Why Kerry’s Middle East Talks Won’t Work

posted at 9:31 am on January 5, 2014 by Jeff Dunetz

According to multiple Sunday morning reports, one of the big hang-ups in Secretary Of State Kerry’s Middle East discussions is the Palestinian’s refusal to recognize Israel as the Jewish State.

Every single Israeli prime minster after Rabin recognized the right to a Palestinian Arab state) including Netanyahu (Rabin, idolized as the great peacemaker, did not recognize the need for a Palestinian State). No Palestinian leader has ever recognized the right of Israel to exist as a Jewish State.  To be frank if you were to read their charters, neither Fatah the party that rules the West Bank, nor Hamas, which rules Gaza, recognizes Israel to exist in any formant.

This lack of recognition has stymied the peace process before. For example, in October 2010 negotiations were being conducted to convince Netanyahu to extend the building freeze in the West Bank. The Israeli Prime Minister made a very simple offer to the Palestinians. If they were to recognize Israel as the Jewish State, Israel would extend building freeze indefinitely. As reported by Al Jazeera the answer from the Palestinians was a resounding no.

Israel as a Jewish State is not a strange idea; in fact throughout its history, the Jewish people have recognized themselves as a religion/nation tied to a specific land. Which is why United Nations Resolution 181, the original partition resolution passed by the UN in November 1947, called for dividing Palestine into Independent Arab and Jewish States.

While the number of Palestinian refugees in 1949 was somewhere around 800,000 (there were 900,000 Jewish refugees from Arab states) today the number is over 4 million. The Palestinian refugees are the only example in history where the number of refugees has grown without a population shift. These refugees are also unique in that the UN counts the original refugees, their children, grandchildren, first cousin twice removed on their mother’s side, friends etc. as refugees.

Abbas’ hardline refusal to recognize Israel is part of the stated strategy to destroy Israel. The purpose of this unique artificial growth is one of the stated Palestinian goals is to flood Israel (within the green lines) with Palestinian Muslims. Being a democracy, if Israel allows herself to be flooded with those 1948 refugees’ along with descendants of those 1948 refugees, she will cease to be the Jewish State. Instead Israel will be just another Muslim country in the Middle East

Until 2012 when the Democrats changed their Platform, it had been the stated policy of both the Democrats and Republicans that any Palestinian refugees be settled in the land of a Palestinian State.

The call for recognition of Israel is not a new demand for any Israeli Prime minister including Netanyahu. He outlined the issue perfectly in a speech before Congress in May 2011:

If the benefits of peace with the Palestinians are so clear, why has peace eluded us?

Because all six Israeli Prime Ministers since the signing of Oslo accords agreed to establish a Palestinian state. Myself included.  So why has peace not been achieved?  Because so far, the Palestinians have been unwilling to accept a Palestinian state, if it meant accepting a Jewish state alongside it.

You see, our conflict has never been about the establishment of a Palestinian state. It has always been about the existence of the Jewish state. This is what this conflict is about.

They were simply unwilling to end the conflict.  And I regret to say this: They continue to educate their children to hate. They continue to name public squares after terrorists.  And worst of all, they continue to perpetuate the fantasy that Israel will one day be flooded by the descendants of Palestinian refugees. My friends, this must come to an end.

President Abbas must do what I have done.  I stood before my people, and I told you it wasn’t easy for me, and I said “I will accept a Palestinian state.” It is time for President Abbas to stand before his people and say “I will accept a Jewish state.”

 

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Why Kerry’s Middle East Talks Won’t Work

Well crap! That’s easy. It’s because Kerry’s involved in them.

Oldnuke on January 5, 2014 at 9:37 AM

Jimmah Carter, pick up the red courtesy phone…

MaxSplinters on January 5, 2014 at 9:38 AM

No Palestinian leader has ever recognized the right of Israel to exist as a Jewish State. To be frank if you were to read their charters, neither Fatah the party that rules the West Bank, nor Hamas, which rules Gaza, recognizes Israel to exist in any formant.

And they never will, Islam prevents it. Which is why Israel shouldn’t be concerned with holding back.

nobar on January 5, 2014 at 9:41 AM

Was not Jordan or “Trans-Jordan” the original Palestinian state? There will be no peace because having a Palestinian state is not the goal. Having no Israeli state is the goal.

ROCnPhilly on January 5, 2014 at 9:44 AM

Until Arabs/Muslims accept a Jewish State, there will be no peace, and no one should spend an ounce of energy trying to create peace where there is none.

rbj on January 5, 2014 at 9:47 AM

An idiot attempting to do the impossible will always end in failure.

Flange on January 5, 2014 at 9:48 AM

Why Kerry’s Middle East Talks Won’t Work

Because they don’t involve wealthy widows. This demo seems to be the only group that he can convince he knows what he’s talking about.

Rio Linda Refugee on January 5, 2014 at 9:49 AM

An amazing trait of so many politicians is that they each believe they are “the one” with “the” solution to solve any and all problems. You know, they get SO smart once elected to some level.

MN J on January 5, 2014 at 9:52 AM

Well crap! That’s easy. It’s because Kerry’s involved in them.

Oldnuke on January 5, 2014 at 9:37 AM

Beat me to it…”Ich bin ein stupid.”

22044 on January 5, 2014 at 9:54 AM

Diplomacy 101: Where there is NO common ground, there can be NO accommodation, no agreement.

What Obama and his tools will never admit is that they are in fundamental agreement with the Palestinians and most of the Arab world regarding the fate of Israel, and their “diplomacy” consists of attempting to achieve the destruction of Israel incrementally.

Except for a screwball minority of hard leftists, the Israelis aren’t stupid and are fully aware of this agenda.

The conflict will not end in the foreseeable future.

novaculus on January 5, 2014 at 9:55 AM

The only purpose of these talks is to put more blame on Israel for their inevitable failure. Then try to leverage more concessions from Israel during the next “talks.” And on and on it goes…

Aplombed on January 5, 2014 at 9:55 AM

Until 2012 when the Democrats changed their Platform,

and yet American Jews continue to swoon over the Democrats and the Dog Eater. Israel will do what it must in order to survive, as they should. The current US administrations actions/policies have proven that they are no friend of Israel, rhetoric is just talk which truly is cheap.

dmann on January 5, 2014 at 10:05 AM

Golda Meir said it a long time ago: Until the palestinians love their children more than they hate Israel there will be no peace.

JimK on January 5, 2014 at 10:08 AM

Was not Jordan or “Trans-Jordan” the original Palestinian state? There will be no peace because having a Palestinian state is not the goal. Having no Israeli state is the goal.

ROCnPhilly on January 5, 2014 at 9:44 AM

There are pictures on the internet of the map of “Palestine” in the office of the PLO’s mission at the UN.

“Palestine’s” borders go from the Mediterranean to Jordan and Syria. To the north, it borders Lebanon, and to the south and west, it borders Egypt. The capital is an undivided al-Aqsa (Jerusalem).

The word “Israel” does not appear on the map.

Wethal on January 5, 2014 at 10:10 AM

Of course the talks won’t work. The talks are not about ‘working.’

The Muslims believe if they hold out long enough, Israel will fall, even if only to demographics. So they are just maneuvering for the eventual kill.

The Israelis know this is what the Muslims are thinking, so why do they bother to sit down with the savages? They believe their advantage in tech will become more and more important to the struggle over the years. For just one small example, soon the Israelis will be able to assassinate their enemies with cheap, fly sized drones. They need to buy time with the increasingly Islamophiliac Western Powers, so they have to pretend to take the Muslims’ claims of ‘willingness to negotiate’ seriously.

That is what is going on. All of the talk of peace is pablum for the Western media.

fadetogray on January 5, 2014 at 10:16 AM

Why Kerry’s Middle East Talks Won’t Work

Well crap! That’s easy. It’s because Kerry’s involved in them.

Oldnuke on January 5, 2014 at 9:37 AM

In fairness to Kerry, if he needed to negotiate a treaty between, say, Israel and the Bahamas, or Israel and Nauru, he could probably succeed at that.

But if we substituted a better Secretary of State and told them to negotiate a treaty between Israel and the Palestinians, that Secretary of State would probably not succeed either.

J.S.K. on January 5, 2014 at 10:22 AM

Why Kerry’s Middle East Talks Won’t Work

Well, first off, Kerry is an idiot. But, the main problem with these, or any “Middle East” talks is that both sides, the Israelis and the palestinian terrorists, are invited into the conversation. To be effective, any “PEACE TALKS” must focus solely on assisting Israel in destroying the palestinian terrorists, and removing their squatter encampments from Israeli lands. There can be no peace until Israel is made whole, and secured, again.

Pork-Chop on January 5, 2014 at 10:27 AM

I am not worried about Kerry. I’m worried about Netanyahu and his coalition pals.

You conservatives in the US have mostly not caught on.

Shy Guy on January 5, 2014 at 10:27 AM

But if we substituted a better Secretary of State and told them to negotiate a treaty between Israel and the Palestinians, that Secretary of State would probably not succeed either.

J.S.K. on January 5, 2014 at 10:22 AM

Not with this President, or, to be fair, with any other President the People, In Their Wisdom, might choose to elect any time soon.

However, peace could be negotiated. First, we would have to recognize what the Muslims are thinking. Second, we would have to convince them overrunning Israel is never going to happen.

Then a negotiated peace would be possible.

fadetogray on January 5, 2014 at 10:28 AM

Negotiating with Muslims is like negotiating with a rock. It doesn’t care what you say.

It’s just gonna keep on doing what rocks do.

BobMbx on January 5, 2014 at 10:29 AM

Apartheid is the only long-term answer. Keep the savages out!

OldEnglish on January 5, 2014 at 10:29 AM

However, peace could be negotiated. First, we would have to recognize what the Muslims are thinking. Second, we would have to convince them overrunning Israel is never going to happen.

fadetogray on January 5, 2014 at 10:28 AM

Sorry but there is no room for an Iranian satellite state on either side of the Jordan.

Shy Guy on January 5, 2014 at 10:30 AM

Abbas’ hardline refusal to recognize Israel is part of the stated strategy to destroy Israel.

Exactly. A Palestinian acceptance of Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish state would implicitly end the Palestinians’ ultimate goal of eliminating the Jewish state. It would mean that they acknowledge that the end result is the permanent status of Israel as a Jewish state in the Middle East.

aunursa on January 5, 2014 at 10:32 AM

Jeff is peddling this recognition BS as a vital part of Israel’s security. The recognition of Israel as a Jewish state was never a precondition to a settlement in any Israeli-Palestinian negotiations until Netanyahu was PM. Recognizing the state of Israel as a sovereign and legitimate state was the real prize has not been a stumbling block to these negotiations.

Abbas’ hardline refusal to recognize Israel is part of the stated strategy to destroy Israel.

Abbas has no problem recognizing Israel and is not a hardliner by any stretch. There are enough real stumbling blocks and challenges in the Israeli-Palestinian relationship without making them up. If this was of any importance to Israeli security they would have insisted on having it as a condition in the UNSC Resolutions.

lexhamfox on January 5, 2014 at 10:32 AM

Sorry but there is no room for an Iranian satellite state on either side of the Jordan.

Shy Guy on January 5, 2014 at 10:30 AM

You did not understand what I said, probably because I said it so matter-of-factly.

“Second, we would have to convince them overrunning Israel is never going to happen.”

Actually convincing them it is never going to happen would necessarily involve some pretty extreme things. The will of the Muslim World would have to be broken. Crushed. Smashed to smithereens. They would have to give up their dreams of global conquest and advance from the 7th century straight into the 21st.

Convincing savages to change their fundamental outlook on the world is generally a pretty gruesome business.

fadetogray on January 5, 2014 at 10:35 AM

Abbas has no problem recognizing Israel and is not a hardliner by any stretch.

lexhamfox on January 5, 2014 at 10:32 AM

What drivel!

He’s as much a liar as Arafat was.

Abbas Means to Destroy Israel

Shy Guy on January 5, 2014 at 10:39 AM

JEFFDUNETZ

This is the first column of yours that I’ve seen. If you’re new, welcome!

If there were ever any prospects of peace, we would have seen signs of them back when the Palestinians voted on their leaders. Perhaps most here remember the one and done exercise of Democracy which Hamas won. That produced internecine purges, assassinations and the usual barbaric acts.

The election results should have been enough to demonstrate that the Pallies were not a party that one could talk peace with. It wasn’t a matter of a barbaric leadership repressing the true feelings of the average man on the street. It was a clear announcement that the people of Palestine are sincere when they say that they prefer death to life.

MJBrutus on January 5, 2014 at 10:42 AM

Israel is a bone in Islams throat, they will not live with it. It takes ignorance and hubris not to understand that.

BL@KBIRD on January 5, 2014 at 10:44 AM

lexhamfox on January 5, 2014 at 10:32 AM

That’s a pantload. Abbass is the Palestinian Rouhani. He speaks happy talk in English out of one side of his mouth and barbarism in Arabic out of the other.

MJBrutus on January 5, 2014 at 10:44 AM

It was a clear announcement that the people of Palestine are sincere when they say that they prefer death to life.

MJBrutus on January 5, 2014 at 10:42 AM

In the interest of being good neighbours, shouldn’t we offer to grant them their wish?

OldEnglish on January 5, 2014 at 10:47 AM

Abbas has no problem recognizing Israel and is not a hardliner by any stretch.

lexhamfox on January 5, 2014 at 10:32 AM

Saeb, is that really you?!

Shy Guy on January 5, 2014 at 10:47 AM

Not with this President, or, to be fair, with any other President the People, In Their Wisdom, might choose to elect any time soon.

However, peace could be negotiated. First, we would have to recognize what the Muslims are thinking. Second, we would have to convince them overrunning Israel is never going to happen.

Then a negotiated peace would be possible.

fadetogray on January 5, 2014 at 10:28 AM

Which U.S. Secretary of State do you think could have negotiated peace between Israel and the Palestinians under their respective current governments? You can choose any of them in history, even the ones from the 18th or 19th century.

J.S.K. on January 5, 2014 at 10:55 AM

In order for the trees and rocks to cry out that there are Jews hiding behind them, such that Muslims should come and kill them, as is stated in the Qu’ran, the trees and rocks must be on Muslim land.

Quranic directive and prophesy will not allow any Muslim of any stripe to accept the long-term existence of any infidel-held lands, Jewish or otherwise. Jews are just special because they should be killed, or dhimma if they have use for their Muslim overlords.

They will fill Israel’s belly with Muslim children until she bursts. There can never be a peace, because the Qu’ran cannot be gainsaid. Abbas would be signing his own death warrant as an apostate if he recognized Israel. How is that not clear to anyone with an Internet connection is really unbelievable.

winoceros on January 5, 2014 at 10:56 AM

Negotiating with Muslims is like negotiating with a rock. It doesn’t care what you say.

It’s just gonna keep on doing what rocks do.

BobMbx on January 5, 2014 at 10:29 AM

Weathering and eroding in place while being tectonically shifted from place to place, and depth to depth, finally being altered and metamorphosed from its initial state into something different?

Can we not accelerate this process somehow? I doubt Kerry would be a prime motivator in this regard.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on January 5, 2014 at 11:02 AM

There must be somebody who can throw a net over this fool and drag him home. Iraq, Iran, and Syria on the table and this idiot gabs idiotically with Israel, while Iran works on the Bomb. Vomitous, but it tells you where Obama’s heart and hate lie, duck on the terrorist nations, posture on Israel.

arand on January 5, 2014 at 11:04 AM

It can’t be said too many times. The over whelming majority of “Palestinians” don’t want their own country, they want Israel with out the Israelis. Preferably dead.

Gebirgsjager on January 5, 2014 at 11:07 AM

arand on January 5, 2014 at 11:04 AM

I hear ya, but suppose he devoted his time and energy to Syria, Nork, Iraq of Iran. Would you expect any good to come of it? At least this foray into futility is likely to be less damaging to our interests than most of the alternatives.

MJBrutus on January 5, 2014 at 11:08 AM

…they lie…like our leader lies!

KOOLAID2 on January 5, 2014 at 11:15 AM

Which U.S. Secretary of State do you think could have negotiated peace between Israel and the Palestinians under their respective current governments? You can choose any of them in history, even the ones from the 18th or 19th century.

J.S.K. on January 5, 2014 at 10:55 AM

My proposal was theoretical. Its purpose was to point out what really needed to be done to achieve a genuine peace.

I recognize we won’t do it, and you are probably correct that the nature of democracy means that we would never have done it.

Anyway, even I am inclined to think we shouldn’t do what is necessary to achieve a real negotiated peace. Way too much blood would have to be spilled. Way too much uncertainty. I am a conservative. Wars should be short and to the point.

The Muslim world should be contained, not fixed.

So the farce continues, since it is the best way to proceed under the circumstances. Just don’t expect any meaningful results.

The difference between a Secretary Kerry and a Secretary Bolton is that Kerry will be constantly maneuvering to undermine Israel’s security.

fadetogray on January 5, 2014 at 11:16 AM

What is:

Because Kerry is an idiot of Biblical proportions.

trs on January 5, 2014 at 11:30 AM

Why Kerry’s Middle East Talks Won’t Work

That would be because he is an arrogant egomanicial narcisitic fool and an out-of-touch with reality liberal who is not as smart as he thinks he is. The power wielders and brokers in the Middle East have been manipulating and using for their own purposes such fools and clowns for at least several millenia.

farsighted on January 5, 2014 at 11:35 AM

Each time I see a pic of J.K. I’m left wondering: does have any lips? At all? Looks like he’s just a slit in his grey face where they are supposed to be.
Is he living? Or a zommmmbie?

avagreen on January 5, 2014 at 12:59 PM

*has a slit

avagreen on January 5, 2014 at 1:00 PM

Kerry is a traitor just like his boss.

crosshugger on January 5, 2014 at 2:02 PM

As has been pointed out above, the inadequacies of Kerry are not the problem. The fact that the “Palestinians” want to eliminate every Jew and vestige thereof in the region is the main reason there will be no “two state solution” or any other proposal that accepts any form of Israel. Because of all the hatred that is preached and taught it will take a generation (if not two) after the decision to make nice with Israel for the people to accept the idea.

Kevin K. on January 5, 2014 at 2:15 PM

BN is exactly on target. As has been said many times the very existence of Israel is against Islam – the land was once Islam’s and so it must return, and Muslims understand this.

Once can glimpse the depth of depravity that Islam can bring the mind to by the huge & passionate support given to Mumtaz Qadri, the assassin of the governor of Punjab province, Salman Taseer, who had condemned the blasphemy law and the death sentence against a Christian peasant woman accused of insulting the “prophet”. The insane have “showered [the assassin] with rose petals, his home has become a shrine to the faithful”

Much more than Taseer would the Jews of Israel be hated. The whole “peace process” effort is political pretense.

Chessplayer on January 5, 2014 at 2:35 PM

Having this buffoon as our representative to the world makes me cringe with shame for our country!

Wine_N_Dine on January 5, 2014 at 3:22 PM

I couldn’t imagine a more embarassing ambassador for America.

Oh, yeah there is Obama, Clinton, Hagal, Sebelius, Napolitano, Dean, Schumer, Reid, Pelosi, any other elected democrat.

Murphy9 on January 5, 2014 at 3:48 PM

There can never be a serious negotiation with a group which refuses to honor any promise they have made in the past.

The US position should be: when the Palestinians are serious about peace, they will honor their past agreements. When they do that, if both sides desire our mediation for progress, we will be happy to help. But until then, it is a complete waste of time.

Oh, and no more money for them until they start honoring those pledges, too, mmmkay?

Adjoran on January 5, 2014 at 4:17 PM

And Democrats still believe that the Swift Boat dudes were Evil…

Del Dolemonte on January 5, 2014 at 5:22 PM

WTF??:

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https://twitter.com/ReutersPolitics

canopfor on January 5, 2014 at 6:23 PM

lexhamfox

Perhaps some history will help:

1) Israel’s Independence Proclamation (it has no constitution) repeatedly refers to a Jewish state that guarantees equal rights to all inhabitants “irrespective of religion, race or sex.”

2) No one said anything about pre conditions.

3) Until 67 there was no real Palestinian Issue because the West Bank was part of Jordan and Gaza was part of Egypt

4) Israel has only been negotiating with the Palestinians for 20 years–they negotiated and even came up with a deal that Arafat walked away from in 1999. That deal did not include the Palestinians flooding Israel with the extended families of refugees, so the demand for recognition as a Jewish State was not necessary.

5) PM Sharon never asked for anything except stopping the terrorism

6) Olmert came close to a deal almost the same as (4) above again it wasn’t necessary.

7) Since then Netanyahu has been PM and he has been specifically asking for this recognition from before he was elected.

jeffdunetz on January 5, 2014 at 7:02 PM

Here is something to consider, as a wise man once told me.
There has never in the history of the world been a “successful” peace through negotiation. The only way to get a lasting peace is when one side or the other totally defeats the other and the loser admits defeat. Look at North and South Korea, No peace. North and South Viet Nam, peace after the north defeated the South. In Israel, they have never been “allowed” to totally defeat the Arab states they have fought. The world forced a stop in all their wars before a total victory.
If Israel were allowed to defeat their enemies, then peace could be possible.

jtpcamp on January 5, 2014 at 11:54 PM

John Kerry Solutions Ltd.

Shy Guy on January 6, 2014 at 12:09 AM

Compare the two peoples and see how the Israeli’s have prospered and built cities, farms and houses since 1947 when they returned to their land. The so called Palestinians live in squalor and on our dole. They remain ignorant and under the influence and thumb of whichever strong man comes along with more guns and fighters willing to die for the cause. Obama, Biden, Clinton or Kerry can’t change a thing in the middle east except bring in a new despot.

Kissmygrits on January 6, 2014 at 10:15 AM