Boehner’s immigration strategy: Let’s float some “principles” and see if there’s a backlash from conservatives

posted at 7:21 pm on January 15, 2014 by Allahpundit

I’m going to go out on a limb and predict: Backlash.

Is it at all relevant, by the way, that the GOP’s number two in the Senate is now telling reporters that the party can’t win in 2016 if it doesn’t pass reform of some kind?

“We can win in 2014 without resolving it. We can’t win in 2016 without resolving it,” said Senate Minority Whip John Cornyn, R-Texas.

Majority Leader Eric Cantor, Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy, Republican Conference Chairwoman Cathy McMorris Rodgers, and immigration-law expert Bob Goodlatte, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, are writing the principles with Boehner…

Then, according to aides, the plan is to gauge public reaction. If House members are deluged with nothing but hate mail from their districts, Republicans might decide to do nothing but emphasize border security, perhaps even voting on the border bill produced last year. That’s at least until 2014 primary-election filings are over. (The biggest threat to Republicans on immigration is in the primaries anyway, strategists say. No one will lose in the general election because they are too soft on immigration.)

But if leadership’s principles receive some positive feedback, Goodlatte, Cantor, and Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., could advance legislation they have discussed for the last several months. As yet, there is no legislative language drafted, however. Cantor and Goodlatte have talked about a path to citizenship for undocumented “dreamers” who came to this country as kids. Even Rep. Joe Heck, R-Nev., is discussing some sort of “Dream Act.” Issa is mulling broader legalization for other unauthorized immigrants. Rep. Mario Diaz-Balart, R-Fla., is trying to gather support for a legalization plan that would allow undocumented immigrants to get green cards through normal channels, such as children or spouses.

This is at least the second leak to a major media source about the forthcoming “principles” in the last week, even though they haven’t actually been written yet. If you want to know how little confidence you should have in this process, there’s your answer. How the grassroots might react to a new GOP initiative on immigration reform is more important to Boehner and his aides than the substance of the reform itself.

Serious question: At this point, why wait? Cornyn’s view is, I’m all but certain, the view of the majority of the caucus in both the House and Senate. They’re going to pass some sort of amnesty before 2016, be it for DREAMers or something broader. The question is simply when. In that case, what are the arguments for doing nothing this year and waiting until 2015? One, purely viscerally, is that it would be a moral victory over business lobbyists who’ve sworn up and down that they’re going to show the tea party who’s boss by getting immigration passed. But so what? They’ll declare victory anyway when it passes next year instead. Another is that passing amnesty now would move the spotlight off of ObamaCare, which is where the GOP wants it in the run-up to the midterms. I’m not convinced, though. If amnesty gets done, it’ll get done no later than the summer; the fall will be consumed with news of new plan cancellations and stump speeches about the folly of “if you like your plan.” The GOP message machine will be full throttle on O-Care no matter what happens with amnesty, and voters have short memories. Besides, the real battle in the midterms is over the Senate and the Senate passed the Gang of Eight bill long ago. If you want to punish a Senate Republican for his or her vote on that, you don’t need to wait around to see what Boehner does.

The big argument for waiting is that, once the Senate is back in Republican hands, the GOP can dictate terms on immigration reform to Obama. Even if they’re forced to compromise, in theory the final product should be more solid on border security and stricter about legalization than a bill written now would be. But all of that is just another way of asking how much you trust Republicans to drive a hard bargain on this. Per Cornyn, by 2015, they’ll be staring down the barrel of four more years with nothing to show Latino voters by way of immigration reform and a new presidential election right around the corner. They’re not going to hold out for tough legalization measures under those circumstances. (They might hold out for tougher border security.) The closer we get to election day 2016 without a deal, the more leverage Democrats will have in demagoging the GOP, which is an argument for striking some modest deal on amnesty now, while we’re still nearly three years out. That won’t stop the demagoguery — nothing will, including a full amnesty — but it’ll leave it with less teeth. And if you do it now, you know you’ve got new ObamaCare upheaval waiting in the fall that you can use to bring disaffected conservatives back onboard before election day. Look at it from Boehner’s and McConnell’s perspective: If the art of an immigration deal is pandering to Latino voters and big business while minimizing the backlash among the righty base, it makes more sense to pass this when government is divided than when the GOP controls both chambers, no? With government divided, the GOP leadership can kinda sorta spin a compromise bill as a regrettably imperfect solution fashioned by a gridlocked Congress. If Republicans control both chambers, though, there’s nowhere to hide politically. They own the bill, and their only partner on it is The One himself. That might impress Latinos marginally more once something passes, but it also might alienate conservatives more. If nothing else, striking a grand bargain with Obama on amnesty in the last few years of his presidency would give him a little boost for a presidential legacy that stands right now to be defined solely by the ObamaCare debacle. Why do that?

Anyway. Lefty Greg Sargent thinks the GOP won’t agree to a special path to citizenship for illegals but might agree to legalizing illegals with an eye to letting them eventually apply for citizenship under existing channels. Do you find that implausible under a bill crafted by McConnell’s and Boehner’s teams? If so, tell me why. I’m anxious to know.


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AP, quit calling it a controversy over “immigration reform.” Call it what it is: ILLEGAL ALIEN AMNESTY.

bluegill on January 15, 2014 at 7:23 PM

“Move these deck chairs around…”

Akzed on January 15, 2014 at 7:24 PM

The reason for amnesty:

Obama wants amnesty for 100 million muslims living in the U.S. before he leaves office.
http://tinyurl.com/mopnwmo

Menorah on January 15, 2014 at 7:26 PM

When Senator Juan McCain finally expires, we wont need to look far for a replacement for the unofficial representative of Mexico.

Jeddite on January 15, 2014 at 7:26 PM

Pass it,please,.Anyone praying for the death of the GOP(Gonadless Old Party)will be jumping for joy!It will be the straw that breaks the elephant’s trunk.Bye RINOs!

redware on January 15, 2014 at 7:26 PM

Boehner’s immigration strategy: Let’s float some “principles” and see if there’s a backlash from conservatives

…why don’t you float face down in the toilet for half-an-hour Boner Baby!

KOOLAID2 on January 15, 2014 at 7:29 PM

Any Republican that supports this illegal alien amnesty should be thrown out of office.

Mass illegal alien amnesty would cause tremendous, irreversible damage to conservatism and to the country. If you want the rest of the country to become like California, then support mass illegal alien amnesty. It will eventually be impossible to elect a conservative president if this passes. It’s basically throwing away the country so that big business gets more cheap labor and the Democrats more voters.

We should be enforcing our immigration laws and securing the border. We have immigration laws for a reason.

bluegill on January 15, 2014 at 7:29 PM

“Resolve it” by saying we are going to follow the law, NO AMNESTY!

Ok, you can say this, we are going to put border security and and effective e-verify type system in place, and only AFTER that has been in place for at least 5+ years do we consider amnesty. Yeah, perhaps then we’ll do amnesty. But certainly not now.

anotherJoe on January 15, 2014 at 7:30 PM

Pass it,please,.Anyone praying for the death of the GOP(Gonadless Old Party)will be jumping for joy!It will be the straw that breaks the elephant’s trunk.Bye RINOs!
redware on January 15, 2014 at 7:26 PM

It would be more like, “bye bye, country!”

This must be stopped. This is bigger than merely the effect it would have on incumbents up for reelection. It would remake the entire electorate, and not for the better.

bluegill on January 15, 2014 at 7:31 PM

Roll Call ‏@rollcall 41m

GOP Leadership Tees Up Immigration for Retreat http://roll.cl/1b4mdQt via @MEPFuller
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GOP Leadership Tees Up Immigration for Retreat

By Matt Fuller Posted at 6:46 p.m. on Jan. 15
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House Republicans are poised to decide the fate of an immigration overhaul at their retreat in two weeks, according to lawmakers leaving a meeting with leadership on Wednesday.

After the House overwhelmingly passed the omnibus spending bill Wednesday, Republican leadership held a meeting in the basement of the Capitol with freshmen lawmakers to discuss a wide range of issues.

Present at the meeting — which is held about every two weeks — was Speaker John A. Boehner of Ohio, Majority Leader Eric Cantor of Virginia, Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy of California, GOP Conference Chairwoman Cathy McMorris Rodgers of Washington, and about 25 freshman Republicans.(More…….0)
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http://blogs.rollcall.com/218/gop-leadership-tees-up-immigration-for-retreat/

https://twitter.com/ROLLCALL?pos=rr

canopfor on January 15, 2014 at 7:31 PM

I’m going to go out on a limb and predict: Backlash.

That’s what we call… insight. =)

Stoic Patriot on January 15, 2014 at 7:31 PM

Apparently, making us pay double for our health insurance that pays half as good isn’t enough…we need more welfare recipients to save us or something.

trs on January 15, 2014 at 7:32 PM

Results for #immigration
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https://twitter.com/search?q=%23immigration&src=hash

canopfor on January 15, 2014 at 7:32 PM

Anyway. Lefty Greg Sargent thinks the GOP won’t agree to a special path to citizenship for illegals but might agree to legalizing illegals with an eye to letting them eventually apply for citizenship under existing channels. Do you find that implausible under a bill crafted by McConnell’s and Boehner’s teams?

I think they’ll float it as one of their proposals, but it won’t get anywhere. Any legalization of any kind, be it citizenship, permanent residence, or temporary status, amounts to amnesty.

If the GOP insists on touching the legalization flame, they’re going to keep getting burned.

Stoic Patriot on January 15, 2014 at 7:35 PM

If one wants to see US Immigration on the scale that the Dems/RINO’S
want,….just look at England right now!!!

canopfor on January 15, 2014 at 7:35 PM

I despise both parties right now.

Jack_Burton on January 15, 2014 at 7:39 PM

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canopfor on January 15, 2014 at 7:39 PM

Why is HA experiencing such low comment/traffic lately?

OmahaConservative on January 15, 2014 at 7:41 PM

I loathe the GOP. I’m not even against finding some solution to force illegal aliens to be recognized so that they don’t get special privileges anymore. But I’m wondering what happened to the GOP wanting to just talk about Obamacare and avoid any distractions from that? Are you telling me that was a load of BS they were sellin to justify selling out to the statists again?! The deuce you say!!

besser tot als rot on January 15, 2014 at 7:42 PM

Bought and paid for by special interests with lots of money.

VorDaj on January 15, 2014 at 7:43 PM

Let’s float some “principles” more lies and see if there’s a backlash from conservatives.

Wigglesworth on January 15, 2014 at 7:43 PM

For once in your lives, forget politics/winning and do what is best for our country! Just sickening!!!!

mobydutch on January 15, 2014 at 7:44 PM

GOP: working hard to get a new base. Pro tip to the GOP: get a new base before getting rid of the old one. I’m just sayin’.

besser tot als rot on January 15, 2014 at 7:45 PM

Why is HA experiencing such low comment/traffic lately?
OmahaConservative on January 15, 2014 at 7:41 PM

HotAir has veered to the left. For example, Ed, Guy Benson, AllahP and MKH have all expressed support for amnesty at some point now. It’s sad to see. And let’s not even mention Jazz. Only Erika hasn’t, that I’ve seen. Michelle Malkin’s HotAir this isn’t.

This site needs a shakeup. I don’t know if a few old-time bloggers will be put out to pasture, but I would love to see some actual passionate conservative bloggers as replacements if that happens.

bluegill on January 15, 2014 at 7:45 PM

What the hell is so DAMN HARD about securing the freaking border and then float whatever the hell they want around..

These guys are BRAIN DEAD!

katy on January 15, 2014 at 7:48 PM

We are not talking about immigration reform. Nothing is being proposed concerning our immigration policies.

WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS JUST HOW QUICK WE CAN GIVE AMNESTY TO THE ILLEGALS. That has nothing to do with immigration policy.

Happy Nomad on January 15, 2014 at 7:49 PM

Do you find that implausible under a bill crafted by McConnell’s and Boehner’s teams? If so, tell me why. I’m anxious to know.

Not really. Can’t imagine them walking away from the fight without getting full blown amnesty. With no enforcement provisions.

besser tot als rot on January 15, 2014 at 7:49 PM

canopfor on January 15, 2014 at 7:35 PM

exactly

CoffeeLover on January 15, 2014 at 7:49 PM

bluegill on January 15, 2014 at 7:45 PM

They definitely have. Notice how they are rarely critical of GOP establishment talking points and lies. You won’t see any hard hitting pieces on Boehner, Ryan, Rubio or anyone else for that matter unless of course they are mired in scandal like Christie. They own Twitchy now too so it is only a matter of time before that site steers clear of RINO ridicule.

Wigglesworth on January 15, 2014 at 7:50 PM

MeanWhile,…back at Team Democrat Ranch:

Congress debates immigration reform legislation
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White House: Obama met with Senate Democrats to discuss shared 2014 goals, including raising minimum wage, immigration reform, job growth – statement via @NBCNews
end of bulletin
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The White House, Washington, DC, US
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Senators leave White House after meeting with President Obama – @amieparnes
see original on twitter.com

canopfor on January 15, 2014 at 7:51 PM

Happy Nomad on January 15, 2014 at 7:49 PM

well put…
we have always had immigration policies….
they might not like them…but we have em…
they are not “broke”…

going2mars on January 15, 2014 at 7:51 PM

canopfor on January 15, 2014 at 7:35 PM

exactly

CoffeeLover on January 15, 2014 at 7:49 PM

CoffeeLover: With the latest influx of Romanian’s,its on a down-hill
grade:0

canopfor on January 15, 2014 at 7:51 PM

HotAir has veered to the left. For example, Ed, Guy Benson, AllahP and MKH have all expressed support for amnesty at some point now. It’s sad to see. And let’s not even mention Jazz. Only Erika hasn’t, that I’ve seen. Michelle Malkin’s HotAir this isn’t.

bluegill on January 15, 2014 at 7:45 PM

Had the same thought after reading a Malkin piece in the headlines the other day. And I’d just emphasize that the position on amnesty is just exemplary – the leftward march is by no means limited to that issue.

besser tot als rot on January 15, 2014 at 7:52 PM

Why is HA experiencing such low comment/traffic lately?
OmahaConservative on January 15, 2014 at 7:41 PM

Traffic is way down. See sitemeter

Murphy9 on January 15, 2014 at 7:53 PM

Like a lost dawg.

/ They have no idea what they’re in for.

Amazing.

Key West Reader on January 15, 2014 at 7:53 PM

Or we could just enforce the laws that are already on the books…

Cicero43 on January 15, 2014 at 7:53 PM

canopfor on January 15, 2014 at 7:51 PM

yup, only place that seems to be really tackling their immigration problem is Australia.

CoffeeLover on January 15, 2014 at 7:54 PM

http://www.house.gov/representatives/

Call them all, all the time, pass the word, e-mail, phone, word of mouth, facelessbook, twittering,, do not stop.

Use the word treason, do not let the little dopes whose dad is a big doner that answers the phone put you down.

They take the D.C. phones off the hook.

I got in to all of Boehners offices of his home dist. today.

The ones on the phone are getting a bit pissed.

To bad so sad.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on January 15, 2014 at 7:55 PM

Cicero43 on January 15, 2014 at 7:53 PM

O and/or Holder enforce our laws!!!!! O goes around and over and under our laws. And he now has a phone and a pen…./s

CoffeeLover on January 15, 2014 at 7:55 PM

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, ……………………….

News Taco ‏@TheNewsTaco 13m

U.S. Deported Around 369,000 Immigrants in 2013 http://ow.ly/sCpd0 #latino #latism #hispanic #immigration
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FY 2013 ICE Immigration Removals
Overview

In addition to its criminal investigative responsibilities, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) shares responsibility for enforcing the nation’s civil immigration laws with U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) and U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS). ICE’s role in the immigration enforcement system is focused on two primary missions: (1) the identification and apprehension of criminal aliens and other removable individuals located in the United States; and (2) the detention and removal of those individuals apprehended in the interior of the U.S., as well as those apprehended by CBP officers and agents patrolling our nation’s borders.

In executing these responsibilities, ICE has prioritized its limited resources on the identification and removal of criminal aliens and those apprehended at the border while attempting to unlawfully enter the United States. This report provides an overview of ICE Fiscal Year (FY) 2013 civil immigration enforcement and removal operations:

In FY 2013:(More…….)
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http://www.ice.gov/removal-statistics/index.htm

https://twitter.com/wwwICEgov

canopfor on January 15, 2014 at 7:57 PM

Is that a lame duck I hear quacking?

Robert_Paulson on January 15, 2014 at 8:00 PM

canopfor on January 15, 2014 at 7:51 PM

yup, only place that seems to be really tackling their immigration problem is Australia.

CoffeeLover on January 15, 2014 at 7:54 PM

CoffeeLover:Good point:)

canopfor on January 15, 2014 at 8:03 PM

There should be 2 messages from this, first the GOP has no leadership, none. Secondly, Boehner is no conservative. If Boehner were a conservative, he could have a conservative plan ready to trot out, get it worked up, send it to the floor for a vote, pass it and send it to the Senate. He has nothing and before he’s willing to commit to anything he wants to test the winds, just like a Clinton Democrat would.

COnservative plan, secure the border. Open 5 or so Ellis Islands, in the border states, designed to make it easier for foreigners, who want to come here and work, to get their green cards. Change the laws to make it easier for legal immigrants to go through the process. Make it tough for employers to hire illegals and make it tough to be illegal here. (You can only do this if you’re willing to make the commitment to make doing it legally easier). Set a time frame for those here illegally to apply for their green cards, since we’ll be opening extra facilities to process them, it should make it easier.

Now I’m not the Speaker of the House, but I believe that’s a good beginning, if you’re a conservative. Why can’t Boehner get to this point? He’s not a leader, for one, and he’s afraid to say anything because the Democrats and their media wing will go on the attack. In short, he’s a loser and, if he’s not careful, he’ll lose the House instead of getting the Senate.

bflat879 on January 15, 2014 at 8:05 PM

OH fer crying loud, you POS. Step the fark off the stage you blithering idiot of a crying as*hole.

/Be Blunt. It Works.

Key West Reader on January 15, 2014 at 8:05 PM

John Boehner:

“Look white guys and black guys. I’m in Congress so I’m thinking that i’m just going to go ahead and mandate that a minimum of 1.2 Million “immigrants” compete with you guys for jobs.”

They may not be his words, but that is JOHN BOEHNER’s vote.

Key West Reader on January 15, 2014 at 8:09 PM

The White House, Washington, DC, US
13m
Senators leave White House after meeting with President Obama – @amieparnes
see original on twitter.com

canopfor on January 15, 2014 at 7:51 PM

Most transparent administration ever!

Mimzey on January 15, 2014 at 8:17 PM

“We can win in 2014 without resolving it. We can’t win in 2016 without resolving it,” said Senate Minority Whip John Cornyn, R-Texas.

Lying POS. This is exactly why this clown needs to be primaried or defeated in the election. If he’s truly this clueless, he should not be helping to run this country.

xblade on January 15, 2014 at 8:18 PM

“We can win in 2014 without resolving it. We can’t win in 2016 without resolving it,” said Senate Minority Whip John Cornyn, R-Texas.

This is how somebody sounds when they have their head up their ass. Hispanics are never going to save the GOP. All this does is distract from the real solution which is winning larger percentage of white voters, especially the ones that stayed home in 2012.

Mark1971 on January 15, 2014 at 8:18 PM

the fall will be consumed with news of new plan cancellations and stump speeches about the folly of “if you like your plan.”

*sigh*

No, it won’t. You keep expecting that Obama’s going to let this speeding car crash into the wall just before the elections. He will not, and the GOP will be left standing there playing with themselves, getting no juice from an event that won’t happen until after the election.

Midas on January 15, 2014 at 8:19 PM

You want to know one of the biggest reason that DC wants to pass amnesty for illegal aliens and the DC cronies that have been illegally hiring them all these years instead of Americans? This is why:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/166844/government-itself-cited-top-problem.aspx

Because the American people are sick and tired of DC corruptocrats ruining the country and want to throw the incumbents out, so the corruptocrats want to stack the electorate to save themselves.

“We can win in 2014 without resolving it. We corrupt GOP incumbents can’t win in 2016 without resolving it.” /fixed

Well, then, the solution is to get rid of the corrupt GOP crony capitalists that everybody hates, not amnesty millions of illegal aliens to bailout corrupt DC politicians.

FloatingRock on January 15, 2014 at 8:22 PM

Blah, blah, blah, blah, cheap labor. Blah, blah, blah, votes. Blah, blah, blah, crony capitalism. Blah, blah, blah, lobbyist. Blah, blah, blah, campaign contributions. Blah, blah, blah, amnesty.

Vince on January 15, 2014 at 8:23 PM

If only we had some law-like thingies we could draw upon for those “principles.” If only.

Rational Thought on January 15, 2014 at 8:25 PM

Pass it,please,.Anyone praying for the death of the GOP(Gonadless Old Party)will be jumping for joy!It will be the straw that breaks the elephant’s trunk.Bye RINOs!

redware on January 15, 2014 at 7:26 PM

This. There are plenty of independents and democrats strongly against amnesty as well. Even the union rank and file aren’t keen on it as they know it will drive down their golden eggs. It is the elites of both parties driving amnesty forward, not the average working stiff.

AH_C on January 15, 2014 at 8:25 PM

Amnesty for illegals is a bailout for corrupt politicians and their cronies. If we let them bail themselves out the American people are screwed. If we stop them from bailing themselves out and amnestying their cronies then the American people are trending toward throwing the bums out and taking our government back.

FloatingRock on January 15, 2014 at 8:26 PM

Don’t bailout DC corruptions, let them fail. The country will be better off with less corruption. If we let them bail themselves and their cronies out then we’ll have more corruption and the American people will get screwed!

FloatingRock on January 15, 2014 at 8:29 PM

The original American Constitutional setup until the Supreme Court changed it in the 1840s and especially after the Civil War…… citizenship and immigration were matters for the states. It was NOT a federal matter at all. Proving once again, the federal government messes up everything it touches and that includes immigration as well.

I don’t think there’s any excuse EVER to give the federal government more power for any reason whatsoever! I don’t care what the excuse is. We need to be focused on decommissioning them.

roflmmfao

donabernathy on January 15, 2014 at 8:30 PM

Because Juan Amnesty McCain got so much Hispanic support in 2008- We must act now!

Valiant on January 15, 2014 at 8:31 PM

What are we “resolving” here? “Resolve” used to mean something other than surrendering to scofflaws and permanently minoritizing an already scapegoated race of people. Someone should publicly ask Cornyn if he thinks he has a lot of “resolve”.

Buddahpundit on January 15, 2014 at 8:33 PM

Get on the phone and tell them there WILL be a “backlash”.

Here’s another directory.

Here is the address of a PAC against immigration and their action steps.

Will any of you do this or just vent about it here while it all goes to $hit?

V7_Sport on January 15, 2014 at 8:46 PM

And yet …

… it’s never time for a Republican civil war.
… the whacko-birds need to pipe down and go along.
… we’ve got to keep going with that “most electable” thing (personally guilty).
… “purity tests” are a recipe for disaster.
… Republicans really have Conservatives best interests in mind. Really.
.
.
.
Horsesh**. No more.

M240H on January 15, 2014 at 8:48 PM

‘We can win in 2014 without resolving it. We can’t win in 2016 without resolving it,” said Senate Minority Whip John Cornyn, R-Texas.

“It” in this instance is the GOP lack of any defining principals save winning the next election, of course.

MTF on January 15, 2014 at 8:54 PM

HotAir has veered to the left. For example, Ed, Guy Benson, AllahP and MKH have all expressed support for amnesty at some point now. It’s sad to see. And let’s not even mention Jazz. Only Erika hasn’t, that I’ve seen. Michelle Malkin’s HotAir this isn’t.

This site needs a shakeup. I don’t know if a few old-time bloggers will be put out to pasture, but I would love to see some actual passionate conservative bloggers as replacements if that happens.

bluegill on January 15, 2014 at 7:45 PM

Preach it!

reddevil on January 15, 2014 at 8:54 PM

“We can win in 2014 without resolving it. We can’t win in 2016 without resolving it,” said Senate Minority Whip John Cornyn, R-Texas.

FU, treasonous scum.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 15, 2014 at 9:00 PM

Will any of you do this or just vent about it here while it all goes to $hit?

V7_Sport on January 15, 2014 at 8:46 PM

These are your boys. My days of voting GOP are all over. They’re looking to pick up illegals’ votes to replace mine (and the rest of the conservatives).

Have a blast with your buddies, Sport. They are treasonous filth and there’s nothing that’s going to change that.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 15, 2014 at 9:03 PM

So Boehner and Co. are going to dash together an amnesty plan at the last second that gives the Dems and the Chamber of Commerce everything they want and then some, run it up the flagpole, and then wait for the conservative “backlash” that they’ll just use, side-by-side with the CoC and the Dems, to tar us as “purists” and “extremists” and “racists” and “wacko-birds”. And they figure that this will make the illegals and the progressives suddenly love them or something.

I’m sure glad the “sane” ones are in charge. God only knows what kind of loser strategy would be cooked up if they weren’t.

Gator Country on January 15, 2014 at 9:11 PM

Boehner’s immigration strategy: Let’s float some “principles” and see if there’s a backlash from conservatives

I float something every morning and it smells about the same, Boehner.
Interior/exterior enforcement of the law, clean up the visa system for overstays. No freebies for illegals, take your spawn with you.
It’s not that tough.

AllahsNippleHair on January 15, 2014 at 9:14 PM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair

These are your boys. My days of voting GOP are all over.

Maybe you shouldn’t have expected that everything be done for you by someone else all along…

They’re looking to pick up illegals’ votes to replace mine (and the rest of the conservatives).

No, thy are going after “moderates” because there are people a few clowns who ironically, wrongly call themselves conservatives who have shown themselves to be the democrats best friends.

Have a blast with your buddies, Sport.

I’m not the guy who is needy enough to go along with the echo chamber or insecure enough to be persuaded to stay home in the face of an Obama presidency.

They are treasonous filth and there’s nothing that’s going to change that.

So were you one of the brain trust who decided it was a good idea to vote for Obama to bring about the collapse of the system? Or did you just stay home so you could thump your chest here? Either way, isn’t that treasonous? Yup, it is.
So, we can’t count on you to make calls or send e-mails… shocker. Well, there’s always ranting here to get political representation. Is that working well for you?

V7_Sport on January 15, 2014 at 9:18 PM

If the Institutional Republicans are going to do this, and they are; then let them do it NOW. Preferably before the primary filing deadlines [although I understand that even they are not that stupid], but if not then immediately after. It will be the death of the Republican Party whenever they do it, but if they do it sooner then there is a slight chance that by 2016 there will be a real opposition party under whatever name. If electoral politics have failed the country, then let the it be in our time so that we can try to fix things for our children.

Subotai Bahadur on January 15, 2014 at 9:20 PM

So were you one of the brain trust who decided it was a good idea to vote for Obama to bring about the collapse of the system? Or did you just stay home so you could thump your chest here? Either way, isn’t that treasonous? Yup, it is.

V7_Sport on January 15, 2014 at 9:18 PM

LOL. It’s good to know that your total ignorance about something doesn’t stop you from opining about it (and arguing … with yourself, evidently). Too funny, Sport.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 15, 2014 at 9:26 PM

I’m not going to play this hair-splitting game between “legalization” and citizenship. It’s all AMNESTY to me, and I will not bother myself to differentiate between Democrats and Republicans at the ballot box when there’s no real contrast between them.

I have to wonder, what’s the difference between, say.. Chris Christie and his last two Democrat rivals on this score? As it turns out, they were all willing to make the same pander to so-called “Dreamers”.

No. I’ll never vote for another damned Democrat as long as I live. But if the GOP thinks I won’t sit home and let them get munched, they’re out of their minds. This isn’t just one issue on a long list of myriad issues. This is core. Do you believe in the Rule of Law or don’t you? And if you don’t… what good are you to me? Go be a lawless Democrat. The result is the same.

Murf76 on January 15, 2014 at 9:34 PM

I wonder… when Republicans fail forevermore after passing Amnesty, will they blame the Conservatives?

Ukiah on January 15, 2014 at 9:38 PM

‘We can win in 2014 without resolving it. We can’t win in 2016 without resolving it,” said Senate Minority Whip John Cornyn, R-Texas.

WE CAN’T?? That sounds alot like “we give up”.
Go ahead then you coward…stop pussyfooting around.
Pass your “reforms” and get it over with. I’m hanging on to the GOP by a thread and I would just assume go ahead and move on to whatever party takes the place of the GOP.
At that point, no one will talk me into sticking with the party of “we can’t”.

lynncgb on January 15, 2014 at 9:41 PM

LOL. It’s good to know that your total ignorance about something doesn’t stop you from opining about it (and arguing … with yourself, evidently). Too funny, Sport.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 15, 2014 at 9:26 PM

And it’s sad to see that you are so wrapped up in your own need to assert yourself that you can’t be bothered to get off your ass to help the country. That may not cost you your right to complain but it does cost you your right to be taken seriously, especially as a conservative.

V7_Sport on January 15, 2014 at 9:42 PM

So were you one of the brain trust who decided it was a good idea to vote for Obama to bring about the collapse of the system? Or did you just stay home so you could thump your chest here? Either way, isn’t that treasonous? Yup, it is.

V7_Sport on January 15, 2014 at 9:18 PM

You’re losing the argument. Everyday more republicans are waking up and saying screw the GOP. If they ram this amnesty thru now or next year, the GOP is finished. This is big enough an issue that even some democrats and many indies will bail and vote a 3rd party where rolling back amnesty will be a major plank, It’s not a conservative or liberal policy, it is an establishment policy to keep themselves in cash & power just a little bit longer.

Bottomline, the bottom will fall out of this country when amnesty happens.

AH_C on January 15, 2014 at 9:45 PM

Okay…. “p.u.s.s.y.f.o.o.t.i.n.g.” may have triggered the HA shredder.

lynncgb on January 15, 2014 at 9:51 PM

AH_C on January 15, 2014 at 9:45 PM

I can’t speak for any but me, but yeah… amnesty is the last straw. I’ve made some GOP votes I had to hold my nose over, but if they do this, there’s no longer enough difference between the parties to bother with.

Murf76 on January 15, 2014 at 9:53 PM

AH_C on January 15, 2014 at 9:45 PM

You’re losing the argument. Everyday more republicans are waking up and saying screw the GOP. If they ram this amnesty thru now or next year, the GOP is finished.

So you won’t be aiding the effort to stop Amnesty either I take it. You too have advocated letting the country go to hell to destroy the GOP. How is not letting the country be ruined, or actively promoting it as you do with your copious amounts of free time, to get what you want not treason? You never were able to distinguish that from Timothy McViegh’s approach except for the degree that he was willing to take it. In terms of “the argument” I haven’t been trying to exploit peoples need to express their outrage at the cost of their supposed principles, maybe that;s where I have gone wrong, over estimating those who call themselves conservatives by appealing to reason rather than emotion.

This is big enough an issue that even some democrats and many indies will bail and vote a 3rd party …Bottomline, the bottom will fall out of this country when amnesty happens.

So in your fantasy land.. you win and the country loses. (What was it, the new whigs or something like that that you were pushing? Folks will be flocking to that, right? ) You ought to get out there with LaRaza, just advocating voting for Obama doesn’t seem to be destroying the country fast enough.

V7_Sport on January 15, 2014 at 10:03 PM

AH_C on January 15, 2014 at 9:45 PM

I can’t speak for any but me, but yeah… amnesty is the last straw. I’ve made some GOP votes I had to hold my nose over, but if they do this, there’s no longer enough difference between the parties to bother with.

Murf76 on January 15, 2014 at 9:53 PM

Do you plan on telling your congressman or just someone online, writing from his rec-room who wants you to vote for his third party, the democrats or to stay home?

V7_Sport on January 15, 2014 at 10:06 PM

“We can win in 2014 without resolving it. We can’t win in 2016 without resolving it,” said Senate Minority Whip John Cornyn, R-Texas.

WE CAN’T?? That sounds alot like “we give up”.

Go ahead you cowards, pass your reforms and quit playing around. My time, my work and my vote are hanging in with Republicans by a mere thread. At this point I would rather just go ahead and move on to whatever party that will take the place of the GOP.
Why would anyone support the party of “we can’t”?

lynncgb on January 15, 2014 at 10:14 PM

Go to Hell, all who’re for amnesty. YOU are all traitors.

Schadenfreude on January 15, 2014 at 11:22 PM

LOL! The government can’t manage a website but can manage the status and background-checks on 40 million illegals????
This joke is becoming a tragic comedy of errors.
Are these idiots actually trying to destroy our country or are the just plain dumb-as-a rock stupid?

shorebird on January 16, 2014 at 12:39 AM

Do you plan on telling your congressman or just someone online, writing from his rec-room who wants you to vote for his third party, the democrats or to stay home?

V7_Sport on January 15, 2014 at 10:06 PM

Heck yeah, I do. I’m one of those people who makes congressional peons hate their jobs every time this subject comes up. lol

That said, this is an issue where I won’t accept half a loaf. If the GOP goes for amnesty in any form whatsoever, they’ll do it without me.

Murf76 on January 16, 2014 at 1:22 AM

So you won’t be aiding the effort to stop Amnesty either I take it. You too have advocated letting the country go to hell to destroy the GOP. How is not letting the country be ruined, or actively promoting it as you do with your copious amounts of free time, to get what you want not treason? You never were able to distinguish that from Timothy McViegh’s approach except for the degree that he was willing to take it. In terms of “the argument” I haven’t been trying to exploit peoples need to express their outrage at the cost of their supposed principles, maybe that;s where I have gone wrong, over estimating those who call themselves conservatives by appealing to reason rather than emotion.

This is big enough an issue that even some democrats and many indies will bail and vote a 3rd party …Bottomline, the bottom will fall out of this country when amnesty happens.

So in your fantasy land.. you win and the country loses. (What was it, the new whigs or something like that that you were pushing? Folks will be flocking to that, right? ) You ought to get out there with LaRaza, just advocating voting for Obama doesn’t seem to be destroying the country fast enough.V7_Sport on January 15, 2014 at 10:03 PM

You’re an idiot just by your ranting and raving. If calling people traitors every time you don’t agree is “reasoning” then you need to grow up. Everyone has a vote to do with as they please. They don’t need your approval. I’ve been doing the numbersUSA for years now concerning amnesty. I cast my first vote for Reagan via absentee ballot from an airbase back in 80. I watched him run in 76 and saw how the GOPe pushed him aside for that idiot Ford. Since my dad couldn’t vote for him, he voted for Carter. So I suppose that makes him a traitor too. I’ve said it before and will say it again, your twisting of people’s, including mine to impugn the worst just shows how shallow you are. I’ll also say it again that you’re someone in the establishment’s sockpuppet.

And you wonder why the GOPe has a messaging problem. It’s because you can’t present a cogent reason for trusting the majority of so-called republicans in office beyond “because”. You mock the notion of a 3rd party and that’s ok with me because it only tells me you don’t understand history just as yojr grasp of the constitution and foundinv documents is far from crystalized. But do go on abusing everyone .

AH_C on January 16, 2014 at 2:15 AM

I wonder… when Republicans fail forevermore after passing Amnesty, will they blame the Conservatives?

Ukiah on January 15, 2014 at 9:38 PM

There won’t be a GOPe to blame conservatives. Not when the RINOs unilaterally become Democrats.

Myron Falwell on January 16, 2014 at 7:02 AM

I sure wish I was in his district, then I’d vote for Sal A. Mander.

If Colleen Truden is recalled or forced to resign, it wouldn’t be the first time a local district attorney has been pressured out of office.Twenty-five years ago, the citizens of Pitkin County were fed up with their top prosecutor.So at the polls in November 1980, they went with a slicker candidate. That’s right, they voted for a salamander.The lizard, it was believed, would send a message to the incumbent, Chuck Leidner. Leidner was planning controversial undercover police work that upper valley residents thought, and still think, to be nefarious.Sal A. Mander was the wiseass brainchild of cartoonist Chris Cassatt. He nominated Sal, who by then was familiar to Aspen Times’ readers, for a write-in campaign because Leidner was running unopposed for district attorney….

http://www.aspentimes.com/article/20050524/NEWS/105240010

An amphibian would do a better job then Boehner, as Boehner is anything but a conservative. I’m not real fond of my current representative, Pat Tiberi, but he’s much better than Boehner (both of Ohio).

sadatoni on January 16, 2014 at 8:33 AM

Replace liberal bootlickers like Boehner, Cantor, Goodlatte, and Ryan with some actual Republicans who demand enforcement of our laws — now that would be real reform.

DaMav on January 16, 2014 at 10:20 AM

Shorter Boehner:

“We need the illegal alien vote to replace the conservatives we’ve lost”

BobMbx on January 16, 2014 at 10:40 AM

Principle #1: I represent my constiuents, American citizens, not the citizens of any other country, and thus everytihng I do is focused on advancing the interests of those Americans first, ahead of all else, including the interests of politica parties.

drunyan8315 on January 16, 2014 at 10:48 AM

If House members are deluged with nothing but hate mail from their districts, Republicans might decide to do nothing but emphasize border security, perhaps even voting on the border bill produced last year.

That is, “do nothing” until Republicans gain control of the Senate.

Then they will tell all the voters to stuff it and go back to doing what they want.

Trust Boehner, Cantor, McCarthy, McConnell and Cornyn?

Not even to walk my dog.

Marcus Traianus on January 16, 2014 at 10:59 AM

Talk about an unforced error. Look, it’s really easy, each time a DemocRAT brings up amnesty, Republicans should bring up border security. Even squishy Republicans will shut right up about amnesty when you bring that up.

Knott Buyinit on January 16, 2014 at 11:01 AM

Float to Hades, you traitorous turkey of the land.

All who’re for amnesty are traitors to the legal citizens and their kids.

Schadenfreude on January 16, 2014 at 11:05 AM

I am going to agree with John here. Let’s float something, if this means in public and not behind the closed doors of caucus rooms. But that may be impossible without the opposition co-opting the ideas or the left wing networks putting out hit pieces on the process.

jake49 on January 16, 2014 at 11:13 AM

Do you plan on telling your congressman or just someone online, writing from his rec-room who wants you to vote for his third party, the democrats or to stay home?

V7_Sport on January 15, 2014 at 10:06 PM

Are you planning to tell your Congressman anything, and what will you tell him? I’m guessing that it’ll be along the lines of, “If the Republican leadership thinks we need to pass an amnesty bill now to get enough Latino and progressive votes for our side to win, then I’m in full support of it!”

Gator Country on January 16, 2014 at 11:21 AM

CoffeeLover: With the latest influx of Romanian’s,its on a down-hill
grade:0

canopfor on January 15, 2014 at 7:51 PM

If you will try to do some research about it a bit, you would learn that there is no influx of Romanians, just media-driven crazy. Romania is in EU for some time and who wanted to go in UK, they already did. I went, I saw, I left long time ago – nothing good happening there.

The ones who push this narrative are in fact two kinds: the ones who emigrated there 20 years ago (said ME and Asia) which are well entrenched into the welfare system, and the illiterate natives which can barely see the light of day between the many pints.

Also Romanians being Christians in overwhelming majority, it mess up with their social engineering effort over there in becoming the first Pakistani enclave in Europe.

Funny enough, our gipsies they fear also came into Romania from Asia, some 1000 years ago, so its just their old-lost relatives.

I saw a Daily Mail article on the subject, at it was basically written with no connection with reality whatsoever. I bet the nazi newspapers were printing the same drivel back in 1933, just on different people.

I hope you will appreciate Romanian sacrifices done in Iraq and Afghanistan supporting US idiotic dreams of reforming the un-reformable, and this despite the fact that US did not throw with money at us as it continues to do every year with countries where US has minimal support (Pakistan, Turkey, ME countries not speaking about Iraq and Afghanistan themselves).

There are probably 3 million Romanians working in Europe and 500.000 emigrated to US. If in Europe many are doing menial jobs, in US the vast majority are highly skilled individuals – ask Microsoft, IBM and others about them.

How often did you hear in US about Romanians being involved in something bad?

Rookie on January 16, 2014 at 11:22 AM

Why is HA experiencing such low comment/traffic lately?
OmahaConservative on January 15, 2014 at 7:41 PM

When is the last time Hot Air posted a principled post on an conservative position? It’s all gay, amnesty, GOPe all the time.

njrob on January 16, 2014 at 11:22 AM

Over

Schadenfreude on January 16, 2014 at 11:24 AM

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