Peter King: Why should members of Congress be exempt from NSA surveillance?

posted at 11:21 am on January 6, 2014 by Allahpundit

A morsel from the same interview in which he wondered whether Rand Paul would care if hundreds of Americans were killed in a new terror attack. I’m calling it now: Actual blood on the stage at the 2016 primary debates.

In a sense, this is Egalitarianism 101. When a reporter asks you, as a congressman, whether congressmen should have special privileges that the hoi polloi don’t have, the answer’s almost always “hell no.” Imagine the headlines if King had said instead, “Well, of course *I* should be exempt.” There’s an egalitarian alternative, though: No indiscriminate data-harvesting among either the public or its elected leaders. The takeaway here is that he’d rather keep mass surveillance going even if the price is licensing one branch of government to vacuum up dirt in the form of metadata on another. If you trust the White House and NSA now and forever not to exploit that dirt in Hoover-esque ways for political advantage, okay, but if we’re suddenly all about trusting government officials, why not simply trust that members of Congress aren’t dialing up terrorists? (I know, I know: “Homeland.”) Frankly, if there’s any member who was likely to be caught talking to a terrorist in the past, it’s King himself, no? Maybe that’s the answer — he supports the NSA because he, more than anyone, knows that this isn’t a ridiculous hypothetical.

One more (unrelated) NSA-related point via Robert Samuelson:

There is more than a little hypocrisy to the outcry that the government, through the National Security Agency (NSA), is systematically destroying Americans’ right to privacy. Edward Snowden’s revelations have been stripped of their social, technological and historical context. Unless you’ve camped in the Alaskan wilderness for two decades, you know — or should — that millions upon millions of Americans have consciously and, probably in most cases, eagerly surrendered much of their privacy by embracing the Internet and social media.

People do not open Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn and Instagram accounts because they wish to shroud their lives in secrecy. They do not use online dating services or post videos on YouTube because they cherish their anonymity. The Internet is a vehicle for self-promotion, personal advertising and the pursuit of celebrity…

If Americans think their privacy is dangerously diminished, there are remedies. They can turn off their PCs, toss their smartphones and smash their tablets.

Some people on Twitter are sneering that it’s dumb to conflate handing over your private info to Google with handing it over to the government. The government’s reach is longer and more sinister; Google can’t use what you give them to send you to prison (yet). But the whole point of Snowden’s revelations is that handing your data to Google or Facebook, etc, effectively means handing it to the NSA. Sometimes the NSA gets it with the company’s help and sometimes without, but it all ends up in Uncle Sam’s database. Knowing that, if people are deeply concerned about NSA spying, why haven’t we seen any mass movement to unplug, if not entirely then at least from the major telecom companies?


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King is a few cards short of a full deck. Email and cell phone calls are NOT for self-promotion you flippin’ control-freak idiots.

John the Libertarian on January 6, 2014 at 11:26 AM

They should not be exempt from anything but this begs the question, the NSA shouldn’t be spying on Americans period – not without “…probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

MoreLiberty on January 6, 2014 at 11:26 AM

Because only the serfs need to be watched.

Gatsu on January 6, 2014 at 11:27 AM

It would be useless on Ellison, he sends all his info coded in the Jefferson koran.

BL@KBIRD on January 6, 2014 at 11:29 AM

King has gone off his rails, lost his marbles. Maybe it’s something in the water? Or maybe he’s trying to run for prez.

Used to like him. No longer.

petefrt on January 6, 2014 at 11:30 AM

They should not be exempt from anything but this begs the question, the NSA shouldn’t be spying on Americans period – not without “…probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

MoreLiberty on January 6, 2014 at 11:26 AM

+100

petefrt on January 6, 2014 at 11:30 AM

HaHa. King thinks the NSA hasn’t been spying on congress up already.

Why, did Clapper tell him they weren’t?

Useful idiot.

fogw on January 6, 2014 at 11:30 AM

Oh God! Peter King has become the liberals’ mouthpiece for the GOP position on national security. If a Republican were in the White House the LSM would have plenty of problems with the spying. But with a worthless stupid coward shucking and jiving about national security, well then we should trust the government.

Happy Nomad on January 6, 2014 at 11:32 AM

People do not open Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn and Instagram accounts because they wish to shroud their lives in secrecy.

Yeah ok, BOB.

One little rub you failed to point out: Choice and the freedom to share what we choose.

He might as well have said lets trash the 5th Amendment because….well…you posted your kid’s soccer photos on Facebook or something.

Would this data-vacuuming have been any more appropriate and legal in the 1950′s when such social technology didn’t exist.

Bishop on January 6, 2014 at 11:33 AM

Better question, why shouldn’t be focusing the NSA on the White House?

nobar on January 6, 2014 at 11:33 AM

First, King’s problem with Paul is certifiable. Second, why unplug? I am sure the bad guys have moved on to something else by now and our government is just wasting time, money and storage on information that is useless in the war on our safety.

Cindy Munford on January 6, 2014 at 11:34 AM

Some people on Twitter are sneering that it’s dumb to conflate handing over your private info to Google with handing it over to the government. The government’s reach is longer and more sinister; Google can’t use what you give them to send you to prison (yet). But the whole point of Snowden’s revelations is that handing your data to Google or Facebook, etc, effectively means handing it to the NSA.

Allahpundit on January 6, 2014 at 11:21 AM

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Dead-nuts right-on, but you’re a “paranoid conspiracy theorist” if you say this in public.
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Sometimes the NSA gets it (your personal data) with the company’s help and sometimes without, but it all ends up in Uncle Sam’s database. Knowing that, if people are deeply concerned about NSA spying, why haven’t we seen any mass movement to unplug, if not entirely then at least from the major telecom companies?

Allahpundit on January 6, 2014 at 11:21 AM

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Laziness, and an obsessive, compulsive addiction to “social media.”

listens2glenn on January 6, 2014 at 11:35 AM

*we be focusing

nobar on January 6, 2014 at 11:35 AM

+100

petefrt on January 6, 2014 at 11:30 AM

That whole pesky 4th Amendment. Glad you agree, but it appears many think you’re some “i hate America” guy if you want to limit the feds.

MoreLiberty on January 6, 2014 at 11:38 AM

PK is a national disgrace.

Here’s the question, for all who still pretend to be free US Americans – why should the Congress still fund the NSA and the HLS fiascos?

Schadenfreude on January 6, 2014 at 11:40 AM

+1 petefrt @11:30

cmsinaz on January 6, 2014 at 11:44 AM

Peter King: Why should members of Congress be exempt from NSA surveillance insider trading laws?

Oh wait, he didn’t say that.

Flange on January 6, 2014 at 11:44 AM

This is just plain nutty.

MTF on January 6, 2014 at 11:44 AM

Nothing worse than a police statist who likes the sound of his own voice more than anything else in the world. He really, really hates it when American citizens stand up to him, doesn’t he? And that means he’s gotta go.

Rational Thought on January 6, 2014 at 11:49 AM

And what would happen when the NSA discovers someone, say, the Clintons, giving advanced ballistic missile tech to the Chinese in exchange for campaign cash?

Neo on January 6, 2014 at 11:51 AM

King wants to run for president in 2016, when he s/b running to an asylum, with McCain.

Thank you Mr. Snowden, every single day, a hundred times, at least.

All still free US Americans and people of the world, you should really, really, really hate the obama/Clapper machine, which is myriad-fold more devastating than the already idiotic GWB one.

You should also hate all the Google and related goons, who brung/financed obama, enriched themselves and enslaved you, knowingly, while claiming to be with the ACLU and Snowden.

You should hate the media, vehemently. They allowed all this to happen, until their own were trapped…when it was too late.

NOT one terrorist was stopped by all this wasted dough and the BIG loss of so many freedoms. Not one!

You may consider Snowden anything you want, and he may be all those things.

YOU are total sheep, from all sides of the political spectrum, if you believe one word out of the thugs in DC.

If you do, you no longer deserve to live free – may they then engulf you, totally.

Free people always deserve the gov’t they choose.

Schadenfreude on January 6, 2014 at 11:52 AM

Forgot, I perused last night’s QotD and some on the right are bigger sheep than the worst of all the HA trolls could ever be.

Schadenfreude on January 6, 2014 at 11:53 AM

Rep. Peter King of New York Supported a Soviet Backed Terrorist Group

Rep. Peter King lashed out at Senator Rand Paul today over Sen. Paul’s position on the National Security Agency.

In a bit of hysteria, he questioned Senator Paul’s patriotism and loyalty to the United States. This is pretty rich considering Rep. Peter King, during the Cold War, supported a Soviet backed terrorist group responsible for killing many.

King, ardently supported the Irish Republican Army. The intelligence agencies Peter King is now falling all over himself to support, knew the IRA was a terrorist group. The organization tried to assassinate Margaret Thatcher. They killed a number of people close to her. They killed members of the British Royal Family. And they killed many Irishmen. But Peter King stood by ignoring the blood on his own hands.

The IRA also had Stalin’s blessing and during the Cold War collaborated with the Soviets against American and British interests.

And Peter King stood by them.

Akzed on January 6, 2014 at 11:54 AM

Knowing that, if people are deeply concerned about NSA spying, why haven’t we seen any mass movement to unplug, if not entirely then at least from the major telecom companies?

Because they have us by the balls like the banks did with ATMs. The ATMs were free when they launched and then once everyone relied on them, the banks stuck it to us with transaction fees. Did everyone go stand in line to get their cash after that? Nope. We bent over and took it. Same gig here.

rcpjr on January 6, 2014 at 11:54 AM

obama gave the ME to Putin, his wild terrorist bros, and to chance.

Hillary, Rice and that Irish cow furthered the Arab Spring.

For the next 30 years the Sunni/Shia will fight…Kerry will speechify and obama will propagate ‘equality’, while he and Michelle are on the way to be billionaires, based on nothing.

Wake up already.

The Rs are the stupidest people in the world. NO leaders, none.

Schadenfreude on January 6, 2014 at 11:55 AM

Peter King, a true authoritarian.

rickv404 on January 6, 2014 at 11:56 AM

mass data collection on American citizens who have done nothing wrong amounts to those general warrants our founders sought to protect us against. There is zero reason the gov should be have sting all of our data. These people are on a massive power tip and if not stopped, we will suffer dire consequences.

jawkneemusic on January 6, 2014 at 11:56 AM

Frankly, if there’s any member who was likely to be caught talking to a terrorist in the past, it’s King himself, no?

I miss the good old days when New York politicians merely hired prostitutes, evaded taxes, or sent pictures of their private parts to unsuspecting high school girls.

Happy Nomad on January 6, 2014 at 11:58 AM

This King Creep makes McCain look totally sane. He missed his calling by not being born in Germany around 1900 where maybe he could have headed up the Gestapo.

VorDaj on January 6, 2014 at 11:58 AM

Peter King, a true authoritarian.

rickv404 on January 6, 2014 at 11:56 AM

A true something anyway. Rhymes with bass.

Happy Nomad on January 6, 2014 at 11:59 AM

But the whole point of Snowden’s revelations is that handing your data to Google or Facebook, etc, effectively means handing it to the NSA. Sometimes the NSA gets it with the company’s help and sometimes without, but it all ends up in Uncle Sam’s database.

That may be the point of Snowden’s revelations, but the point of my outrage is that THEY SHOULDN’T. Uncle Sam has no business having such a database.

“Limited Government” should mean that government should have limits. I thought that was the point of conservatism. And if collecting all information (public or private) about every citizen in the country doesn’t go beyond the limits of legitimate government action, then what does?

notropis on January 6, 2014 at 12:01 PM

Flange on January 6, 2014 at 11:44 AM

Heh.

notropis on January 6, 2014 at 12:02 PM

+1. Treat them the same as the Supreme Court Justices.

rogerb on January 6, 2014 at 12:03 PM

If ever a Congressman deserved to have a Senator come over and beat him with a cane…

JohnGalt23 on January 6, 2014 at 12:03 PM

The face of halitosis.

CurtZHP on January 6, 2014 at 12:04 PM

The Congress should Never be exempt from any laws they push upon the people. Period!!!

The NSA is performing myriad of illegal collections, searches and etc. Stick to the topic, you fool in DC.

That true libertarians/liberals have not yet united with true conservatives/liberals in the true sense, to politically pitchfork these thugs in DC, from both sides, is the miracle of all.

The US people are truly NO longer the free people and that beacon tot he world. Maybe it was all an illusion.

Schadenfreude on January 6, 2014 at 12:05 PM

King wants to run for president in 2016, when he s/b running to an asylum, with McCain.

Thank you Mr. Snowden, every single day, a hundred times, at least.

All still free US Americans and people of the world, you should really, really, really hate the obama/Clapper machine, which is myriad-fold more devastating than the already idiotic GWB one.

You should also hate all the Google and related goons, who brung/financed obama, enriched themselves and enslaved you, knowingly, while claiming to be with the ACLU and Snowden.

You should hate the media, vehemently. They allowed all this to happen, until their own were trapped…when it was too late.

NOT one terrorist was stopped by all this wasted dough and the BIG loss of so many freedoms. Not one!

You may consider Snowden anything you want, and he may be all those things.

YOU are total sheep, from all sides of the political spectrum, if you believe one word out of the thugs in DC.

If you do, you no longer deserve to live free – may they then engulf you, totally.

Free people always deserve the gov’t they choose.

Schadenfreude on January 6, 2014 at 11:52 AM

Three times three!

VorDaj on January 6, 2014 at 12:08 PM

Peter King is a disgrace. He’s consorted with IRA terrorists on a regular basis, so maybe he should be the first Congressman wired taped. What a douche.

Western_Civ on January 6, 2014 at 12:13 PM

Since it appears Peter King is running for president, King is going to give an interview once a week going after Paul, Cruz, or someone similar until the debate season in 2015 starts up. He’s trying to build up his name recognition and provoke a response. Both Cruz and Paul have done good in ignoring King for the most post.

midgeorgian on January 6, 2014 at 12:15 PM

So King is going to run for president on that ever popular and always successful Northeast states plan?

Cindy Munford on January 6, 2014 at 12:15 PM

midgeorgian on January 6, 2014 at 12:15 PM

And how funny is his campaign going to be if neither Cruz or Paul run? I can’t wait to see him go after Scott Walker the same way.

Cindy Munford on January 6, 2014 at 12:17 PM

Peter King: Why should members of Congress be exempt from NSA surveillance?

Excellent question.

Of course, it’s a separate question from “Should the NSA be snooping on citizens in the first place.”

But there is no doubt that members of Congress should not be excluded. If anything, it would be much more fair to monitor members of Congress and ignore the other citizens. The act of running for public office more or less consents to less privacy.

There Goes the Neighborhood on January 6, 2014 at 12:21 PM

Maybe it was all an illusion.

Schadenfreude on January 6, 2014 at 12:05 PM

For what, he never knew, now man’s reign is through
But through eternal night, the twinkling of starlight
So very far away, maybe it’s only yesterday

VorDaj on January 6, 2014 at 12:22 PM

The face of halitosis.

good stuff Curt, that there is funny

DanMan on January 6, 2014 at 12:23 PM

A true something anyway. Rhymes with bass.

Happy Nomad on January 6, 2014 at 11:59 AM

Ace? Disgrace?

Uhhh, or do you mean the other kind of bass?
;)

dentarthurdent on January 6, 2014 at 12:35 PM

… if people are deeply concerned about NSA spying, why haven’t we seen any mass movement to unplug, if not entirely then at least from the major telecom companies?

This is a useless straw dog arguement without any actual meaning.

By this absurd logic, people should give up driving new cars because they can be tracked.

Allahpundit has confused the value of the product to an individuals life with their desire to live free. This is a totally false comparison without any merit.

Freddy on January 6, 2014 at 1:12 PM

Peter King: Why should members of Congress be exempt from NSA surveillance?

This is exactly how Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and every other despot has handled ‘political enemies’ throughout history. Peter King’s paranoia has now reached into the very house in which he sits.

Would anyone doubt that a President Peter King would use the NSA to attack his hated enemy named Rand Paul?

Peter King is far to paranoid to continue forward in public service.

Freddy on January 6, 2014 at 1:20 PM

Pete King is correct! NO ONE should be exempt from the NSA! Especially Congress!
Starting with the Socialist/Communist members and the Muslim members of Congress

Delsa on January 6, 2014 at 1:21 PM

All people who work for all government (federal/state/city/etc.) should have to live under the same regulations, rules and laws as us poor suckers that pay their wages.

Wade on January 6, 2014 at 1:22 PM

All people who work for all government (federal/state/city/etc.) should have to live under the same regulations, rules and laws as us poor suckers that pay their wages.

Wade on January 6, 2014 at 1:22 PM

After reading my last post, I realized the reality is the Chinese actually pay these crap weasels wages. Me bad.

Wade on January 6, 2014 at 1:25 PM

Pete King is correct! NO ONE should be exempt from the NSA! Especially Congress!
Starting with the Socialist/Communist members and the Muslim members of Congress

Delsa on January 6, 2014 at 1:21 PM

Anyone particular in mind? I can think of one who matches your starting list however not a member of congress.

Wade on January 6, 2014 at 1:27 PM

Is King using the data mining to his political advantage…you know like Dear Leader?

d1carter on January 6, 2014 at 1:28 PM

Peter King: Why should members of Congress be exempt from NSA surveillance?

Amendment IV

The right of the people Congress to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Wade on January 6, 2014 at 1:34 PM

People do not open Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn and Instagram accounts because they wish to shroud their lives in secrecy. They do not use online dating services or post videos on YouTube because they cherish their anonymity. The Internet is a vehicle for self-promotion, personal advertising and the pursuit of celebrity…

If Americans think their privacy is dangerously diminished, there are remedies. They can turn off their PCs, toss their smartphones and smash their tablets.

I’ve been a computer user since the early 80′s and have been online since the early 90′s and I’ve never posted any personal information online. Just because some people post everything online and throw away their privacy doesn’t mean that fascists have a right to violate the privacy of the rest of us.

FloatingRock on January 6, 2014 at 1:36 PM

Is King using the data mining to his political advantage…you know like Dear Leader?

d1carter on January 6, 2014 at 1:28 PM

Or is someone using it on him ?
This is the problem when you lose confidence
in your government .

Lucano on January 6, 2014 at 1:39 PM

Anyone particular in mind? I can think of one who matches your starting list however not a member of congress.

Wade on January 6, 2014 at 1:27 PM

Yes…Bernie Sanders of Vermont (of course he runs as an independent) is the Socialist and Keith Nelson of Minnesota is the Muslim.
Obama may be the other Muslim you were thinking of?

Delsa on January 6, 2014 at 1:44 PM

If Americans think their privacy is dangerously diminished, there are remedies. They can turn off their PCs, toss their smartphones and smash their tablets.

So I’ve been online all these years and carefully guarded my privacy all this time, (FloatingRock is not my real name), but now that a portion new-comers to the Internet have decided to give up their privacy and publish their personal lives online, I’m supposed to turn off my computer and give it up? BS! If anything it’s the fascists whose computers we need to turn off.

FloatingRock on January 6, 2014 at 1:45 PM

I’ve been a computer user since the early 80′s and have been online since the early 90′s and I’ve never posted any personal information online. Just because some people post everything online and throw away their privacy doesn’t mean that fascists have a right to violate the privacy of the rest of us.

FloatingRock on January 6, 2014 at 1:36 PM

BINGO! Being a retired Network Architect/Engineer I am no longer involved with hiring, however if I was, these social sites would be the 1st places I would look for employee information.

Wade on January 6, 2014 at 1:46 PM

Obama may be the other Muslim you were thinking of?

Delsa on January 6, 2014 at 1:44 PM

Ya think? ha

Wade on January 6, 2014 at 1:48 PM

If and it’s a doubtful if, they are listening to our representatives, then it’s not to find out if someone is talking to AQ. It’s to find out if they are talking to the TP or any other conservative group and what they discussed. This guy is in need of some serious therapy.

Kissmygrits on January 6, 2014 at 1:54 PM

Sometimes the NSA gets it (your personal data) with the company’s help and sometimes without, but it all ends up in Uncle Sam’s database. Knowing that, if people are deeply concerned about NSA spying, why haven’t we seen any mass movement to unplug, if not entirely then at least from the major telecom companies?

Allahpundit on January 6, 2014 at 11:21 AM

You mean stop emailing and making calls? It’s not just the freaking FB posts that they are sucking up. And if they decide to target you on a whim,without warrant, they get EVERYTHING. Content and all. That’s what Snowden said and no one has refuted him. Not the NSA, Peter King or Allahpundit

This FB ,unplug argument is stupid dumb. Go and try and run for mayor, congressman or school council without using the internet. Or try running a law practice without emailing some sensitive information. Or try running a company without using an online database. Sure , we could live with the NSA grabbing our FREAKING FB POSTS. That’s not at issue here!!!!!!!!

BoxHead1 on January 6, 2014 at 1:56 PM

If Americans think their privacy is dangerously diminished, there are remedies. They can turn off their PCs, toss their smartphones and smash their tablets.

That statement isn’t much different than saying, “If you don’t want fascists to systematically invade your privacy and violate your constitutional rights you can kill yourself.”

FloatingRock on January 6, 2014 at 2:15 PM

Sometimes the NSA gets it (your personal data) with the company’s help and sometimes without, but it all ends up in Uncle Sam’s database. Knowing that, if people are deeply concerned about NSA spying, why haven’t we seen any mass movement to unplug, if not entirely then at least from the major telecom companies?

Allahpundit on January 6, 2014 at 11:21 AM

Because the correct solution is to put fascists that violate our constitutional rights in prison where they belong so that the rest of us can be free.

FloatingRock on January 6, 2014 at 2:17 PM

Alternate title: “Why is Peter King on TV?”

HopeHeFails on January 6, 2014 at 9:47 PM

Is King one of the congressmen accepting the Obamacare subsidy?

In his world, is it OK if the NSA snoops on Supreme Court justices?
What about the president? What if he might be talking with terrorists? Should we be snooping on John McCain and his Syrian rebel friends?

Part of this debate is silly: you don’t have “rules” about what is done covertly. But this is the key: it cannot be public policy and covert at the same time. This is the problem with the NSA and King’s line – they expect the american people to bow down to their majesty and submit to unlimited and unwarranted search.

The TSA was the first useless public agency to start performing these unwarranted personal invasions of air travellers and it has now reached the current crescendo of corruption where the politicians believe they can intercept any communication from or to anyone at any time for some unspecified future public benefit.

virgo on January 6, 2014 at 11:27 PM

the American people should be the ones who are exempt. Congress should be the only people the NSA watches.

Freeloader on January 7, 2014 at 8:23 AM