for decades.

Buddahpundit on January 16, 2014 at 8:30 PM

Someone should remind the political class that immigration law as written and voted into being in order to protect the citizens from predation of illegal aliens and that predation includes lowering wages and taking American jobs.

If the federal government is more interested in tending to the wishes of big business and foreign labor it’s time to change the membership of that federal government.

Throw the bums of the political class out and elect some real public servants who are loyal to the American citizens and the constitution.

thatsafactjack on January 16, 2014 at 8:33 PM

I find it easy to spot people who have never been through the immigration process themselves by the way they talk about it. Allahpundit sounds like one, though I may be wrong.

Christien on January 16, 2014 at 8:34 PM

So the republican party is

for vaginal probes
against veterans
for illegal aliens

and they just spent more money.

Republican are now worse than democrats.

TAARP on January 16, 2014 at 8:35 PM

Get the republican party in the ground before Reagan in Heaven is subjected to it’s smell.

VorDaj on January 16, 2014 at 8:35 PM

$25/hour minimum wage for Women and Minorities. That’s the winning GOP ticket. Bring it.

Call it fairness, equality, social justice, communism, whatever. Just crush these Democrats with it.

HopeHeFails on January 16, 2014 at 8:36 PM

If they actually do this, then the Democrats will have a permanent majority for the next 100 years.

THIS IS SUICIDE

WisCon on January 16, 2014 at 8:36 PM

I find it easy to spot people who have never been through the immigration process themselves by the way they talk about it. Allahpundit sounds like one, though I may be wrong.

Christien on January 16, 2014 at 8:34 PM

I don’t think Allahpundit has ever immigrated to America. I think he still lives in New York City.

VorDaj on January 16, 2014 at 8:37 PM

From what I recall, enough R people sat out voting in ’12 to give O 4 more years. Are they so sure we’ll show up.

It might just be the first time I don’t show up for a presidential vote.

CoffeeLover on January 16, 2014 at 8:37 PM

The base will turn out regardless

You want to bet on that?

KMav on January 16, 2014 at 8:38 PM

Years ago, I said that since American citizenship is valued so little, then what would happen if say 30 million American citizenship renounced their citizenship virtually overnight, then cut right to the head of the line ahead of all the illegals in order to jam the system with endless demands for rights, special privileges, and benefits.

Maybe it’s time to muster our own FSA.

Christien on January 16, 2014 at 8:38 PM

VorDaj on January 16, 2014 at 8:37 PM

I believe you’re right, however I said go through the immigration process. U.S. citizens can go through the process, too, obviously.

Christien on January 16, 2014 at 8:42 PM

These guys have sold us out.
They did it on the sequester. They’re doing it on immigration. They’re doing it with the IRS rules that only target us. They’re doing it on O-Care.
They need to be destroyed. Its us or them.

Iblis on January 16, 2014 at 8:44 PM

It might just be the first time I don’t show up for a presidential vote.

CoffeeLover on January 16, 2014 at 8:37 PM

Good evening, CoffeeLover. :) Good to see you.

I agree. I’m thinking the same thing, sadly.

If the GOP is going to try to out-Democrat the Democrats and push the same agenda I don’t see what difference it makes if the nation is ruined by people with an ‘R’ after their name or a ‘D’ after their name. I won’t be complicit in electing someone who embraces policies that I believe are seriously detrimental to the nation as a whole, and to American citizens specifically. As a matter of fact, it is my duty, as a citizen, not to elect anyone I suspect would be detrimental to the well being of the nation.

thatsafactjack on January 16, 2014 at 8:46 PM

It’s simple AP.

I’m not voting repub any longer. I vote Conservative/sane Libertarian.

If there aren’t any,, I won’t vote. Up and down the ticket.

They can wear an “R “, but it better stand for something.

Mccain cured me. Flake.

No more.

wolly4321 on January 16, 2014 at 8:47 PM

If they’re going to have the same platform as the libertarians on immigration then I’ll just vote L.

Spade on January 16, 2014 at 8:47 PM

Meanwhile, Rubio is still trying to gain back some credibility.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/01/16/Rubio-questions-whether-House-Republicans-should-handle-immigration-legislation-in-2014

Wigglesworth on January 16, 2014 at 8:49 PM

I quit donating to the GOP after the last election…I don’t call myself a Republican any more either…they are terrifyingly close to forcing me to sit out 2016.

AUINSC on January 16, 2014 at 8:49 PM

If they actually do this, then the Democrats will have a permanent majority for the next 100 years.

THIS IS SUICIDE

WisCon on January 16, 2014 at 8:36 PM

They don’t care.
It’s suicide for ‘we the people’..but, They.Don’t. Care.
It’s just Kabuki theater to them. $174,000 + perks a year. A short year. And pension. Not bad for an acting gig.
How many ex lawyers and future millionaires are made on the backs of taxpayer dollars?

Mimzey on January 16, 2014 at 8:51 PM

I won’t be. I’m voting Democrat from now on(no joke). Where do I get my spiked shoulder pads, and wrist mounted crossbow.

DFCtomm on January 16, 2014 at 8:21 PM

As some other HA commenter once said, many of us believe that in a post-apocalyptic world they will be Lord Humongous, but the fact is most of us will end up like this guy

BobMbx on January 16, 2014 at 8:53 PM

This is much worse than Romney and Romneycare. There were a few who said they would not vote for Romney, but I could count them on 2 hands. There were quite a few flame wars, but it was the same posters over and over. This amnesty sell-out is much different. The overwhelming majority on these threads sound just like the very small minority of hardcore anti-Romney posters in 2012. The bottom line is this will be ugly for Republicans no matter how many times establishment bloggers say the base will show up and vote.

Wigglesworth on January 16, 2014 at 8:54 PM

Even the lame pikers hate the GOP now. But I hated them first.

SparkPlug on January 16, 2014 at 8:54 PM

thatsafactjack on January 16, 2014 at 8:46 PM

Always good to see you Jackie!!!

I agree with you They took us for granted for far too long. I don’t think they better any longer.

CoffeeLover on January 16, 2014 at 8:56 PM

Mark1971′s principles to include re-registering to vote as independent.
Mark1971 on January 16, 2014 at 8:05 PM

I’ll be in line right behind you.

Goody2Shoes on January 16, 2014 at 8:56 PM

Under the current circumstances, the GOP will lose congress by a pretty significant margin.

jjnco73 on January 16, 2014 at 8:57 PM

How is this amnesty going to be any different from the amnesty of 1986, you remember, the last amnesty ever?

In 1986:

Representative Chuck Schumer claimed there were no more than 300,000 illegals. The real number was 2.7 million. Today they claim the number is 11 million. Who knows what the real number was.

The Democrats promised all forms of enforcement and refused to fund any of them (border security, e-verify, etc.).

The average illegal who received amnesty in 1986 sponsored 5 family members. If this holds true, and there are only 11 million, we are looking at approximately 66 million illegals and relatives over the next 15-20 years.

bw222 on January 16, 2014 at 8:57 PM

Coulter had the get drunk and pull the lever thing.

AP can have the honor of the get drunk and stay home open thread. The day after.
( I always take the day after election off)

Bookmark it Rogerb.

wolly4321 on January 16, 2014 at 8:58 PM

SparkPlug on January 16, 2014 at 8:54 PM

;) lol

CoffeeLover on January 16, 2014 at 8:59 PM

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce is as great a danger to the United States and middle class America as any far-left group.

bw222 on January 16, 2014 at 9:00 PM

CoffeeLover on January 16, 2014 at 8:56 PM

Yep. You are right CL. Hell hath no fury like a honey badger.

SparkPlug on January 16, 2014 at 9:00 PM

If we raise taxes now, we’ll cut spending later. Pinky swear.

Valiant on January 16, 2014 at 9:00 PM

Hell hath no furry like a honey badger either.

SparkPlug on January 16, 2014 at 9:02 PM

C’mon, ‘sport’ – where are ya? Drop on in and tell us how much the GOP aren’t going to do this because it isn’t in the ‘platform’ or something.

Midas on January 16, 2014 at 9:02 PM

SparkPlug on January 16, 2014 at 9:02 PM

I hope your throat is better tonight, Spark. I’m sorry you’ve been ill.

thatsafactjack on January 16, 2014 at 9:04 PM

If they actually do this, then the Democrats will have a permanent majority for the next 100 years forever.

THIS IS SUICIDE

WisCon on January 16, 2014 at 8:36 PM

IMO.

Midas on January 16, 2014 at 9:05 PM

I disagree AP

If the House passés *any* amnesty, amnety-ite, they will see a bigger drop off in voter turnout than they did in ’12

We can SEE they are selling out the remants of the middle class for donations and future employment

H1B visas KILL US STEM jobs

‘Its a BigClub, we aint in it’ – George Carlin

Vote Dem or don’t vote at all if GOP does this

faster it crashes, faster it resets

ginaswo on January 16, 2014 at 9:05 PM

The base will turn out regardless, if only to Beat the Democrat on election day.

I promise you, sir, that you are *very* wrong.

If you really believe that, you’re not paying attention to even your own site.

Midas on January 16, 2014 at 9:08 PM

The GOP needs to be destroyed.

WisCon on January 16, 2014 at 9:11 PM

This country is consciously being driven towards violence, more and more every damn day.

Midas on January 16, 2014 at 9:12 PM

So , amnesty by fatwa it is !

burrata on January 16, 2014 at 9:12 PM

The base will turn out regardless, if only to Beat the Democrat on election day.

No way jose , absolutely no way .

burrata on January 16, 2014 at 9:14 PM

at least Dems try to buy votes from their voters

GOP just buys COC Big Biz TBTF donations, their voter base gets jacked

The WWC voter dropoff in 12 should have galvanized GOP pols to pay better attn. to their base’s needs

Instead, they took it as urgent need for a new populace more open to the BIG GOV LOVES YOU message the ‘compassionate conservatives’ in DC GOP believe in

This is the DC GOP showing us who they are and where their priorities are.

If they pass this, MESSAGE RECEIVED and I hope they enjoy their 1 term cuz they get primaries in 16 or Main St USA finishes Going Galt and DC GOP parasites will b starved for cash cuz COC cant lobby for businesses that died from lack of top line revenue growth

ginaswo on January 16, 2014 at 9:15 PM

The point here, as is always, always true of Republican immigration reform efforts, isn’t to produce good policy, it’s to produce something that will allow the GOP to woo Latino voters in 2016 while minimizing the backlash among conservatives at the same time.

This, and not just on immigration reform. It’s always about votes, never about good policy. I’m sick of it.

tnjeff on January 16, 2014 at 9:20 PM

This country is consciously being driven towards violence, more and more every damn day.

Midas on January 16, 2014 at 9:12 PM

That is what Barky wants and apparently Boehner and McConnell, too.

A waiver! A waiver! The kingdom for a waiver!

viking01 on January 16, 2014 at 9:21 PM

The base will turn out regardless, if only to Beat the Democrat on election day

This may have been the case once, when the base had the luxury of thinking of politics like a team sport, and there were still two clearly defined political parties with separate agendas. This is no longer the case.

The voter base of the GOP understands the workings and ambitions of the political class far better today than ever before. Pain is the best teacher and there’s been plenty of it to go around of late. We clearly see the destruction being meted out by the political class, meted out without regard for the nation or its citizens, with only the grooming and currying of the ambitions of the donors and the political class itself as the goal.

There comes a time when every individual has to draw the line. For me the line is failing to repeal Obamacare and/or passing any form of amnesty for those who’ve willfully shattered federal immigration law.

If the GOP wants to get my vote they’ll have to stand up for the American citizens and the rule of law.

thatsafactjack on January 16, 2014 at 9:21 PM

you really believe that, you’re not paying attention to even your own site. Midas on January 16, 2014 at 9:08 PM

He’s having fun. Heck,, too many fatboy posts to even have time to be “nonP”.

I think he’s on a bent fishing up hit counts with internal contraversy. Maybe the salem thing. I don’t know.

He doesn’t need to.

Just write well. He can. Quit toying the audience.

wolly4321 on January 16, 2014 at 9:22 PM

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce is as great a danger to the United States and middle class America as any far-left group.

bw222 on January 16, 2014 at 9:00 PM

A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.
- Marcus Tullius Cicero

VorDaj on January 16, 2014 at 9:23 PM

like Aunt Beulah Jo says…….

“They ain’t got enough sense to pour piss out of a boot”.

gop……boot…..piss.

PappyD61 on January 16, 2014 at 9:25 PM

PappyD61 on January 16, 2014 at 9:25 PM

And grandfather Karl added ‘… if the instruction were written on the heel.’

thatsafactjack on January 16, 2014 at 9:27 PM

This country is consciously being driven towards violence, more and more every damn day.

Midas on January 16, 2014 at 9:12 PM

That is what Barky wants and apparently Boehner and McConnell, too.

A waiver! A waiver! The kingdom for a waiver!

viking01 on January 16, 2014 at 9:21 PM

This is pretty much like France was in 1788. Unfortunately for the ruling class, they must have forgotten just how the French responded to living under autocratic tyranny. (Hint, it wasn’t pretty.)

Myron Falwell on January 16, 2014 at 9:28 PM

Allow me to repeat myself, as this issue is so important…

This is an enormous tactical blunder for this election year. Due to Obamacare, Conservatives currently enjoy a tremendous enthusiasm advantage over liberals for the mid term elections. Republicans will win big this year if they don’t blow it. But sticking their finger in the eyes of conservatives by betraying us on the only other issue that excites us as much as Healthcare is absolutely blowing it. It is a truly mystifying strategy. They should not deflate us by betraying us on this issue in an election year. I promise you many, already disillusioned with Washington, will stay home if they do, or possibly even start a third party. If they must go down this path, they should wait until they have made big gains in these midterms so the terms of a future Immigration package can be more sensical coming from a more conservative Congress.

Separately, the entire strategy is a fool’s errand. The conventional wisdom in the beltway that Republicans must end the Immigration debate before 2016 is simply wrong. Republicans rightly supported the Civil Rights Act of 1964 in a greater percentage than did Democrats, but did they get credit for it among black people? No. Black people vote for Democrats by over 90% to this day. Why do Republican insiders think this will be different for Hispanics? Registering millions of new voters for the Democrats, and bringing in millions more as a result of this policy, is not the way to get Republicans elected. It is a sure ticket to permanent minority status. Again, as the Civil Rights vote shows, Republicans will not get any credit for an amnesty. Once a section of the voting block is turned into an interest group locked into identify politics and looking for government goodies, they are Democrats for life. The only way to overcome the disadvantage in Hispanic votes is to educate Hispanics about the benefits of small government. It may not be an easy path, but it is the only option. Enrolling millions of new Democrat voters seeking goodies from Uncle Sam will do nothing but destroy the Republican party for good. There is a reason Democrats are pushing for this so hard. I just can’t believe Republicans are helping them tie the noose around their own necks. They call it the Stupid Party for a reason.

daviddunn on January 16, 2014 at 9:29 PM

A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.
- Marcus Tullius Cicero

VorDaj on January 16, 2014 at 9:23 PM

A formidable and excellent quote, VorDaj. Well placed.

thatsafactjack on January 16, 2014 at 9:29 PM

The base will turn out regardless, if only to Beat the Democrat on election day

You are a fool if you believe this! You guys in DC are SOOOOO out of touch with realville USA its embarrassing…..

jjnco73 on January 16, 2014 at 9:30 PM

This issue just smacks of crony capitalism and cheap workers. Go ahead Republicans. Higher unemployment sounds like a great idea now. Maybe we can then have even more awkward debates on food stamps and unemployment insurance.

ArkyDore on January 16, 2014 at 9:30 PM

daviddunn on January 16, 2014 at 9:29 PM

Reagan ushered in the first amnesty and Latino’s still vote overwhelmingly Democrat.

They aren’t voting for immigration reform. They are voting for big government handing out big benefits.

thatsafactjack on January 16, 2014 at 9:32 PM

They aren’t voting for immigration reform. They are voting for big government handing out big benefits.

thatsafactjack on January 16, 2014 at 9:32 PM

and eventually our country being renamed the
Islamic Republica de mehico

burrata on January 16, 2014 at 9:36 PM

burrata on January 16, 2014 at 9:36 PM

Indeed. They already like to carry signs that read “America is a continent not a country.”

Wonder how Canada feels about becoming part of their ‘country’?

thatsafactjack on January 16, 2014 at 9:38 PM

The base will turn out regardless, if only to Beat the Democrat on election day

Right. Just like in 2008 and 2012.

VorDaj on January 16, 2014 at 9:38 PM

The base will turn out regardless, if only to Beat the Democrat on election day.

Yes. That is why we have Romney as our president.

Hard Right on January 16, 2014 at 9:39 PM

Indeed. They already like to carry signs that read “America is a continent not a country.”

thatsafactjack on January 16, 2014 at 9:38 PM

And “Mexico is incontinent, not a country”.

VorDaj on January 16, 2014 at 9:42 PM

VorDaj on January 16, 2014 at 9:42 PM

lol!;)

thatsafactjack on January 16, 2014 at 9:43 PM

The base will turn out regardless, if only to Beat the Democrat on election day.

That’s the lesson the Establishment refuses to learn from the two defeats Obama gave them, significant chunks of the base will not turn out regardless. They have to believe they will get more then lip service. Until then, the Repub Establishment will keep losing elections they should win.

As an infinitely wiser man once said, “No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other.” The Repub establishment are making clear which master they love and which they hate.

StargazerA5 on January 16, 2014 at 9:44 PM

This is an enormous tactical blunder for this election year. Due to Obamacare, Conservatives currently enjoy a tremendous enthusiasm advantage over liberals for the mid term elections. Republicans will win big this year if they don’t blow it. But sticking their finger in the eyes of conservatives by betraying us on the only other issue that excites us as much as Healthcare is absolutely blowing it. It is a truly mystifying strategy. They should not deflate us by betraying us on this issue in an election year. I promise you many, already disillusioned with Washington, will stay home if they do, or possibly even start a third party. If they must go down this path, they should wait until they have made big gains in these midterms so the terms of a future Immigration package can be more sensical coming from a more conservative Congress.

Great post.
Even taking up amnesty/immigration reform when you absolutely don’t have to, hints at leadership that is being run,played or bought.
Hard to say but its all that makes sense.
It also lights fire to the theory of the shadow govt.
Who is really behind what strange things are happening in govt. these days.
No rational leader would do what either side does.
The excuse given by the GOP is that they need the cheap labor to keep coming to help businesses that rely on cheap labor. Farming,fast foods,what industry we have left,etc.
Lame excuses really with unemployment where it is.
Bottom line our leadership is owned seemingly both sides bought and paid for. The big question is by whom.

rodguy911 on January 16, 2014 at 9:45 PM

Today, I got a call from the congressional committee for the GOP House–I think it’s the NRCC. Before I hung up on the caller, I told him no money while the GOP considers amnesty.

BuckeyeSam on January 16, 2014 at 9:46 PM

Indeed. They already like to carry signs that read “America is a continent not a country.”

thatsafactjack on January 16, 2014 at 9:38 PM

LOL. There is no continent called “America”. Never has been. What a bunch of morons. They should have stuck with their “We didn’t cross the border. The border crossed us.” stupidity.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 16, 2014 at 9:46 PM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 16, 2014 at 9:46 PM

No one said they, or the Leftists backing them, were intelligent or inspiring. :)

That line, written by a very poor screenwriter, lingers simply because it is so poorly conceived. Only a moron would say such a thing, and only an idiot would find such a line inspiring. I find it delghtful that so many on the Left keep repeating it. lol!

thatsafactjack on January 16, 2014 at 9:50 PM

The Repub establishment are making clear which master they love and which they hate.

StargazerA5 on January 16, 2014 at 9:44 PM

Their master is money.

VorDaj on January 16, 2014 at 9:54 PM

This is not about winning votes from Hispanics for the GOPe, although that is one of their arguments.

None of them are actually that stupid. If the Guam tipping over guy was a Republican, he might really believe that malarkey, but R’s can’t be that deeply stupid and survive.

It is about pleasing their big campaign contributors, the ones who are going to give them goodies like cushy jobs after they leave office.

Just follow the money. It is always about prestige and money with most politicians. It is never about what is coming out of their mouths, and it is certainly never about what is best for the American People.

You can see now who the few exceptional politicians are. They are the ones standing against the invasion. They could do far better for themselves by selling us out.

fadetogray on January 16, 2014 at 9:58 PM

The Obamacare debacle was dropped in the unworthy and lazy laps of the congressional GOP, they did nothing to cause the debacle or to substantively mitigate the harm Obamacare is doing to the people of this nation. It is a political boon unearned and undeserved.

Boehner and his pals are betting that the GOP base will be distracted and satisfied enough over the self inflicted beating the Democrats are suffering if the GOP claims they have administered that beating in some way that he can usher in his AMNESTY and still win the 2014 and/or the 2016 election, dependent only upon when he tries to pull the trigger on this amnesty. He’ll likely wait until after the ballot is set for the 2014 elections, then spring it in hopes of ‘clearing the decks of ill will’ well before the 2016 election.

This is a gambit that is destined for failure. Simply put, the base isn’t that stupid or ill informed. We’re not Democrats.

thatsafactjack on January 16, 2014 at 9:58 PM

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