Romney: Apology accepted, but …

posted at 11:01 am on January 5, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

As expected, Mitt Romney took the high road on Fox News Sunday regarding MSNBC’s attack on his family and Melissa Harris-Perry’s apology – but not without a bit of scolding from both Romney and Fox News anchor Chris Wallace.  Romney told Wallace that “I’ve made plenty of mistakes myself,” and that “I’m going to move on from that.” In the future, Romney advised, MSNBC should keep families out of the line of fire:

Romney accepted Harris-Perry’s apology, saying, “The folks at MSNBC made a big mistake and they’ve apologized for it, and that’s all you can ask for. I’m going to move on from that; I’m sure they want to move on from it. Look, I’ve made plenty of mistakes myself and they’ve apologized for this and I think we can go on from there.”

The former presidential candidate added that children should be off limits from political attacks. “If you get in the political game, you can expect incoming. But children – that’s beyond the line. And I think they understand that and feel that as well. I think it’s a heartfelt apology and I think for that reason, we hold no ill will whatsoever.”

Wallace pressed Romney on it a bit further, noting that Harris-Perry joined in the laughter in the original segment and speculated on what it would be like if Romney found himself related to Kanye West. Romney didn’t take the bait, responding that he considered Harris-Perry’s apology to be “heartfelt,” and that he “didn’t really have any comment on those [remarks].”

Romney had a few other comments, however, on ObamaCare, the HHS contraception mandate, and the parallels to RomneyCare in Massachusetts, as well as the Sochi Olympics. The whole interview is below; the MSNBC segment comes at the end.



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Romney didn’t take the bait, responding that he considered Harris-Perry’s apology to be “heartfelt,” and that he “didn’t really have any comment on those [remarks].”

As predicted. Mitt has class.

MJBrutus on January 5, 2014 at 11:03 AM

Romney told Wallace that “I’ve made plenty of mistakes myself”

The biggest one being your gubernatorial record, and your second biggest being your 47% remark.

Stoic Patriot on January 5, 2014 at 11:06 AM

Mitt has class, but he whiffed on a teachable moment concerning prejudgement and its possibility of arriving in all sorts of packages.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on January 5, 2014 at 11:08 AM

Enough of Melissa Hairy Paris. I was not a big fan of Romney as a candidate, but he handled this correctly. Hopefully Hairy Paris will no longer be heard from outside the progressive echo chamber.

More generally, ignore MSNBC, and maybe it will go away.

MidniteRambler on January 5, 2014 at 11:10 AM

So, where’s the apology from NBC and Comcast…?

d1carter on January 5, 2014 at 11:12 AM

Mitt Romney is a decent man and would have made a good president.
But we’ve turned into an indecent country.

vityas on January 5, 2014 at 11:20 AM

It is so very unfortunate that this very decent man is not our President. Instead, we are stuck with the classless Obama. And we’ll probably get stuck with the equally classless Hillary in 2016. *sigh*

Trace21230 on January 5, 2014 at 11:20 AM

“The folks at MSNBC made a big mistake and they’ve apologized for it, and that’s all you can ask for.

No, actually it’s not. You can, and should, ask for a lot more.

For a start, Harris-Perry and MSNBC aided, abetted, and enabled Comrade O in running the dirtiest Presidential campaign in modern US history. How about some apologies for that. This latest incident is nothing but an extension of that. It is not enough to defeat you at the polls, they must destroy you.

And how about some apologies to the American people for sweeping things like Fast and Furious and the Benghazi terrorist attack under the rug.

But that is too much to ask for and expect from rabid amoral socialists who will say and do almost anything to advance The Cause.

And, frankly, Harris-Perry’s apology is not worth the paper a transcript of it could be written on. It’s about like Stalin apologizing that someone he executed did not die immediately from the bullet in the back of the head but “regrettably” had to endure ten seconds of pain before oblivion.

farsighted on January 5, 2014 at 11:21 AM

Comcast should apologize to the world for allowing MSNBC to continue its existence.

Philly on January 5, 2014 at 11:21 AM

Mitt handled this well.

The biggest one being your gubernatorial record, and your second biggest being your 47% remark.

Stoic Patriot on January 5, 2014 at 11:06 AM

And you cannot even stay on topic.

CWchangedhisNicagain on January 5, 2014 at 11:21 AM

@stoic patriot: we get it! YOU move on already.

Also, I had not seen Hairy-Pairs’ “apology”; it’s far too well acted to be considered genuine. As someone above recommended, this cable channel of festering afterbirth personalities should be ignored and left to dry up and blow away in the noon sunlight.

The War Planner on January 5, 2014 at 11:23 AM

Hey look, it’s the Mr. Nicey-Nice guy who let Obama trample him while he couldn’t muster the courage to bring up Benghazi.

Nice guys finish last. Lying bastards take the prize.

So which one is president now???

Number one priority for the next GOP/Conservative/Tea Party presidential candidate: Balls

fogw on January 5, 2014 at 11:29 AM

This little guy was an answer to a prayer…

Which explains why MHP hates him so much…

JohnGalt23 on January 5, 2014 at 11:31 AM

I guess this interview with Romney was scheduled, but FNS got trolled by MSNBC by bringing up MHP.

MSNBC ought to be treated like leftist talk radio shows – we know how that worked out.

22044 on January 5, 2014 at 11:31 AM

Fine, and who can doubt that as Mj says, Mitt has class. But every time I see his image I’m reminded that we should really redouble our effort to put him out of our misery. Now Romney seems to be gaining credence as a Sunday talker, or whatnot. We don’t need that. Certainly we don’t want it.

Why isn’t there more footnotes in every Romney story about how that man acted like a one man wrecking ball to the Republican party?

Sure, Akin et al didn’t help, but we were poised to win the presidency and clean up in the senate. Instead there was a mini Democratic wave caused by you know who. The t@rd had no political sense, like not inviting Palin to speak at the R convention which would have helped to unify a party that instead ended up with 6 million “missing white voters.” No, Romney didn’t invite Palin, because he was better… than his base. Or not joining Huckabee and the whole Republican party in supporting ChickFilA, at minimum at least talking about the right to free speech aspect. Nope, Romney didn’t deign to do even that, because “my campaign is not about that.”

In fact the one single shining “accomplishment” of Romney is that he sunk gay marriage as a winning issue for our party. Notice that it was about 3 days after Romney clinched the nomination that Obama made his pro-gay marriage declaration. Obama never would have done that if Perry or any other non-Romney had got the nomination. Because that issue would have destroyed Obama if any other candidate other than the mushy Romney had one the nomination. When Romney failed to take advantage of momentum that the ChickFilA movement was giving Republicans across this country, the momentum went the other way, and our base was seriously demoralized, and thanks to Romney to support the gay marriage issue suddenly was considered a fringe thing.

Of course we knew the guy would be a horrible candidate. We all fought him tooth and nail, but it’s true that all the other candidates seemed to be horrible. Why? It’s was just too uncanny, I think the “it’s about the economy” candidate Romney made deals (as with promises of positions, whatever) to keep good candidates out of the race.

Why do I beat a dead horse? Because it’s important that we don’t forget the disaster that Romney caused in 2012. So it’s less likely that it happens again to us.

anotherJoe on January 5, 2014 at 11:32 AM

You have to have alot of money to adopt.NSA type background checks,agency fees,psych reviews,home inspections,credit checks,reference interviews,all of which you pay for.If you’re water heater or smoke alarms or anything in the home doesn’t meet the standards you pay to correct that.It takes years in some cases to adopt.It is a hard struggle for anyone to go through.I doubt the MSNBC crew has any idea but they can make a joke of it to make it political and slam any Republican.If they weren’t spoon fed democrat talking points their stupidity would shine through to everyone.

docflash on January 5, 2014 at 11:34 AM

Harris-Perry and MSNBC are sorry….until the next time they take a shot at Palin and her kids.

Bitter Clinger on January 5, 2014 at 11:34 AM

MidniteRambler on January 5, 2014 at 11:10 AM
The War Planner on January 5, 2014 at 11:23 AM

Actually, I disagree. I’m glad that someone on the right monitors them and brings this shite to our attention. I’m not going to give their network views, but they’re not fringe enough (yet) to be dismissed as someone with whom few associate.

Further, in MHP’s case, I’m not interested in a firing. And I’m not interested in announced boycotts of her sponsors. But I’m all in favor of widespread dissemination of the identity of her sponsors because I’m not going to sit through one of her shows to note them. If it’s a sponsor that from whom I buy goods and services, I want to know. I’ll be glad to give them an earful, as I did to Cracker Barrel when it immediately dumped on Phil Robertson. I wasn’t alone, and CB got the message.

And if a sponsor wants to keep buying airtime on such a disgraceful show, good luck to the executive making that ad buy.

BuckeyeSam on January 5, 2014 at 11:36 AM

Romney in my opinion was among the one or two most decent people running for President during my lifetime. Unfortunately decency inhibit winning techniques.

Those who want to use this ugly experience as an opportunity to malign him seem to be placing themselves in the company of that forgettable MSNBC anchor.

Just a thought…

Drained Brain on January 5, 2014 at 11:36 AM

First of, MP should not have apologized for anything but I guess that ship has sailed. Second, the folks like those on this site are the primary reason why our political system will forever remain broken. There has never ever been one single right wing conservative ( after uttering something controversial) who has given such a heartwarming apology the way MP did. But as expected, that won’t be enough for the irrelevant ultra right wing conservatives. Until she jumps in front of a fast moving train, they won’t be happy. I doubt that would even be enough.
In my opinion, MP made a horrible mistake apologizing publicly to the Romney’s. She would have done herself and her show a huge favor by apologizing privately if anything.

loveofcountry on January 5, 2014 at 11:37 AM

I have always thought the Romney’s were a class act. Nothing has changed that impression. He would have made a fine president in our country’s time of great need. The economy would already be growing if President Romney were at the helm. Instead we have…well you know.

JAM on January 5, 2014 at 11:38 AM

The pig Melissa Harris-Hyphen is no different from the entire cast of crawling filth and germs at MSNBC. Just run through the dirt, animal stupidity and twisted hate these creatures wallow in. I understand they’re bitter over Obama not being able to cause even more damage & pain but the savages have to be content with the bile and destruction he has caused. Rome wasn’t destroyed in a day, be patient freaks, 3 1/2 years to go, think of all the pain that be caused in that time.
I wonder what Martin Bashir is doing now days, sweeping floors in a bar somewhere?
And to think Romney has to take this from these obscene sub-humans.

arand on January 5, 2014 at 11:44 AM

In my opinion, MP made a horrible mistake apologizing publicly to the Romney’s. She would have done herself and her show a huge favor by apologizing privately if anything.

loveofcountry

She publicly attacked a baby. She should publicly apologize, idiot. When have Sasha and Malia ever been attacked by anyone on the right? That’s right, never. But every one of the Rep. candidates for president has had their children drug through the mud by the left. It is your side that is repugnant and disgusting. You wallow in the rhetorical mud. Own it you silly little twit!

JAM on January 5, 2014 at 11:44 AM

loveofcountry on January 5, 2014 at 11:37 AM

You are absolutely correct. She should not have apologized.

She should have been honest about what she thought about it. Let her speak her mind in public. Let her show us what kind of person she really is instead of hiding behind lies.

fadetogray on January 5, 2014 at 11:44 AM

In my opinion, MP made a horrible mistake apologizing publicly to the Romney’s. She would have done herself and her show a huge favor by apologizing privately if anything.

loveofcountry on January 5, 2014 at 11:37 AM

Closed door apologies after public racism rants…..

seems pretty acceptable…/

Electrongod on January 5, 2014 at 11:44 AM

Romney was gracious, as usual, showing the classy kind of guy he is. But the graciousness was wasted on a vile, bitter hate hustler.

Class vs. Crass

petefrt on January 5, 2014 at 11:48 AM

Decent is good. Respectable. Admirable.

Until you are at war.

We ARE at war with progs. The pilot of the Enola Gay was decent. So was the grunt with a flame thrower.

The war against progs grows less sublime each and every day.

We forgave the Germans and the Japanese, too. AFTER we kicked their asses.

wolly4321 on January 5, 2014 at 11:51 AM

Here we are chasing the Bright Shiny Object.

Mission accomplished for the Left: focus attention everywhere else but on Bark & the Donks miserable record.

Mittens is about as relevant as Bob Dole.

Hot Gas indeed.

Bruno Strozek on January 5, 2014 at 11:51 AM

There are three things in the world that deserve no mercy, hypocrisy, fraud, and tyranny and lil’ Melissa embraces all 3

roflmmfao

donabernathy on January 5, 2014 at 11:51 AM

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on January 5, 2014 at 11:08 AM

This describes one reason why Romney isn’t President: like McCain, he never was willing to pound voters over the head with what he considered the obvious because he never understood there are plenty of voters who can’t see the obvious unless they are indeed hit over the skull with it.

If MHP is wrong, say so and in terms even moderate Democrats can’t disagree with. Say, “my hope is that someday, and maybe even learning from this moment, MHP and her panel (none of whom have come forward to apologize so far) will learn to judge people by factors other than the color of their skin, like, maybe, wait until their character has become apparent.” Stick it to them, every chance they give you.

MTF on January 5, 2014 at 11:52 AM

Wonder what her typical white mother thought of the apology?

OmahaConservative on January 5, 2014 at 11:52 AM

Good for Mitt for taking the high road and accepting the apology. I actually think MHP was sincere – as sincere as liberals can be.

I don’t think she should be fired but this incident should be remembered. Republicans don’t need to stoop to their level but need to fight back when needed.

gophergirl on January 5, 2014 at 11:52 AM

Those who want to use this ugly experience as an opportunity to malign him seem to be placing themselves in the company of that forgettable MSNBC anchor.

Just a thought…

Drained Brain on January 5, 2014 at 11:36 AM

One can malign the manner and tactics of a presidential candidate yet still have respect for the decency of the man running.

You don’t beat a Chicago thug with spitballs.

fogw on January 5, 2014 at 11:55 AM

gophergirl on January 5, 2014 at 11:52 AM

Stay inside today darlin’
Sounds like you are having killer temps…

OmahaConservative on January 5, 2014 at 11:56 AM

Harris-Perry had to do something (or be forced to do something) before Gov. Romney appeared on Sunday chat shows to comment on the remarks, hence the on-air apology.

Melissa, doesn’t it stink when the irate rabble forces you to come out of the radical leftist media bubble and account for your actions? Why, I’m sure they are not sophisticated enough to comprehend the deeper meaning of your remarks. They’re just simple enough to be believe that attacking a baby and his adoptive family is just plain mean. Idiots.

Philly on January 5, 2014 at 11:57 AM

I’ve voted for Mitt multiple times as governor and presidential candidate.

But his time has passed.He would have made a great president and with his fix-it ability actually have gotten things done.

But he did not win. Now he should go away and spend his millions on himself and family and his causes.

Fox should now stick to relevent possible candidates.

gerrym51 on January 5, 2014 at 11:59 AM

Stay inside today darlin’
Sounds like you are having killer temps…

OmahaConservative on January 5, 2014 at 11:56 AM

Today through Tuesday are going to be killer. This has been the worst winter already and it’s only January 5. UGH

gophergirl on January 5, 2014 at 11:59 AM

Sure, Akin et al didn’t help, but we were poised to win the presidency and clean up in the senate. Instead there was a mini Democratic wave caused by you know who. The t@rd had no political sense, like not inviting Palin to speak at the R convention which would have helped to unify a party that instead ended up with 6 million “missing white voters.” No, Romney didn’t invite Palin, because he was better… than his base. Or not joining Huckabee and the whole Republican party in supporting ChickFilA, at minimum at least talking about the right to free speech aspect. Nope, Romney didn’t deign to do even that, because “my campaign is not about that.”

In fact the one single shining “accomplishment” of Romney is that he sunk gay marriage as a winning issue for our party. Notice that it was about 3 days after Romney clinched the nomination that Obama made his pro-gay marriage declaration. Obama never would have done that if Perry or any other non-Romney had got the nomination. Because that issue would have destroyed Obama if any other candidate other than the mushy Romney had one the nomination. When Romney failed to take advantage of momentum that the ChickFilA movement was giving Republicans across this country, the momentum went the other way, and our base was seriously demoralized, and thanks to Romney to support the gay marriage issue suddenly was considered a fringe thing.

anotherJoe on January 5, 2014 at 11:32 AM

You think he lost in part because he didn’t stand in line for a chicken sandwich? You’re absolutely wrong about the gay marriage thing. The tide has been slowly turning in favor of it for years, and no matter who the candidate was it was inevitable that Obama was going to come out in favor of it. He needed to rile up his base, and he was always going to play that card. Besides, if it’s such a winning issue for us why didn’t Obama get destroyed over it? It wasn’t because Romney was mushy on it…after all, he was made out to be a far right radical who vehemently opposed gay marriage, and if people were against it they surely would not have voted for the ticket that just embraced it. Yet, they did anyway…that ought to tell you more than lines at Chick fil A one day in August did.

As for the Palin thing, if her not speaking at the convention led to people refusing to at least vote against Obama, then they got what they deserve in another four years of this garbage.

changer1701 on January 5, 2014 at 11:59 AM

MP should not have apologized for anything

loveofcountry on January 5, 2014 at 11:37 AM

Why not, Teen Spirit?

Del Dolemonte on January 5, 2014 at 12:03 PM

The former presidential candidate added that children should be off limits from political attacks. “If you get in the political game, you can expect incoming. But children – that’s beyond the line. And I think they understand that and feel that as well. I think it’s a heartfelt apology and I think for that reason, we hold no ill will whatsoever.”

…OH PLEASE!…you know the left will POUNCE on every opportunity they can (nothing has changed in DECADES!)…unless it has something to do with a progressive candidate’s kid…(Pelosi kid, Reid kid, Biden kid, Kennedy kid, Carter kid, Boxer kid, Gore kid, etc… versus a Palin kid…Bush kid…)…the media has had a child abuse problem…for any kid…on the right of the ‘left’ political spectrum!

KOOLAID2 on January 5, 2014 at 12:07 PM

Today through Tuesday are going to be killer. This has been the worst winter already and it’s only January 5. UGH

gophergirl on January 5, 2014 at 11:59 AM

This is going to bee our coldest winter since 1983…

OmahaConservative on January 5, 2014 at 12:08 PM

Were I Mitt, I’d have gone like this:

“All well and good, Ms. Harris-Perry, but, please, I simply must know: what is it that drives you to be such a hateful person?

“What is it that causes you to be so alienated from your own humanity?

“Who are these demons that torment you and have debauched your mind, transforming it into the continuously seething cauldron of rage we encounter every time you appear on screen?

“When did you lose your way? And when will you begin your climb out of this pit of wretchedness into which you have allowed yourself to descend?

What is your plan to stop your hate?”

FlameWarrior on January 5, 2014 at 12:09 PM

And you cannot even stay on topic.

CWchangedhisNicagain on January 5, 2014 at 11:21 AM

It’s quite on topic. It’s pertinent to his remarks.

@stoic patriot: we get it! YOU move on already.

The War Planner on January 5, 2014 at 11:23 AM

As soon as the Mittwits stop their cult-worship of this sleazebag, you’ve got it.

Stoic Patriot on January 5, 2014 at 12:09 PM

Melissa Hairy Paris is not candidate Barry Soetoro, and this was not an election.

Romney should have taken the gloves off against Obama, because Barry was a sitting president and the leader of the progressive movement.

Romney is right to move on from this tiff over his grandson, because Hairy Paris is a commentator on a third-rate cable news net that even relatively honest progressives will admit is nothing more than a propaganda organ of the left. Stop giving Hairy Paris any more attention.

MidniteRambler on January 5, 2014 at 12:11 PM

As soon as the Mittwits stop their cult-worship of this sleazebag, you’ve got it.

Stoic Patriot on January 5, 2014 at 12:09 PM

You know it is possible to say that someone is classy and still have differences with them in other areas.

Mitt Romney is a lot of things but a sleazebag is not one of them.

gophergirl on January 5, 2014 at 12:11 PM

loveofcountry on January 5, 2014 at 11:37 AM

…are your chemicals…ingested orally?…or are they injected…to a vein…or directly to the brain?

KOOLAID2 on January 5, 2014 at 12:11 PM

Kids are off-limits in political attacks. MSNBC needs to remember not to cross that line again.

Conservchik on January 5, 2014 at 12:13 PM

You know it is possible to say that someone is classy and still have differences with them in other areas.

Mitt Romney is a lot of things but a sleazebag is not one of them.

gophergirl on January 5, 2014 at 12:11 PM

Lying and flip-flopping does not a classy-guy make, nor does looking down on people for their income being too paltry. He has the aesthetics, nothing more.

Stoic Patriot on January 5, 2014 at 12:13 PM

It is such a shame he’s not our President right now.

Nice guys do finish last most of the time I lament that Romney didn’t go for the jugular in the last weeks of the campaign.

Our nation would be in such a different place right now if he had won.

What a shame!

SauerKraut537 on January 5, 2014 at 12:14 PM

Many folks on “our side” mistake having class for not being able to neuter The Left when a moment arrives. Okay, y’all be all nice and forgiving.

SouthernGent on January 5, 2014 at 12:16 PM

Mitt Romney is a lot of things but a sleazebag is not one of them.

gophergirl on January 5, 2014 at 12:11 PM

Lying and flip-flopping does not a classy-guy make, nor does looking down on people for their income being too paltry. He has the aesthetics, nothing more.

Stoic Patriot on January 5, 2014 at 12:13 PM

Some credible, multi-sourced cites of Romney’s “lies” would help your case.

Oh, and O’bama thanks you for your vote!

O+

Del Dolemonte on January 5, 2014 at 12:19 PM

loveofcountry on January 5, 2014 at 11:37 AM

Oh, just go pound sand up your butt, you anti-American turd.

IOW: FOAD

Solaratov on January 5, 2014 at 12:21 PM

Some credible, multi-sourced cites of Romney’s “lies” would help your case.

Oh, and O’bama thanks you for your vote!

O+

Del Dolemonte on January 5, 2014 at 12:19 PM

I didn’t vote for Obama, but I didn’t vote for his architect-of-Obamacare-at-the-state-level either.

As one simple lie, let’s try looking at Rick Perry’s primary commercial about whether or not he would use Romneycare as a model for the nation.

Stoic Patriot on January 5, 2014 at 12:25 PM

Del Dolemonte on January 5, 2014 at 12:19 PM

Since you also said you wanted multi-sourced, let’s try:

http://conservatives4palin.com/2011/10/mitt-romney-romneycare-will-be-a-model-for-the-nation.html

Stoic Patriot on January 5, 2014 at 12:27 PM

Stoic Patriot on January 5, 2014 at 12:25 PM

Idiot, not voting is a vote for neither, but even when you don’t vote, the side that would have had your vote otherwise “loses” a vote.

SauerKraut537 on January 5, 2014 at 12:29 PM

As soon as the Mittwits stop their cult-worship of this sleazebag, you’ve got it.

Stoic Patriot on January 5, 2014 at 12:09 PM

You’re a whack job.

CWchangedhisNicagain on January 5, 2014 at 12:30 PM

Idiot, not voting is a vote for neither, but even when you don’t vote, the side that would have had your vote otherwise “loses” a vote.

SauerKraut537 on January 5, 2014 at 12:29 PM

Neither side lost my vote, since neither would ever have it given the candidates they were running. A vote must be earned by a party every time. There are no freebies.

Stoic Patriot on January 5, 2014 at 12:32 PM

One very notable pathology is a form of argument that, reduced to essence, runs like this: “Your refusal to acknowledge that you are guilty of {sin,racism,sexism, homophobia,oppression…} confirms that you are guilty of {sin,racism,sexism, homophobia,oppression…}.” I’ve been presented with enough instances of this recently that I’ve decided that it needs a name. I call this general style of argument “kafkatrapping”, and the above the Model A kafkatrap. In this essay, I will show that the kafkatrap is a form of argument that is so fallacious and manipulative that those subjected to it are entitled to reject it based entirely on the form of the argument, without reference to whatever particular sin or thoughtcrime is being alleged. I will also attempt to show that kafkatrapping is so self-destructive to the causes that employ it that change activists should root it out of their own speech and thoughts.

My reference, of course, is to Franz Kafka’s “The Trial”, in which the protagonist Josef K. is accused of crimes the nature of which are never actually specified, and enmeshed in a process designed to degrade, humiliate, and destroy him whether or not he has in fact committed any crime at all. The only way out of the trap is for him to acquiesce in his own destruction; indeed, forcing him to that point of acquiescence and the collapse of his will to live as a free human being seems to be the only point of the process, if it has one at all.

This is almost exactly the way the kafkatrap operates in religious and political argument. Real crimes – actual transgressions against flesh-and-blood individuals – are generally not specified. The aim of the kafkatrap is to produce a kind of free-floating guilt in the subject, a conviction of sinfulness that can be manipulated by the operator to make the subject say and do things that are convenient to the operator’s personal, political, or religious goals. Ideally, the subject will then internalize these demands, and then become complicit in the kafkatrapping of others.

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=2122

davidk on January 5, 2014 at 12:32 PM

CWchangedhisNicagain on January 5, 2014 at 12:30 PM

And you’re still wrapped in the cult of Mitt.

Stoic Patriot on January 5, 2014 at 12:32 PM

There has never ever been one single right wing conservative ( after uttering something controversial) who has given such a heartwarming apology the way MP did.
 
loveofcountry on January 5, 2014 at 11:37 AM

 
+1.
 
The addition of a searchable twitter hashtag made it even more heartwarming.
 

I am sorry. Without reservation or qualification. I apologize to the Romney family. #MHPapology
 
— Melissa Harris-Perry (@MHarrisPerry) December 31, 2013

rogerb on January 5, 2014 at 12:33 PM

Romney gave up after he had a seven point lead after the first debate…..I hope I never hear his voice again.

#failedusallin2012

PappyD61 on January 5, 2014 at 12:33 PM

Mitt would have been a great president. The sleaze bags on the left, like MPH and her ilk, would have attacked him relentlessly. Stuck with Obama for 3 more years. I weep for America.

rubberneck on January 5, 2014 at 12:33 PM

As soon as the Mittwits stop their cult-worship of this sleazebag, you’ve got it.

Stoic Patriot on January 5, 2014 at 12:09 PM

You’re a whacking joboff.

CWchangedhisNicagain on January 5, 2014 at 12:30 PM

…fify CW!

KOOLAID2 on January 5, 2014 at 12:34 PM

As soon as the Mittwits stop their cult-worship of this sleazebag, you’ve got it.

Stoic Patriot on January 5, 2014 at 12:09 PM

That’s a truly idiotic thing to say.

Just because a man lost a presidential election does not make him a “sleazebag” – no matter how butthurt you are.

Romney was a good man before the election; and he remains so today.

Just get over yourself.

Solaratov on January 5, 2014 at 12:36 PM

…fify CW!

KOOLAID2 on January 5, 2014 at 12:34 PM

Hilarious given the masturbation to his business record that so many Mittwits engaged in. Vulture capitalism and gay marriage for the win, eh?

Stoic Patriot on January 5, 2014 at 12:36 PM

That’s a truly idiotic thing to say.

Just because a man lost a presidential election does not make him a “sleazebag” – no matter how butthurt you are.

Romney was a good man before the election; and he remains so today.

Just get over yourself.

Solaratov on January 5, 2014 at 12:36 PM

He was a sleazebag before the election, he was a sleazebag as governor, he was a sleazebag as a presidential candidate, and he’s a sleazebag now.

Stoic Patriot on January 5, 2014 at 12:37 PM

As for the Palin thing, if her not speaking at the convention led to people refusing to at least vote against Obama, then they got what they deserve in another four years of this garbage.

changer1701 on January 5, 2014 at 11:59 AM

Incredible. “They” got what they deserve. “They” were the Republican base. Or just Republicans. To think that Romney and his fans thought that the base could go take a flying leap, so they got 6 million “missing white voters.” Yeah, Romney thought that conservatives would bite the bullet and show up for a smirky non-partisan double-talking “Republican” that ran from the key issues of gay marriage and immigration. Well, we nominated essentially a non-Republican, a self-professed previous “independent.” Romney was not us, he was “they.” And his supposed decency was part of his problem. It was a leftist style decency which drove him to distance himself from our issues of gay marriage, immigration, (+ abortion), and to fail like McCain to take the hard fight to leftist Obama. But his “decency” always seemed kind of be propped up, skin deep. That’s what the inane “47%” comment showed, which was actually a ridiculous comment that revealed a “shrinking pie” Democratic mindset. People realized that about the equivocating issue skirting Romney: that all he had was a syrupy decency, but even that decency seemed somehow contrived. And of course I think your analysis of gay marriage is wrong.

And about this Melissa Perry thing. Yes, I agree with some others here who say that this is mission accomplished for the Dems. To get us concentrating on and defending, of all people, Romney. To get us re-embracing Romney, and then the thing that slaughtered us in 2012 is back in us. Expunge.

anotherJoe on January 5, 2014 at 12:38 PM

Stoic Patriot on January 5, 2014 at 12:37 PM

…who do you like…again?

KOOLAID2 on January 5, 2014 at 12:40 PM

1 Neither side lost my vote…

2 A vote must be earned by a party every time. There are no freebies.

Stoic Patriot on January 5, 2014 at 12:32 PM

1. So you’re saying you would vote for a Democrat?

2. True, but its better to work with what you got that not at all.

SauerKraut537 on January 5, 2014 at 12:40 PM

“vulture capitalism”?

Has a ows ring to it,, no?

wolly4321 on January 5, 2014 at 12:41 PM

I didn’t vote for Obama, but I didn’t vote for his architect-of-Obamacare-at-the-state-level either.

Stoic Patriot on January 5, 2014 at 12:25 PM

Ah, jeez. Another gary johnson trucon.

Solaratov on January 5, 2014 at 12:41 PM

…who do you like…again?

KOOLAID2 on January 5, 2014 at 12:40 PM

Of the candidates running in the GOP primary, my support was for Santorum (before his boom in support right before Iowa). After Romney secure the nomination, I voted for the Constitution Party’s candidate, Virgil Goode.

Stoic Patriot on January 5, 2014 at 12:41 PM

1. So you’re saying you would vote for a Democrat?

2. True, but its better to work with what you got that not at all.

SauerKraut537 on January 5, 2014 at 12:40 PM

It’s not absolutely impossible for a Democrat to earn my vote. I don’t see it ever happening, but I wouldn’t completely rule it out from ever happening. But when I take a look back at Democrats as POTUS, the last one that I take a look at and had any sliver of respect for was Harry Truman.

What I had with Mitt was the worst of both worlds: someone who had the socially liberal past that I despise, and who was the anointed one of the business community. Add flip-flopping and the awkwardness of “severely conservative” and all the trees being the right height, and I’m not sure that it’s possible to come up with a candidate with fewer redeeming virtues. Maybe John Edwards could still qualify as worse.

Stoic Patriot on January 5, 2014 at 12:44 PM

Ah, jeez. Another gary johnson trucon.

Solaratov on January 5, 2014 at 12:41 PM

No, I voted for the Constitution Party’s nominee, not the Libertarian Party’s nominee. Gary Johnson was a pro-drug, pro-gay marriage, pro-abortion candidate. All three of those are unacceptable to me.

Stoic Patriot on January 5, 2014 at 12:45 PM

After Romney secure the nomination, I voted for the Constitution Party’s candidate, Virgil Goode.

Stoic Patriot on January 5, 2014 at 12:41 PM

Had as much of a chance as Mickey Mouse.

No wait, less of a chance.

fogw on January 5, 2014 at 12:47 PM

As predicted. Mitt has class.

MJBrutus on January 5, 2014 at 11:03 AM

As expected, he goes easiest on the people who truly hate him.

This is why he is a loser in this political climate.

Daemonocracy on January 5, 2014 at 12:47 PM

Had as much of a chance as Mickey Mouse.

No wait, less of a chance.

fogw on January 5, 2014 at 12:47 PM

Mickey Mouse would have been a better candidate than Mitt.

Stoic Patriot on January 5, 2014 at 12:47 PM

Stoic Patriot on January 5, 2014 at 12:44 PM

I’m not saying it’s impossible either but you gave a good example with Truman… None of the candidates for Democrat were even remotely worthy of your vote. Romney was at least viable, so why not go with the viable one over the one you clearly despise.

Admit it, you’re an idiot for not voting for PResident, even IF the outcome was “predetermined” in your state that Obama wouldn’t win…

You’re a useful idiot masquerading as a thoughtful and pensive voter.

SauerKraut537 on January 5, 2014 at 12:47 PM

Stoic Patriot on January 5, 2014 at 12:37 PM

Oh, sure.

We believe you. No. Really. We do.

We’re just arguing because it’s the HA way. Think nothing of it.

Because…we really, really do believe what you babble say.

You da man!

BWAHAHAHAhahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Solaratov on January 5, 2014 at 12:51 PM

I’m not saying it’s impossible either but you gave a good example with Truman… None of the candidates for Democrat were even remotely worthy of your vote. Romney was at least viable, so why not go with the viable one over the one you clearly despise.

Admit it, you’re an idiot for not voting for PResident, even IF the outcome was “predetermined” in your state that Obama wouldn’t win…

You’re a useful idiot masquerading as a thoughtful and pensive voter.

SauerKraut537 on January 5, 2014 at 12:47 PM

Errr… because I despised both of them? If anything, I considered Mitt slightly worse, since I regarded him as an impediment to getting a conservative nominee in the 2016 election, since it would have been Mitt the Liberal versus the almost-assuredly liberal Democrat.

This way there’s another shot for a conservative candidate in 2016.

Stoic Patriot on January 5, 2014 at 12:51 PM

Kids are off-limits in political attacks. MSNBC needs to remember not to cross that line again.
Conservchik on January 5, 2014 at 12:13 PM

I disagree. As long as conservative radio talk show hosts are allowed to throw daily insults at the president’s children, “kids” are not off-limits.

It’s so ironic to see the same folks who chastised Rush for issuing that fake a$$ apology to Sandra Fluke now claiming Romney deserves some apology. MHP did nothing wrong. Too bad she is a weak progressive who works for the conservative owned MSNBC. And yes, the network is owned by right wing conservatives looking to make a buck off liberal viewers. Nothing wrong with that though. That’s capitalism.

loveofcountry on January 5, 2014 at 12:51 PM

Mickey Mouse would have been a better candidate than Mitt.

Stoic Patriot on January 5, 2014 at 12:47 PM

And a better judge of character than you.

fogw on January 5, 2014 at 12:52 PM

Oh, sure.

We believe you. No. Really. We do.

We’re just arguing because it’s the HA way. Think nothing of it.

Because…we really, really do believe what you babble say.

You da man!

BWAHAHAHAhahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Solaratov on January 5, 2014 at 12:51 PM

The evidence regarding Mitt is there for all to see. Thinking the guy’s some saint really requires some dedicated effort to covering your ears and closing your eyes.

Stoic Patriot on January 5, 2014 at 12:53 PM

And a better judge of character than you.

fogw on January 5, 2014 at 12:52 PM

Oh boy! =P

Stoic Patriot on January 5, 2014 at 12:53 PM

Stoic Patriot on January 5, 2014 at 12:51 PM

Romney lived in a highly liberal part of the country trying to make a dent as a conservative. So he played people to get into office where he might be able to do some good. The writing was on the wall already and Mass was going to enact something related to healthcare whether he was an obstacle to it or not.

I think a President Romney would have shown us the real conservative he’s been hiding all along while he lived in that highly liberal part of the country.

You’re a useful idiot.

SauerKraut537 on January 5, 2014 at 12:53 PM

Romney lived in a highly liberal part of the country trying to make a dent as a conservative. So he played people to get into office where he might be able to do some good. The writing was on the wall already and Mass was going to enact something related to healthcare whether he was an obstacle to it or not.

I think a President Romney would have shown us the real conservative he’s been hiding all along while he lived in that highly liberal part of the country.

You’re a useful idiot.

SauerKraut537 on January 5, 2014 at 12:53 PM

Past performance is the best indicator of future performance. Sometimes there’s not a conservative secretly hiding underneath — the liberal you see is the liberal you get. I’m not exactly holding my breath for Hillary Clinton to suddenly see the light, and I wasn’t going to hold my breath for Mitt either.

Stoic Patriot on January 5, 2014 at 12:56 PM

Why do I beat a dead horse? Because it’s important that we don’t forget the disaster that Romney caused in 2012. So it’s less likely that it happens again to us.

anotherJoe on January 5, 2014 at 11:32 AM

Ok, Einstein, who do you think COULD have beaten Obama ? Perry ? Santorum ?

Excuse me while I laugh my ass off. I get that you feel Romney was not an ideal candidate. But every other one of them was LESS ideal.

I agree, mythical, non-existent perfect unspecified Conservative candidate would have trounced Obama. Too bad this person did not, and still does not exist.

deadrody on January 5, 2014 at 12:57 PM

I give this evil woman less than two weeks before doing the same thing. The left is nothing but hate and anger. She and the msnbc team can’t help themselves.

As to the guy saying that the broken political system is the fault of the right, look in the mirror. The left has been vile for decades. The right is just fed up and now slightly fighting back. This scares the bejeebers out of the left. Decent and civilized people have now been awakened.

jukin3 on January 5, 2014 at 12:57 PM

Stoic Patriot on January 5, 2014 at 12:56 PM

I see you’ve had time to rationalize it all out. Thanks for making that clear.

SauerKraut537 on January 5, 2014 at 12:58 PM

The biggest one being your gubernatorial record, and your second biggest being your 47% remark.

Stoic Patriot on January 5, 2014 at 11:06 AM

I hate that we have come to the point where you get in trouble for telling the truth.

Alabama Infidel on January 5, 2014 at 1:02 PM

Kids are off-limits in political attacks. MSNBC needs to remember not to cross that line again.
 
Conservchik on January 5, 2014 at 12:13 PM

 
I disagree. As long as conservative radio talk show hosts are allowed to throw daily insults at the president’s children, “kids” are not off-limits.
 
loveofcountry on January 5, 2014 at 12:51 PM

 
And yet “are allowed” isn’t “do”.
 
talk radio insult obama’s children
 
Yields no results on google.
 
Are you uninformed or just lying? There are no other choices, btw.

rogerb on January 5, 2014 at 1:04 PM

I voted for the Constitution Party’s candidate, Virgil Goode.

Stoic Patriot on January 5, 2014 at 12:41 PM

Virgil Goode’s political affiliations:

1996-2000 Democrat Party
2000-2002 Independent
2002-2010 Republican Party
2010-Present Constitution Party

That’s got to be some kind of record. How does he decide, Magic 8 Ball?

fogw on January 5, 2014 at 1:05 PM

I voted for the Constitution Party’s candidate, Virgil Goode.

Stoic Patriot on January 5, 2014 at 12:41 PM

Virgil Goode’s political affiliations:

1996-2000 Democrat Party
2000-2002 Independent
2002-2010 Republican Party
2010-Present Constitution Party

That’s got to be some kind of record. How does he decide, Magic 8 Ball?

fogw on January 5, 2014 at 1:05 PM

Priceless!

Stoic Patriot admonishes Romney for being a squish and a flip flopper and says he’s not going to vote for Romney because of that, and then votes for a guy who’s changed party affiliations like clothes…

SauerKraut537 on January 5, 2014 at 1:07 PM

As expected he did what a good Moderate Republican is supposed to do. Mitt was noble, and allowed the evil doers to get off easy and not allowed to choke on their public vomit.

You could have been President, Mitt.

portlandon on January 5, 2014 at 1:07 PM

I hate that we have come to the point where you get in trouble for telling the truth.

Alabama Infidel on January 5, 2014 at 1:02 PM

Let’s review the original remark.

There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe that government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it. That that’s an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. And I mean, the president starts off with 48, 49, 48—he starts off with a huge number. These are people who pay no income tax. Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax. So our message of low taxes doesn’t connect. And he’ll be out there talking about tax cuts for the rich. I mean that’s what they sell every four years. And so my job is not to worry about those people—I’ll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives. What I have to do is convince the 5 to 10 percent in the center that are independents that are thoughtful, that look at voting one way or the other depending upon in some cases emotion, whether they like the guy or not, what it looks like.

Given that that 47 percent constitutes a bunch of people who are working class voters, retirees, and the truly destitute, that’s quite a claim, especially the line about not being able to convince them to take responsibility for their lives.

To equate that 47 percent (which by the way, is not actually the percentage of people who pay zero percent of their income in taxes, since most of those people still pay in payroll tax) with being Obama supporters, with openly declaring that you don’t have to care about them, and that they’re irresponsible is way beyond the pale.

He didn’t get in trouble for telling the truth. He got in trouble for showing contempt for people without just cause.

Stoic Patriot on January 5, 2014 at 1:08 PM

Del Dolemonte on January 5, 2014 at 12:19 PM

I didn’t vote for Obama, but I didn’t vote for his architect-of-Obamacare-at-the-state-level either.

As one simple lie, let’s try looking at Rick Perry’s primary commercial about whether or not he would use Romneycare as a model for the nation.

Stoic Patriot on January 5, 2014 at 12:25 PM

A no vote for Romney was a vote for O’bama, because it was a vote Romney could have used. Don’t insult our intelligence.

The reason Democrats win elections? Their voters hold their noses and vote for their Party’s candidate, even if they don’t agree with all that candidate’s positions. Had you idiots done the same in 2008 and 2012, O’bama never would have happened.

As for your conclusion, I said credible cites. A campaign ad by one of Romney’s opponents is not a credible cite.

INCOMPLETE.

Del Dolemonte on January 5, 2014 at 1:09 PM

Priceless!

Stoic Patriot admonishes Romney for being a squish and a flip flopper and says he’s not going to vote for Romney because of that, and then votes for a guy who’s changed party affiliations like clothes…

SauerKraut537 on January 5, 2014 at 1:07 PM

Party affiliation isn’t exactly the same thing as issue positions, now is it? As I said, I could conceivably vote for a Democrat if it were the right candidate.

Stoic Patriot on January 5, 2014 at 1:10 PM

Party affiliation isn’t exactly the same thing as issue positions, now is it? As I said, I could conceivably vote for a Democrat if it were the right candidate.

Stoic Patriot on January 5, 2014 at 1:10 PM

I’m not partial to useful idiots trying to insult my intelligence my friend.

Go be pensive some more and let me know when you’re head is on straight.

SauerKraut537 on January 5, 2014 at 1:12 PM

A no vote for Romney was a vote for O’bama, because it was a vote Romney could have used. Don’t insult our intelligence.

The reason Democrats win elections? Their voters hold their noses and vote for their Party’s candidate, even if they don’t agree with all that candidate’s positions. Had you idiots done the same in 2008 and 2012, O’bama never would have happened.

As for your conclusion, I said credible cites. A campaign ad by one of Romney’s opponents is not a credible cite.

INCOMPLETE.

Del Dolemonte on January 5, 2014 at 1:09 PM

Nonsense. That vote could have also been used to further bolster Obama. A refusal to vote for one candidate does not equate with a vote for another candidate.

As for the Democrats, they don’t win by holding their noses. They win because their party is far more satisfied with their choices. I vaguely recall a Rasmussen poll showing that about 3/4ths of Democrats said that their party did a good job representing them, while 3/4ths of Republicans said the opposite about their party.

Stoic Patriot on January 5, 2014 at 1:12 PM

I didn’t vote for Obama, but I didn’t vote for his architect-of-Obamacare-at-the-state-level either.

Stoic Patriot on January 5, 2014 at 12:25 PM

PS, I see that you swallowed the lies about RomneyCare hook, line and sinker. The majority of the MA health care bill was written by the Democrats who control MA. When Romney vetoed 8 entire sections that the Democrats had put in because he felt they were too extreme, all 8 of his vetoes were promptly overturned.

Del Dolemonte on January 5, 2014 at 1:13 PM

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