Quotes of the day

posted at 8:31 pm on January 10, 2014 by Allahpundit

New documents related to a traffic jam planned by a member of New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie’s (R) staff show for the first time how furiously Christie’s lieutenants inside the Port Authority worked to orchestrate a coverup after traffic mayhem engulfed Fort Lee last year.

Inside the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, Christie’s top appointees neglected furious complaints from Fort Lee’s police chief as well as from angry rush-hour commuters. One woman called asking why the agency was “playing God with people’s jobs.”

The Republican governor’s appointees instructed subordinates to stonewall reporters who were asking questions. They even ordered up an actual “traffic study” to chronicle the impact and examine whether closing the lanes permanently might improve traffic flow. The study’s conclusion: “TBD.”

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Port Authority Executive Director Pat Foye wrote an impassioned email to the general manager of the George Washington Bridge on Sept. 13, arguing that lane closures that spiraled into a major scandal this week were illegal…

“This hasty and ill-advised decision has resulted in delays to emergency vehicles. I pray that no life has been lost or trip of a hospital- or hospice-bound patient delayed,” he wrote. He added: “I believe this hasty and ill-advised decision violates Federal Law and the laws of both States.”

“To be clear,” Foye declared, “I will get to the bottom of this abusive decision which violates everything this agency stands for; I intend to learn how PA process was wrongfully subverted and the public interest damaged to say nothing of the credibility of this agency.”

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In less than 24 hours, the big three networks have devoted 17 times more coverage to a traffic scandal involving Chris Christie than they’ve allowed in the last six months to Barack Obama’s Internal Revenue Service controversy. Since the story broke on Wednesday that aides to the New Jersey governor punished a local mayor’s lack of endorsement with a massive traffic jam, ABC, CBS and NBC have responded with 34 minutes and 28 seconds of coverage. Since July 1, these same networks managed a scant two minutes and eight seconds for the IRS targeting of Tea Party groups.

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“When I read that quote, Joe, about ‘who cares about those kids, they voted for the other guy.’ The first thing that came to my mind was that’s exactly how Sunnis would talk about Shiites or Shiites would talk about Sunnis in Baghdad or Beirut,” Friedman told host Joe Scarborough on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” on Thursday.

Friedman drew a comparison to conditions that plunged Lebanon into civil war, saying the messages are “sick.”

“The Lebanese civil war started in 1975 when a school bus got shot up,” Friedman said. “And I think that’s a sign of how — sometimes you need to read a quote like that to realize how far we’ve descended, how deep the polarization has become. These aren’t fellow citizens, these aren’t fellow New Jerseyans: They are the enemy. That’s really sick.”

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Do you have to believe the governor knowingly has said things that aren’t true?

I think when he has had previous press conferences, it’s hard to believe he didn’t have some knowledge … in some way. After the stuff started coming out about some phony traffic study? Come on, you knew this was bullshit. You should’ve been saying this back then.

Do you believe that the governor directly instructed that these lanes be shut down?

No. But at the very least, the least that could have happened is he created this climate about – that he has: We destroy our enemies. Alleged enemies. In other words, anybody that … [hasn’t] agreed with us 100 percent is an enemy, and has to be stamped out.

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Christie says he awoke Wednesday morning, went to the gym and then got a call from an aide about a report in a New Jersey newspaper with the bombshell allegations about his aides.

He was “blindsided” and “shocked,” saying it was all new to him.

Then came this revelation:

“I haven’t had a lot of sleep the last two nights, and I’ve been doing a lot of soul-searching.”

Two nights?

If Christie found out about the emails a day before he spoke to the media, what kept him up the first night?

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There’s another question besides that. This aide of his that he fired, the woman who sent the e-mail: “Okay, time for traffic problems in Fort Lee.” The fact that that meant what it meant means that there is a culture there. If I, in my normal day, let’s say I got an e-mail: “Okay, time for traffic problems.” I wouldn’t have the slightest idea what to do with that. But somebody did. They knew exactly what that meant. That, to me, is quite telling, on both ends. The aide sends the e-mail, and the recipient of the e-mail knew what to do with it. Okay, time for traffic problems in Fort Lee.

Okay, well, what kind of stuff like that went on before that that was essentially the education? ‘Cause I doubt there was ever a meeting, “Look, there may be a day when we’ll send you an e-mail, and it’ll say ‘Time for traffic problems in Fort Lee.’ What that means is, you close down three lanes or two lanes for a month and you cause all kinds of traffic so that we can end up blaming it on the mayor there.” I doubt that meeting was ever held.

So what the e-mail means is, whoever sent it — well, the woman that sent it and the recipient knew that that means the mayor of Fort Lee is a scumbag and it’s time to get even with this scumbag, and we’re gonna pay this scumbag back by ruining traffic in his town. So there’s a culture there. Eventually somebody will get on to that.

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Gridlockgate — has anyone called it that yet? — is at the top of the scandal scale. It sounds like the kind of thing Nixon’s more reckless operatives might have tried, but at least they confined their mischief to their political enemies. Christie’s political hatchet-wielders directed their mischief in a manner that disrupted the lives of thousands of ordinary citizens entirely removed from and blameless in the partisan conflicts of the state’s political class…

These scandals are more consequential to American government than abusing the placement of traffic cones for a few days, and it would be good if Republicans had a candidate in 2016 able to make the comprehensive case about the systematic corruption at the heart of government today. But it is harder for Christie to make this case now, having handed his enemies a cheap retort.

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A new Rasmussen Reports telephone survey finds that 54% of Likely New Jersey Voters believe it’s at least somewhat likely that Christie was aware that traffic lanes onto the George Washington Bridge were being closed as retaliation for the mayor of Fort Lee’s refusal to support the governor’s reelection…

Fifty-six percent (56%) of New Jersey voters believe Christie should resign if it is proven that he approved of retaliation against an elected official who refused to support him. Just 29% disagree, while 15% are not sure…

Thirty-nine percent (39%) of all voters in the state say they are less likely to vote for Christie to be president in 2016 because of the Fort Lee incident. Fourteen percent (14%) are more likely to vote for him. Another 39% say the incident will have no impact on their voting decision.

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Odds on qotd being about fatboy?

wolly4321 on January 8, 2014 at 9:05 PM

:-)

ShainS on January 10, 2014 at 8:34 PM

BISHOP!

Lanceman on January 10, 2014 at 8:35 PM

The Traffic Jam Post….

Electrongod on January 10, 2014 at 8:41 PM

Alternate Headline:

IDIOT Discovers That His Nose Ring IS Hooked Into His Colon Sphincter And The Other Rats Are Taking His Cheese And Kicking Him”

OR

“Grin Bleck Discovers That The “Thinking” Part of His Brain IS in His Lower Colon”

williamg on January 10, 2014 at 8:41 PM

The Traffic Jam Post….

Electrongod on January 10, 2014 at 8:41 PM

That’s GOVERNOR Traffic Jam……

williamg on January 10, 2014 at 8:42 PM

They even ordered up an actual “traffic study” to chronicle the impact and examine whether closing the lanes permanently might improve traffic flow. The study’s conclusion: “TBD.”

I couldn’t get over Fox and Friends this morning positively speaking of Christie as if he was heroic, the Commander General. Our Republican stalwart. Really lowered my opinion of the hosts: if Moaning Joe and crew get “talking points” every morning, so do Brian and Steve and Elizabeth. Kilmeade was especially infuriating and I’d like to see his response if it was a Democrat governor and the kids on the delayed busses were “Republican voter’s children”.

Marcus on January 10, 2014 at 8:44 PM

Yep.

wolly4321 on January 10, 2014 at 8:44 PM

Wolly bishop by proxy.

Murphy9 on January 10, 2014 at 8:46 PM

Dumbest scandal of life. But now that there’s evidence Christie met with the head of the Port Authority just before the closures, it seems the cover up is pretty interesting.

libfreeordie on January 10, 2014 at 8:48 PM

Dumbest scandal of life.

libfreeordie on January 10, 2014 at 8:48 PM

But a scandal that takes the lives of 4 Americans is not a scandal at all….hmmm?

Electrongod on January 10, 2014 at 8:49 PM

Odds on qotd being about fatboy?

wolly4321 on January 8, 2014 at 9:05 PM

:-)

ShainS on January 10, 2014 at 8:34 PM


Well done, grasshopper.

PolAgnostic on January 10, 2014 at 8:50 PM

Yep.

wolly4321 on January 10, 2014 at 8:44 PM

Wolly bishop by proxy.

Murphy9 on January 10, 2014 at 8:46 PM

Heh.

At this point, we may need an over/under on the Christie QOTD, er, streak

ShainS on January 10, 2014 at 8:50 PM

wolly bishop by proxy. Murphy9 on January 10, 2014 at 8:46 PM

I’m looking to build an army of proxies. ;)

wolly4321 on January 10, 2014 at 8:50 PM

Wow. I’d been giving the Christie admin the benefit of the doubt, but this looks bad. Not as bad as the ignored IRS, FF, Benghazi, etc. scandals, but bad nonetheless.

besser tot als rot on January 10, 2014 at 8:51 PM

In less than 24 hours, the big three networks have devoted 17 times more coverage to a traffic scandal involving Chris Christie than they’ve allowed in the last six months to Barack Obama’s Internal Revenue Service controversy.

Politicians come and go. Even Obama will go. The alphabets are the ones that have got to go.

de rigueur on January 10, 2014 at 8:51 PM

To those saying that Obama’s scandals are bigger than Christie’s. Well duh. One’s the governor of New Jersey and one is the President. The question is how retributive will Christie be once he’s President. The other problem is this scandal puts the footage of him screaming and insulting people in public meetings, which conservatives used to cream themselves over, in a new and decidedly less favorable light.

libfreeordie on January 10, 2014 at 8:52 PM

The question is how retributive will Christie be once he’s President.

libfreeordie on January 10, 2014 at 8:52 PM

Definitely *A* question. Not *the* question. I also have questions about the Obama scandals and abuses of power that are ignored by the press.

besser tot als rot on January 10, 2014 at 8:53 PM

What does it cost to go through th gwb?

wolly4321 on January 10, 2014 at 8:54 PM

The question is how retributive will Christie be once he’s President. The other problem is this scandal puts the footage of him screaming and insulting people in public meetings, which conservatives used to cream themselves over, in a new and decidedly less favorable light.

libfreeordie on January 10, 2014 at 8:52 PM

Christie isn’t President…
But the Scandalist Obama is….

And the Scandalist Obama has publicly insulted Americans…
With the help of TOTUS…

Electrongod on January 10, 2014 at 8:54 PM

Dumbest scandal of life. But now that there’s evidence Christie Obama met with the head of the Port Authority IRS just before the closures systematic denial of (or failure to take action on) 501c3 status to conservative groups, it seems the cover up is pretty interesting.

libfreeordie on January 10, 2014 at 8:48 PM

Uh-huh.

de rigueur on January 10, 2014 at 8:55 PM

Are there any bridges left in the NE that you can cross for free?

wolly4321 on January 10, 2014 at 8:56 PM

The question is how retributive will Christie be once he’s President.

libfreeordie on January 10, 2014 at 8:52 PM

If he just punishes his enemies, what’s the problem?

de rigueur on January 10, 2014 at 8:58 PM

In terms of boondoggles that actually cost or risked American lives, Obama has been one of the most scandal free Administration’s since Eisenhower. Its a matter of simple math.

libfreeordie on January 10, 2014 at 8:59 PM

In terms of boondoggles that actually cost or risked American lives, Obama has been one of the most scandal free Administration’s since Eisenhower. Its a matter of simple math. libfreeordie on January 10, 2014 at 8:59pm

Gates seems to disagree.

So do the families of 4 caskets home from benghazi.

wolly4321 on January 10, 2014 at 9:04 PM

Brian Terry. Libdouche. How many innocent Mexicans as well?

wolly4321 on January 10, 2014 at 9:06 PM

Obama has been one of the most scandal free Administration’s since Eisenhower. Its a matter of simple math.

libfreeordie on January 10, 2014 at 8:59 PM

“Brought to you by MSNBC”

Electrongod on January 10, 2014 at 9:07 PM

I really think progs and the media (BIRM) overestimate how much of a sh… darn people in other parts of the country care about traffic in NJ.

mchristian on January 10, 2014 at 9:07 PM

Obama has been one of the most scandal free Administration’s since Eisenhower. Its a matter of simple math.

libfreeordie on January 10, 2014 at 8:59 PM

5 million lost their healthcare plan…to date…

By this President…

Electrongod on January 10, 2014 at 9:09 PM

How many SEALS were on that Chinook?

wolly4321 on January 10, 2014 at 9:09 PM

Obama has been one of the most scandal free Administration’s since Eisenhower. Its a matter of simple math.

libfreeordie on January 10, 2014 at 8:59 PM

Another 10′s of millions are unemployed….

Who needs a bullet when you have Obama and the libs…

Electrongod on January 10, 2014 at 9:11 PM

What percentage of war dead are barkys?

wolly4321 on January 10, 2014 at 9:11 PM

Christie says he awoke Wednesday morning, went to the gym and then got a call from an aide about a report in a New Jersey newspaper with the bombshell allegations about his aides.

He was “blindsided” and “shocked,” saying it was all new to him.

Then came this revelation:

“I haven’t had a lot of sleep the last two nights, and I’ve been doing a lot of soul-searching.”

Two nights?

If Christie found out about the emails a day before he spoke to the media, what kept him up the first night?

Limbaugh scoops ABC:

The above quote from ABC: Chris Christie Bridge Scandal: The Next Shoes to Drop Jan. 10, 2014

Rush: Rush Limbaugh: Why Did Christie Not Sleep Well for Two Nights if He just Learned of Staffers Role in Bridge Mess Yesterday? – Video 1/9/14

“Members of the media, don’t go away. Your show prep will continue.”

davidk on January 10, 2014 at 9:11 PM

Somebody get Christie in the ground. He’s starting to stink the place up something fierce as his bloated body decays.

VorDaj on January 10, 2014 at 9:11 PM

Obama has been one of the most scandal free Administration’s since Eisenhower. Its a matter of simple math.

libfreeordie on January 10, 2014 at 8:59 PM

gulp
gargle
wipe
grin

that pretty mush explains it.

dmacleo on January 10, 2014 at 9:12 PM

I couldn’t get over Fox and Friends this morning positively speaking of Christie as if he was heroic, the Commander General. Our Republican stalwart. Really lowered my opinion of the hosts: if Moaning Joe and crew get “talking points” every morning, so do Brian and Steve and Elizabeth. Kilmeade was especially infuriating and I’d like to see his response if it was a Democrat governor and the kids on the delayed busses were “Republican voter’s children”.
Marcus on January 10, 2014 at 8:44 PM

I saw that segment as well. I just shook my head and kept it moving. I can’t say I was surprised. CC is their presidential candidate of choice.

loveofcountry on January 10, 2014 at 9:12 PM

*mush=much

dmacleo on January 10, 2014 at 9:12 PM

So do the families of 4 caskets home from benghazi.

wolly4321 on January 10, 2014 at 9:04 PM

How many soldiers died in Iraq and Afghanistan? I am guessing its more than 4. I know, I know because they volunteered for the armed service, but of what makes that sacrifice honorable is that it carries the risk of death. Yet none of that means that there deaths aren’t a consequence of a badly conceived and planned invasion and occupation, which is precisely what Iraq and Afghanistan were. You can point out that Obama extended the surge in Afghanistan till the cows come home. These wars were stared by the former President and under his administration *thousands* of Americans lost their lives for absolutely nothing. And yet Benghazi is worse? You look insane when you argue that.

libfreeordie on January 10, 2014 at 9:13 PM

In terms of boondoggles that actually cost or risked American lives, Obama has been one of the most scandal free Administration’s since Eisenhower. Its a matter of simple math.

libfreeordie on January 10, 2014 at 8:59 PM

If the Mad hatter had a son … … this would be him.

VorDaj on January 10, 2014 at 9:13 PM

I couldn’t get over Fox and Friends this morning positively speaking of Christie as if he was heroic, the Commander General. Our Republican stalwart. Really lowered my opinion of the hosts: if Moaning Joe and crew get “talking points” every morning, so do Brian and Steve and Elizabeth. Kilmeade was especially infuriating and I’d like to see his response if it was a Democrat governor and the kids on the delayed busses were “Republican voter’s children”.
Marcus on January 10, 2014 at 8:44 PM

And suddenly, a lightbulb went off in Marcus head about his relationship to Fox News. Do you think that maybe *all* of their stories are derived in some part from RNC talking points or Republican party media strategy?

libfreeordie on January 10, 2014 at 9:14 PM

Is he pResident of Chicago? 400+ murders…

wolly4321 on January 10, 2014 at 9:14 PM

The lesson that needs to be learned here is not that the MSM should ease off Christie but that they need to treat Obama and every other crooked politician they can identify the same way. Obama’s comeuppance is long overdue.

FloatingRock on January 10, 2014 at 9:14 PM

Is he pResident of Chicago? 400+ murders…

wolly4321 on January 10, 2014 at 9:14 PM

He’s not. So not sure, precisely, how that’s his fault?

libfreeordie on January 10, 2014 at 9:14 PM

You can point out that Obama extended the surge in Afghanistan till the cows come home. These wars were stared by the former President and under his administration *thousands* of Americans lost their lives for absolutely nothing. And yet Benghazi is worse? You look insane when you argue that.

libfreeordie on January 10, 2014 at 9:13 PM

So you must blame JFK rather than LBJ for Vietnam. Were your parents a box of rocks and a potted plant?

VorDaj on January 10, 2014 at 9:15 PM

What does it cost to go through th gwb?
wolly4321 on January 10, 2014 at 8:54 PM

$13. Imagine forking over $13 for the privilege of sitting for 6 hours on a bridge.

Right Wingnut on January 10, 2014 at 9:16 PM

Good riddance to Christie, now it’s time for the MSM to do their job and do the same thing to Obama, Boehner, Pelosi, Reid, McConnell and every other crooked POS!

FloatingRock on January 10, 2014 at 9:16 PM

In terms of boondoggles that actually cost or risked American lives, Obama has been one of the most scandal free Administration’s since Eisenhower. Its a matter of simple math.

libfreeordie on January 10, 2014 at 8:59 PM

Lane closures vs. http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/01/09/Innocent-Drone-Deaths-now-Greater-than-Americans-Killed-on-9-11

davidk on January 10, 2014 at 9:16 PM

In terms of boondoggles that actually cost or risked American lives, Obama has been one of the most scandal free Administration’s since Eisenhower. Its a matter of simple math.
libfreeordie on January 10, 2014 at 8:59pm

Right. Because 200+ Mexicans don’t count. How about the Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry?

de rigueur on January 10, 2014 at 9:17 PM

Another 10′s of millions are unemployed….
Who needs a bullet when you have Obama and the libs…
Electrongod on January 10, 2014 at 9:11 PM

Bet you if Obama was a republican, you would be attacking those jobless folks by calling them lazy welfare queens. Spare us the outrage. We all know you don’t give a d@mn about the unemployed.

loveofcountry on January 10, 2014 at 9:19 PM

He’s not. So not sure, precisely, how that’s his fault?

libfreeordie on January 10, 2014 at 9:14 PM

Wasn’t he the State Senator of Illinois…?

And now he is the president of the nation…..

Electrongod on January 10, 2014 at 9:19 PM

In terms of boondoggles that actually cost or risked American lives, Obama has been one of the most scandal free Administration’s since Eisenhower. Its a matter of simple math.

libfreeordie on January 10, 2014 at 8:59 PM

Let’s ask Ambassador Stevens that.

davidk on January 10, 2014 at 9:19 PM

To those saying that Obama’s scandals are bigger than Christie’s. Well duh.

libfreeordie on January 10, 2014 at 8:52 PM

Nice of you to admit they’re scandals.

Lanceman on January 10, 2014 at 9:20 PM

livepeeordie on January 10, 2014 at 9:13 PM

That’s funny, I thought barky thought afghanistan was the correct war.

He owns 3/4′s of the casualties. Gates says he(barky) thought his surge would fail, then gave them 1/2 the troops they asked for.

He owns it jackwad.

wolly4321 on January 10, 2014 at 9:21 PM

So you must blame JFK rather than LBJ for Vietnam.
VorDaj on January 10, 2014 at 9:15 PM

Not exactly the same situation. LBJ was JFK’s veep, whatever LBJ’s private feelings about the war, their platform was unified on the question throughout. So both are equally responsible. We can even say that LBJ might’ve invaded Vietnam on his own. I don’t think we can say the same about Obama and Iraq.

Right. Because 200+ Mexicans don’t count. How about the Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry?

de rigueur on January 10, 2014 at 9:17 PM

Lets give you all of those deaths. 201 from Fast and Furious. *THOUSANDS* of Americans and tens of thousands of Afghanis and Iraqis died as a result of George W. Bush. Whether you include non-citizen deaths or not, there’s nothing even close between Obama and Bush in terms of scandalous, disastrous policy.

libfreeordie on January 10, 2014 at 9:21 PM

Bet you if Obama was a republican, you would be attacking those jobless folks by calling them lazy welfare queens. Spare us the outrage. We all know you don’t give a d@mn about the unemployed.

loveofcountry on January 10, 2014 at 9:19 PM

If Obama was a republican…

The ones that we on Hot Air call republicans…

We wouldn’t be talking about welfare queens…
Because there won’t be any..

Electrongod on January 10, 2014 at 9:22 PM

In terms of boondoggles that actually cost or risked American lives, Obama has been one of the most scandal free Administration’s since Eisenhower. Its a matter of simple math.

libfreeordie on January 10, 2014 at 8:59 PM

You mean like: http://www.bing.com/search?q=doj+fast+and+furious+death&pc=MOZI&form=MOZSBR

davidk on January 10, 2014 at 9:22 PM

5 million lost their healthcare plan…to date…

Absolutely a problem. But remind me, how many cancelled insurance policies = the worth of a human life for you conservatives?

libfreeordie on January 10, 2014 at 9:22 PM

For the love of Country…
WTF is wrong with you?

You think this nation is heading toward Utopia?

Really?

Electrongod on January 10, 2014 at 9:23 PM

Looks like the race-hustling pothead is willing to defend all manner of sociopathic behavior on the part of his precious savior.

CurtZHP on January 10, 2014 at 9:23 PM

You mean like: http://www.bing.com/search?q=doj+fast+and+furious+death&pc=MOZI&form=MOZSBR

davidk on January 10, 2014 at 9:22 PM

I guess it bears repeating. Thousands of American military and tens of thousands of non-American civilians were killed during the invasion and occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan under Bush. Is your claim that the deaths under Obama are worse because the lives of Mexicans matter more to you than American soliders, by a factor of 20?

libfreeordie on January 10, 2014 at 9:24 PM

Absolutely a problem. But remind me, how many cancelled insurance policies = the worth of a human life for you conservatives?

libfreeordie on January 10, 2014 at 9:22 PM

A cancelled policy is the first step to a human life…

Right?

Heading in the right direction are we?

Electrongod on January 10, 2014 at 9:24 PM

Let’s ask Ambassador Stevens that.

davidk on January 10, 2014 at 9:19 PM

I don’t think he volunteered for combat.

CurtZHP on January 10, 2014 at 9:24 PM

You think this nation is heading toward Utopia?

God no. We’re heading towards being a banana republic as American wages decline and wealth is controlled by a smaller and smaller class of super elites. But since you support government policies which facilitate the upward distribution of wealth, I’ve always assumed it was y’all who thought we were heading towards a utopia? This isn’t the economic structure you want? Its a direct result of your policies….

libfreeordie on January 10, 2014 at 9:26 PM

In terms of boondoggles that actually cost or risked American lives, Obama has been one of the most scandal free Administration’s since Eisenhower. Its a matter of simple math.

libfreeordie on January 10, 2014 at 8:59 PM

Let’s ask Edie Sundby about that: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matt-hadro/2013/11/04/cancer-patient-lose-lifesaving-insurance-policy-under-obamacare-cnn-igno

davidk on January 10, 2014 at 9:26 PM

I don’t think he volunteered for combat.

CurtZHP on January 10, 2014 at 9:24 PM

So volunteering for combat rationalizes *any* Presidential decision to go to war?

libfreeordie on January 10, 2014 at 9:27 PM

These wars were stared by the former President and under his administration *thousands* of Americans lost their lives for absolutely nothing. And yet Benghazi is worse? You look insane when you argue that.

libfreeordie on January 10, 2014 at 9:13 PM

Actually only about 575 U.S. troops were killed in Afghanistan under Bush. By the end of 2013, over 1500 U.S. troops had died in Afghanistan under Obama– a mission in which Obama’s former SecDef says the president didn’t even believe: “For him it’s all about getting home.” And just as Obama has fumbled and lost Iraq, so will he lose Afghanistan. All for nothing.

In response to former SecDef Gates, the White House defended Joe Biden as the leading statesman of our time. No contradiction of Gates on Obama’s Afghanistan “strategy.”

de rigueur on January 10, 2014 at 9:28 PM

You think this nation is heading toward Utopia?

God no. We’re heading towards being a banana republic as American wages decline and wealth is controlled by a smaller and smaller class of super elites. But since you support government policies which facilitate the upward distribution of wealth, I’ve always assumed it was y’all who thought we were heading towards a utopia? This isn’t the economic structure you want? Its a direct result of your policies….

libfreeordie on January 10, 2014 at 9:26 PM

BREAKING: Poor People Starting Businesses; Creating Jobs

davidk on January 10, 2014 at 9:28 PM

Let’s ask Edie Sundby about that: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matt-hadro/2013/11/04/cancer-patient-lose-lifesaving-insurance-policy-under-obamacare-cnn-igno

davidk on January 10, 2014 at 9:26 PM

Again. Can you count? As of now I’ve got 4 benghazi deaths, Brian Terry, 200 or so unnamed Mexicans and this highly dubious story, but lets count even her.

That’s an estimated 206 lives. Can we add anyone else, lets just get this done. Because despite your efforts to offer up examples that you think are particularly monstrous, on the pure number of lives lost its a matter of simply counting.

libfreeordie on January 10, 2014 at 9:29 PM

How’s that Liberal Press working for ya Chris…

… You know, the one’s that used you for Obowma’s re-election?

But you are just butt hurt that you didn’t change parties sooner…

… or else, “What difference would it possibly make”?

Seven Percent Solution on January 10, 2014 at 9:29 PM

What’s the body count in afghanistan under Bush ~vs~ barky,, lib?

wolly4321 on January 10, 2014 at 9:30 PM

But since you support government policies which facilitate the upward distribution of wealth, I’ve always assumed it was y’all who thought we were heading towards a utopia? This isn’t the economic structure you want? Its a direct result of your policies….

libfreeordie on January 10, 2014 at 9:26 PM

Upwards distribution of wealth requires one to participate and make it happen…
This clearly is not the direction this country is on…

Electrongod on January 10, 2014 at 9:31 PM

We’re heading towards being a banana republic as American wages decline and wealth is controlled by a smaller and smaller class of super elites. But since you support government policies which facilitate the upward distribution of wealth, I’ve always assumed it was y’all who thought we were heading towards a utopia? This isn’t the economic structure you want? Its a direct result of your policies….

libfreeordie on January 10, 2014 at 9:26 PM

After 5 years of an Obama presidency and the Democrats in complete control of Congress from 2007 to 2010, and you say “your policies…”?

Keep saying that until the cows come home. Your chickens are here, and roosting.

de rigueur on January 10, 2014 at 9:32 PM

Actually only about 575 U.S. troops were killed in Afghanistan under Bush.

Weird. I thought that Bush administered two invasions and occupations, not one. Is your claim that because Obama has overseen more casualties in Afghanistan, that we shouldn’t count Bush’s casualties in Iraq? Is this some kind of weird new version of history where the Iraq invasion and occupation did not occur?

a mission in which Obama’s former SecDef says the president didn’t even believe: “For him it’s all about getting home.”

Reflecting the beliefs of the electorate who elected him. Elections have consequences. But, again, no where near the Bush casualties.

libfreeordie on January 10, 2014 at 9:32 PM

I guess it bears repeating. Thousands of American military and tens of thousands of non-American civilians were killed during the invasion and occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan under Bush. Is your claim that the deaths under Obama are worse because the lives of Mexicans matter more to you than American soliders, by a factor of 20?

libfreeordie on January 10, 2014 at 9:24 PM

575 US troops died in Afghanistan during the Bush presidency. By August 18, 2010, following two troop surges initiated by President Obama, that number had doubled. Today, over 1500 US troops have died in Afghanistan since President Obama took office—and yet, little in that war-torn country has changed.

http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/obamavsbush

I know this may be hard for a eugenics loving baby killer to grasp, but all life matters to me.

davidk on January 10, 2014 at 9:32 PM

So volunteering for combat rationalizes *any* Presidential decision to go to war?

libfreeordie on January 10, 2014 at 9:27 PM
I didn’t see chicago jesus stop the war. In fact he ramp it up with the surge, and didn’t believe in the cause. but he still did it! and how many americans died under the watch of this administration?

SHARPTOOTH on January 10, 2014 at 9:32 PM

Lets give you all of those deaths. 201 from Fast and Furious. *THOUSANDS* of Americans and tens of thousands of Afghanis and Iraqis died as a result of George W. Bush. Whether you include non-citizen deaths or not, there’s nothing even close between Obama and Bush in terms of scandalous, disastrous policy.

libfreeordie on January 10, 2014 at 9:21 PM

You mean that scandalous, disastrous policy that Senator Hillary Clinton voted for?

Why is Guantanamo still open?

rockmom on January 10, 2014 at 9:33 PM

After 5 years of an Obama presidency and the Democrats in complete control of Congress from 2007 to 2010, and you say “your policies…”?

Keep saying that until the cows come home. Your chickens are here, and roosting.

de rigueur on January 10, 2014 at 9:32 PM

Outside of healthcare if you can discern any economic policies of Obama’s that are fundamentally different than those passed under Ronald Reagan I’d like to see it.

libfreeordie on January 10, 2014 at 9:33 PM

de rigueur on January 10, 2014 at 9:28 PM

Exactly. Thank you.

And didn’t barky get elected saying afghanistan was the correct war?

wolly4321 on January 10, 2014 at 9:34 PM

ou mean that scandalous, disastrous policy that Senator Hillary Clinton voted for?

Why is Guantanamo still open?

Yeah, President Clinton’s Administration sure is working out well for her. The American people really rewarded her for that Iraq war vote!

libfreeordie on January 10, 2014 at 9:35 PM

I didn’t see chicago jesus stop the war. In fact he ramp it up with the surge, and didn’t believe in the cause. but he still did it! and how many americans died under the watch of this administration?

SHARPTOOTH on January 10, 2014 at 9:32 PM

Christ, have you not heard of Google?

libfreeordie on January 10, 2014 at 9:36 PM

Outside of healthcare if you can discern any economic policies of Obama’s that are fundamentally different than those passed under Ronald Reagan I’d like to see it.

libfreeordie on January 10, 2014 at 9:33 PM

For crying out loud lib….

Obama has focused on everything that doesn’t create jobs..

5 years shows that..

Reagan’s policies is a matter of history..

Electrongod on January 10, 2014 at 9:36 PM

Again. Can you count? As of now I’ve got 4 benghazi deaths, Brian Terry, 200 or so unnamed Mexicans and this highly dubious story, but lets count even her.

That’s an estimated 206 lives. Can we add anyone else, lets just get this done. Because despite your efforts to offer up examples that you think are particularly monstrous, on the pure number of lives lost its a matter of simply counting.

libfreeordie on January 10, 2014 at 9:29 PM

The 1500 U.S. troops in Afghanistan that Obama has allowed to die because he couldn’t care less about the military mission there, per his former SecDef.

But in terms of “boondoggles that actually cost or risked American lives, Obama has been one of the most scandal free Administration’s since Eisenhower,” Obama’s already beat out Nixon (who didn’t “start” Vietnam any more than Obama “started” Afghanistan), Ford, Carter, Reagan, G. H. W. Bush (unless you consider Desert Storm a “boondoggle”), and Clinton, as a loser of American lives. Its a matter of simple math.

de rigueur on January 10, 2014 at 9:38 PM

u mean that scandalous, disastrous policy that Senator Hillary Clinton voted for? Why is Guantanamo still open? rockmom on January 10, 2014 at 9:33 PM

And every other dem.

wolly4321 on January 10, 2014 at 9:39 PM

We’re heading towards being a banana republic as American wages decline and wealth is controlled by a smaller and smaller class of super elites. But since you support government policies which facilitate the upward distribution of wealth, I’ve always assumed it was y’all who thought we were heading towards a utopia? This isn’t the economic structure you want? Its a direct result of your policies….

libfreeordie on January 10, 2014 at 9:26 PM

Shouldn’t you be putting that in a letter and sending it where it of right belongs?

That would be to Obama.

But then, if you had a brain and a clue, you would already know that and it would be on it’s way to him.

VorDaj on January 10, 2014 at 9:40 PM

Let’s ask Edie Sundby about that: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matt-hadro/2013/11/04/cancer-patient-lose-lifesaving-insurance-policy-under-obamacare-cnn-igno

davidk on January 10, 2014 at 9:26 PM

Again. Can you count? As of now I’ve got 4 benghazi deaths, Brian Terry, 200 or so unnamed Mexicans and this highly dubious story, but lets count even her.

That’s an estimated 206 lives. Can we add anyone else, lets just get this done. Because despite your efforts to offer up examples that you think are particularly monstrous, on the pure number of lives lost its a matter of simply counting.

libfreeordie on January 10, 2014 at 9:29 PM

Again. How many people were killed by lane closures?

davidk on January 10, 2014 at 9:40 PM

Harder and harder to believe that fat boy first knew about any of this a couple days ago.

Happy Nomad on January 10, 2014 at 9:41 PM

de rigueur on January 10, 2014 at 9:32 PM

Outside of healthcare if you can discern any economic policies of Obama’s that are fundamentally different than those passed under Ronald Reagan I’d like to see it.

libfreeordie on January 10, 2014 at 9:33 PM

Oh, you mean change the subject? Sure. But stew in your “Obama-never-hurt-nobody” juices a bit longer first.

de rigueur on January 10, 2014 at 9:41 PM

Harder and harder to believe that fat boy first knew about any of this a couple days ago.

Happy Nomad on January 10, 2014 at 9:41 PM

He read it in the newspaper or media..

Like the rest of us did…

:)

Electrongod on January 10, 2014 at 9:42 PM

libfreeordie on January 10, 2014 at 9:22 PM

How many will lose lives because of cancelled coverage. I don’t respond to you much, but shit, you are the dumbest m’ucker I ‘ve ever read on here.

msupertas on January 10, 2014 at 9:42 PM

Again. How many people were killed by lane closures?

davidk on January 10, 2014 at 9:40 PM

One, apparently. Indirectly.

But I wonder how many have died and will die because of a destabilized world through the actions (or inactions) of someone not even remotely qualified to lead a band of cub scouts let alone a nation.

Lanceman on January 10, 2014 at 9:42 PM

Not that I care. Everyone dies and billions have died, prematurely or not, before me.

Lanceman on January 10, 2014 at 9:43 PM

In terms of boondoggles that actually cost or risked American lives, Obama has been one of the most scandal free Administration’s since Eisenhower. Its a matter of simple math.

libfreeordie on January 10, 2014 at 8:59 PM

Poor thing, the reality is that the next 4 Presidents will be fixing the messes that obama has left both foreign and domestic. And they will be boondoggles that will cost a multitude of American lives.

Guess that’s a perk of being President Present.

And to borrow a phrase….obama’s chickens may have not come home to roost, yet. But they will.

Another phrase for ya.

“I’m pretty good at killing people”
— Barack Obama

Of course, he forgets to mention that many of them were our own troops thru his disregard for the militart and innocent women and children thru drone strikes.

HumpBot Salvation on January 10, 2014 at 9:43 PM

mr. Christie, you make good crookies….

BL@KBIRD on January 10, 2014 at 9:44 PM

The 1500 U.S. troops in Afghanistan that Obama has allowed to die because he couldn’t care less about the military mission there, per his former SecDef.

de rigueur on January 10, 2014 at 9:38 PM

Bush actually believed in the stupid “mission” there, so his quilt is tantamount to involuntary manslaughter. Obama never did believe in it so his guilt is tantamount to premeditated cold blooded first degree murder.

VorDaj on January 10, 2014 at 9:45 PM

Interesting related article: Was/Is Brad Dayspring’s attack on Levin a rogue action like that of the fired Kelly of Christie’s staff, or is he operating on behalf of the NRSC’s war on conservatives?
http://spectator.org/blog/57387/nrscs-war-mark-levin

onlineanalyst on January 10, 2014 at 9:47 PM

“I’m pretty good at killing people”
— Barack Obama

HumpBot Salvation on January 10, 2014 at 9:43 PM

Someone said from the HHS…

“Some people live, and some die….”

Obama can kill pretty good and not get his hands bloody..

What a guy…

Electrongod on January 10, 2014 at 9:47 PM

Evening all

CoffeeLover on January 10, 2014 at 9:49 PM

I didn’t see chicago jesus stop the war. In fact he ramp it up with the surge, and didn’t believe in the cause. but he still did it! and how many americans died under the watch of this administration?

SHARPTOOTH on January 10, 2014 at 9:32 PM

Christ, have you not heard of Google?

libfreeordie on January 10, 2014 at 9:36 PM

obama, have you not heard of Bing?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2011/05/05/reaganomics-vs-obamanomics-facts-and-figures/

davidk on January 10, 2014 at 9:50 PM

libfreeordie on January 10, 2014 at 9:22 PM

I’ve never really understood your name on here. Libfree…like fat free…or common sense free…or brain free. Your obviously not free of being a lib(stupid)….so I’m looking at the rest of your cute little name, and what it all means.

msupertas on January 10, 2014 at 9:50 PM

I know y’all hate Maddow, but…..

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/watch/an-alternate-theory-of-the-bridgegate-scandal-111611971764

libfreeordie on January 10, 2014 at 9:51 PM

I know y’all hate Maddow, but…..

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/watch/an-alternate-theory-of-the-bridgegate-scandal-111611971764

libfreeordie on January 10, 2014 at 9:51 PM

I don’t rate guys, but gotta admit, he’s pretty cute.

msupertas on January 10, 2014 at 9:53 PM

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