“We don’t have time for this”: Cop allegedly kills North Carolina teen who was already tased and restrained

posted at 3:21 pm on January 7, 2014 by Allahpundit

Via Ace and Bearing Arms, I missed this yesterday but it deserves some belated attention. The victim, Keith Vidal, was schizophrenic, weighed 90 pounds, had already been tased, and reportedly was being held down by two officers when the shooting happened. He was armed with a “tiny screwdriver,” according to his family.

His dad claims that one cop said “we don’t have time for this” right before the kid was shot dead on the floor.

According to the report, the first unit on scene was a Boiling Spring Lakes officer who arrived at 12:34 p.m. He was joined shortly after by two additional BSL officers and a Brunswick County Sheriff’s Deputy.

The first unit on scene reported a confrontation in the hallway, but told Brunswick County Dispatchers several times that everything was OK.

Unit 104 from Southport arrived on the scene at 12:48:41, fourteen minutes after the first officer had already been on scene.

Seventy seconds later, Unit 104 radioed out that he had to fire shots at the subject in order to defend himself.

The event report mirrors what family members told the media…

Wilsey said officers had his son down on the ground after the teen was tased a few times and an officer said, “we don’t have time for this.” That’s when Wilsey says the officer shot in between the officers holding the teen down, killing his son.

A detective’s been placed on paid leave while the investigation plays out. Obvious question: Even if the cop was such a monster that he’d murder a mentally ill kid simply because he was a drag on his day, how did he think he’d get away with it with both parents right there watching? Is a suspension and murder investigation less of an inconvenience than wrestling a small teenaged boy into a squad car? If he was counting on a mom and dad to be intimidated into silence over the cold-blooded murder of their son, he was counting on an awful lot. I notice too that the dad doesn’t explicitly say it was the cop who fired the gun who said “we don’t have time for this.” One of the officers there said it. Was killing Vidal what he had in mind or were the comment and shooting unconnected?

The official story, I assume, will be that Vidal was going for a gun in the holster of one of the cops who was restraining him. Exit question: If the parents’ version is true, it can’t be the first time this has happened, right? No one would attempt a murder this cavalierly unless he was very confident, based on prior experience, that he could get away with it.


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Let us see how long it takes for Rev. Al to show up.

cat-scratch on January 7, 2014 at 3:25 PM

The story behind the story will be just as bad…

BlaxPac on January 7, 2014 at 3:25 PM

how did he think he’d get away with it with both parents right there watching?

When you wield the power and authority of the state you think you can do just about anything.

A sort of “rules do not apply to you” mentality.

Gatsu on January 7, 2014 at 3:26 PM

A horrible story…to call for help and have them seemingly execute the child. What a country we are leaving to our children!

MTF on January 7, 2014 at 3:27 PM

Dad seems remarkably disconnected.

BKeyser on January 7, 2014 at 3:27 PM

Sounds vaguely familiar…

A father’s attempt to teach his son a lesson for taking his truck without permission ended in tragedy Monday after a local police officer shot the teenager dead.

I don’t think I’d call the cops for family disputes anymore, especially regarding young adult sons. These aren’t your father’s police departments. They appear to like to shoot dogs, too.

Fallon on January 7, 2014 at 3:29 PM

Or unless he has mental problems of his own. From what I’ve read, the shooting officer was from Southport (just a few miles away) while the other two were local cops. The kid went to school in Southport, and became more agitated when the Southport officer turned up. I have wondered if there is a possible connection in this. Still, it seems more likely that if things remain as reported, the officer has issues of his own. There doesn’t seem to be much dispute that they shot him while he was already being restrained by two others. How the hell do you justify that?

ironmonger69 on January 7, 2014 at 3:30 PM

This will be interesting, a lot of people talking and moving around in a chaotic situation, hard to know who said what, when, and why.

Bishop on January 7, 2014 at 3:30 PM

Wow. I’ve got no words.

rbj on January 7, 2014 at 3:30 PM

Let us see how long it takes for Rev. Al to show up.

cat-scratch on January 7, 2014 at 3:25 PM

I think the kid was white. Rev. Al won’t care.

climbnjump on January 7, 2014 at 3:30 PM

I don’t think I’d call the cops for family disputes anymore, especially regarding young adult sons. These aren’t your father’s police departments. They appear to like to shoot dogs, too.

Fallon on January 7, 2014 at 3:29 PM

Agreed. Based on recent trends I’m not calling the cops unless the offender is someone I dont mind seeing shot.

Kataklysmic on January 7, 2014 at 3:31 PM

I also read that this family lost their teenage daughter in a car accident a few years ago. How awful to bury one child to an early death, let alone two. My heart goes out to them.

EarthToZoey on January 7, 2014 at 3:31 PM

This is tragic, and it’s hard to know what actually happened, but, I wonder why this man’s parents called police in the first place – If the screwdriver was “tiny”, and the man was not a dangerous threat, why call in armed officers?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/01/07/state-investigating-fatal-shooting-mentally-ill-nc-teen-by-officer/?intcmp=latestnews

Pork-Chop on January 7, 2014 at 3:31 PM

Terrible thing to happen.

However,

1. The police are not a service you call when your child is acting up. They should be called if you are in danger, which the parents obviously thought they were.

2. This isn’t the first time the police have been to the home. This person was 18 years of age, and while he is their child, he not seen as a child by the law officers there restraining him while he was armed with a stabbing instrument.

3. The police are not a hospital orderly.

I feel bad for the family, but if this 90 lb 18 year old was too much for mom and dad to handle, then they were obviously afraid for their own safety if they called the police.

portlandon on January 7, 2014 at 3:31 PM

That sure sounds like Manslaughter at the least…murder at the worst. Parents call for help and their kid get killed…how did that Cop ever get a gun and a license?

cajunpatriot on January 7, 2014 at 3:32 PM

Cops in the states are gun crazy. I guess the population is a little gun crazy, so they become gun crazy in response. Everybody in the states it seems loves to shoot at something or someone. Or someone’s dog.

The gangbangers shoot the gangbangers. Wives shoot their husbands. Boyfriends shoot their girlfriends. Robbers shoot the clerks. The clerks shoot the robbers. Kids shoot their siblings, siblings shoot the parents. The public shoots the cops, and the cops shoot the public.

So with all this violence, you can see why it is necessary to arm yourself.

‘Muria, hell yeah!

keep the change on January 7, 2014 at 3:33 PM

I am deeply skeptical of stories like this. We have been taken in by so many manipulations, coverups, distortions, and downright hoaxes by both the media and by opportunists who have catapulted to national attention.

NOT that I am calling this a hoax or anything like that. We just don’t have enough information yet to judge what went on here.

Regardless, I do feel bad for the family. One of the commenters at AoSHQ mentioned that Vidal’s sister was recently killed in a car accident.

RIP Vidal.

RushBaby on January 7, 2014 at 3:35 PM

This almost sounds like a case of the officer using a gun, when he thought he was using his taser.

I wouldn’t want to be a cop in this world.

portlandon on January 7, 2014 at 3:36 PM

Where is this nation of ‘Muria, is it close to Zaire?

Bishop on January 7, 2014 at 3:36 PM

‘Muria, hell yeah!

keep the change on January 7, 2014 at 3:33 PM

lol

Murphy9 on January 7, 2014 at 3:37 PM

Fear not — a police state isnt a big deal, unless you’re a pothead.

Jeddite on January 7, 2014 at 3:38 PM

Did the cop think he was drawing his taser?

Five bucks says we’re never going to get the straight story on this.

TexasDan on January 7, 2014 at 3:40 PM

Let this be a lesson. Always have a family pet available to be shot. The police have stressful jobs and just need to blow off some steam sometimes with some bloodshed.

SirGawain on January 7, 2014 at 3:40 PM

I’m not a drug user……so I have nothing to fear when it comes to “police” state.

terryannonline on January 7, 2014 at 12:43 PM

Jeddite on January 7, 2014 at 3:40 PM

That’s when Wilsey says the officer shot in between the officers holding the teen down, killing his son.

Not a very safe guy to be around. I’d fire him just for shooting between the two other officers.

Dr. Frank Enstine on January 7, 2014 at 3:40 PM

no one outside of police officers and soldiers should have access to ANY guns PERIOD

nonpartisan on December 15, 2013 at 9:56 AM

Aaaahhhhhh, nonpee, you are a never-ending fount of quote goodness.

Bishop on January 7, 2014 at 3:41 PM

We all belong to the government.

Axeman on January 7, 2014 at 3:41 PM

no one outside of police officers and soldiers should have access to ANY guns PERIOD

nonpartisan on December 15, 2013 at 9:56 AM

It’s a good thing you said “PERIOD”. That word is final…unless sometimes, when it isn’t…

Axeman on January 7, 2014 at 3:42 PM

As for the “getting the officer’s gun excuse” the cops I know all have retention holsters, usually double even triple retention. That means a gun cannot be withdrawn without a second, third or fourth separate move by the person removing the gun. The story doesn’t hold water.

FOWG1 on January 7, 2014 at 3:44 PM

There’s training for everything under the sun, how about a little more training for dealing with those who are mentally ill and/or out of their minds? Killing of the mentally ill, caused by them acting like they’re mentally ill, happens more than I’d like.

Paul-Cincy on January 7, 2014 at 3:44 PM

“We don’t have time for this”: Cop allegedly kills North Carolina teen who was already tased and restrained

Allahpundit appears to be skeptical

But will this cautious approach by pundit slow down the typical avalanche of kneejerk imbeciles who will want the cops to be hung from the nearest lampost?…..Probably Guaranteed NOT

(Kneejerk reactions by idiots are based solely upon the article’s incendiary headline)

BigSven on January 7, 2014 at 3:44 PM

Many cops are just thugs and cowards… They are given instructions by their superiors to kill anyone whom they feel presents a danger for them no matter how insignificant the danger is… The cowards are shooting anything that moves under the perception of danger… They are not only shooting innocent people but also shooting pets…

mnjg on January 7, 2014 at 3:44 PM

Compassion to all involved….what a mess.

Deafdog on January 7, 2014 at 3:45 PM

If Obama had a son, he’d be just as mentally challenged as this kid.

Kafir on January 7, 2014 at 3:46 PM

This almost sounds like a case of the officer using a gun, when he thought he was using his taser.

portlandon on January 7, 2014 at 3:36 PM

Did the cop think he was drawing his taser?

Five bucks says we’re never going to get the straight story on this.

TexasDan on January 7, 2014 at 3:40 PM

Well, never say never, but mistaking a Taser in your hand for a pistol is extremely unlikely. They feel way different.

climbnjump on January 7, 2014 at 3:46 PM

The official story, I assume, will be that Vidal was going for a gun in the holster of one of the cops who was restraining him. Exit question: If the parents’ version is true, it can’t be the first time this has happened, right? No one would attempt a murder this cavalierly unless he was very confident, based on prior experience, that he could get away with it.

You ask a lot of dopey, and rather obnoxious questions. This seems like juvenile parsing, in my view. Kids will sit around asking themselves these kinds of dopey a$$ questions. I, as an adult, would like to know more about the situation. And even if it does turn out to be as the father describes I don’t need to go through the juvenile contortions you too often demonstrate to understand that bad things happen, whether intentional or not. It seems to me this method of yours is a symptom of abandoning God. Or perhaps the reason you abandoned God. People do stupid things for all kinds of stupid reasons, and 99% of the time there are not intricate latices supporting what happened.

The biggest takeaway, if the officer murdered in cold blood, is that he should have never been a police officer. And that the system failed to weed him out because it is broken. And part of it being broken is a growing reliance on authorities to take care of our business. WTH do people think the results will be when we turn to the authorities for every little thing?

NotCoach on January 7, 2014 at 3:47 PM

‘Muria, hell yeah!

keep the change on January 7, 2014 at 3:33 PM

You’re a moron. If you’re going to use a meme then at least make the effort to get it right. It’s Merica, hell yeah!

DFCtomm on January 7, 2014 at 3:48 PM

I feel bad for the family, but if this 90 lb 18 year old was too much for mom and dad to handle, then they were obviously afraid for their own safety if they called the police.

portlandon on January 7, 2014 at 3:31 PM

Do not defend the cowardly thugs… These a**hole shoot anyone that moves including pets with the slightest perception in their cowardly thuggish tiny brains that they are in danger… F*** them and F*** all those who support these thugs…

mnjg on January 7, 2014 at 3:48 PM

The victim, Keith Vidal, was schizophrenic, weighed 90 pounds, had already been tased, and reportedly was being held down by two officers when the shooting happened.

.
I will reserve comment on the shooting pending an investigation but do take exception to the “taser mentality” among police departments.

A taser is NOT a non-lethal weapon or a guarantee of incapacitation when used. Police departments, however, are using them as if they lived up to those two standards.

It is time to take the tasers out of the equation and return to the use of less lethal weapons which provide both defensive and offensive capabilities.

Officers appropriately trained in the use of batons would have been able to disarm the individual and, using appropriate strike points, disable his ability to resist.

Another unfortunate aspect of this tragedy is the militarization of the police massively enabled by the Obama administration. Dealing with this sort of situation without the use of excessive force USED to be a common occurrence for police departments.

As the police have been given ever more military training and weapons, we have seen a sharp increase in the use of disproportionate violence by police officers.

PolAgnostic on January 7, 2014 at 3:49 PM

If Obama had a son, he’d be just as mentally challenged as this kid.

Kafir on January 7, 2014 at 3:46 PM

Now that is just f***ing stupid… You think that you are funny clown?

mnjg on January 7, 2014 at 3:50 PM

My first thought was also that the dad looked disconnected. Doesn’t seem sad at all. Regardless if he is or not, this is completely unjustifiable. Trigger happy cops are all the rage these days. All this army surplus military equipment they’re getting their hands on should complement that well.

Maybe there were extenuating circumstances…but I can’t fathom any that would justify killing an arguably subdued 100 lb kid armed with a screwdriver.

I’m about an hour away, Southport is a beautiful place, a shame.

levi on January 7, 2014 at 3:50 PM

You’re a moron. If you’re going to use a meme then at least make the effort to get it right. It’s Merica, hell yeah!

DFCtomm on January 7, 2014 at 3:48 PM

‘Murica is totally acceptable.

levi on January 7, 2014 at 3:51 PM

When you wield the power and authority of the state you think you can do just about anything.

A sort of “rules do not apply to you” mentality.

Gatsu on January 7, 2014 at 3:26 PM

You are correct. Look at the thugs that supported Zero during the shutdown.

dogsoldier on January 7, 2014 at 3:52 PM

If Obama had a son, he’d be just as mentally challenged as this kid.

Kafir on January 7, 2014 at 3:46 PM

Now that is just f***ing stupid… You think that you are funny clown?

mnjg on January 7, 2014 at 3:50 PM

Sometimes the jokes work, and sometimes they don’t. If only there was a “delete post” feature.

Paul-Cincy on January 7, 2014 at 3:54 PM

Sorry, but i can’t read this kind of stuff anymore….

..too many adjectives to describe it…sad, tragic, SENSELESS.

ToddPA on January 7, 2014 at 3:56 PM

Clearly the cop confused firing his taser for discharging his sidearm. Happens all the time.

HopeHeFails on January 7, 2014 at 4:01 PM

There has got to be a lot of back story not being told here.

How many times had the cops been called to this residence for similar incidents? Was it such that the officer felt the parents were abusing the service and not taking responsibility for their son?

The dad in the video sure looks like he could have handled a 90-lb person. Were the parents calling the cops because they didn’t want to be personally liable if anything happened?

For that officer to utter that line suggests there’s a great deal more to this story. I’m not going to get outraged until I know the history of the incident.

Definitely, though, the police had no business shooting the individual and the officer(s) should be disciplined and canned.

Ace ODale on January 7, 2014 at 4:02 PM

If I was holding a squirmy 90 lb. kid on the ground with a partner, and a third party squeezed off a round between us, said third party would be well advised to stay as far away as possible, and never, ever turn his back to me.

S. D. on January 7, 2014 at 4:02 PM

Murica is totally acceptable.

levi on January 7, 2014 at 3:51 PM

I actually meant to type it that way, but screwed it up, so I guess I’m a moron too.

DFCtomm on January 7, 2014 at 4:03 PM

The public has got to realize that the police are not mental health crisis specialists and, as a society, we have got to come up with a better way to handle the mentally ill other than “Leave them alone, running around free and unrestrained in their craziness (or, if you prefer, abandoned to their afflictions), until it begins to bother someone and then call the cops to deal with them.”

Dukeboy01 on January 7, 2014 at 4:03 PM

Let’s just wait a little bit and get some more information about this story. Something tells me that there is a whole lot more to this story than a policeman just pulling out his gun and shooting someone. Never believe you are getting the whole story with the first story on the news.

Bitter Republican in PA on January 7, 2014 at 4:03 PM

Reminder: gun violence is at a 20 year low. However Koolaid drinkers are convinced it’s high.

Kataklysmic on January 7, 2014 at 3:51 PM

I’d actually be more interested in how often cops shot things, like people and pets. It seems like it’s trending upward, but perhaps it’s just getting more media attention.

DFCtomm on January 7, 2014 at 4:06 PM

A similar type situation happened here in AZ and the cop was convicted of aggravated assualt last September but the jury couldn’t decide on 2nd Degree murder as there was no direct witness to what happened.

But again, it was the mom calling the cops on a domestic disturbance when her son threw something against the wall and was yelling. A little bit later her dog and son were both shot dead by the cop.
AZ Cop Convicted

nextgen_repub on January 7, 2014 at 4:06 PM

Clearly the cop confused firing his taser for discharging his sidearm. Happens all the time.

HopeHeFails on January 7, 2014 at 4:01 PM

I’ve heard that one before concerning other incidents. We shall see. Admitting that though presents an immediate indication of guilt. He is guilty of involuntary manslaughter at the least, because admitting he grabbed the weapon mistakenly means he never felt in danger for his own or other’s lives.

NotCoach on January 7, 2014 at 4:07 PM

A little surprised that schizophrenia had already manifested itself; usually that’s around 19-20, IIRC.

Still, did the police know about his condition? And how did a 90-pound kid develop the strength to threaten not only the two people holding him down, but the guy that shot him?

This story seems fishy. And if the dad seems a little detached, it might be because a part of him is, sadly, relieved, if the kid was a handful. Or he could have been prescribed a valium or some other numbing agent.

Maddie on January 7, 2014 at 4:07 PM

I don’t think I’d call the cops for family disputes anymore, especially regarding young adult sons. These aren’t your father’s police departments. They appear to like to shoot dogs, too.

Fallon on January 7, 2014 at 3:29 PM

…to him…there may not have been a difference!

KOOLAID2 on January 7, 2014 at 4:07 PM

With local out of control police depts becoming militarized, I suppose the victims should consider themselves lucky that the cops didn’t decide the quickest way to handle this would have been a drone strike to take out the entire family.

whatcat on January 7, 2014 at 4:07 PM

Don’t ever call the cops…. that Protect and Serve stuff is total BS.

roux on January 7, 2014 at 4:08 PM

They didn’t shoot Gumby, did they, because if so we need to storm the cop’s house and make him pay.

Bishop on January 7, 2014 at 4:10 PM

This is what happens when you call the police.

MoreLiberty on January 7, 2014 at 4:10 PM

I feel bad for the family, but if this 90 lb 18 year old was too much for mom and dad to handle, then they were obviously afraid for their own safety if they called the police.

portlandon on January 7, 2014 at 3:31 PM

I have a feeling there is more to this part of the story. Sort of like the alleged reports that Adam Lanza’s mom tried to get him committed before the Newton CT shooting and the courts said no. Both were 18+ and considered adults.

Johnnyreb on January 7, 2014 at 4:13 PM

There’s more to the story. Is it too much for everyone to freakin’ chill out for a day before condemning everyone and everything?

tlynch001 on January 7, 2014 at 4:15 PM

The cop who fired the shot was in the house for 15 seconds, and decided the best course of action was to fire his weapon.

15 seconds. Just imagine that for a moment….hopefully longer than the cop who killed that boy did…..15 seconds to decide to shoot someone. Who is being held down by two other cops. Weighs 90 pounds.

What I haven’t heard anyone say is whether or not the police….any of them…..instructed the young man to “drop the screwdriver”.

Can any of the internet lawyers or corrupt cop defenders here explain why this kid is dead? Is it illegal to hold a screwdriver? In fact, can someone explain when/how the mere possession of a screwdriver is an automatic death sentence, to be carried out as quickly as possible by the nearest cop with a gun?

If you need help, don’t call the cops. Call your neighbors, friends, co-workers. Anyone but law enforcement.

You, or one of your loved ones, might end up dead. And it’ll be your fault once the police reports are written, reviewed, and edited.

BobMbx on January 7, 2014 at 4:18 PM

There might be more lives saved if SWAT teams were replaced by special “mental health trained” police teams when the police were called on a mentally ill person.

/MILK team — Mentally Ill Loving Kindness team “Got MILK?”

I sincerely wonder how much good SWAT teams have done.

Paul-Cincy on January 7, 2014 at 4:18 PM

He was armed with a “tiny screwdriver,” according to his family.

no one outside of police officers and soldiers should have access to ANY guns PERIOD

nonpartisan on December 15, 2013 at 9:56 AM

Maybe no one outside of police officers and soldiers should have access to ANY tiny screwdrivers PERIOD

NOMOBO on January 7, 2014 at 4:21 PM

With local out of control police depts becoming militarized, I suppose the victims should consider themselves lucky that the cops didn’t decide the quickest way to handle this would have been a drone strike to take out the entire family.

whatcat on January 7, 2014 at 4:07 PM

This.

We need to get a handle on this, now, before all is lost. Between the NSA,TSA,DHS,CIA,FBI,and every other police force watching us, and state police, city police, town police, university police, college police, etc. Just waiting to pounce and kill our pets or family members, what’s the real difference between being in prison and out any more???

KMC1 on January 7, 2014 at 4:23 PM

If Obama had a son, he’d be just as mentally challenged as this kid.

Kafir on January 7, 2014 at 3:46 PM

Now that is just f***ing stupid… You think that you are funny clown?

mnjg on January 7, 2014 at 3:50 PM

Actually on this website, dems kids are always in play. I am shocked you called out the obvious.

loveofcountry on January 7, 2014 at 4:24 PM

Let’s just wait a little bit and get some more information about this story. Something tells me that there is a whole lot more to this story than a policeman just pulling out his gun and shooting someone. Never believe you are getting the whole story with the first story on the news.

Bitter Republican in PA on January 7, 2014 at 4:03 PM

yeah let’s just not assume anything right now. this story really doesn’t make any sense! i’m sure there is more info.

Sachiko on January 7, 2014 at 4:24 PM

Clearly the cop confused firing his taser for discharging his sidearm. Happens all the time.

HopeHeFails on January 7, 2014 at 4:01 PM

If thats the case, then I’m gonna start carrying both a firearm and a taser. Whenever I see something I don’t like, I’ll whip out my pistol, take care of business, then use the cop defense “I thought I pulled my taser….I’m real sorry ’bout that. Uh..is this gonna affect my pension?”

BobMbx on January 7, 2014 at 4:24 PM

If the parents’ version is true, it can’t be the first time this has happened, right? No one would attempt a murder this cavalierly unless he was very confident, based on prior experience, that he could get away with it.

That’s quite a leap. I guess there’s a first time for everything, right?

rogaineguy on January 7, 2014 at 4:24 PM

chill out for a day
tlynch001 on January 7, 2014 at 4:15 PM

This story is from last month.

whatcat on January 7, 2014 at 4:25 PM

I sincerely wonder how much good SWAT teams have done.

Paul-Cincy on January 7, 2014 at 4:18 PM

No matter what they’re called, SWAT, SCORE, HRT, etc., they are all trained for one purpose. To assassinate whoever they’re told to.

BobMbx on January 7, 2014 at 4:27 PM

This story is from last month.

whatcat on January 7, 2014 at 4:25 PM

No, its from 2 days ago.

BobMbx on January 7, 2014 at 4:27 PM

Bishop on January 7, 2014 at 3:30 PM

Spot on.

GWB on January 7, 2014 at 4:28 PM

Actually on this website, dems kids are always in play.

loveofcountry on January 7, 2014 at 4:24 PM

Do tell! Some linked examples would be helpful…

Del Dolemonte on January 7, 2014 at 4:28 PM

The cop that fired the shot needs to be removed from the force, face charges and let the facts decide the story in a trial. No point in paying him as he waits either. Let him sue for back pay if he’s found innocent.

DanMan on January 7, 2014 at 4:29 PM

My big brother was a sheriff’s deputy.

He went out on a call just like this one, called by the mom because the 20-something schizophrenic was acting scary and she couldn’t control him.

The schizophrenic, believed he was fighting for his life because in his crazed mind uniformed officers were actually angels of death.

He went for my brother’s gun which, because of regulations in place at the time, was not snapped into the holster.

The young man got the gun, got a shot off into my brother’s femoral artery. My brother bled to death because they could not get help to him in a remote location. And because he followed the rules.

Other officers present took down the crazy.

A schizophrenic believing he is in danger is like a person on PCP…able to exhibit super-human strength, and having no judgement.

I can’t take sides on this story because I wasn’t there, but if it was anything like what happened to my brother, the officers could very well have faced a threat to their lives.

I feel for the family, but also know that no officer should have to give up a life trying to defend society.

bigbeachbird on January 7, 2014 at 4:30 PM

Actually on this website, dems kids are always in play. I am shocked you called out the obvious.

loveofcountry on January 7, 2014 at 4:24 PM

So, we are always making fun of Obama’s son? You are aware, are you not, that he doesn’t actually HAVE a son?

Maddie on January 7, 2014 at 4:30 PM

The mother and 9 year old in the second story must have been the victims of a police traffic stop. She was going 5 mph over the limit and the police “didn’t have time for this…”

Kuffar on January 7, 2014 at 4:30 PM

If Obama had a son, he’d be just as mentally challenged as this kid.

Kafir on January 7, 2014 at 3:46 PM

Actually on this website, dems kids are always in play.

loveofcountry on January 7, 2014 at 4:24 PM

O’bama is the one who first used the “If I had a son” sentence.

F-

Del Dolemonte on January 7, 2014 at 4:30 PM

This story is from last month.

whatcat on January 7, 2014 at 4:25 PM

I meant “last week”. oops.

whatcat on January 7, 2014 at 4:31 PM

I fear the cop haters will what the officer to get charged with 1st degree murder. The best conviction would be on 2nd degree or involuntary manslaughter. When they cop is charged and goes to trial it will not be reported anywhere. Even if he is found guilty and get 10-15 years in jail. Bias by omission means that he got off with desk duty for a few weeks and then back on the street.

tjexcite on January 7, 2014 at 4:31 PM

no one outside of police officers and soldiers should have access to ANY guns PERIOD

nonpartisan on December 15, 2013 at 9:56 AM

Doesn’t sound like the police should have any access to guns either…

Kuffar on January 7, 2014 at 4:31 PM

No, its from 2 days ago.
BobMbx on January 7, 2014 at 4:27 PM

Yeah, I corrected myself. It was last week, I read it a few days back.

whatcat on January 7, 2014 at 4:33 PM

I am deeply skeptical of stories like this.

RushBaby on January 7, 2014 at 3:35 PM

Yup, me too. The initial reporting on things like this often leaves a lot to be desired. I don’t automatically trust cops by any means, and it does seem that more are getting a little gun-happy lately, but I’m also a bit skeptical of kids that parents feel they have to call the cops out to deal with. Hope the court system can actually sort this out.

SacredFire on January 7, 2014 at 4:33 PM

I’m no cop apologist; I’ve had my fair share of dealings with law-enforcement and some have been good, some not so good. I am, however, withholding judgement until some more facts can shake free. As ugly as it appears on the surface, and it does, if the kid ended up with a death-grip on someone’s weapon we could be talking about a whole different situation here. And as for the boy weighing ‘ninety pounds,’ don’t forget the old adage about the size of the fight in the dog. During my brief foray into MMA (trust me, it is a young man’s game from a healing-up perspective if nothing else,)I was tuned-up plenty by cats 2/3rds my weight. Add in a dose of Schizophrenia, and you could end up with a real handful.

CaptFlood on January 7, 2014 at 4:35 PM

So with all this violence, you can see why it is necessary to arm yourself.

‘Muria, hell yeah!

keep the change on January 7, 2014 at 3:33 PM

For the record, I don’t shoot people.

Half of “Muria” doesn’t even have a gun. And among the guns in circulation, the percentage of fatal use is near zero, to three decimal places. And that’s assuming that only one murder is ever committed by any one gun, which is unlikely since bangers and thugs tend to be civic-minded and recycle their instruments of death.

The Schaef on January 7, 2014 at 4:39 PM

I fear the cop haters will what the officer to get charged with 1st degree murder.
tjexcite on January 7, 2014 at 4:31 PM

If he killed the kid in cold blood, it is first degree murder. Has nothing to do with loving or hating cops, they live under the same laws the rest of us do. And, since they are police officers, it would make the crime even more heinous due their position in society and the collateral damage it does to the good apples on the force who do the best they can in a tough job.

whatcat on January 7, 2014 at 4:39 PM

Doesn’t sound like the police should have any access to guns either…

Kuffar on January 7, 2014 at 4:31 PM

Or, if you believe Michael Moore, the soldiers.

The Schaef on January 7, 2014 at 4:40 PM

Terrible thing to happen.

However,

1. The police are not a service you call when your child is acting up. They should be called if you are in danger, which the parents obviously thought they were.

They probably dialed 911. Which we are trained to do. Short test: Whats the phone number for the “Schizophrenic Adult Child Having An Episode Center” in your town…quickly now….hurry up…..your childs life depends on it….don’t make us send the police…..we’ll shoot him for ya

2. This isn’t the first time the police have been to the home. This person was 18 years of age, and while he is their child, he not seen as a child by the law officers there restraining him while he was armed with a stabbing instrument.

I see. They must have exceeded their “call for help” lifetime quota, and the cop(s) decided to cut costs on the spot.

3. The police are not a hospital orderly.

Protect and serve. What exactly does that consist of? Please be detailed as to what the police are and are not to be called for. Lives depend on your quick answer.

I feel bad for the family, but if this 90 lb 18 year old was too much for mom and dad to handle, then they were obviously afraid for their own safety if they called the police.

portlandon on January 7, 2014 at 3:31 PM

Ahh….the crux of the case. “Hello…911? yes…uh…our son is having a psychotic episode and we can’t handle it by ourselves and we’re afraid. Can you send someone over to shoot him for us? oh..Thanks!”

BobMbx on January 7, 2014 at 4:40 PM

What I haven’t heard anyone say is whether or not the police….any of them…..instructed the young man to “drop the screwdriver”.

BobMbx on January 7, 2014 at 4:18 PM

I’m trying to figure out whether they had taken it away from him or not. They really should have been able to disarm him.

Having said that, they tased him TWICE (supposedly). This is a good indicator that he was not responding in a “normal” fashion. So, more evidence that we should wait for more information to come out.

GWB on January 7, 2014 at 4:40 PM

People deal with folks who are mentally unstable every day. Some of them are even violent. Yet only cops seems to shoot them.

Funny that…

And also, this is lesson #4,587 in “Why you never, ever call the police for domestic/medical situations.” There is far too great a chance the cops will bring a paramilitary/combat mindset with them.

CTD on January 7, 2014 at 4:50 PM

If he killed the kid in cold blood, it is first degree murder..

whatcat on January 7, 2014 at 4:39 PM

Not true. If he killed with premeditation, then it is first degree murder. If he killed in cold blood, then it is 2d degree at worst.

GWB on January 7, 2014 at 4:51 PM

no officer should have to give up a life trying to defend society.

bigbeachbird on January 7, 2014 at 4:30 PM

Police work is not particularly deadly. The cop unions love to make it out like everyday is a scene from Predator 2.

CTD on January 7, 2014 at 4:51 PM

If you as a police officer (at the time there were three officers on scene) cannot physically handle a 90lb boy who has already been tasered twice without shooting him, then you are in the wrong line of work.

Renee on January 7, 2014 at 4:52 PM

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