Fox: Administration knew within minutes that Benghazi was a terrorist attack

posted at 8:41 am on January 14, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

To some extent we knew this already — Leon Panetta said so in open testimony, to which I’ll return later — but James Rosen at Fox confirms this understanding at the highest levels of the Obama administration within minutes of the attack. No one seriously thought it was a demonstration that had turned into a riot, despite the spin offered in the days after the attack left four Americans dead. And that leaves a lot of questions as to the lack of response:

Minutes after the American consulate in Benghazi came under assault on Sept. 11, 2012, the nation’s top civilian and uniformed defense officials — headed for a previously scheduled Oval Office session with President Obama — were informed that the event was a “terrorist attack,” declassified documents show. The new evidence raises the question of why the top military men, one of whom was a member of the president’s Cabinet, allowed him and other senior Obama administration officials to press a false narrative of the Benghazi attacks for two weeks afterward.

Gen. Carter Ham, who at the time was head of AFRICOM, the Defense Department combatant command with jurisdiction over Libya, told the House in classified testimony last year that it was him who broke the news about the unfolding situation in Benghazi to then-Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and Gen. Martin Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. The tense briefing — in which it was already known that U.S. Ambassador to Libya Christopher Stevens had been targeted and had gone missing — occurred just before the two senior officials departed the Pentagon for their session with the commander in chief.

According to declassified testimony obtained by Fox News, Ham — who was working out of his Pentagon office on the afternoon of Sept. 11 — said he learned about the assault on the consulate compound within 15 minutes of its commencement, at 9:42 p.m. Libya time, through a call he received from the AFRICOM Command Center. …

Rep. Brad Wenstrup, R-Ohio, a first-term lawmaker with experience as an Iraq war veteran and Army reserve officer, pressed Ham further on the point, prodding the 29-year Army veteran to admit that “the nature of the conversation” he had with Panetta and Dempsey was that “this was a terrorist attack.”

The transcript reads as follows:

WENSTRUP: “As a military person, I am concerned that someone in the military would be advising that this was a demonstration. I would hope that our military leadership would be advising that this was a terrorist attack.”

HAM: “Again, sir, I think, you know, there was some preliminary discussion about, you know, maybe there was a demonstration. But I think at the command, I personally and I think the command very quickly got to the point that this was not a demonstration, this was a terrorist attack.”

WENSTRUP: “And you would have advised as such if asked. Would that be correct?”

HAM: “Well, and with General Dempsey and Secretary Panetta, that is the nature of the conversation we had, yes, sir.”

Panetta told the Senate Armed Services Committee in February of last year that it was him who informed the president that “there was an apparent attack going on in Benghazi.” “Secretary Panetta, do you believe that unequivocally at that time we knew that this was a terrorist attack?” asked Sen. Jim Inhofe, R-Okla. “There was no question in my mind that this was a terrorist attack,” Panetta replied.

Furthermore, the communication from the US military in Libya made clear from the start that this was a an attack, not a riot:

WESTRUP: “So no one from the military was ever advising, that you are aware of, that this was a demonstration gone out of control, it was always considered an attack -”

BRISTOL: “Yes, sir.”

WENSTRUP: “– on the United States?”

BRISTOL: “Yes, sir. … We referred to it as the attack.”

We have already known that Panetta got briefed from the start that this was a terrorist attack, from Panetta’s own lips. Presumably, that’s what he then told Barack Obama. What happened in between to cause them to claim it was a demonstration that got out of control? One charitable possibility is that the State Department or CIA might have claimed otherwise based on faulty intel — it happens, especially in the fog of war — or it could be that someone concocted that story to give them political cover for the lack of preparedness that this event demonstrated.

The Fox report also debunks the rumor that General Carter Ham received a stand-down order that night. As the classified testimony confirms, the American military was completely unprepared to deal with a terrorist attack in the region that night:

This is mind-blowing. This wasn’t just some random night; it occurred on the anniversary of the 9/11 attack. It took place in what Qaddafi’s fall had turned into Terrorist Central in North Africa, in a city where escalating terrorist attacks against Western targets had forced every other Western nation but the US to retreat. As this also states, a visit by Panetta in December 2011, ten months before the attack, led the DoD to offer a Marine unit for security, which State refused.

Both agencies knew that Benghazi was a sitting duck, and yet the State Department did nothing to bolster security and the DoD did nothing to bolster readiness on the anniversary of 9/11. This is sheer incompetence stacked on more incompetence. That’s the scandal.

Addendum: Let’s not forget that whatever Panetta told Obama about the attack, Obama didn’t take enough of an interest to ask for a follow-up from his Secretary of Defense.

Update: In a loosely-related note, Dianne Feinstein isn’t buying what the New York Times is shilling on Benghazi, either:

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) rejected the Times’s conclusion that al Qaeda wasn’t responsible for the attack that killed Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other Americans. She also took issue with the notion that the Libya strike was sparked by a U.S.-made anti-Islam video online.

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“I believe that groups loosely associated with al Qaeda were” involved in the attack, she told The Hill last week. “That’s my understanding.”

She also disputed the notion that the Sept. 11, 2012, assault evolved from a protest against the video, which was widely disseminated by Islamic clerics shortly before the attack.

“It doesn’t jibe with me,” she said.

Given that the US formally accused Abu Sufian bin Qumu of participating in the attack just days after David Kirkpatrick claimed that the US didn’t think he was involved, I’d call the NYT version a bit of a dead letter.


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The death of Ambassador Stevens was NOT a “screw-up”.

listens2glenn on January 14, 2014 at 10:27 AM

LTG, I don’t know bout that. I subscribe to the Hostage for Blind Sheik theory.

Look at the details of the attack. To me, it doesn’t look like they were all intent on killing anybody they found there at the Ambassador’s consulate. This is another reason Barky was so disconnected when confronted with the facts of an attack in real time when it was going on.

What do you think, Wolly4321?

One more thing. All these comments on the Troll Queen just give her the jollies while she m-bates at the thought that she is so relevant. Leave her alone; we know what she is.

BigAlSouth on January 14, 2014 at 11:08 AM

Maybe barky wasn’t watching, maybe her thighness wasn’t,, but somebody was.
It was the hotspot du jour. They knew when Stevens took a dump.

wolly4321 on January 14, 2014 at 10:22 AM

wolly4321 for stand up of the year!

JusDreamin on January 14, 2014 at 11:12 AM

Feinstein, the scumhag, is even at odds with the liars at the NYT.

Schadenfreude on January 14, 2014 at 11:19 AM

Stevens was there to retrieve the missiles stolen during the looting of the warehouse post-Kaddaffi killing.
You have to learn from foreign sources the truth about America.
(Good morning NSA!)

askwhatif on January 14, 2014 at 11:29 AM

BigAlSouth on January 14, 2014 at 11:08 AM

I don’t think they cared. I’m not sure why.
They could have stopped it. Barky was packing for Vegas. Meanwhile,every geo-sync sat over africa was watching it all. Weather sats.

Straight lines stick out. Like from a designator?

I don’t know what happened. I just smell a lie.

Blazing a target with IR. They saw it. They had to.

They did nothing.

wolly4321 on January 14, 2014 at 11:36 AM

Girl, literally no one cares…..
libfreeordie on January 14, 2014 at 9:02 AM

- I guess they’ll have to make a movie, so you’ll understand.

Squirrel!

askwhatif on January 14, 2014 at 11:37 AM

during the looting of the warehouse post-Kaddaffi killing. You have to learn from foreign sources the truth about America. (Good morning NSA!) askwhatif on January 14, 2014 at 11:29 AM

RWM named the ship and tonnage that was runbing armament. Through Turkey.

Stevens had dinner that night. Special guest. In a hellhole. On the coast. Direct sea-route to Turkey.

wolly4321 on January 14, 2014 at 11:44 AM

Del Dolemonte on January 14, 2014 at 10:43 AM

Um, how big is your backyard? You got an awful lot of sundials and stopwatches running.

Lanceman on January 14, 2014 at 10:54 AM

I have 12 acres full of Global Warming and Carbon right now.

Del Dolemonte on January 14, 2014 at 11:47 AM

And just where was the incompetent, wicked witch of the west?

ultracon on January 14, 2014 at 11:58 AM

NO ONE CARES. GIVE IT UP. MOVE ON!!!!

lostmotherland on January 14, 2014 at 12:01 PM

Unfortunately, the majority of the MSM will continue to ignore this scandal and the Administration’s lies, misdirections, and spin intended to cover-up their incompetence – as well as the biggest lie of 2012… that AQ was decimated and in retreat or the 2nd biggest lie, that BHO called the attack on the compounds in Benghazi a terrorist attack on Sept 12th in his Rose Garden remarks.

Athos on January 14, 2014 at 12:02 PM

And just where was the incompetent, wicked witch of the west? ultracon on January 14, 2014 at 11:58 AM

Eating clam with Huma.

wolly4321 on January 14, 2014 at 12:04 PM

NO ONE CARES. GIVE IT UP. MOVE ON!!!! lostmotherland on January 14, 2014 at 12:01 Pm

Are you gay?

You are, aren’t you.

wolly4321 on January 14, 2014 at 12:07 PM

Are you gay?

You are, aren’t you.

wolly4321 on January 14, 2014 at 12:07 PM

Forget it. Shame is not something they respond to. Only the pleasures of the moment.

Lanceman on January 14, 2014 at 12:09 PM

Someone forgot the word “literally,” lol.

Fallon on January 14, 2014 at 12:10 PM

To be leading the news on the Alphabet Networks tonight, for sures.

RedNewEnglander on January 14, 2014 at 12:11 PM

Worth a try.

wolly4321 on January 14, 2014 at 12:13 PM

NO ONE CARES. GIVE IT UP. MOVE ON!!!!

lostmotherland on January 14, 2014 at 12:01 PM

Except the families of those murdered. And we know YOU don’t care about Americans being murdered by terrorists, but some of us do.

Spliff Menendez on January 14, 2014 at 12:13 PM

NO ONE CARES. GIVE IT UP. MOVE ON!!!!

lostmotherland on January 14, 2014 at 12:01 PM

Uh oh, #leaveBritneyHillaryalone has it’s panties in a twist.

antipc on January 14, 2014 at 12:13 PM

NO ONE CARES. GIVE IT UP. MOVE ON!!!!

lostmotherland on January 14, 2014 at 12:01 PM

.
What I said to Libfree’, earlier:
.

libfreeordie on January 14, 2014 at 9:02 AM

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Hey CHUMP . . . . . we reject, renounce, and defy the premise, that we’re all a bunch of “no one”s, here.

listens2glenn on January 14, 2014 at 9:50 AM

listens2glenn on January 14, 2014 at 12:14 PM

NO ONE CARES. GIVE IT UP. MOVE ON!!!!

lostmotherland on January 14, 2014 at 12:01 PM

Piss off.

You liberals acted like lower-enlisted guards dressing prisoners in pink underwear in Abu Grahaib was directly planned by George Bush himself. You still haven’t let it go as one of your indictments against his presidency. Men died in Benghazi. Another was imprisoned over the smokescreen to shield the actions of the administration. They lied.

You don’t get to decide what we dwell on.

hawkdriver on January 14, 2014 at 12:14 PM

NO ONE CARES. IF THIS HAD HAPPENED ON BUSH’S WATCH I WOULD GIVE HIM A PASS TOO. GIVE IT UP. MOVE ON!!!! (DOT ORG)

Toure on January 14, 2014 at 12:01 PM

Fixed.

Del Dolemonte on January 14, 2014 at 12:16 PM

Stevens was gay.

Blood streaked walls..

wolly4321 on January 14, 2014 at 12:16 PM

NO ONE CARES. GIVE IT UP. MOVE ON!!!!

lostmotherland on January 14, 2014 at 12:01 PM

.
Oh shoot … I almost forgot what Fallon said to Libfree’, earlier:
.

Girl, literally no one cares…..

libfreeordie on January 14, 2014 at 9:02 AM

.
That’s exactly what Obama said to Ambassador Stevens.

Fallon on January 14, 2014 at 9:45 AM

listens2glenn on January 14, 2014 at 12:19 PM

Stevens was gay.

Blood streaked walls..

wolly4321 on January 14, 2014 at 12:16 PM

What is your problem?

verbaluce on January 14, 2014 at 12:22 PM

NO ONE CARES. GIVE IT UP. MOVE ON!!!!

lostmotherland on January 14, 2014 at 12:01 PM

Maybe this person is being sarcastic. Poor choice of words, though.

rlwo2008 on January 14, 2014 at 12:22 PM

You don’t get to decide what we dwell on.

hawkdriver on January 14, 2014 at 12:14 PM

This is true.
But the dwelling on can get painfully redundant and result in false hype over desperate spin.
Nobody said this wasn’t an attack.

(Despite all the snark on the EIT post, I really have been away. Read through some of the gasps of rage over that. Geez.)

verbaluce on January 14, 2014 at 12:25 PM

what is your problem? verbaluce on January 14, 2014 at 12:22 PM

Lib douchebags.

Next question?

wolly4321 on January 14, 2014 at 12:26 PM

Stevens had dinner that night. Special guest. In a hellhole. On the coast. Direct sea-route to Turkey.

wolly4321 on January 14, 2014 at 11:44 AM

“Dinner” wasn’t all that Stevens had that night, prior to being assassinated. Let’s just say that “a night out with the boys” doesn’t mean the same thing to everyone…

A contract hit. Lured out of protection to a honeypot. Then killed. The rest is just window dressing.

bofh on January 14, 2014 at 12:27 PM

wolly4321 on January 14, 2014 at 12:16 PM
What is your problem?

verbaluce on January 14, 2014 at 12:22 PM

Ah, the conference is over.

You watched the video and are now ready to concede that enhanced interrogation methods netted information that led to the location and killing of UBL as expressed by the Director of the CIA Leon Penetta?

hawkdriver on January 14, 2014 at 12:27 PM

Stevens was gay.

Blood streaked walls..

wolly4321 on January 14, 2014 at 12:16 PM

What is your problem? My problem is that I worship Hillary and want to father her children.

verbaloon on January 14, 2014 at 12:22 PM

Fixed.

Del Dolemonte on January 14, 2014 at 12:29 PM

(Despite all the snark on the EIT post, I really have been away. Read through some of the gasps of rage over that. Geez.)

verbaluce on January 14, 2014 at 12:25 PM

You’re so full of it. You were embarrassed beyond recovery over another of the many arguments you inserted yourself into that you were clueless about. You needed a few days off. We understand.

hawkdriver on January 14, 2014 at 12:29 PM

This is true.

The only correct statement I recall you making.

But the dwelling on can get painfully redundant and result in false hype over desperate spin.
Nobody said this wasn’t an attack.

Um, no they didn’t. ANd you’re fixing to enter into another one of those points you try to push that is easily disproved and causes you to look like a fool for all to see.

(Despite all the snark on the EIT post, I really have been away. Read through some of the gasps of rage over that. Geez.)

verbaluce on January 14, 2014 at 12:25 PM

“Geez”. Libfree says that a lot too.

hawkdriver on January 14, 2014 at 12:32 PM

Who was ever held accountable verbaspunk?

It’s an affront to the gay community you don’t care.

wolly4321 on January 14, 2014 at 12:34 PM

Nobody said this wasn’t an attack. That’s my desperate attempt to hijack this thread.

verbaloon on January 14, 2014 at 12:25 PM

Fixed.

Numerous aides to the president and then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton repeatedly told the public in the weeks following the murder of Ambassador Stevens and three other Americans that night — as Obama’s hotly contested bid for re-election was entering its final stretch — that there was no evidence the killings were the result of a premeditated terrorist attack, but rather were the result of a protest gone awry. Subsequent disclosures exposed the falsity of that narrative, and the Obama administration ultimately acknowledged that its early statements on Benghazi were untrue.

F- (As usual)

Del Dolemonte on January 14, 2014 at 12:34 PM

When will enough people get tired of all the lies from this administration?!

Of course, they have to hear about them first. ATTN: MSM

Sterling Holobyte on January 14, 2014 at 12:36 PM

To be clear verbaluckless, the incompetent obama Administration said it was not an attack.

hawkdriver on January 14, 2014 at 12:40 PM

NO ONE CARES. GIVE IT UP. MOVE ON!!!!

lostmotherland on January 14, 2014 at 12:01 PM

Oh look, one of Hillary’s Cankles has weighed in..

..are you the Left or the Right one??.

ToddPA on January 14, 2014 at 12:41 PM

(Despite all the snark on the EIT post, I really have been away. Read through some of the gasps of rage over that. Geez.)

verbaluce on January 14, 2014 at 12:25 PM

No problem….how’s the French Press holding up??

ToddPA on January 14, 2014 at 12:43 PM

You’re so full of it. You were embarrassed beyond recovery over another of the many arguments you inserted yourself into that you were clueless about. You needed a few days off. We understand.

hawkdriver on January 14, 2014 at 12:29 PM

Tell yourself whatever you need to.
Rather than engage in a worthy debate defending your arguments, you attack the person challenging you.
I’m not at all offended, but I am certainly not at all defeated.

verbaluce on January 14, 2014 at 12:43 PM

He verb,, is it sodomy if you are already dead?

You are well past your ability to enjoy it.

No one has been held to account.

The State dept? Nope.

Anyone? Nope.

She pissed on 4 caskets in Delaware. They all did.

Bo honor. No respect.

wolly4321 on January 14, 2014 at 12:44 PM

Crap. Another conference started.

hawkdriver on January 14, 2014 at 12:44 PM

WHAT DIFFERENCE, AT THIS POINT, DOES IT MAKE?!?!?!!!

Lanceman on January 14, 2014 at 12:45 PM

No problem….how’s the French Press holding up??

ToddPA on January 14, 2014 at 12:43 PM

Working great.
Stelton makes it…if you’re looking for one.

verbaluce on January 14, 2014 at 12:46 PM

To be clear verbaluckless, the incompetent obama Administration said it was not an attack.

hawkdriver on January 14, 2014 at 12:40 PM

Yup.

Fallon on January 14, 2014 at 12:47 PM

Oh look, one of Hillary’s Cankles has weighed in..

..are you the Left or the Right one??.

ToddPA on January 14, 2014 at 12:41 PM

She was born with two left cankles.

Flange on January 14, 2014 at 12:47 PM

wolly4321 on January 14, 2014 at 12:26 PM

bofh on January 14, 2014 at 12:27 PM

You guys’ glee over Stevens’ death, and your reasoning for such, would be offensive if it wasn’t so stupid.
And I’m the troll?
Ha.

verbaluce on January 14, 2014 at 12:48 PM

I am certainly not at all defeated. “It’s just a flesh wound!”

verbaloon on January 14, 2014 at 12:43 PM

Edited.

Del Dolemonte on January 14, 2014 at 12:49 PM

I am certainly not at all defeated. verbaluce on January 14, 2014 at 12:43 PM

You sure?

Doesn’t appear so.

wolly4321 on January 14, 2014 at 12:49 PM

Yeah but what about the polar vortex? And did you see that fat guy closing a bridge?

redzap on January 14, 2014 at 12:49 PM

No problem….how’s the French Press holding up??

ToddPA on January 14, 2014 at 12:43 PM

Working great.
Stelton makes it…if you’re looking for one

verbaluce on January 14, 2014 at 12:46 PM

We’ve had one for years….got it as a gift at some point.

I’ve never used it, our Daughters like it.

(I’ll have to find out what Brand it is)

ToddPA on January 14, 2014 at 12:49 PM

Crap. Another conference started.

hawkdriver on January 14, 2014 at 12:44 PM

Rather than engage in a worthy debate defending your arguments, you attack the person challenging you.

Yep.

verbaluce on January 14, 2014 at 12:50 PM

Stevens was gay.

Blood streaked walls..

wolly4321 on January 14, 2014 at 12:16 PM

What is your problem?

verbaluce on January 14, 2014 at 12:22 PM

We leave nobody behind…” Except gay ambassadors and those who try to help him.

Fallon on January 14, 2014 at 12:50 PM

Rather than engage in a worthy debate defending your arguments, you attack the person challenging you.

Yep.

verbaluce on January 14, 2014 at 12:50 PM

Then why do you insist on hanging around, verbaldouche?

No, seriously. I already know the answer, but tell us. Truthfully. Remember, I will know if you are lying.

Lanceman on January 14, 2014 at 12:52 PM

You guys’ glee over Stevens’ death

verbaloon on January 14, 2014 at 12:48 PM

You’re an unusually bad liar. No one here has ever expressed “glee” over Ambassador Stevens’ death.

F-

Del Dolemonte on January 14, 2014 at 12:53 PM

Oh look, one of Hillary’s Cankles has weighed in..

..are you the Left or the Right one??.

ToddPA on January 14, 2014 at 12:41 PM

She was born with two left cankles.

Flange on January 14, 2014 at 12:47 PM

TOUCHE!

ToddPA on January 14, 2014 at 12:54 PM

Del Dolemonte on January 14, 2014 at 12:49 PM

Weird choice of a version to share.

verbaluce on January 14, 2014 at 12:54 PM

ou guys’ glee over Stevens’ death, and your reasoning for such, would be offensive if it wasn’t so stupid. And I’m the troll? Ha. verbaluce on January 14, 2014 at 12:48 PM

I don’t glee over death. I’m not a leftist.

But a SEAL left hanging,, pisses me off.

Yes,, you are the troll.

wolly4321 on January 14, 2014 at 12:54 PM

Tell yourself whatever you need to.

Doctor, heal thyself.

Rather than engage in a worthy debate defending your arguments, you attack the person challenging you.

Could you recognize one?

I’m not at all offended, but I am certainly not at all defeated.

verbaluce on January 14, 2014 at 12:43 PM

Yeah, I’m not sure I’d describe anything that happen to our trolls as being defeated. But you’re like drunks on a bar floor getting their ass kicked and everyone in the bar telling them to stay down. But, they get back up.

I would describe it more as being demonstrably proven to be wrong time and time again in things that you try to assert. You tried to claim enhanced interrogation methods didn’t lead to UBL and facilitate killing him. You were wrong.

You just claimed the obama Administration didn’t refute Benghazi was an attack.

You’re not just wrong, you’re embarrassingly wrong.

hawkdriver on January 14, 2014 at 12:55 PM

You guys’ glee over Stevens’ death

verbaloon on January 14, 2014 at 12:48 PM

Liberal media war death milestones.

hawkdriver on January 14, 2014 at 12:55 PM

Del Dolemonte on January 14, 2014 at 12:49 PM

Weird choice of a version to share.

verbaloon on January 14, 2014 at 12:54 PM

Only to someone as dense as yourself.

Del Dolemonte on January 14, 2014 at 12:56 PM

Ed,

I would appreciate it if you would warn the trolls. Consider the fact that some of your loyal readers have family serving at U.S. embassies and consulates that have been attacked by terrorists.

Christien on January 14, 2014 at 12:56 PM

You’re an unusually bad liar. No one here has ever expressed “glee” over Ambassador Stevens’ death.

Del Dolemonte on January 14, 2014 at 12:53 PM

Maybe it’s just his life that has wolly4321 & bofh full of rage and spittle.
Nice of you to stick up for them.

verbaluce on January 14, 2014 at 12:57 PM

I’m certain the “champion of gays rights” administrations response would have been much different had a gay ambassador been sodomized and executed on American soil.

antipc on January 14, 2014 at 12:58 PM

You guys’ glee over Stevens’ death

verbaloon on January 14, 2014 at 12:48 PM

Liberal media war death milestones.

hawkdriver on January 14, 2014 at 12:55 PM

When we passed 1,000 US deaths in Afghanistan-on O’bama’s watch-the Democrat Media didn’t even report it.

Del Dolemonte on January 14, 2014 at 12:58 PM

Please do not annoy the MSM with Benghazi, IRS…
They’re busy with non-stop investigative reporting on a bridge traffic “scandal”

philw1776 on January 14, 2014 at 12:58 PM

You’re an unusually bad liar. No one here has ever expressed “glee” over Ambassador Stevens’ death.

Del Dolemonte on January 14, 2014 at 12:53 PM

Maybe it’s just his life that has wolly4321 & bofh full of rage and spittle.

Nice of you to stick up for them.

verbaloon on January 14, 2014 at 12:57 PM

Translated: “I can’t refute what Del said, so I will accuse him of standing up for another poster. Remember, I got a D+ in Alinsky 101!”

Del Dolemonte on January 14, 2014 at 1:00 PM

Could you recognize one?

hawkdriver on January 14, 2014 at 12:55 PM

Fine, Hawkdriver.
I’ll leave you to the backpat echo chamber you so clearly need.
Can’t say I didn’t try.

verbaluce on January 14, 2014 at 1:01 PM

Crap. Another conference started.

hawkdriver on January 14, 2014 at 12:44 PM
Rather than engage in a worthy debate defending your arguments, you attack the person challenging you.

Yep.

verbaluce on January 14, 2014 at 12:50 PM

You’ll have to admit when you start ducking the key points after you’ve been proven to be wrong by even our worst Conservative commenter, there’s not much left but to have a little fun. You won’t admit your last two big argument were dead wrong. Why should you be taken seriously?

That point specifically. You went on for hours in a running firefight about EITs not netting info that led to UBL. When I posted the link with Penetta saying definitively that it did, you could not comment. You “Had to go to a conference”.

It would do a lot of good to your credibility if you admitted you had that one wrong right now before the met and greet in The Mediterranean Room starts.

hawkdriver on January 14, 2014 at 1:03 PM

Meh. Point made.

Lanceman on January 14, 2014 at 1:03 PM

Could you recognize one?

hawkdriver on January 14, 2014 at 12:55 PM
Fine, Hawkdriver.
I’ll leave you to the backpat echo chamber you so clearly need.
Can’t say I didn’t try.

verbaluce on January 14, 2014 at 1:01 PM

Euphemism for “I gotta go to a conference.”

hawkdriver on January 14, 2014 at 1:04 PM

You guys’ glee over Stevens’ death

verbaloon on January 14, 2014 at 12:48 PM

You need to go back to your French Press….

This event in Benghazi has a Mirror event that occurred in
July, 1969…..do you remember a certain individual who was
in a Black Oldsmobile….and he was accompanied by a young
woman who met an unfortunate demise??

That event put an end to that man’s Presidential
aspirations….hopefully, Benghazi does the same to a
certain woman’s Presidential aspirations….

BTW, both these politicians belong to the same PARTY.

Ask yourself this question: Which Political Party
believes people are EXPENDABLE, IF said people will harm
their political AMBITIONS?

This question is NOT multiple choice.

ToddPA on January 14, 2014 at 1:04 PM

hawkdriver on January 14, 2014 at 12:55 PM
When we passed 1,000 US deaths in Afghanistan-on O’bama’s watch-the Democrat Media didn’t even report it.

Del Dolemonte on January 14, 2014 at 12:58 PM

Men and women I know.

hawkdriver on January 14, 2014 at 1:05 PM

Translated: “I can’t refute what Del said, so I will accuse him of standing up for another poster. Remember, I got a D+ in Alinsky 101!”

Del Dolemonte on January 14, 2014 at 1:00 PM

Well good for you for sort of…cautiously and cage-ily…not ‘standing up for’ the actual mean spirited and idiotic comments.
I know you’re more focused on ‘trolls’, but I’ll give you a solid B here.
Even though you’ll probably argue for something lower.

verbaluce on January 14, 2014 at 1:05 PM

Del Dolemonte on January 14, 2014 at 1:00 PM
Well good for you for sort of…cautiously and cage-ily…not ‘standing up for’ the actual mean spirited and idiotic comments.
I know you’re more focused on ‘trolls’, but I’ll give you a solid B here.
Even though you’ll probably argue for something lower.

verbaluce on January 14, 2014 at 1:05 PM

Do you think you look intelligent to anyone not admitting when you’ve made an incorrect statement and then proven to be wrong? Your pathetic dodge of feigning indignation with debate style when you’re once again proven wrong is just an embarrassment to the commentary here. Admit you were wrong before the conference. Admit you’re wrong today.

hawkdriver on January 14, 2014 at 1:10 PM

There isn’t a shred of evidence that it isn’t totally retarded.

Murphy9 on January 14, 2014 at 1:28 PM

Try to what? Assert false claims? Disrupt the thread? Embarrass yourself more? What exactly were you trying to do?

blink on January 14, 2014 at 1:22 PM

Disuss and debate.
You see that as a disruption.
I’m not at all embarrassed.
Most of what I offered on the EIT post wasn’t event challenged directly. Plenty of ad-hom, but that’s all just silly.
I’ve been a Rec Sox fan at a Yankees Stadium, so that stuff is easy to ignore and be amused by.
(And Red Sox won the series…bad year for NYY)

verbaluce on January 14, 2014 at 1:29 PM

Disuss and debate.
verbaluce on January 14, 2014 at 1:29 PM

Actually with you , it’s

“The 5 Rules of Volleyball”:

Dodge, Dip Duck, Dive, and Dodge

kingsjester on January 14, 2014 at 1:35 PM

Most of what I offered on the EIT post wasn’t event challenged directly. Plenty of ad-hom, but that’s all just silly.

verbaluce on January 14, 2014 at 1:29 PM

verbaluce on January 10, 2014 at 12:34 PM
I don’t understand the premise of your comment. Are you rejecting known facts and inserting your opinion?

hawkdriver on January 10, 2014 at 12:37 PM

hawkdriver on January 10, 2014 at 12:37 PM
I’m not the one confusing facts and opinions.
But is that the best you can offer in response?
Ok.

verbaluce on January 10, 2014 at 12:40 PM

Your favorite response when you can’t answer.

You claimed interrogation didn’t work. Penetta, one of your heroes, (and the real administration man most responsible for UBL taking a dirt nap or salt bath) claimed otherwise. So, the original retort to your pathetic, dismissive comment, again …

Are you rejecting known facts and inserting your opinion?

hawkdriver on January 10, 2014 at 12:49 PM

Let me ask you one more time. Are you sticking with your assertion that enhanced interrogation techniques did not yield actionable intelligence in the mission to kill UBL?

Yes or No?

hawkdriver on January 10, 2014 at 1:01 PM

Yes

verbaluce on January 10, 2014 at 1:09 PM

verbaluce on January 10, 2014 at 1:09 PM
Your man, Leon Penetta disagrees. Of course you’re going to have to consider that this right-wing nut should only be taken with a grain of salt.

Penetta quoted in Telegraph.

hawkdriver on January 10, 2014 at 1:13 PM

On EIT…my position is that it wasn’t a factor in the eventual finding/killing of Obama.

verbaluce on January 10, 2014 at 1:19 PM

It’s short. You have to watch until the end.

hawkdriver on January 10, 2014 at 1:24 PM
I will.
BUT…have to run. Off to a conference…torture of another kind.

verbaluce on January 10, 2014 at 1:28 PM

It always is pretty cut and dry to everyone not lost on Planet Rationalization.

hawkdriver on January 14, 2014 at 1:37 PM

Laugh of the day

Schadenfreude on January 14, 2014 at 1:39 PM

wolly4321 on January 14, 2014 at 12:26 PM

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bofh on January 14, 2014 at 12:27 PM

.
You guys’ glee over Stevens’ death, and your reasoning for such, would be offensive if it wasn’t so stupid.
And I’m the troll?
Ha.

verbaluce on January 14, 2014 at 12:48 PM

.
Thank God for the ‘anonymity’ of the internet.
If you even implied that, in a face-to-face conversation with any of us, you’d be “in a world of hurt”, real fast.

listens2glenn on January 14, 2014 at 1:46 PM

The Fox report also debunks the rumor that General Carter Ham received a stand-down order that night.
– Ed

Well if nothing else, nice to put that lie to rest.
I’m sure everyone will fully accept Fox’s reporting here…right?

verbaluce on January 14, 2014 at 1:51 PM

Disuss and debate.

Disinfect and desist.

cbenoistd on January 14, 2014 at 2:00 PM

Strangley enough, those that are defending the “It wasn’t Terrorism!” meme are not adressing the fact that the “unruly mob” were armed with automatic weapons and RPG’s.

I don’t know about you, but you don’t carry that stuff *just* to protest…not even in the Middle East, unless you were planning to use the damn things!

4 Americans killed and yet the Left is treating this like its some kind of Miss Manners Faux Pas.

4 Americans killed…and yet NO ONE has been fired?

Really?

BlaxPac on January 14, 2014 at 2:06 PM

NO ONE CARES. GIVE IT UP. MOVE ON!!!!

lostmotherland on January 14, 2014 at 12:01 PM

Let’s see the hands of anyone who would take the advice of someone who said the following.

How do you think Ted Cruz became a Senator?

Gerrymandering.

lostmotherland on October 17, 2013 at 1:39 PM

OK, let’s see those hands after you stop holding your bellies during your laughter.

NotCoach on January 14, 2014 at 2:10 PM

That claim never made much sense anyway. Check the old threads, and you’ll see me saying the same thing back then.

blink on January 14, 2014 at 1:56 PM

Well now at least you know it’s not true…as well as being nonsensical.
But that nonsensical stuff sure can get a lot of traction here sometimes.

verbaluce on January 14, 2014 at 2:20 PM

Silence. The facts in his face, he will never man up and admit he was wrong.

Or maybe he’s up at the staff meeting in the Lisbon Room on the second floor.

Verbaluce, I have other conservative friends with other conservative blogs and they have some quality trolls on their sites. They’ve asked to visit us over here and I always have to make an excuse because I’m afraid they’ll discover how pathetic our trolls are.

You were wrong. Proved to be wrong and you cannot readdress the comments because of it.

Additionally, your callous disregard for the lives of the men lost in Libya and your assertion that it’s driven by politics for us is just a monstrous thing to say. You decry the insults you receive here? Read your own damn comments.

hawkdriver on January 14, 2014 at 2:22 PM

So, who was it that relieved Ham of duty that night and why????

jake49 on January 14, 2014 at 2:29 PM

hawkdriver on January 14, 2014 at 2:22 PM

Agreed. Also, the people who run this site and purport to support our troops and embassy/consular staff don’t seem to care that the trolls use their site to crap on people with skin in the game. If I had to guess, they don’t have anyone in harm’s way and couldn’t care less.

smh *shrugs*

Christien on January 14, 2014 at 2:39 PM

You were wrong. Proved to be wrong and you cannot readdress the comments because of it.

Additionally, your callous disregard for the lives of the men lost in Libya and your assertion that it’s driven by politics for us is just a monstrous thing to say. You decry the insults you receive here? Read your own damn comments.

hawkdriver on January 14, 2014 at 2:22 PM

You keep saying I was wrong and proved to be.
Whatever.

As for your last accusation…shove it.
I see the deaths in Libya as nothing less than terrible and tragic as well as fully preventable. I’d welcome some push back on the personal attacks here on Ambassador Stevens from others besides me.
I’ve always said I welcome actual oversight and real reform…so that nothing like that ever happens again.
I in no way question your genuine concern for the well being of all who serve…along with those who have and who will.

verbaluce on January 14, 2014 at 3:01 PM

verbaluce on January 14, 2014 at 3:01 PM

You’re the one who needs to shove it, filth.

Christien on January 14, 2014 at 3:21 PM

verbaloon on January 14, 2014 at 3:01 PM

F-

Del Dolemonte on January 14, 2014 at 3:30 PM

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