Karl Rove: Christie’s handling of this Bridgegate thing could give him “street cred” with tea partiers

posted at 11:21 am on January 13, 2014 by Allahpundit

“Mr. Rove has grown so controversial among some conservatives,” the NYT wrote recently, citing GOP sources, “that candidates worry that donors will not contribute to a super PAC if it is connected to [Rove's group American] Crossroads.” You trust a guy in that position, whose personal brand is now sufficiently toxic among righties that it can alter fundraising battle plans, to have a sharp read into the thinking of tea partiers, don’t you?

On the other hand, he’s not totally wrong. I noticed over the weekend how conservative media, including columnists, are starting to pay attention to the amount of coverage Bridgegate got in its first flush versus the coverage Obama’s IRS scandal received initially. No less a tea partier than Palin, while noting that what Christie’s team did is “atrocious,” was quick to add that his sins pale next to O’s. That’s the key to damage control for him on the right: Play up every available contrast with Obama, from the gravity of Obama’s misdeeds to the partisan skew in media coverage to the quick action he took to punish the guilty staffers versus Obama’s reluctance to fire anyone. He’s past the point of earning any “street cred” with conservatives but pointing out their common enemies on the left will naturally make some people on the right more reluctant to use Bridgegate against him.

Problem is, he can’t follow that strategy yet. It’s still too early, and the scandal too shady, for Christie to shift into victim mode now. Case in point:

New documents related to a traffic jam planned by a member of New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie’s (R) staff show for the first time how furiously Christie’s lieutenants inside the Port Authority worked to orchestrate a coverup after traffic mayhem engulfed Fort Lee last year.

Inside the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, Christie’s top appointees neglected furious complaints from Fort Lee’s police chief as well as from angry rush-hour commuters. One woman called asking why the agency was “playing God with people’s jobs.”

The Republican governor’s appointees instructed subordinates to stonewall reporters who were asking questions. They even ordered up an actual “traffic study” to chronicle the impact and examine whether closing the lanes permanently might improve traffic flow. The study’s conclusion: “TBD.”

Jersey Democrats are threatening to subpoena Bridget Kelly, the Christie staffer fired for sending the “time for some traffic problems in Fort Lee” e-mail. Christie’s own timeline of when he first heard about those traffic problems has changed, although whether that’s an incriminating inconsistency or just a memory lapse remains to be seen. And now, as Ed noted earlier, the feds are sniffing around whether he misused funds appropriated for Sandy relief by giving the tourism ad bid to a contractor that featured him and his family in their spots. Maybe all of that will evaporate, leaving Christie free to argue that he was the target of a media witch hunt that President Bambi never had to endure. But even if it does, most tea partiers would, I think, react by making the point Mollie Hemingway made the other day: Namely, however trivial Christie’s scandal is vis-a-vis O’s, it reflects the same tendency by underlings to damage a political opponent by hurting his constituents that we saw from O with the IRS scandal and the national park closures during the shutdown. The scale of the scandals is different and media partisanship is what it is, but if you want something new and fresh in 2016, why choose a guy whose administration proved that it’s not above Chicago-style hardball retaliation and whose 2016 platform will be less about limiting the reach of government than about making it work “better”?


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I used to think that the case against Rove as a Rino-sympathizing establishment hack was exaggerated; after all, I thought his ads at his Crossroads pac were really good. But any suggestion that the “70% Democrat” Christie could get tea party cred is laughable, and leads me to think that Rove exists completely in his own fantasy world.

Christie is at least 70% Democrat: AMNESTY (predictably flip flopped, endorsed Rubio’s bill), gun control (he himself proposed a series of gun control measures including banning 50 caliber rifles, expect worse to come), Obamacare (accepted Medicaid expansion, liked Romneycare, and it’s not clear what he would do as far as repeal), Gay Issues: (supports gays in the military / and, inexplicably, would not do even a routine appeal of a court decision suppporting gay marriage; expect Christie to predictably do a full flip flop on gay marriage like he did on amnesty), Islam coddlding: (see below), Obama coddling (and hugging, giving gratuitous unneeded praise to O a week before the election, please), Global Warming (see below), abortion (like Romney is a recent and reserved convert to saying he’s pro-life).

Christie on Islam: “To summarize, not only did Christie appoint to the state bench a lawyer named Sohail Mohammed, who, besides slandering the Justice Department’s prosecutions of (now convicted) jihadists, served as a board member of an Islamic-supremacist organization (the American Muslim Union); as U.S. attorney, Christie also personally championed a Hamas operative named Mohammed Qatanani and, more shockingly, put his federal office in the service of that operative, in opposition to the federal government’s worthy effort to deport him. Reportedly, U.S. Attorney Christie physically embraced Qatanani, praising him as “a man of great good will,” at an Islamic center in Passaic that was closely linked to the Holy Land Foundation Hamas-financing case.” http://nationalreview.com/articles/301071/christie-not-one-us-andrew-c-mccarthy/page/0/1

Christie on Climate Change: In league with the leftists on this, the man sounds so much like John Kerry it’s uncanny (see video link below!). Said two years ago: “Climate change is real… It’s time we defer to the experts.” Christie said this 3 years after the Climategate emails had exposed these “experts” as being politically motivated (leftist) and of manipulating the data to deceive the public. No mention of this from Christie, despite this being well know two years ago. This, from a “Republican.” Also talked about “undeniable” rise in temperatures, but this was two years ago when it was well known, at least among conservatives, that we were in 13 year period of no warming. See this 2 minute video of Christie being virtually effusive in his enthusiastic support for the leftists on climate change: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPxDnb2-aVI&ii=ChristieClimateChange

anotherJoe on January 13, 2014 at 1:13 PM

They even ordered up an actual “traffic study” to chronicle the impact and examine whether closing the lanes permanently might improve traffic flow.

Is it not possible that this was a real traffic study and that these guys just showed poor judgment by showing glee at the inconvenience that the study would necessarily cause to political opponents? Do we know the meaning and context of the famous “Time for some traffic problems in Ft. Lee” line? Was it a order for retribution? Or was it just an unwise way to say the traffic study was authorized?

The full emails and text messages as provided by the NYT show that two lanes were NOT shut down, two lanes were diverted from Ft. Lee to the rest of the state. The text messages acknowledge that Ft. Lee traffic was heavy, but the diverting of the lanes improved the traffic flow from I95, with traffic from that direction breaking up much earlier.

There was definitely some callous indifference, but I think the media is jumping too soon to the conclusion that the lane closures were political retribution, and the Christie bashers are just too earner to jump along (forgetting their normal suspicions of the MSM).

tommylotto on January 13, 2014 at 1:14 PM

That’s the key to damage control for him on the right: Play up every available contrast with Obama, from the gravity of Obama’s misdeeds to the partisan skew in media coverage to the quick action he took to punish the guilty staffers versus Obama’s reluctance to fire anyone.

LOL. Chrispy Chreme supported Barky in 2012 after Barky and the MSM had long been guilty of all these things. i.e. Chrispy Chreme supported Barky’s un-Constitutional actions and criminal forays, along with the MSM’s balnket denials and intentional ignoring of all these things. Chrispy Chreme would have to hold himself responsible for supporting Barky’s criminality, which is far worse than his pathetic, illegal, spiteful abuses of power, himself.

Failed analysis, there, AP. Try again. Chrispy Chreme can’t take this tack since he’s one of the ones most guilty of helping the criminal Indonesian stay in power … and now the Indonesian dog-eating douchebag America-hating traitor is investigating Chrispy for the use of the money that Chrispy claims he was making out with Barky on the beach in order to get (even though it came from the douchebags in Congress, not Barky).

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 13, 2014 at 1:14 PM

Never thought much of Christie before… hugging Obama after Sandy didn’t help… the bridge closing cemented it for me… he may not have known, but he put the people in place and fostered the culture…

He can delegate authority, but he can’t delegate responsibility…

Khun Joe on January 13, 2014 at 1:18 PM

More on Christie & Obamacare, from Conservative New Jersey: New Jersey was conspicuously absent from the list (of states filing lawsuits against the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services & Obamacare). When questioned about this on March 24 [2010], Gov. Christie responded:

I haven’t gotten briefed yet on what we think the ramifications are. It’s a 2,500-page bill. We would like to act in a way that is informed. And from my perspective, given the transition and that I haven’t been living with this issue for a year, I want to make sure I get fully informed … then I’ll consider whether or not we need to take any legal action.

But nothing. No legal action. Instead, Christie embraced (Obama) and Obamacare’s medicaid expansion, and has expressed a fondness at least for Romneycare. It’s very questionable whether Christie would repeal Obamacare; at least, we can expect that Christie would require a chubby “replacement” that might be worse than the original disease.

anotherJoe on January 13, 2014 at 1:23 PM

Rove is delusional. Christie’s issue do pale in comparison to Obama and crew, but I have no problem with Christie reaping what he’s sown. To me, Christie has always been a Democrat masquerading as a RINO. He’ll get zero cred with me regardless of how this debacle turns out for him.

The injustice of partial media coverage and those with real power turning a blind eye to Team Obama are the real issue.

conservative pilgrim on January 13, 2014 at 1:26 PM

Poor Rove is leading the horse cavalry against the Blitzkrieg

faraway on January 13, 2014 at 1:33 PM

Sorry Karl,
Fat ass gets no cred from this tea partier.

Message to establishment, DONT EVEN think ABOUT ANOTHER RHINO.
they too will have their ass handed to them.
We WILL stay home.

mmcnamer1 on January 13, 2014 at 1:34 PM

Fatty brought this on himself.
Where’s Obama now, fatty fatty 2 by 4?

mmcnamer1 on January 13, 2014 at 1:35 PM

NE Republicans (O’Donnell, Romney, Christie) are 0-3.

Just say no.

faraway on January 13, 2014 at 1:36 PM

conservative pilgrim on January 13, 2014 at 1:26 PM

Good post. There is something wrong with Rove. Pretty much everyone in the media is a weasle. Trust Rove at your own peril.

SparkPlug on January 13, 2014 at 1:36 PM

Why are Rove and GOP all of a sudden worried about voters they only recently declared as irrelevant?

riddick on January 13, 2014 at 1:07 PM

Because they’re such spineless, quivering candy asses that they can’t bear the thought of actually fighting themselves, even for their own progressive squish champion. So they’re trying to draw us into fighting the battle for them, totally unsupported.

And once it’s over, they’ll tell us to go sit down in the corner again, STFU, keep writing those checks and let the “adults” do our thinking for us.

Gator Country on January 13, 2014 at 1:41 PM

Poor Rove is leading the horse cavalry against the Blitzkrieg

faraway on January 13, 2014 at 1:33 PM

Rove and the Establishment aren’t even doing that much. They’re sending us out to do the fighting for them while they hold a sale on ARVN rifles – never fired and only dropped once.

Gator Country on January 13, 2014 at 1:45 PM

On the other hand, he’s not totally wrong.

Yes – he IS Totally Wrong……and so are You!

There is NO “cred” being extracted by Christie WHATSOEVER due to this, the fact that Tea Party Activists take this as an opportunity to discern how DISHONEST The Media are in Carry Water for Obama and Democrats….only reflects on the honesty of The Tea Party – and it reflects NOTHING on the “credibility” of Christie, OR the NYT OR allahpundit…………….

williamg on January 13, 2014 at 1:55 PM

Christie is a classic example of a politician from the ‘conservative’ party who will run Leviathan better than the other party will, but who has absolutely no intention of trying to roll back Leviathan or of even trying to keep it from gobbling up everything.

This kind of fiscally competent progressive is much more dangerous than the fiscally incompetent ones like Obama.

fadetogray on January 13, 2014 at 1:55 PM

ANYONE who takes Money from Rove or ANYTHING connected with him will be targeted for and DEFEATED by Tea Party Activists………..

williamg on January 13, 2014 at 1:58 PM

Idiocy like this is why the GOP is in the mess it’s in.

Tasha on January 13, 2014 at 2:01 PM

williamg on January 13, 2014 at 1:55 PM

You’re right. Because Tea Partiers see the dishonesty of the media (it didn’t take Christie to tell us this), doesn’t mean we suddenly like Christie or that he has any credibility with us. He has none. I’ve never liked the man.

From 2012:

Christie Is Not One of Us
New Jersey could do much worse, but he is not conservative.

INC on January 13, 2014 at 2:01 PM

Yeah, ’cause if there’s one guy who knows about tea party street cred, it’s Karl Rove.

Cylor on January 13, 2014 at 2:09 PM

The “compassionate conservatives” and the democrat/progressive ilk both suffer from projection.

Both accuse the TEA party folks of venal, slimey behavior which has become their stock in trade.

The common denominator… big money, crony capatilists sidling up to the trough like the pigs they are.

Lonetown on January 13, 2014 at 2:10 PM

Short and sweet: Rove is an idiot.

Fallon on January 13, 2014 at 2:11 PM

POLL: Are you more likely to vote for Chris Christie now that you know he orchestrated a major political beat-down of a Democrat opponent?

VOTE: Hell yeah!

HopeHeFails on January 13, 2014 at 2:14 PM

I’m not saying the Christie is the strongest candidate for the GOP in 2016, but would we REALLY prefer Hillary Clinton over Chris Christie to make appointments to the Supreme Court?

No one at this site can responsibly advocate that the nation “burn to Hell,” and that liberty and constitutionalism will miraculously rise from the ashes. The debt and socialistic state will be too late for our kids and grandkids.

America is an experiment that must be tendered and protected by each generation. We are not yet at the point of no return, but 4 or 8 years of Hillary and we might be.

matthew8787 on January 13, 2014 at 2:16 PM

America is an experiment that must be tendered and protected by each generation. We are not yet at the point of no return, but 4 or 8 years of Hillary and we might be.

matthew8787 on January 13, 2014 at 2:16 PM

America is dead and buried. Has been for over a year. This is the American Socialist Superstate, now. There is no American Constitutional Republic left in the world and there will not be unless it is re-established in a new nation, since this one is toast.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 13, 2014 at 2:21 PM

I’m not saying the Christie is the strongest candidate for the GOP in 2016, but would we REALLY prefer Hillary Clinton over Chris Christie to make appointments to the Supreme Court?

No, but it’s a mug’s bet. Christie will make horrible appointments, too. There is no telling in advance which ones would actually end up worse.

Better to let the Democrats take responsibility for their disastrous social and economic policies instead of supporting someone who will vilify us anyway and leave us with the blame for policies we never wanted.

fadetogray on January 13, 2014 at 2:22 PM

Gun grabbing, sharia coddling, open borders loving freak will not get my vote. Not now, not ever.

paulsur on January 13, 2014 at 2:23 PM

Rove knows his brand is damaged with the Republican base so he and his allies in the establishment have set up a lot of fake conservative PACs to attack real conservative candidates.

Wigglesworth on January 13, 2014 at 2:24 PM

POLL: Are you more likely to vote for Chris Christie now that you know he orchestrated a major political beat-down of a Democrat opponent?

VOTE: Hell yeah!

HopeHeFails on January 13, 2014 at 2:14 PM

If Rove and the rest of the Establishment actually pursued that, it might even sway some conservatives to support their side; at least for once in their craven, miserable lives they’d actually be fighting the Dems over something.

Instead we’re getting the same old story once again; they’re hiding under their desks hoping and praying the whole mess blows over without inflicting too much damage on themselves, all the while expecting conservatives to take one for the team while setting us up to take all the blame for everything that might go wrong.

And we all know how that story ends – we’ve seen it way too many times. Once the media is chasing the next squirrel, they’ll be right back to beating on their conservative base like rented mules for the amusement of the Beltway cocktail circuit.

Gator Country on January 13, 2014 at 2:37 PM

I think Gov. Christie is swell for N.J., they should name him king.

Cindy Munford on January 13, 2014 at 2:38 PM

POLL: Are you more likely to vote for Chris Christie now that you know he orchestrated a major political beat-down of a Democrat opponent?

VOTE: Hell yeah!

HopeHeFails on January 13, 2014 at 2:14 PM

Until we know that’s what happened, well… you’re just blindly re-bleating hyperpartisan, stupid Democrat/media talking points.

Now, why would you want to do *that*?

Midas on January 13, 2014 at 2:42 PM

Excellent posts, Another Joe.

As far as any real conservative is concerned, the MSM versus Christie is a case of blue on blue. Pass me the popcorn.

Pincher Martin on January 13, 2014 at 2:43 PM

I’m not saying the Christie is the strongest candidate for the GOP in 2016, but would we REALLY prefer Hillary Clinton over Chris Christie to make appointments to the Supreme Court?

*yawn* New material, please. This GOP mantra is threadbare, turning grey with age, and smells of mothballs.

No one at this site can responsibly advocate that the nation “burn to Hell,” and that liberty and constitutionalism will miraculously rise from the ashes.

*eye roll* You think the GOP is going to bring back liberty and constitutionalism? You haven’t been paying attention, have ya?

The debt and socialistic state will be too late for our kids and grandkids.

*bzzzzzt* Already too late, champ. And the GOP’s record shows they won’t slow it down, even when handed the Presidency and the entirety of the Congress.

America is an experiment that must be tendered and protected by each generation. We are not yet at the point of no return, but 4 or 8 years of Hillary and we might be.

matthew8787 on January 13, 2014 at 2:16 PM

Yeah, again – sorry, it’s been dying a death from a thousand cuts for decades, and accelerated into full-on vivisection a few years ago – we passed the point of no return a fair ways back, maybe you were watching TV or napping and missed it.

Midas on January 13, 2014 at 2:52 PM

As far as any real conservative is concerned, the MSM versus Christie is a case of blue on blue. Pass me the popcorn.

Pincher Martin on January 13, 2014 at 2:43 PM

.
Except . . . . . we’re talking about New Jersey, here.

To you and I it’s clearly “blue on blue”.

To at least half of America, Chris Christy is a “right-wing Republican”.
This will be used against all Republicans, as a “guilt-by-association” issue.
The comparison is illegitimate, but when did that ever matter to Democrat campaign strategists?

listens2glenn on January 13, 2014 at 3:07 PM

As far as any appointments Christie might make or being any better than Hillary, this is from page 3 of my above link:

In reality, the NYPD issue was only one facet of a broad indictment against Christie’s Islamist sympathies, which Pipes and Emerson corroborated with extensive citations to supporting materials, as is their wont. It also included Christie’s aforementioned support of Qatanani; his appointment of Sohail Mohammed; and his endorsement of the firing of a state employee for burning three pages of the Koran while off duty at a demonstration (the employee got his job back upon successfully suing the state for violating his constitutional rights). Pipes and Emerson did not merely “disapprove of Christie’s outspokenness against the NYPD’s surveillance of Muslim college students in New Jersey,” as Glyn puts it. Here’s what they actually said:

Christie has hugged a terrorist-organization member, abridged free-speech rights, scorned concern over Islamization, and opposed law-enforcement counterterrorism efforts. Whenever an issue touching on Islam arises, Christie takes the Islamist side against those — the [Department of Homeland Security], state senators, the NYPD, even the ACLU — who worry about lawful Islamism eroding the fabric of American life.

anotherJoe on January 13, 2014 at 1:13 PM also linked to the same article by Andrew McCarthy and quoted from page 2.

INC on January 13, 2014 at 3:23 PM

Message to establishment, DONT EVEN think ABOUT ANOTHER RHINO.
they too will have their ass handed to them.
We WILL stay home.

mmcnamer1 on January 13, 2014 at 1:34 PM

There is no “H” in the acronym “RINO”. Who is this establishment that brings you the RINOs? Could it be that you are staying home and allowing others to nominate your candidate and then throwing a fit because it’s not what you want? What work have you done to see that there isn’t one of these RINOs coming up? What non RINO candidate is acceptable to you?

V7_Sport on January 13, 2014 at 3:42 PM

Midas on January 13, 2014 at 2:52 PM

*yawn* New material, please. This GOP mantra is threadbare, turning grey with age, and smells of mothballs.

Is that why you have backed voting for democrats?

*eye roll* You think the GOP is going to bring back liberty and constitutionalism? You haven’t been paying attention, have ya?

So the democrats you advocate voting for, have they done a good job?

*bzzzzzt* Already too late, champ. And the GOP’s record shows they won’t slow it down, even when handed the Presidency and the entirety of the Congress.

So when you vote for democrats your objective is to obviously speed up the collapse of the country, doesn’t that make you a traitor? In my book it does.

Yeah, again – sorry, it’s been dying a death from a thousand cuts for decades, and accelerated into full-on vivisection a few years ago – we passed the point of no return a fair ways back, maybe you were watching TV or napping and missed it.

So leave. Find somewhere else to live. I’ll go down fighting, we don’t need people who support the enemy.

V7_Sport on January 13, 2014 at 3:48 PM

America is an experiment that must be tendered and protected by each generation. We are not yet at the point of no return, but 4 or 8 years of Hillary and we might be.

matthew8787 on January 13, 2014 at 2:16 PM

Agreed, 100%.

V7_Sport on January 13, 2014 at 3:49 PM

“What we want in a President”

Really Karl?

From what I see one of two things happened.

1) Christie abused his elected power for partisan political gain, then blamed and underling and left him to take the fall in a CYA move.

2) Christie is a “leader” who leads in such a way that underlings assume they can and should abuse their power for partisan political gain and can do so with impunity.

Which one of those is “what we want in a President”?
And who the heck is “WE”?

Since the option may very well be #1, and given the “low level employees in Cincinnati” is Rove recommending Obama also as “what we want in a President”?

Admittedly there is a #3:
3) A staffer, having up until then acted like a person you’d want who would act in good faith; decided unilaterally to give up his career for a one-time political move against his boss’s political opponent when he knew he would not be rewarded or praised for his action.

I’d say that’s as likely as the one-armed man being the one who killed your wife during your vocal argument with her that got the neighbors to call 911 because it sounded like a violent fight.

In other words; hypothetically possible but in no means actually plausible. We may find out if it’s #1, otherwise best-case we have to assume #2 (or a #1 situation covered up and unprovable).

Which of those looks like “leadership” to Karl Rove? Does he know what that word ACTUALLY means?

gekkobear on January 13, 2014 at 4:27 PM

Gator Country on January 13, 2014 at 1:41 PM

My post was sarcastic, but we do agree on all points :-)

Crispy has lost any cred way back when he kissed and made up with Hussein, not that his decisions prior and since had any semblance to conservative thinking. HusseinCare, Sandy, anti-gun, etc.

His only “cred”, if anyone can call it that in NJ, is his mouthing off against unions, not that it changed anything in NJ save for giving Crispy video clips for campaigns.

riddick on January 13, 2014 at 4:44 PM

Karl Rove: Christie’s handling of this Bridgegate thing could give him “street cred” with tea partiers

Unlike Karl Rove and the GOPe who are ready to crown Chris Christie, the TEA Party has no need of Chris Christie, he is a 2% Republican:

“I’m not much different from Andrew Cuomo. I probably agree with him on 98% of the issues.”
– Chris Christie, Feb 2013

RJL on January 13, 2014 at 4:47 PM

V7_Sport on January 13, 2014 at 3:48 PM

Keep f*cking that chicken, idiot. LOL

Midas on January 13, 2014 at 4:57 PM

I’ll go down fighting, we don’t need people who support the enemy.

V7_Sport on January 13, 2014 at 3:48 PM

You’ll keep going down, alright, but without a fight – and on whoever Karl Rove tells you to, because… well, why, again?

You don’t need people who support the enemy – yet you want to fight for the GOP, whose track record of late is… supporting the enemy. Brilliant. I’m surprised you can dress yourself.

By all means, continue supporting the GOP as they push for amnesty, make deals that cut veteran benefits while giving more handouts and increasing the debt.

I’ve voted GOP since my first opportunity to vote for Reagan in ’84. It’s going to take a *lot* of demonstrated conservative behavior on the part of the GOP before before I do so again. In the interim, I will do what I can to remove GOP candidates who actively conspire with the Democrats, to get conservatives through the primaries instead. Beyond that, I will not vote for another squish – all it does is tell the GOP that they’re doing a terrific job of picking shitty candidates.

Oh, and before I forget – f*ck you and your mischaracterizations, be they intentional or simply delusional.

Midas on January 13, 2014 at 5:07 PM

No Karl.

He never will have any cred. Nor should he.

dogsoldier on January 13, 2014 at 5:15 PM

listenstoglenn,

To at least half of America, Chris Christy is a “right-wing Republican”.

This will be used against all Republicans, as a “guilt-by-association” issue.

The comparison is illegitimate, but when did that ever matter to Democrat campaign strategists?

Why should any conservative care what the MSM thinks?

If half of America thinks Chris Christie is a right-wing Republican, then half of America is stupid. And how can any conservative be tarred with “guilt by association” to Christie when many of them are cheering on the charges being made against the governor?

Pincher Martin on January 13, 2014 at 5:35 PM

I’ve voted GOP since my first opportunity to vote for Reagan in ’84. It’s going to take a *lot* of demonstrated conservative behavior on the part of the GOP before before I do so again. In the interim, I will do what I can to remove GOP candidates who actively conspire with the Democrats, to get conservatives through the primaries instead. Beyond that, I will not vote for another squish – all it does is tell the GOP that they’re doing a terrific job of picking shitty candidates.

Hear, hear !

Pincher Martin on January 13, 2014 at 5:36 PM

Yes, and the way Romney handled Romneycare gave him street cred with conservatives./s

Wigglesworth on January 13, 2014 at 5:41 PM

Re. Midas

Keep f*cking that chicken, idiot. LOL

You are the one who advocated voting for the democrats, idiot.

You’ll keep going down, alright, but without a fight

Ummm, no, I contribute time and money, write letters, make phone calls, drive people to the polls, participate in conventions, platform comities, etc. I support candidates in the primaries and if they don’t win I don’;t take my bat and my ball and go home to b!tch luke a prepubescent girl on hot air and vow to vote for the socialists like you do.

– and on whoever Karl Rove tells you to, because… well, why, again?

Thanks for the straw man argument, you really are a democrat, aren’t you?

By all means, continue supporting the GOP as they push for amnesty,

Where is that in the GOP platform. Do you know what the GOP platform is or how to amend it?

It’s going to take a *lot* of demonstrated conservative behavior on the part of the GOP before before I do so again.

So you b!tching like a stuck pig is your way of sending the memo out to everyone that if you don’t get EXACTLY what you want you are going to stay home or vote for the democrats. Oh well, GFYS, I’m going to do what I think is best for the country. Remember that? The Republic?

f*ck you and your mischaracterizations,

You are the one who suggested voting democrat as a “force multiplayer”, fully knowing that they are wrecking the country. F- you more.

V7_Sport on January 13, 2014 at 5:43 PM

Who the he## is Karl Rove and why should I care what he says?

Gunlock Bill on January 13, 2014 at 5:45 PM

I like Christie fine as Governor of NJ. As President? After 8 years of the Obama train wreck we need to do much better.

jpmn on January 13, 2014 at 5:45 PM

Sure Karl, Tea Partiers just love politicians who abuse power.

VorDaj on January 13, 2014 at 5:47 PM

I will not vote for another squish – all it does is tell the GOP that they’re doing a terrific job of picking shitty candidates.

Hear, hear !

Pincher Martin on January 13, 2014 at 5:36 PM

THE “GOP” DOESN”T “PICK” CANDIDATES. THEY ARE PICKED IN THE PRIMARIES BY THE VOTERS. THERE IS NO “ESTABLISHMENT” PICKING “SQUISH” CANDIDATES, IT’S OTHER VOTERS. ALL YOU ARE DOING BY STAYING AT HOME ON ELECTION DAY IS HELPING TO ELECT THE WORST POSSIBLE OUTCOME.

I know this comes across as rocket science or voodoo, but it happens to be fact.

V7_Sport on January 13, 2014 at 5:49 PM

Acting like a British Colonial Governor is not the way to the Tea Parties heart.

meci on January 13, 2014 at 6:14 PM

V7_Sport on January 13, 2014 at 5:43 PM

No, you’re not bitching like a prepubescent girl or anything.

Where is amnesty in the GOP platform? Ask Marco Rubio, John McCain, John Boehner, Mitch McConnell, and the rest of them that are openly saying they’re going to help make it happen, you f*ckwit. Deny it all you want, doesn’t matter if it’s in your f*cking ‘platform’ – they’re *SAYING* they’re going to do it.

Please, do stamp your tiny feet some more to demonstrate your sincerity. Oh, and I did forget, I apologize – you’re not f*cking the chicken, you *are* the chicken.

Midas on January 13, 2014 at 6:16 PM

THE “GOP” DOESN”T “PICK” CANDIDATES. THEY ARE PICKED IN THE PRIMARIES BY THE VOTERS. THERE IS NO “ESTABLISHMENT” PICKING “SQUISH” CANDIDATES, IT’S OTHER VOTERS. ALL YOU ARE DOING BY STAYING AT HOME ON ELECTION DAY IS HELPING TO ELECT THE WORST POSSIBLE OUTCOME.

You’re wrong, sport, and putting your post in CAPS won’t change that.

The GOP establishment finds ways to work around the conservative movement all the time. One way they do so is by making an all-open primary, so as to encourage non-Republicans to participate in selecting who will be represent the GOP in the general election.

For example, in California, then-Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger pushed for Proposition 14 to open up party primaries so as the marginalize conservatives in his own party.

Schwarzenegger considered his approach a model for the country, and indeed the GOP establishment has been working hard to marginalize the Tea Party in the primaries by adopting similar approaches.

Better to stay home than legitimatize this approach.

Pincher Martin on January 13, 2014 at 6:18 PM

As far as any real conservative is concerned, the MSM versus Christie is a case of blue on blue. Pass me the popcorn.

Pincher Martin on January 13, 2014 at 2:43 PM
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To at least half of America, Chris Christy is a “right-wing Republican”.

This will be used against all Republicans, as a “guilt-by-association” issue.

The comparison is illegitimate, but when did that ever matter to Democrat campaign strategists?

listens2glenn on January 13, 2014 at 3:07 PM

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Why should any conservative care what the MSM thinks?

Pincher Martin on January 13, 2014 at 5:35 PM

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No real conservative should; we agree on that.
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If half of America thinks Chris Christie is a right-wing Republican, then half of America is stupid.

Pincher Martin on January 13, 2014 at 5:35 PM

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Touché !

You may not agree with me, as to what percentage of Americans are ‘fact deficient’ as pertains to politics, but I can’t do anything about that, except say “I disagree.”
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And how can any conservative be tarred with “guilt by association” to Christie when many of them are cheering on the charges being made against the governor?

Pincher Martin on January 13, 2014 at 5:35 PM

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The fact that Chris Christy “is” or “may be” directly responsible for the bridge lane closings will NOT be forgotten, come campaign time.
That fact that “Republican politician X” was vociferously critical of the Governor, and even called very publicly for Christie’s resignation, will be.

listens2glenn on January 13, 2014 at 6:20 PM

Rove is now fully incoherent.

Knott Buyinit on January 13, 2014 at 6:21 PM

How does KR still have anyone listening to him with gibberish like this or donate money to his pac? CC acting like a dear leader jr. doesn’t get cred from any TPer.

Kissmygrits on January 13, 2014 at 6:30 PM

The GOP establishment finds ways to work around the conservative movement all the time. One way they do so is by making an all-open primary, so as to encourage non-Republicans to participate in selecting who will be represent the GOP in the general election.

Pincher Martin on January 13, 2014 at 6:18 PM

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I’m not alone !: )

A combination of this, plus the Democrat Super Delegates are causing the Democrat Primary voters to “cross-over” wherever they can (not all states allow it), and vote for the ‘Chris Christie’ candidates, on their respective (by state, and District) Republican Primary ballots.

listens2glenn on January 13, 2014 at 6:32 PM

Pincher Martin on January 13, 2014 at 6:18 PM

You’re wrong, sport, and putting your post in CAPS won’t change that.

Amazing. So people don’t vote for who gets to run, it’s all decided by Karl Rove in his hollowed out volcano, evil lair “establishment”… Sorry, I thought I was interacting with someone who was at least reality-adjasent.

The GOP establishment finds ways to work around the conservative movement all the time.

They are in the closet and under the bed and come out when your night light burns out as well.

One way they do so is by making an all-open primary,

Maybe if more of you would vote… So how’s this for a solution, join and lobby for a closed primary. But that takes actual work and complaining here doesn’t. Are you aware that there are people fighting and dieting for your right to vote?

Thestablishment has been working hard to marginalize the Tea Party in the primaries by adopting similar approaches

There have been steadily more closed primaries for years,(There are some states who’s constitution interferes with that by the way.) Ohio, for instance tightened it’s voter affiliation rules (and the opposition to that came from the democrats and independents) so your conspiracy theory is BS.

Better to stay home than legitimatize this approach.

Thanks for Obama. Good Lord,: the only thing you are legitimizing by staying at home in the face of an existential threat to the country is the idea that you are too stupid to be taken seriously and too lazy to get involved.
People died for your right to vote, all you are showing is that you aren’t worth the sacrifice.

V7_Sport on January 13, 2014 at 6:53 PM

Bridge-Ghazi is the only way to name this scandal.

Mormontheman on January 13, 2014 at 7:01 PM

Midas on January 13, 2014 at 6:16 PM

No, you’re not bitching like a prepubescent girl or anything.

Original, the old “I know you are but what am I” defense. Just about what I expect from a supposed conservative whip has said that he was going to vote for a democrat because of his conservative principles. Idiot.

Where is amnesty in the GOP platform? Ask Marco Rubio, John McCain, John Boehner, Mitch McConnell,

I asked you. Maybe your problem is with some aspect of what they want to pursue as policy rather than the entire GOP. But that’s more nuanced than sitting here and whining like an idiot that you aren’t being consulted before everyone else pulls the lever. Luke I said GFYS.

t, doesn’t matter if it’s in your f*cking ‘platform’ – they’re *SAYING* they’re going to do it.

They have been stopped before. Will Harry reid cave in to pressure? (as if you could be bothered to make a phone call or send an e-mail, it’s not in line with your drama queen diva routine)

Please, do stamp your tiny feet some more to demonstrate your sincerity.

Umm, no, I do more than b!tch and complain here. You wish the worst on the country for conservative principles or something and are too thick to see the irony.

V7_Sport on January 13, 2014 at 7:03 PM

Karl Rove: Christie’s handling of this Bridgegate thing could give him “street cred” with tea partiers

WTF?

Count to 10 on January 13, 2014 at 7:04 PM

Midas on January 13, 2014 at 6:16 PM

No, you’re not bitching like a prepubescent girl or anything.

Original, the old “I know you are but what am I” defense. Just about what I expect from a supposed conservative whip has said that he was going to vote for a democrat because of his conservative principles. Idiot.

Where is amnesty in the GOP platform? Ask Marco Rubio, John McCain, John Boehner, Mitch McConnell,

I asked you. Maybe your problem is with some aspect of what they want to pursue as policy rather than the entire GOP. But that’s more nuanced than sitting here and whining like an idiot that you aren’t being consulted before everyone else pulls the lever. Luke I said GFYS.

t, doesn’t matter if it’s in your f*cking ‘platform’ – they’re *SAYING* they’re going to do it.

They have been stopped before. Will Harry reid cave in to pressure? (as if you could be bothered to make a phone call or send an e-mail, it’s not in line with your drama queen diva routine)

Please, do stamp your tiny feet some more to demonstrate your sincerity.

Umm, no, I do more than b!tch and complain here. You openly wish for the worst for the country for conservative principles or something, yet you are too thick to see the irony.

V7_Sport on January 13, 2014 at 7:05 PM

A combination of this, plus the Democrat Super Delegates are causing the Democrat Primary voters to “cross-over” wherever they can (not all states allow it), and vote for the ‘Chris Christie’ candidates, on their respective (by state, and District) Republican Primary ballots.

listens2glenn on January 13, 2014 at 6:32 PM

“Democrat Super Delegates ” causing crossovers in the GOP primaries.. Makes perfect sense, you forgot the accent aliens though.

V7_Sport on January 13, 2014 at 7:11 PM

* fighting and dying (thanks auto-correct)

V7_Sport on January 13, 2014 at 7:17 PM

People died for your right to vote, all you are showing is that you aren’t worth the sacrifice.

V7_Sport on January 13, 2014 at 6:53 PM

No. People died for the Constitution. There’s a difference … which you, evidently, don’t understand. Without the Constitution, voting is essentially meaningless.

Go support the Vichy GOP (who support the treasonous dems and the Indonesian) and stop bugging the rest of us – since you obviously have no idea what you’re talking about. You are a perfect Chrispy Chreme voter.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 13, 2014 at 7:32 PM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair

No. People died for the Constitution. There’s a difference … which you, evidently, don’t understand. Without the Constitution, voting is essentially meaningless.

Again, Amazing. You don’t have to read too far into the Constitution to see that the right to vote is in it… It’s all the way in Article 1. Don’t presume to tell me why people serve the country.

Go support the Vichy GOP (who support the treasonous dems and the Indonesian)

Such a reasoned counterargument. Oh wait, no it isn’t, I told you something you didn’t want to hear and you are in effect jamming your fingers in your ears and refusing to hear it like a petulant 2 year old. Too bad.

and stop bugging the rest of us

I’m not too concerned about not being in the in crowd when the in crowd can’t seem to do anything here but trash what’s left of the country and refuse to do anything to make a bad situation better. Making things better isn’t ironically thumping your chest about how conservative you are while you enable socialists.

since you obviously have no idea what you’re talking about.

Said the Constitutional scholar.

V7_Sport on January 13, 2014 at 7:51 PM

V7_Sport on January 13, 2014 at 7:05 PM

Enjoy the f*cking, chicken. The GOP certainly appreciate your eagerness to continue taking it up the backside, I’m sure.

Do you get something out of it as well? I mean, beyond the deluded satisfaction that apparently results from letting yourself be used by the grinning enemies of the Constitution and their accomplices, as they take turns reaming you from both ends at the same time, and high-fiving each other over how stupid you are? You do realize that you’re utterly ineffective, don’t you? All of your efforts, literally for naught, as the GOP destroys the country when they’re in charge, and helps the DNC destroy it when they’re not?

And there you are, ignorantly self-righteous, actually thinking you’re making a difference – all evidence to the contrary. How cute. How special. A wonderful, proud little self-important presumptuous shitflake on top of an insignificant little pile of shit, eagerly awaiting the next steaming pile of shit to be dropped on it, all the while managing to convince yourself that it’s not shit they keep dumping on your head, and bleating at anyone that bothers to point out you’re being covered in shit.

I’m a conservative. The GOP has openly declared political war on me and those like me – and *you*, you sniveling crapweasel, suggest we should… send them money, work for them, support them, and more? You – and they – are utterly beneath contempt.

Midas on January 13, 2014 at 7:57 PM

Moby 3, 2014 at 7:57 PM

Enjoy the f*cking, chicken. The GOP certainly appreciate your eagerness to continue taking it up the backside, I’m sure.

Enjoy repeating your lame, old, hackneyed expression that jumped the shark in 2007 over and over as if you were amusing. Repeat it as if you were anything other than a lemming.
Then, enjoy your unemployment, your government cheese and your Obamaphone when the democrats that you have enabled put your company out of business and you can finally make it official and cross the loser finish line.

Do you get something out of it as well? I mean, beyond the deluded satisfaction that apparently results from letting yourself be used by the grinning enemies of the Constitution and their accomplices,

AGAIN, YOU ARE THE IDIOT WHO HAS ADVOCATED VOTING FOR DEMOCRATS. THAT is ENABELING the enemies of the Constitution. Fool.

as they take turns reaming you from both ends at the same time,

And as we see, invariably, the biggest fools also have no class.

All of your efforts, literally for naught, as the GOP destroys the country when they’re in charge, and helps the DNC destroy it when they’re not?

If the country is destroyed either way; Why don’t you just get the hell out? Could it be that you are just an attention whore who is rationalizing being an idiot as well?

And there you are, ignorantly self-righteous, actually thinking you’re making a difference –

LOL, Nothing ignorant about you rationalizing sitting on your ass or actually voting for what you acknowledge is the worst for the country. Yes, I will work to make a difference, you are working to demoralize and suppress the GOP turnout and help elect democrats. You are either a moby or a moron.

A wonderful, proud little self-important presumptuous shitflake on top of an insignificant little pile of shit, eagerly awaiting the next steaming pile of shit to be dropped on it, all the while managing to convince yourself that it’s not shit they keep dumping on your head, and bleating at anyone that bothers to point out you’re being covered in shit.

LOL, stay classy. Hey, Leave. Get out of the country if you believe it is all sh!t. You owe it to yourself to go find somewhere else to whine and complain about.

I’m a conservative.

There is nothing conservative about enabling socialists to take power, to the point where you have even advocated voting for them. You are a liar, if not to us then to yourself.

The GOP has openly declared political war on me and those like me – and *you*,

Bull.

we should… send them money, work for them, support them, and more?

LOL, better to sit on your ass and whine that not enough has been done for you by the people who you constantly denigrate in a country that you constantly call crap. You obviously have no pride, in yourself or the country. Perhaps you should find someplace that won’t hold you back… Right? That way you can achieve the greatness that’s in you or something. Go find some other society to stab in the back.

V7_Sport on January 13, 2014 at 8:29 PM

Again, Amazing. You don’t have to read too far into the Constitution to see that the right to vote is in it… It’s all the way in Article 1. Don’t presume to tell me why people serve the country.

V7_Sport on January 13, 2014 at 7:51 PM

Really? Quote it for me. Please.

In the original formulation, voting by the People (“chuse”, actually) was only for the House of REPRESENTATIVES and even that was very much restricted. There were no calls for any sort of popular vote for Senators, who were chosen by whatever way the state legislatures decided, and not for the President, who was elected by the Electoral College. If you ever actually read the Constitution you would know that the word “vote” is only used with respect to votes by Congressmen, not individual votes by citizens.

People take an oath to defend the Constitution, not to defend someone’s “right” to vote.

Do you like parading your ignorance around in public?

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 13, 2014 at 8:34 PM

V7_Sedan,

Amazing. So people don’t vote for who gets to run, it’s all decided by Karl Rove in his hollowed out volcano, evil lair “establishment”… Sorry, I thought I was interacting with someone who was at least reality-adjasent.

“Adjasent”? Are you going to blame this on the auto-correct, too?

They are in the closet and under the bed and come out when your night light burns out as well.

With little weasley enablers like you, the establishment has no need to be “in the closet” or “under the bed.” They can go about their work in the open, confident that butt clingers like yourself are protecting their rear.

Maybe if more of you would vote… So how’s this for a solution, join and lobby for a closed primary. But that takes actual work and complaining here doesn’t. Are you aware that there are people fighting and dieting for your right to vote?

The solution is to understand the difference between voting for a real change for the better, and voting for a less bad choice that will only pollute your brand.

What did I get out of my two votes for George W. Bush? I got bigger government. I got incompetent war leadership that focused on Wilsonian aims over Jacksonian aims. I got bailouts. I got tax cuts that were not permanent. And in the end, Dubya’s final gift to me for my support was Barack Obama – a gift that keeps on giving.

There have been steadily more closed primaries for years,
(There are some states who’s constitution interferes with that by the way.) Ohio, for instance tightened it’s voter affiliation rules (and the opposition to that came from the democrats and independents) so your conspiracy theory is BS.

You didn’t read your link, did you?

The increase in closed primaries for the GOP is a legacy from 1972 to 1992. That was back when the GOP was actually proud to be the political party representing conservatives and didn’t want Democrats helping to nominate GOP candidates.

Now that the GOP is no longer as keen to be associated with real conservatives, the establishment is fighting to change the old system to be more inclusive, thereby allowing more moderate candidates to win the nominations with independent and Democratic help.

And there’s no conspiracy to this. A conspiracy has to be secret. The establishment is working openly to change the process.

People died for your right to vote, all you are showing is that you aren’t worth the sacrifice.

Don’t get overly dramatic, princess. I’m a veteran who fought in Desert Shield and Desert Storm and I can tell you I didn’t join up so that I could support your shitty options for president. I joined up to support freedom and that includes the freedom not to participate when the choices are equally bad.

Pincher Martin on January 13, 2014 at 8:43 PM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 13, 2014 at 8:34 PM

He’s just babbling. He’s trying to argue that if we don’t support Christie or Jeb Bush for president in 2016, then we’re… *SOB* …giving away our freedoms and dishonoring the men who fought for this country !

Spoken like a true armchair patriot.

Pincher Martin on January 13, 2014 at 8:48 PM

Pincher Martin on January 13, 2014 at 8:48 PM

Yeah … but, at least, now he knows that voting by the citizenry was never even mentioned in the main body of the Constitution – other than the one side comment about the House.

He doesn’t seem to understand the difference between a Democracy and a Constitutional Republic. But, that’s how many of the GOP fanbois are.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 13, 2014 at 8:54 PM

And I used to think his white board was cute…

He’s trying to save the old GOP when the NEW GOP is about to take over.

KCsecurity1976 on January 13, 2014 at 9:17 PM

Really? Quote it for me. Please.

In the original formulation, voting by the People (“chuse”, actually) was only for the House of REPRESENTATIVES and even that was very much restricted. There were no calls for any sort of popular vote for Senators, who were chosen by whatever way the state legislatures decided, and not for the President, who was elected by the Electoral College. If you ever actually read the Constitution you would know that the word “vote” is only used with respect to votes by Congressmen, not individual votes by citizens.

People take an oath to defend the Constitution, not to defend someone’s “right” to vote.

Do you like parading your ignorance around in public?

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 13, 2014 at 8:34 PM

Wow. You are even smug about it. OK, Quote it I will.
Specifically:The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing [sic] Senators….
etc.
The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States, and the Electors in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature….
The Timestate by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing [sic] Senators….
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It’s the single right that appears most often in the Constitution’s text – five times in all. In fact, four separate Amendments – the 15th, 19th, 24th, and 26th
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And most clearly:
“The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged . . . .”

So yes, the RIGHT to vote, you idiot, is clearly spelled out in the constitution that people, including myself, swore an oath to defend and uphold. When they do, at least in the USN, it is explain to them that one of the things they are swearing to defend and uphold is the RIGHT to vote for American citizens.

V7_Sport on January 13, 2014 at 9:31 PM

Christie: I ‘Agree with Andrew Cuomo on 98% of Issues’

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/02/19/Christie-Cuomo

FloatingRock on January 13, 2014 at 9:49 PM

V7_Sport on January 13, 2014 at 9:31 PM

LOL. Read your own link, genius:

The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, chosen by the Legislature thereof, for six Years; and each Senator shall have one Vote.

Section Three provides that each state is entitled to two Senators chosen for a term of six years. The state legislatures originally chose the means of choosing the Senators. This provision has been superseded in 1913 by the Seventeenth Amendment, which provides for the direct election of Senators by the respective states’ voters.

Which is what I said.

And your moronic references to amendments about voting specifically shows that you have no idea what “the main body of the Constitution” means, which is exactly what I wrote, doofus. None of the amendments you cite is even in the Bill of Rights, which means that they were not anywhere around when the Constitution was written. Sure, idiotic measures were added later, but you don’t fight for one or two silly amendments. People fight for the Constitution, as supreme law.

If you think voting is a big thing then you are in direct conflict with the Founders and with the reason we were built as a Constitutional Republic and not a Democracy.

But, it’s a moot point now. The US is dead and buried already. All that’s left is the American Socialist Superstate and people like you who think voting is what this nation was all about. Get a friggin clue, man.

Keep voting for your Vichy GOP douchebags, like Chrispy Chreme – the big Barky supporter – or the Weeping Boner or whoever you want. I’m done with the GOP. Maybe the illegals they aid and abet will replace my vote (LOL) and you won’t need me or people like me (who have voted GOP for decades but are finally fed up with the traitors).

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 13, 2014 at 9:50 PM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 13, 2014 at 9:50 PM

Reading comprehension (and spelling, wow) are clearly above the nitwits pay grade.

Midas on January 13, 2014 at 9:54 PM

“Adjasent”? Are you going to blame this on the auto-correct, too?

That it?

With little weasley enablers like you,

So are you voting for democrats as well to teach the GOP a lesson or are you just convinced that staying home and electing socialists is somehow conservative?

the esablishment has no need to be “in the closet” or “under the bed.” They can go about their work in the open, confident that butt clingers like yourself are protecting their rear

This establishment being anyone who disagrees with you, right?

The solution is to understand the difference between voting for a real change for the better, and voting for a less bad choice that will only pollute your brand.

Every election in human history has been between the les bad choice and the bad choice. As long as humans are involved there will not be 100% perfection, which is what the spoiled babies here insist on before they go vote. You elect the best you can get and then WORK to hold their feet to the fire.

What did I get out of my two votes for George W. Bush? I got bigger government.

Call the Waambulance. Bush wasn’t great, get over it. Who was perfect?

And in the end, Dubya’s final gift to me for my support was Barack Obama – a gift that keeps on giving

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So Obama is Bush’s fault. Bush gets blamed again.

You didn’t read your link, did you?
The increase in closed primaries for the GOP is a legacy from 1972 to 1992. That was back when the GOP was actually proud to be the political party representing conservatives and didn’t want Democrats helping to nominate GOP candidates.

That’s his take on it, but, how does that contradict what I wrote?

Now that the GOP is no longer as keen to be associated with real conservatives,

Like who? Who have they booted out for being too conservative?

the establishment

Theres no such thing.

is fighting to change the old system to be more inclusive

Prove it.

Don’t get overly dramatic, princess. I’m a veteran who fought in Desert Shield and Desert Storm and I can tell you I didn’t join up so that I could support your shitty options for president.

Where, what branch? Pretty easy to claim that. I’m curious who supposedly churned out such a defeatist.

I joined up to support freedom and that includes the freedom not to participate when the choices are equally bad.

1)You have a say in what the choices are. Do you realize that? I’m running out of 2by4s to get your peoples attention; you have a say in the process.

2)there is nothing worse than the leadership we have now, yet millions of supposed conservatives couldn’t be bothered to “participate”. Am I supposed to think there is anything patriotic about that? Nope.

V7_Sport on January 13, 2014 at 9:58 PM

He’s just babbling. He’s trying to argue that if we don’t support Christie or Jeb Bush for president in 2016, then we’re… *SOB* …giving away our freedoms and dishonoring the men who fought for this country !

Pincher Martin on January 13, 2014 at 8:48 PM

No, idiot, you are aligning yourself with people who have advocated voting for democrats to bring on the worst for the country to teach the electorate a lesson or bring about the downfall.
And if you din’t think you are dishonoring the people who fought and died for this country by cavalierly p!ssing away the freedoms they left you then you don’t have any idea what honor is.

V7_Sport on January 13, 2014 at 10:05 PM

For, V -1 engine, here is HL Mencken to explain the LIB strategy.

Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.

H. L. Mencken

nobar on January 13, 2014 at 10:21 PM

Which is what I said.

No, idiot, what you said, wrote was this:

No. People died for the Constitution. There’s a difference … which you, evidently, don’t understand.

And

People take an oath to defend the Constitution, not to defend someone’s “right” to vote.

And what I have shown you that the right to vote is guaranteed in the Constitution.

And your moronic references to amendments about voting specifically shows that you have no idea what “the main body of the Constitution” means,

Again, idiot, you wrote that People take an oath to defend the Constitution, not to defend someone’s “right” to vote” which is comical. It’s a land-speed record for a self-contradictory statement. The right to vote is guaranteed in the constitution starting with article 1 which establishes elections. (no elections, no vote)

None of the amendments you cite is even in the Bill of Rights

So they don’t exist?

which means that they were not anywhere around when the Constitution was written.

Your understanding is wrong, however, even if it were so, Troops don’t swear allegiance to the Bill of Rights. Again, the right to vote is enshrined in the Constitution.

Sure, idiotic measures were added later,

Lame. You lose.

If you think voting is a big thing then you are in direct conflict with the Founders and with the reason we were built as a Constitutional Republic and not a Democracy.

You can’t have a republic without elections, you can’t have elections without the vote.

The US is dead and buried already. All that’s left is the American Socialist Superstate and people like you who think voting is what this nation was all about. Get a friggin clue, man.

Get the hell out, boy. If you think it’s dead and buried get your whiney ass out and go pollute some other country. One that you know more about hopefully.

Keep voting for your Vichy GOP douchebags,

Someone taught you a new word, huh. Vichy. Should have paid more attention to Civics 101.

…and you won’t need me or people like me (who have voted GOP for decades but are finally fed up with the traitors).

You are a traitor. And a smug fool.

V7_Sport on January 13, 2014 at 10:26 PM

So are you voting for democrats as well to teach the GOP a lesson or are you just convinced that staying home and electing socialists is somehow conservative?

V7_Sport on January 13, 2014 at 9:58 PM

I’m planning on voting anti-incumbent in ’14 and ’16. If there is a Republican incumbent I’ll be voting for the Democrat or 3rd party challenger, and if there is a Democrat Incumbent I’ll vote for the Republican or 3rd party challenger. If it’s a Republican who isn’t an incumbent, such as somebody who defeated the GOP incumbent in a primary, then I’ll vote for the Republican even if there is a Democrat challenger. If it is a crony-crapitalist Republican incumbent and no challenger I will not vote and will cross it out to help make sure somebody on the inside doesn’t fill it in for me.

In the presidential race, if there is a good tea party or libertarian then I’ll vote for them, if not then I will probably write in Edward Snowden, but at the moment, (after letting my imagination get carried away and reading your comments in the voice of Karl Rove), if the race is between Hillary verses Jeb or Christie or Rubio or Paul Ryan or any other amnesty support crony-capitalist, I will probably vote for Hillary before I’ll vote for any of them. Actually I think Bill Clinton was better than either Bush in many ways, worse in others. Both parties are totally corrupt and the GOP is too corrupt to save, IMO, but since the two K-Street Crony Parties have rigged the electoral system so that it’s locked into a two-party system, that means those of us that want to reform DC have to eliminate one of the parties if we are going to have a chance to save our freedom, liberty and be a prosperous country again.

FloatingRock on January 13, 2014 at 10:27 PM

Reading comprehension (and spelling, wow) are clearly above the nitwits pay grade.
Midas

Said the idiot who has advocated voting for democrats as a “force multiplayer” to teach the GOP a lesson.
I can’t help but notice you couldn’t rebut anything I wrote.

Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.

H. L. Mencken

Heh, I think I was the one who tossed that little gem out over at Ace of Spades after the ’08 loss. Give some monkeys a sharp object sooner or later you are going to to need a band-aid.

V7_Sport on January 13, 2014 at 10:33 PM

Get the hell out, boy. If you think it’s dead and buried get your whiney ass out and go pollute some other country. One that you know more about hopefully.

V7_Sport on January 13, 2014 at 10:26 PM

I think he should stay here and help us fight for our freedom and liberty and corruptocrats like yourself who’ve helped Washington DC destroy the country are the ones who should get the hell out, boy.

FloatingRock on January 13, 2014 at 10:35 PM

My word, the loons are out tonight. What’s that?…. does anyone else hear helicopters? I… I don’t see them.

Black helicop…..? Wait! …a red light! I….

/static

Irritable Pundit on January 13, 2014 at 10:41 PM

Reading comprehension (and spelling, wow) are clearly above the nitwits pay grade.

Midas

Said the idiot who has advocated voting for democrats as a “force multiplayer” to teach the GOP a lesson.

V7_Sport on January 13, 2014 at 10:33 PM

If that’s what Midas said, I agree. If the GOP establishment defeats most of their tea party challengers in the primaries and there is no hope left to reform the GOP, then in that case, unless there is a popular 3rd party effort in response that I can support, I’ll probably be voting Democrat down the line in ’14 and ’16 hoping to eliminate the GOP. I’ve been saying for years, and have so far been proven accurate by events, that the GOP is too corrupt to save and that the tea party is wasting it’s time when there is not time to waste. Washington DC has rigged the electoral system, as I think I mentioned above, and have shut out anybody but the two parties. Unless there is reason to hope that we can reform the GOP then the only thing left to do is to try to eliminate the GOP to make room for a new party. If we can organize a decent sized, but still relatively small portion of Republican voters to hold their nose and vote Democrat instead of Republican, we can wipe out the GOP very quickly. In ’06 and ’08 we stayed home and the GOP lost, but now we’re organized and if voters are ticked off enough I think this may be feasible.

FloatingRock on January 13, 2014 at 10:42 PM

Heh, I think I was the one who tossed that little gem out over at Ace of Spades after the ’08 loss. Give some monkeys a sharp object sooner or later you are going to to need a band-aid.

V7_Sport on January 13, 2014 at 10:33 PM

I see. So the principle was good enough then, but why not now? I didn’t vote for McCain (not enough, wouldn’t have anyway) and I’m pro-national divorce.

nobar on January 13, 2014 at 10:46 PM

I can’t help but notice you couldn’t rebut anything I wrote.

V7_Sport on January 13, 2014 at 10:33 PM

Did. Every bit of it. Repeatedly.

Seriously, do try to work on your reading comprehension, maybe add a dash of contemplative reasoning in for flavor. You’re very quick to a) leap to a blindingly stupid and wrong conclusion about a sliver of what someone said because you’re dimwitted and simply can’t read very well, and then b) prattle on endlessly as though you have the foggiest idea about what you’re saying.

If you were remotely self-aware, you’d realize that you ought to be incredibly embarrassed by your ignorance, but no – you continually double-down on it.

Midas on January 13, 2014 at 10:54 PM

Christie is a no go.

Period.

Those days are over.

Meremortal on January 13, 2014 at 10:54 PM

No, idiot, you are aligning yourself with people who have advocated voting for democrats to bring on the worst for the country to teach the electorate a lesson or bring about the downfall.

V7_Sport on January 13, 2014 at 10:05 PM

I haven’t read most of the earlier comments in this thread but I doubt that’s an accurate summation. The idea is that if crony-capitalist GOP incumbents infused with millions of crony dollars defeat the tea party in the primaries and there is no more hope to reform the GOP then we can’t just give up trying to save our freedom, liberty and prosperity from DC cronies. The only thing left for us to do is go 3rd party, but because the K-Street Crony Party in DC has rigged the electoral system and a 3rd party is impossible there is no choice but to eliminate one of the two corrupt parties that are destroying the country. If we fail in the primaries then the only path left to us is in the general, and if instead of staying home we instead organize a movement to vote Democrat, we can wipe out most of the GOP very quickly to make room for a reform party.

Of course people like you, who I imagine is a DC insider, want to paint this in the worst possible light by saying, “to bring on the worst for the country to teach the electorate a lesson or bring about the downfall.” But that isn’t true, the goal isn’t revenge, it’s reform. The goal is to save our freedom and liberty from people like you so that we can be a prosperous country again. Not just for the elites in Boomtown DC, but everybody.

FloatingRock on January 13, 2014 at 11:02 PM

FloatingRock

If there is a Republican incumbent I’ll be voting for the Democrat or 3rd party challenger, and if there is a Democrat Incumbent I’ll vote for the Republican or 3rd party challenger.

Why not just toss a dart at a phonebook?

In the presidential race, if there is a good tea party or libertarian then I’ll vote for them, if not then I will probably write in Edward Snowden,

Why not Bradley Manning or Alex Jones? Glenn Greanwald perhaps.

I think he should stay here and help us fight for our freedom and liberty

Well, your opinion is logically flawless. He thinks the country is through and won’t lift a finger to “fight” for it, but, details. Maybe you should write in Julian Assange for president, huh? Would that be a good idea?

and corruptocrats like yourself

How did you come to that conclusion? Never mind. Evidence, Reality by correspondence, these things are trivialities in your world, right?

who’ve helped Washington DC destroy the country

If the country is “destroyed” why stick around? Your work is done here, move on to somewhere else. I happen to think it’s worth fighting for.

V7_Sport on January 13, 2014 at 11:16 PM

Still no scanner fantasy re: Rove :(

Murphy9 on January 13, 2014 at 11:16 PM

You are a perfect Chrispy Chreme voter sockpuppet.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 13, 2014 at 7:32 PM

Fixed for accuracy. It only comes out on “GOP betraying conservatives” threads to accuse us of being unpatriotic if we don’t give full-throated support to the GOP.

Don’t see it railing against one of the grand Pooh-Bah GOPe spurning the conservative that beat him and is now aiding Sam Nunn’s daughter in GA.

As for his nic, he’s one stroke short of American muscle.

AH_C on January 13, 2014 at 11:19 PM

nobar

I see. So the principle was good enough then, but why not now?

Then it was a curse, now it’s somehow a principle.

I’m pro-national divorce.

??? You want the country broken up?

.

Midas

I can’t help but notice you couldn’t rebut anything I wrote.

V7_Sport on January 13, 2014 at 10:33 PM

Did. Every bit of it. Repeatedly.

It’s all up there, anyone can see that’s a lie.

You’re very quick to a) leap to a blindingly stupid and wrong conclusion about a sliver of what someone said because you’re dimwitted and simply can’t read very well

So is this you backtracking on voting for democrats as a force multiplier to hasten the downfall? Backtracking on the country being finished and all that?

If you were remotely self-aware, you’d realize that you ought to be incredibly embarrassed by your ignorance, but no – you continually double-down on it.

Psychological projection.

V7_Sport on January 13, 2014 at 11:23 PM

FloatingRock

If we fail in the primaries then the only path left to us is in the general, and if instead of staying home we instead organize a movement to vote Democrat, we can wipe out most of the GOP very quickly to make room for a reform party.

Translation:”Give me everything I want, even if it doesn’t exist or I will blow it all up because I am world leader pretend.”

Of course people like you, who I imagine is a DC insider,

Wrong

want to paint this in the worst possible light by saying, “to bring on the worst for the country to teach the electorate a lesson or bring about the downfall.

Others have said almost exactly that, cue AH_C.

”The goal is to save our freedom and liberty from people like you

Paranoid much?

so that we can be a prosperous country again.

Because the rubble that the democrats will leave you will be so prosperous. Seen the debt clock recently?

V7_Sport on January 13, 2014 at 11:30 PM

??? You want the country broken up?
V7_Sport on January 13, 2014 at 11:23 PM

Yes I do. I believe that the free peoples have no business calling those who want an all encompassing government their countrymen. As such, divvy up the nation according to their principles (notice that this will divide states) and let them form their own unions. This would likely result in about 4 Americas (with the largest being the socialist super state that we use to america).

nobar on January 13, 2014 at 11:31 PM

*used to call

nobar on January 13, 2014 at 11:35 PM

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