Mike Huckabee: Isn’t it time we retire the term “RINO”?

posted at 4:41 pm on January 14, 2014 by Allahpundit

Apparently someone applied this term to Huck himself and it brought him up short. You’d think he’d be used to it after the millionth time.

I’m fine with swapping it out for another term, but how do I describe myself then? “Candy-ass … centrist”? That’s too vague. “Candy-ass … establishmentarian”? Better, but still a mouthful. Few substitutes have the pithy poetic zing of “candy-ass RINO.”

“Many of you used a term that I’d like to see outlawed from the vernacular of the party: RINO,” he said, calling it a “pejorative term” that questioned one’s purity…

“With all due respect, I’ve fought in the trenches of Republican politics for over two decades, but I wouldn’t pretend that I’m lord over determining who the real Republicans are versus the so-called RINOs,” he said…

Huckabee reminded his readers that Jesus once said that “a house divided against itself cannot stand,” referring to the Gospel of Matthew…

“I’d rather have a loyal dog who licks me than one with a pedigree who bites me,” he added. “I’d rather go to battle with someone who isn’t perfect than with someone who thinks he is.”

How Jesus ended up in a scolding about RINOs versus true cons, I don’t know. I don’t understand the dog analogy either. The point about conservatives and RINOs isn’t that the former has a “pedigree” and the latter doesn’t, it’s that the latter frequently advertise themselves as one thing and then vote as another. They’re the opposite of loyal. Although maybe that’s an insight into where Huck stands on all this. From the perspective of, say, John Boehner, it’s true — the RINOs are the loyal dog and tea partiers are the pedigreed ones who bite. How does that analogy work from the standpoint of conservative voters, though? Who would Huck’s erstwhile constituents in Arkansas regard as having more of a “pedigree,” tea-party freshmen or Beltway Republicans who’ve been in Washington gladhanding rich lobbyists for 25 years?

That’s a key irony about Huck, though: He’s really not a “RINO” in the sense that the term’s usually used these days. He’s no more a creature of the Beltway than those tea-party freshmen are; on the contrary, one of the core grievances of his 2008 campaign was that the GOP establishment disdains the sort of rural, religious, blue-collar voters that it purports to represent and that he connects with. He gets slapped with the “RINO” label because of his big-government heresies but there’s got to be another term to distinguish a social-conservative warrior from the sort of status-quo D.C. slicksters we all think of when the R-bomb is dropped. How about “Pope Francis Republican”? There’s a market for that out there. Not enough to get him close to the nomination in 2016 but enough to keep politics interesting.

Exit question: Isn’t there some support among tea partiers too for jettisoning increasingly outdated labels like “RINO”? Read this Erick Erickson post from October before you answer.

Update: A friend suggests “Eeyorepublican.” I could live with that.


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Just go away Huckster. If we want any really, really bad music, we’ll let you know.

bw222 on January 14, 2014 at 6:30 PM

Since the Republican party was created in opposition to slavery, the only RINO would be one who wants to bring that back.

Mister Mets on January 14, 2014 at 6:38 PM

Huck is full of crap.

Sherman1864 on January 14, 2014 at 6:39 PM

Next, he’ll want to retire the term “fatso.”

Right Wingnut on January 14, 2014 at 6:40 PM

Huckabee reminded his readers that Jesus once said that “a house divided against itself cannot stand,”

Republican politicians should think about that quote as they regularly vote against us and stand with the Democrats.

Not sure what you are referring to by “against us” – are you referring to against your brand of Republican policies or against Christians.

“Us” who used to believe that the Republican Party stood for a small federal government with enumerated powers, as few regulations as possible on the people and low spending and taxes. I’ve asked my Congressman’s DC and local office what he thinks the Republican Party stands for. It appears he can’t answer that question either.

Something else Republicans should consider, it’s a natural fact that when something or someone is without use they will be replaced. Republicans are largely useless.

RJL on January 14, 2014 at 6:47 PM

“I’d rather have a loyal dog who licks me than one with a pedigree who bites me,” he added. “I’d rather go to battle with someone who isn’t perfect than with someone who thinks he is.”

Whether it’s a loyal dog who licks him or one with a pedigree who bites him, keep the poor thing away from that mouth-breathing pantload son of his…especially is he’s carry a rope.

fitzfong on January 14, 2014 at 6:48 PM

Weasel Boehner, Teddy’s Friend Orrin Hatch, Dorko Rubio, Miss Lindsey, The Maine Twins Collins and Snowe-job, McVain, DNC’s newest contributor Grins Lugar, Snarlin’ Arlen, Jumpin’ Jim Jeffords….

Nah, get rid of the RINOs first then we’ll talk about the term in past tense.

viking01 on January 14, 2014 at 6:57 PM

When a Republican starts using the term “purity test” disparagingly and whines about “purists”, you know they’re an untrustworthy RINO and Establishment lackey.

bluegill on January 14, 2014 at 6:59 PM

Mike Huckabee: Isn’t it time we retire the term “RINO”?

…ok Fuckabee!…”ShitHeads” works for me!
.
…then we can market hats like the CheeseHead hats in Wisconsin…only make them look like there’s a pile of shit on top…instead of cheese! …..then we can send those hats… to whom we deem!

KOOLAID2 on January 14, 2014 at 7:04 PM

Perhaps that is what precipitated this rant…

A search for

Mike Huckabee Rino

yields 65,900 results in in 0.36 seconds.

https://www.google.com/#q=mike+huckabee+rino

Right Wingnut on January 14, 2014 at 7:05 PM

“Rosebud”

socalcon on January 14, 2014 at 7:06 PM

How Jesus ended up in a scolding about RINOs versus true cons, I don’t know. I don’t understand the dog analogy either.

Yeah, it’s interesting how Jesus shows up to support Evangelical Rinoism. If you don’t go along with them then YOU’RE GOING TO BURN IN HELL!

Come to think of it, the Communists pretty much do the same thing.

A co-opted, politicized Jesus.

Hm.

Dr. ZhivBlago on January 14, 2014 at 7:06 PM

You retire first Huck,and then we’ll see.RINO is really much less relevant now anyway.It’s all about the CINOs,since the GOP and conservatism are hardly synonomous,nowadays.Really,we should be looking for an effective vehicle for advancing our agenda,don’t you think.Certainly the Huckster and 90% of the GOP don’t fit the bill.

redware on January 14, 2014 at 7:09 PM

He’s right, the term Republican these days doesn’t stand for anything except Democrat-Lite.

Ukiah on January 14, 2014 at 7:11 PM

Mike Huckabee: Isn’t it time we retire the term “RINO”?

I’m thinking that it’s time to retire RINOs.

cajunpatriot on January 14, 2014 at 7:12 PM

And it should be clear that if Huckabee does enter the race it will be at the behest of the GOP establishment CINOs,or at least with their gleeful blessing,as Huckabee will once again herd his evangelical sheep into his Iowa and South Carolina tents,dividing the conservative vote so one of Allahpundits peeps wins the nomination(and of course,loses the election).

redware on January 14, 2014 at 7:13 PM

Dear Governor Huckabee,

I am sorry to hear that the mirror you’ve finally decided to look at has bothered you so. Perhaps you should just drop the pretense already and join the Democrat Party. After all, they agree with your oft stated positions on hiking the minimum wage, indexing to inflation, passing legislation to limit executive pay and other federal incursions into the marketplace, increasing the federal regulatory behemoth, and many other positions that the GOP has promised us mere little folk that they’d forever be vigilant in fighting against.

Warmest regards,

John

Flyovercountry on January 14, 2014 at 7:15 PM

Awww/. The truth can sometimes be so painful.

stenwin77 on January 14, 2014 at 7:16 PM

Aww, how cute, famous RINO doesn’t like being called out for what he is. GTFA DB!

Doomsday on January 14, 2014 at 7:17 PM

Statist. Huckabee is a statist. Just like all the Democrats. Maybe he wants marginally less state power over the people than the Democrats do. But I’m not sure.

besser tot als rot on January 14, 2014 at 7:18 PM

Mike Huckabee: Isn’t it time we retire the term “RINO”?

…ok Phuckabee!…”SHITHEADS” works for me!
.
…then we can market hats that look like the Wisconsin “CHEESEHEAD” hats…only make it look like there’s a pile of shit…and send them… to whom we deem!

KOOLAID2 on January 14, 2014 at 7:22 PM

“Oh, they up and call me Speedo, but my real name is Mr. Earl.”

But seriously, folks (heh!, Huckabee is a social con who believes in Big Government “solutions” for addressing the nation’s governance. He is wrong, and he is acting contrary to the Founding Fathers’ principles and the Constitution.

When he referred to the Club for Growth as the Club for Greed, he revealed his true colors.

Let’s just call Huckabee “The Spoiler.”

onlineanalyst on January 14, 2014 at 7:33 PM

Since the Republican party was created in opposition to slavery, the only RINO would be one who wants to bring that back.

Mister Mets on January 14, 2014 at 6:38 PM

And what is serfdom but another form of economic slavery. This is what statist want – Bigger Govt = Less Liberty for the masses. Every day, you have statistically committed 3 felonies. That means whenever you displease the elites, if they dig hard enough, they will find enough to crucify you. Is this what generations have fought for to protect the constitution only to be brought down to nothing more than a serf so that these RINOs can stand on our numb bodies and win another election?

As for Schmuckabee, go away, RINO.

AH_C on January 14, 2014 at 7:35 PM

I like Huckabee and I hope he runs for POTUS. That said, there’s no reason to eliminate the term “RINO.” It refers to someone who claims affiliation with the Republican party, but doesn’t actually support any of its principles.

Stoic Patriot on January 14, 2014 at 7:36 PM

How about “Pope Francis Republican”?

Non-Ecclesiastical Franciscans?

Stoic Patriot on January 14, 2014 at 7:38 PM

How many RINO’s do you know who strongly support the second amendment, stand up proudly for traditional marriage and the right to life, want to repeal the 16th and 17th amendments, call for a strong national defense and strengthening the border? The truth is, Mike Huckabee is one of the better Republicans. He’s just not a libertarian and he admits it, though he holds most of the same positions.

I think you’ll find that Mike’s positions will be the same or better as/than anybody else who stands up to run. And what you’ll see is though they share the same ideology, Huckabee just sells it better, and less frighteningly. The man is a constitutional conservative…he’s just not angry about it. Don’t let his style fool you… he will make more things happen than any doctrinaire purist like Cruz ever could! Know this: Mike Huckabee is a salesman. He is the softer side of severe conservatism. And he will knife the Left in the back and smile while doing it. And the masses will cheer him on because he’s likeable.
What good is it to get true-con elected if they can’t do anything? It’s electoral impotence. In the culture of endless punditry , I get a sense that what these people who throw around the term RINO are looking for is a tough-guy bomb thrower to score points in the theater of political entertainment rather than someone who will actually win against the Left. It’s like professional wrestling.

To my friends on the Right, please don’t let yourself fall into the trap of letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. I know you’ve heard that all too often, but really digest it and let it sink in. In these dark times, it’s very easy to allow yourself to see only black and white, liberty and tyranny. Unfortunately, politics is an art form that employs many shades of grey. Granted, in your personal ideology you can look at an issue and say that this position is liberal and evil, and this position is conservative and right. But also be aware that the art of politicking doesn’t always permit that level of certitude. Elections must be won. It is impossible for the Conservative Movement to make any gains while Democrats are in power. Knowing that, is it very wise to primary a sitting Republican senator in a safe seat?

ceruleanblue on January 14, 2014 at 7:41 PM

How do you feel abou t treasonous sh*t-bag? No? GDMFA?

S. D. on January 14, 2014 at 7:46 PM

ceruleanblue on January 14, 2014 at 7:41 PM

From your lips to God’s ears.

Stoic Patriot on January 14, 2014 at 7:46 PM

ceruleanblue on January 14, 2014 at 7:41 PM

Huckabee supports illegal alien amnesty.

Huckabee’s record as governor should fill conservatives with alarm:
http://theliberalslies.blogspot.com/2007/12/mike-huckabee-arkansas-record.html?m=1

Illegal immigration – In his 2005 State of the State address to the Arkansas Legislature Huckabee complained that illegal aliens could NOT get state funded financial support for college tuition. He supported a 2005 bill that would allow illegal aliens to be eligible for scholarships and in state tuition while opposing a bill that same year that would deny state benefits to illegal aliens.

Huckabee’s argument was that illegals pay more taxes than the benefits they receive, “They pay fuel taxes. If they’re using a FAKE SOCIAL SECURITY number, they’re paying Social Security taxes and will never receive any benefit.”

In 2006 a Mexican consultant opened an office in the State Capitol of Little Rock to assist illegals in finding jobs and receiving benefits. Huckabee strongly supported the office. with $10, 000 dollars from his own pocket and another $50, 000 from the Governors state emergency fund in more than 20 contributions before he left office.

bluegill on January 14, 2014 at 7:56 PM

“Many of you used a term that I’d like to see outlawed from the vernacular of the party: RINO,” he said, calling it a “pejorative term” that questioned one’s purity…

Dear Mike;

It’s not Purity that’s been measured – It Is Loyalty.

Do they have our back – or their hand in our back pocket?

Will they push back against Liberalism – or will they just run it better than the dems?

I have a much better Idea Mike – Let’s Retire the RINOs.

jaydee_007 on January 14, 2014 at 8:00 PM

He’s Bill Clinton in another suit, and without Her Thighness – the fact that he has the covering as a former pastor makes it just that much more insidious. There have to be some real small-government ideas tucked into that pro-life, anti-gay marriage package. So far, I haven’t seen a one.

jclittlep on January 14, 2014 at 8:00 PM

VIDEO: Huckabee says opposition to amnesty is “race baiting”(my apologies for the background music… I didn’t edit this):
http://youtu.be/ypdd0AKJ_Qs

bluegill on January 14, 2014 at 8:00 PM

VIDEO: Huckabee says opposition to amnesty is RACISM, supports benefits for illegal aliens
http://youtu.be/X7qUy0rFars

bluegill on January 14, 2014 at 8:04 PM

I like Huckabee and I hope he runs for POTUS. That said, there’s no reason to eliminate the term “RINO.” It refers to someone who claims affiliation with the Republican party, but doesn’t actually support any of its principles.

Stoic Patriot on January 14, 2014 at 7:36 PM

You love Huckabee because you are a Statist Democrat that loves Jesus.

antisense on January 14, 2014 at 8:22 PM

“Candy-ass … centrist”? That’s too vague. “Candy-ass … establishmentarian”? Better, but still a mouthful. Few substitutes have the pithy poetic zing of “candy-ass RINO.”

Heh, Candy-ass Spoiler. He thinks he is going to be a real candidate in the next primary. He’ll be there to make the establishment candidates look almost real

“I’d rather have a loyal dog who licks me than one with a pedigree who bites me,” he added.

Is that what they said when they recruited him?

I disagree with Red State:

In any event, the real fight within the Republican Party now is between those who believe we actually are at the moment of crisis — existential or otherwise — and thereby must fight as we’ve never fought before and those who think the GOP can bide its time and make things right.

RINOs don’t see loss of liberty as a crisis. Not their issue.

Ultimately though, and this is the key everybody is missing, we have arrived at this point because the leadership of the party has fundraised off its opposition to Obamacare in two campaign cycles, but has never aggressively sought to oppose it legislatively.

It is bigger than that. The RINOs left the tea party out to dry before the last election. They were not about to invigorate the tea party by fighting Obamacare. It was always about Amnesty. The Tea Party is the crisis to the RINOs and their final solution is Amnesty

Obamacare and amnesty both favor Establishment, keep new business competition from growing, weaken the little people by forcing them into the dependency class, and reduce sovereignty

entagor on January 14, 2014 at 8:29 PM

You love Huckabee because you are a Statist Democrat that loves Jesus.

antisense on January 14, 2014 at 8:22 PM

I’d never pass for a Democrat. Being against abortion, for the death penalty, against drug legalization, against amnesty, against cap and trade, against affirmative action, for corporal punishment, for mandatory minimum sentences, and a whole host of other things has gotten me permanently disqualified from the Democrats. Not to mention opposing genetic engineering and other “reproductive rights” practices like sperm/ova banks and the commoditization of human beings.

Being an atheist, I can’t say that I have much love for Jesus either. I never liked that “turn the other cheek” rhetoric (although “sons of vipers!” is admittedly cool)

As for being a statist, I believe in using the power of the state to achieve moral and virtuous ends. If that makes me a statist then yes, I’m a statist.

Stoic Patriot on January 14, 2014 at 8:33 PM

I have an idea! Let’s retire the RINOS…

conservativeBC on January 14, 2014 at 8:34 PM

When the RINOs retire from Congress, we will stop using the term. Until then, wear it with pride, Huckabee. Just remember how much these clowns cut spending and reduced the size of government when we gave them the House, Senate, and WH back in 2002.

Oh, wait! They GREW spending and the size of government! My bad. Is it “purity” to ask that they live up to their own professed platform?
“Hypocritical @sshats” is too long to write.

Wino on January 14, 2014 at 8:49 PM

RINO is a lot more flattering then some of the words that I call these worthless political clowns. If Huckabee does not like being called a RINO, he should quit masquerading like a Republican and join the Democrats in body and soul, how about “honesty is the best policy”.

savage24 on January 14, 2014 at 8:50 PM

Its not about purity. That is such crap. Nobody is pure. Or even 99.44% pure as Ivory would say. Its about needing something more then 02% pure as Chris Christie might say. Or someone less then 98% in agreement with a Cuomo.

KMav on January 14, 2014 at 8:58 PM

How Jesus ended up in a scolding about RINOs versus true cons, I don’t know.

The Huckster thinks he’s Elmer Gantry.

bw222 on January 14, 2014 at 9:05 PM

Speaking of RINO’s and such:

OT: It’s on! The first primary of 2014 (GOPe wins over Tea Party candidate):

David Jolly Wins Pinellas County GOP Congressional Primary

Jolly had the backing of much of the Republican leadership in Pinellas County, including Beverly Young, the congressman’s widow. Peters had the support, among others, of state Sen. Jack Latvala, R-St. Petersburg, while former U.S. Rep. Allen West, R-Fla., helped solidify Bircher’s tea party credentials.

Democrats quickly fired away at the new nominee. “The choice for voters in Pinellas County couldn’t be more clear: Alex Sink, a business leader and common-sense problem solver, and David Jolly, a Washington, D.C., lobbyist who worked as a shill for the highest-bidding special interest,” said Andy Stone, a spokesman for House Majority PAC, a Democratic super-PAC.

kcewa on January 14, 2014 at 9:09 PM

As for being a statist, I believe in using the power of the state to achieve moral and virtuous ends. If that makes me a statist then yes, I’m a statist.

Stoic Patriot on January 14, 2014 at 8:33 PM

What power, and by what means wielded, are the “moral and virtuous ends” achieved?
Just curious.

Mimzey on January 14, 2014 at 9:23 PM

When a Republican starts using the term “purity test” disparagingly and whines about “purists”, you know they’re an untrustworthy RINO and Establishment lackey.

bluegill on January 14, 2014 at 6:59 PM

Yep.

SparkPlug on January 14, 2014 at 9:23 PM

It’s time we retired the term RINO once and for all.

out: Rino

In: effin RINO

The effin RINOS need to quit being so hypersensitive and thicken their skin.

/Hobbits

SparkPlug on January 14, 2014 at 9:28 PM

What power, and by what means wielded, are the “moral and virtuous ends” achieved?
Just curious.

Mimzey on January 14, 2014 at 9:23 PM

Through governmental power granted via legislative means.

Stoic Patriot on January 14, 2014 at 9:29 PM

Through governmental power granted via legislative means.

Stoic Patriot on January 14, 2014 at 9:29 PM

Manifested how??
Can you give an example?

Mimzey on January 14, 2014 at 9:39 PM

“Many of you used a term that I’d like to see outlawed from the vernacular of the party: RINO,” he said, calling it a “pejorative term” that questioned one’s purity…

Looks like we can add anti 1st amendment to a list of Huck’s flaws.

Being a big amnesty shill, Huck is anti law and ignores one of the main functions of the federal government which is to defend our borders.

Ibanez Lotus on January 14, 2014 at 9:40 PM

ceruleanblue on January 14, 2014 at 7:41 PM

Don’t get all starry-eyed for a Schmuckabee presidential run until you google Maurice Clemmons.
http://tinyurl.com/keb5e93

entropent on January 14, 2014 at 9:40 PM

Manifested how??
Can you give an example?

Mimzey on January 14, 2014 at 9:39 PM

Sure. Let’s consider drugs as just one example. We think that drug-use induces a loss of self-control, meaning people cease to be responsible agents, thereby needlessly and recklessly endangering both themselves and others.

We therefore propose and pass a law that prohibits the sale, possession, or use of certain intoxicants, like say, marijuana. When people are found to be in violation of such a law, we prescribe a certain set of punishments per criminal statutes. We then grant law enforcement agencies the power to enforce said statutes, and courts the ability to render the sentences set forth in the law.

In the event that someone is found to sell, possess, or use marijuana then, the police arrest the individual, bring charges, and that person has their day in court. The defendant is allowed to make his case disputing the police’s claims, while the police introduce their evidence tying the person to the alleged crime. The court then assesses what the verdict ought to be given the weight of evidence and the criterion of reasonable doubt, and in the event of a guilty verdict, follows up with determining an appropriate sentence as provided for by the law.

Stoic Patriot on January 14, 2014 at 9:47 PM

I’d rather have a loyal dog who licks me than one with a pedigree who bites me,

RINOs must be AKC certified now?

faraway on January 14, 2014 at 9:50 PM

Mike Huckabee: Isn’t it time we retire the term “RINO”?

Yes: right after we retire ALL the RINO’s!!!

We’re working on it, Mike!!!

landlines on January 14, 2014 at 9:51 PM

“Many of you used a term that I’d like to see outlawed from the vernacular of the party: RINO,” he said, calling it a “pejorative term” that questioned one’s purity…
Again, it’s not measuring purity. The term implies that you fail to meet even the basic standard of conservative policies.

Hey, Huck, you should stop using the pejorative term, “purity.”

blink on January 14, 2014 at 6:36 PM

Yep. Im sick of this “purity” talk. Nobody expects god-darned purity. Purity is a term used to construct straw men and to dismiss genuine grievances as unrealistic and petty.

RightKlik on January 14, 2014 at 10:06 PM

Stoic Patriot on January 14, 2014 at 9:47 PM

…and the other side of the issue claims that they represent “moral and virtuous ends.”
….but that’s sooo 70′s. What are some more current issues you would encourage governmental clout be applied?

Mimzey on January 14, 2014 at 10:08 PM

Didn’t Tyra Banks say we should replace the term “fat” with “ferociously real”?

Maybe we could replace the term “RINO” with “ferocious sell out”.

RightKlik on January 14, 2014 at 10:13 PM

Knowing that, is it very wise to primary a sitting Republican senator in a safe seat?

ceruleanblue on January 14, 2014 at 7:41 PM

If it’s a safe seat, why are you worried about someone else stepping up during the primary? Said senator should win handily, right?

Midas on January 14, 2014 at 10:14 PM

Has Huckabee objected to other terms of Republican infighting endearment – like wackobirds, hobbits, hostage-takers, etc? You know – the ones thrown routinely at conservatives during the RINO-version of evil ‘purity tests’?

Just curious.

Midas on January 14, 2014 at 10:19 PM

/Hobbits

SparkPlug on January 14, 2014 at 9:28 PM

I had forgotten that particular attempt at a slur. Then again, the hobbits were the ones who defeated the vast evil that was pervading the land, while those who were supposed to be in power were fighting a battle that they could not win.

Sounds fairly accurate to me.

Signed,
Proud to be a Hobbit

Wino on January 14, 2014 at 10:21 PM

I have lost all faith in the GOP as an institution.

It is worthless, and deserves to be destroyed.

WisCon on January 14, 2014 at 10:21 PM

Purity is a term used to construct straw men and to dismiss genuine grievances as unrealistic and petty.

RightKlik on January 14, 2014 at 10:06 PM

Bingo. The only people who speak (pejoratively) of “purity” are RINOs. Purity is the coin of their realm.

Jaibones on January 14, 2014 at 10:23 PM

Let Chris CHristie, Mike Hukaabe and Jeb Bush Sumo wrestle for the nomination. We can call it battle of the yellow bellies. It’ll be fun and better then just letting the GOPe pick one. Sumo wrestling pols well among the 18-34 demo and will definitely attract the Hispanic voters. Just a thought.

BoxHead1 on January 14, 2014 at 10:23 PM

No – I don’t think we should “retire” the appropriate term “RINO”

….we should just make sure it’s used at least three times in every sentence when talking to or about you…

RINO Mike Huckabee, has a RINO position which ensures that RINOs get RINO’d for every RINO that they beget as RINO children…..RINO!!

williamg on January 14, 2014 at 10:24 PM

…and the other side of the issue claims that they represent “moral and virtuous ends.”
….but that’s sooo 70′s. What are some more current issues you would encourage governmental clout be applied?

Mimzey on January 14, 2014 at 10:08 PM

Actually, I think you’d be hard pressed to find the left calling themselves moral or virtuous, given that SCOTUS openly said that any law based on morality is invalid (see Lawrence v Texas, a case that liberals love), the fact that Wendy Davis’ supporters chanted “Hail Satan” outside the Texas state legislature in favor of abortion, and that they’d consider virtue the purview of old fuddy-duddies.

Regarding current issues to apply governmental clout, much of where I’d like to see applications wouldn’t be so much new but reversing the decisions to do away with previous applications.

As for the application of governmental clout, I’d encourage that it be applied to abortion by outlawing abortion once brainwaves are present in infants with the exception of the possibility of endangering the life of the mother (e.g., an ectopic pregnancy exemption).

I also would stress the continued use of the death penalty for vicious criminals, and I would want to revisit the case in which SCOTUS said that it was “cruel and unusual” to put child rapists to death in Louisiana.

I want to see the border secured, and those already here illegally given the same treatment as illegal immigrants into Mexico receive: 2 years in prison for the first offense, and 10 years for every subsequent offense, with each capture followed by deportation.

I would like to see anti-adultery laws enforced, which are currently on the books in 23 states but are effectively ignored. There is no reason that we should treat a dispute over other
contracts regarding property as something which is taken to court, but our conduct towards one another as essentially a laugh.
I would like to see corporal punishment return, both in the judicial system as well as in the educational system (but obviously with far different severity and means provided for). To the end we’re discussing marriage, I would also like to see no-fault divorce brought to an end and gay marriages rendered null and void.

I would like to see prohibitions enacted against the cloning and genetic engineering of human beings, which exists on just the other side of science fiction and looms over us. In a similar vein, I would like to see an explicit prohibition on the purchase of stock in people themselves (with the blurring of the line between corporations and people, some are taking it on themselves to claim that since corporations are people and offer stock ownership in them, a similar concept can be applied to people, which raises the eerie question of a reemergence of slavery in a new form)

I would like to see FCC regulations enforced and not simply skewered by the courts. That means no more “wardrobe malfunctions,” and when outfits like MTV have foreknowledge that they’re going to be in violation, to have financial penalties actually hit rather than be waived.

I would like to see the police more forcefully crack down on rioters after sporting events. There is no reason that a city, should its team win or lose, respond to the event by turning over vehicles or setting them on fire.

I can provide others if desired, but that’s a start.

Stoic Patriot on January 14, 2014 at 10:25 PM

KOOLAID2 on January 14, 2014 at 7:04 PM

KOOLAID2 on January 14, 2014 at 7:22 PM

…not a double post…changed a couple of letters for a… l o n g…moderation.

KOOLAID2 on January 14, 2014 at 10:32 PM

I’m not sure I want to get rid of the term RINO, but I am reasonably sure Huck is not a RINO. He’s stated the conservative position more, and much better, on Fox that those establishment Republicans in D.C. who are supposed to be there for their constituents. The term RINO does have it’s place, but I’d be more inclined to call someone like Bloomberg and Whitehouse RINO’s because they very seldom spouted a Republican thought and, more than likely, just said they were Republicans to run against a Democrat.

RINO’s you can understand. Many are liberals, on social issues, and can be swayed by the Democrats on fiscal issues. Once you hit the stage where you’re just not a dependable vote, you’re a RINO. However, there’s a more serious disease inside the beltway it’s called the “Establishment Republican” who I believe has been there so long he’s no longer in touch with his constituents. Sure, they’re in touch with people inside their districts, but it’s generally a small circle of friends who tend to reinforce their thoughts. That’s why Boehner and the rest refuse to go after the IRS about going after the tea party, many of them are glad they did.

So, I believe the RINO’s are in touch with their districts since they’re from liberal areas anyway, but the establishment, they’ve lost touch with their districts and believe they have to do things a certain way and not fight the system. The system is their friend and they’re afraid to make waves. Establishment Republicans are the worst because establishment Democrats are consistent with how they handle legislation. They hate Republicans and will do anything to win. Republicans, on the other hand, want to get along and will screw the country and shuck their values, to show just how bi-partisan they can be. When is the last time you saw Nancy Pelosi, Steny Hoyer, or CHris VanHollen being bi-partisan? Does anyone expect them to be? No, but they’re always after the Republicans and the Republicans give in more often than not.

Same goes in the Senate.When is the last time you saw Harry Reid, Chuck Schumer, or Dick Durbin do anything bi-partisan? Oh, they say they are and the press will never point out why they’re not, but just sit back and tell me when they’ve ever done anything bi-partisan. If the Republicans really want to do the right thing, the first thing they have to learn is how to win. RINO’s will never win, never. You don’t win with Democrats by being bi-partisan and going along with them, you only win the way they do, by forcing you will on them, by any means possible.

So, Huck, terms are terms and there is a difference but don’t get too upset. As long as they don’t call you an establishment Republican you’re all set.

bflat879 on January 14, 2014 at 10:34 PM

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williamg on January 14, 2014 at 10:43 PM

Let’s just retire the word “Huckabee”.

virgo on January 14, 2014 at 11:10 PM

Where is cschande?

Huckabee needs some love.

Schadenfreude on January 14, 2014 at 11:20 PM

Mike Huckabee, WHINO.

That’s a RINO with a wisp lisp.

Shy Guy on January 14, 2014 at 11:24 PM

If you are conservative and a Republican, then you are the RINO. The party shares none of your beliefs.

Valiant on January 14, 2014 at 11:38 PM

Huck got it wrong.

He’s the dog that barks like a SOB and then licks the burglar.

IndieDogg on January 14, 2014 at 11:41 PM

Time to retire RINOs.

AshleyTKing on January 14, 2014 at 11:53 PM

According to the Purity Police, 99% of elected Republicans and long-time activists are RINOs. Only the Purity Police are “true” Republicans.

What’s really funny is how they try to claim Reagan. Imagine a former Democrat and union officer running for the GOP nomination today after signing the nation’s most liberal abortion law, approving the biggest spending in his state’s history, and entering into several expensive “Public-private partnerships” which used taxpayer money for private developments. Can’t you just hear the “RINO” cries?

When they call Boehner a RINO, I know they are nuts. ACU (oldest conservative rating group and sponsors of CPAC) rated Boehner the 8th most conservative member of the House from 2001-2011.

The lunatic fringe is NOT “the base.” At least not other than on internet comment threads. They only think they are the base because they pat each other on the back for being the first to call lifelong conservative Republicans “RINO”.

Adjoran on January 14, 2014 at 11:59 PM

Purity is a term used to construct straw men and to dismiss genuine grievances as unrealistic and petty.
RightKlik on January 14, 2014 at 10:06 PM

Absolutely right.

bluegill on January 15, 2014 at 12:14 AM

Establishment Republican!

shorebird on January 15, 2014 at 12:47 AM

Let’s review:

Socialists are liberals
Progressives are full blown communists
RINO’s are fake Republicans who say one thing then do another, aka LIARS

It must be that most people in America had really lousy parents. I believe that because my parents brought me up to have standards I was willing to stand up for no matter what, and to shun the stupid notion that there are ‘gray areas’ in morality. Today I seem to be in the minority.

I was taught that liars can never be trusted and that when my uncles died fighting the communists it was a worthy cause they fought and died for.

I was taught that America was the land of opportunity because of the freedoms protected in our Constitution and that those freedoms guaranteed everyone a fair chance to get ahead just as long as we worked hard and obeyed our laws like decent citizens.

Today the leaders in the party I’m registered with is shoving Democrat ‘Care’ taxes down our throats whether we have it or not, working to break our laws designed to keep us all safe by offering Amnesty to any person who succeeded in breaking our laws without any consideration of why they are here in the first place, and are preparing to legalize more destructive spending resulting in higher deficits that we will ALL eventually be forced to pay for via higher taxes.

No American loses their rights. They give them away willingly and then scream louder than little girls with skinned knees when they discover they don’t like sleeping in the beds they made for themselves.

At least the people of Egypt were willing to fight for their freedoms.

DannoJyd on January 15, 2014 at 2:11 AM

RINO? I prefer the term Undocumented Democrat!

bigmike on January 15, 2014 at 2:57 AM

Ri, no.

profitsbeard on January 15, 2014 at 3:47 AM

by all means, let’s retire RINO.

I prefer “quisling”, as it is far more fitting.

warhorse_03826 on January 15, 2014 at 4:38 AM

I agree with Huckabee. We should abandon the term “rino”. The term derives from the mistaken opinion that the existence of liberals or progressives in the Republican Party are somehow deviations from the norm.

How can anybody who has paid attention to politics over the last years seriously believe that? How can anybody believe that conservatism is the norm in a party that cuts pension benefits for veterans at the same time as it legislates new handouts for illegal aliens? And stuff like that gets 75% majorities in the allegedly TEA-Party-crazed Republican House Conference.

If anything, conservatives are the rinos in the Republican Party and I certainly dont count Mike-felon-hugger-Huckabbee as one.

Valkyriepundit on January 15, 2014 at 4:41 AM

To my friends on the Right, please don’t let yourself fall into the trap of letting the perfect be the enemy of the good. I know you’ve heard that all too often, but really digest it and let it sink in. In these dark times, it’s very easy to allow yourself to see only black and white, liberty and tyranny. Unfortunately, politics is an art form that employs many shades of grey. Granted, in your personal ideology you can look at an issue and say that this position is liberal and evil, and this position is conservative and right. But also be aware that the art of politicking doesn’t always permit that level of certitude. Elections must be won. It is impossible for the Conservative Movement to make any gains while Democrats are in power. Knowing that, is it very wise to primary a sitting Republican senator in a safe seat?

ceruleanblue on January 14, 2014 at 7:41 PM

Do not consider me a “friend on the right.” If you can’t see all the damage that rinos have done from McQueeg on down than you are blind.
In the senate not only do we have to fight the commies and socialists but weak kneed rinos on our side as well.
It has become almost an up hill battle due to sellouts like Rubio McQueeg, Graham and the rest of the rino contingents.
I agree we should stop calling them rinos and change the vernacular to just “sellouts” instead.
Here is what McCain’s home county of Maricopa thinks of him.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3111629/posts

rodguy911 on January 15, 2014 at 6:17 AM

Which would Huckster prefer: Liberal Republican or RINO?

mountainaires on January 15, 2014 at 6:40 AM

Isn’t it time for Huckabee to go away?

zoyclem on January 15, 2014 at 7:21 AM

The problem is we have a DIS-loyal bunch of dogs who claim to be purebreds yet refuse to show their papers.

I would rather have a WORKING dog, Mike, than a SHOW dog that never wins, taking a lot of primping and costing you tons of money yet never delivers.

You want the ‘House United’ rather than divided? Tell Boehner, McCain, & other RHINOS to stop attacking the Conservatives who just want them to remain faithful to the Conservative principals of the party, the principles to which they claim to be faithful to…who try to hold them accountable for their actions.

You don’t like the term ‘RHINO’? You can call that dog a German Shepherd, a Doberman, or a Weinner Dog…in the end it is still what it is – A DOG!

easyt65 on January 15, 2014 at 7:45 AM

I don’t care what Republicans call other Republicans. If they want to use the term RINO, fine. If they have some other term they want to use, fine. If they’re offended by RINO or some other term, fine.

It no longer matters to me. I’m a Constitutional Conservative, and the Republicans have made it clear that there’s no place for me in the party.

Chris of Rights on January 15, 2014 at 8:08 AM

“RINO” is an incorrect term to begin with. The problem is that “RINO” means Republican In Name Only.

The term “RINO” is usually used by conservatives against a republican who votes in favor of big-gov’t, increased spending, amnesty, etc.

All of the above things are solid, main-stream republican positions (going by actions rather than campaign promises or written party platforms). Thus, someone taking those positions or voting that way is not acting against Republican Party positions, it is following Republican Party positions. thus, it is impossible for them to be “Republican in Name Only”.

Conservatives for far too long have incorrectly assumed that the GOP is a conservative party pursuing conservative goals. That is false. There is absolutely no evidence of that being true. the GOP was not created as a conservative party and has never been a conservative party. It was a regional party with liberals, centrists and conservatives, but more business friendly versus the DNC, which was more labor friendly. Now, after the ideological realignment, it has never acted as a conservative party – so nobody can claim it is, or really considers itself, conservative. It remains really a big-gov’t party that is friendlier to business than it is to labor.

Since the 1980′s, the GOP has given lip-service to conservatism and conservative goals, but its actions have NEVER followed. The GOP has never, in its actions, pursued conservative goals. Quite the opposite – the GOP at every turn has increased spending, grown the gov’t, and pursued other things that are not conservative.

Until we as conservatives come to grips with reality and admit that the GOP is not a conservative party and generally does not like conservatives or conservative goals, we will not be effective in trying to pull the GOP to the right.

That is because unless we admit the truth, we will continue to do the same thing, which is believe the GOP during campaigns when it tells us what we want to hear: “we’ll cut spending”, “we’ll reduce the size of gov’t”, “we are against amnesty” and in turn the GOP will continue to do what it always does – which is increase spending, increase the size of gov’t, and pursue amnesty.

I have argued repeatedly for a conservative general strike (i.e., sit out one election – 2014) against the GOP as a tactic to force the GOP to move right and get the GOP to act in accordance with its campaign promises. I believe that is the only way to move the GOP to the right within our lifetimes (winning a primary here and there and electing “conservative” politicians may eventually move the party to the right, but that will take decades at best and may never work as we’ve been doing it for 30 years with no real results and lots of failures).

But, if 5% of the GOP base stayed home in 2014, the GOP would lose a bunch of races it is counting on winning. (yes, it will be bad in the short term for more Dems to win, but I think it will be significantly better long term for the U.S.). The GOP would then have to decide, at last, do we act as a conservative party (and I’m not talking “purist” here, just reasonable conservatism) or do we move left and try and win by fighting with the dems trying to win voters by being the more leftist party? If the GOP picks the latter, the reality is it was never going to move rightward anyway as that would prove the GOP is really pretty far left by default.

Monkeytoe on January 15, 2014 at 8:50 AM

Have John McCain retire… then we’ll talk.

Terp Mole on January 15, 2014 at 9:30 AM

‘Reaching Across The Aisle’ is one thing.

But, actually heeding the advice of your enemies is quite another.

And, no, RINOs – The Dems giving you that advice are not your friends.

TimBuk3 on January 15, 2014 at 9:30 AM

bluegill on January 14, 2014 at 7:56 PM

Thank you, bluegill. I remember this Huckachuck action very well. He personifies RINOISM! You will always be a RINO, Mike!

tomshup on January 15, 2014 at 10:26 AM

A RINO says “don’t call us RINOs”. BFD…

voiceofreason on January 15, 2014 at 10:35 AM

Sure, you could replace the term RINO with say, Vichy Republican, but the real remedy is to just vote out of office the RINO’s.

‘Going along to get along’ is not a viable strategy for change.

Athos on January 15, 2014 at 10:39 AM

Monkeytoe on January 15, 2014 at 8:50 AM

The sitting out occurred in 2012! How’d that work out? I don’t think we have time to monkey around with messages. The Obama regime has done so much damage by ignoring the Constitution for the last 5-years, the clock has run out on executing your plan. IMO.

tomshup on January 15, 2014 at 10:45 AM

Stoic Patriot on January 14, 2014 at 10:25 PM

Then how did you ended up considering Huckabee a good choice, seeing that he is a supporter for illegals amnesty AND he commuted the sentence of a hardened criminal saying:

“If he were a white kid from an upper middle class family he would have gotten a lawyer and some counseling,” Huckabee said. “But because he was a young black kid he got 108 years.”

This is Sharpton material 100%. The young “kid” killed four people at least, had 8 felonies on his name prior to that and become eligible to parole after his sentence was commuted.

Elections have consequences, and voting for people like Huckabee ensure that your take over how society should be will never materialize (a view which I find it surprisingly very close to my own despite the fact I never set foot in US, with the tiny detail that I do not thrust government people can implement it anymore, so is just an utopia).

Rookie on January 15, 2014 at 11:04 AM

So calling a spade a spade is not cool. Only if you are the spade (and no I don’t have any hidden racist message there). If this offends then how about if it looks like a RINO, and votes like a RINO, it’s a RINO.

neyney on January 15, 2014 at 11:59 AM

The sitting out occurred in 2012! How’d that work out?

tomshup on January 15, 2014 at 10:45 AM

Not factual. Romney did not lose because conservatives sat out.

I don’t think we have time to monkey around with messages. The Obama regime has done so much damage by ignoring the Constitution for the last 5-years, the clock has run out on executing your plan. IMO.

Let see – Obama has done so much damage that teh solution is to elect people that will help secure every bit of damage he has done and add to it? what, exactly, do you believe the GOP will do to “undo” Obama’s damage? Repeal Obamacare? boehner and McConnell have made it quite clear that they only plan to “fix” it, no repeal it.

Reduce spending? the GOP, which has never reduced spending? You expect them to do that?

Repeal some other laws? Like what? And cite to example of the GOP doing so in the past.

IMO you are delusional if you think the GOP will do anything other than what it has always done – increase spending, increase the size of gov’t and help to set in stone advances made by the left.

And, no matter how you argue it – history ONLY supports my argument. You cannot cite to one accomplishment of the GOP that undermines my argument.

Monkeytoe on January 15, 2014 at 12:16 PM

Huckster, stop pandering to the RINO vote!

steveracer on January 15, 2014 at 12:35 PM

“I’d rather have a loyal dog who licks me than one with a pedigree who bites me,” he added. “I’d rather go to battle with someone who isn’t perfect than with someone who thinks he is.”

When I keep getting “friendly fire” from you; I don’t want to go into battle with you… how is that confusing.

Maybe if you quit shooting our side and started shooting their side people might trust you again and wouldn’t be labeling you to indicate that Conservatives simply can’t trust you.

If you want my trust… be trustworthy. How complicated is that? Anything simpler would be a tautology for crying out loud.

gekkobear on January 15, 2014 at 2:29 PM

The Republican Party has been having ideological debates since the party was founded.

joey24007 on January 15, 2014 at 4:18 PM

I’m fine with swapping it out for another term, but how do I describe myself then?

Progressive.

Freddy on January 15, 2014 at 5:15 PM

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