Quotes of the day

posted at 8:31 pm on January 3, 2014 by Allahpundit

Lines out the door and fierce winter weather couldn’t keep folks in Colorado from waiting eagerly for their chance to be among the first to legally purchase recreational marijuana on Wednesday.

Post growers in the state sold pounds of the sticky green drug to hordes of eager users and estimate across-the-board sales at $1 million on the first day the law took effect

‘This feels like freedom at last,’ said Amy Reynolds, owner of two Colorado Springs medical pot shops. Reynolds came to Denver to toast the dawn of pot sales for recreational use. ‘It’s a plant, it’s harmless, and now anyone over 21 can buy it if they want to. Beautiful.’

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[T]he reason to single out marijuana is the simple fact of its current (semi-)illegality. On balance, society will not be better off with another legal mind-altering substance. In particular, our kids will not be better off with another legal mind-altering substance

Please do not argue that Colorado’s law, like those proposed elsewhere, bans sales to those under 21. Ha! I have teenage children. The laws against underage drinking represent more challenge to overcome than barrier to access.

And although alcohol seems to be the teen drug of choice among the adolescents I know, the more widely available marijuana becomes, the more minors will use it. If seniors in fraternities can legally buy pot, more freshmen and sophomores will be smoking more of it.

And it’s not as if the kids need encouragement. By the time they have graduated from high school, nearly half have tried smoking pot; 16.5 percent of eighth-graders have. More alarming, the number who perceive great risk from regular use has been plummeting, from 58 percent to 40 percent among 12th-graders, according to a study funded by the National Institute on Drug Abuse.

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The Internet is on a tear tonight making fun of Brooks. I hate that. It makes talking seriously about this stuff impossible. I don’t have a strong view one way or another about legal pot — though I agree with Brooks’s point quoted here, even as I think substantial decriminalization is probably necessary — but I hate the way many liberals and libertarians are so zealous about the issue, in a way that shuts down deliberation. Somebody on my Twitter feed today said that pot legalization is for the left what guns are for the right: the issue on which there can be no legitimate dissenting position.

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The other thing I notice is something I saw very early on when a whole bunch of pundits realized they had to say something to oppose gay marriage. These people simply don’t know a lot about the subject, do not regard it as serious enough to be better informed, and offer arguments that are so weak or irrelevant to the central question that they are setting themselves up for total failure in this debate…

[W]hat if pot enhances the higher pleasures – like listening to or making music, or appreciating fine wine or great food? And why doesn’t alcohol fit squarely into the same category? Millions of grown adults (not giggly teens) use the drug the way others use alcohol – with far less socially damaging or physically dangerous effect. What David doesn’t do either is address the real issue at hand: the social costs of prohibition versus the social costs of legalization…

The real argument is that the benefits of legalization far outweigh the costs – an argument David simply doesn’t address. I wish he would. I also wish that every pundit who writes about their youthful folly would do us a favor and research the current state of marijuana use and production, examine the far more sophisticated mixtures of CBD and THC, of sativa and indica, that this amazing plant is now grown to produce, and would acknowledge the medical uses of pot, which research is beginning to show are bewilderingly manifold. I wish they would not insult so many of their fellow adults and fellow citizens by arguing that their pleasure of choice is simply a way to be “dumb.” Calling those who disagree with you dumb is not that civil.

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The absence of prohibition is not the presence of government sanction. There are a countless number of perfectly legal activities I may find personally abhorrent—giving money to a major-party politician, driving at the speed limit in the fast lane, rooting for the Boston Red Sox—but keeping them legally permissible is not a case of my values being trampled by the state. If anything, the opposite is true: The more government uses laws to shape behavior, the more it is likely to offend your core values, whatever they may be…

“Healthy societies” don’t throw millions of people into human meat lockers to satisfy the moral urges of social engineers. It is “a bit harder to be the sort of person most of us want to be” after you go to jail for engaging in the same recreational activity as a teenage David Brooks. The “moral ecology” got a whole better on Jan. 1, and will get better still when people stop using the criminal code as a laboratory experiment on their fellow human beings.

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White, middle-class teenagers aren’t the people who suffer the most from marijuana prohibition. That distinction goes to black teenagers—and young men in particular—who are arrested by the hundreds of thousands at a rate that’s wildly disproportionate to their actual use. Despite roughly equal usage rates, notes the American Civil Liberties Union, blacks are almost four times more likely to be arrested for marijuana use than whites.

For a young David Brooks, smoking pot led to a little embarrassment in the classroom. Getting caught would have been unpleasant, but it’s hard to imagine it would have derailed his life chances. You can’t say the same for black teenagers in places like Chicago, New York City, Baltimore, and other cities around the country, where marijuana possession is sure to yield jail time and lost opportunities. Indeed, the stories are endless, from students who lost scholarships and financial aid, to young parents who lost benefits and housing eligibility.

In other words, the problem with Brooks’ column isn’t just the argument—which is flimsy and easily applicable to alcohol, tobacco or any other legal drug—it’s the blindness to injustice. Legalization will come with a lot of problems and complications, but at the least, it won’t be a world where whites receive a broad pass—and blacks, a strict punishment—for using the same substance.

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Anyone who wants to see what a de facto legalization environment looks like can visit an elite college campus, where both the trade and use of marijuana are highly visible, and where those who get caught face the relatively minor sanctions associated with breaking campus rules rather than the lifelong consequences of breaking the law. What we basically have now is a system where marijuana is practically legal for the wealthy and white and illegal for everyone else

As Michelle Alexander notes in her book, The New Jim Crow, the consequences of being convicted of felony marijuana possession can be far more dire than the sentence itself. Former offenders can find themselves deprived of professional or driver’s licenses, educational aid, food stamps, public housing, their right to vote, and they may find themselves fired and unable to find new employment, having been marked by society as little more than a criminal. For blacks caught up in the system it can compound the already considerable effects of ongoing racial discrimination…

There are degrees of decriminalization between marijuana prohibition and legalization–and people can argue how far the government should go. What’s clear is that under the current system, the wealthy and connected are almost entirely shielded from the consequences of marijuana being illegal, while the poor and non-white face catastrophe for engaging in the same behavior.

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[N]one of the people I’ve smoked with, in D.C. at least, have found it impeded their work any more than a bit of heavy drinking would. As a habit, it’s somewhat less dangerous than heavy drinking, as it neuters the violent instinct, is hard to overindulge on, and isn’t as fun to ingest. (Your choice: Suck on a wet roll of paper full of vegetation in your friend’s bedroom, or knock back an aged and aerated red wine across the table from a date?)

I could go on embarrassingly about the benefits of the practice, and all the good it does for the bass run on “Heart of the Sunrise,” but all that really matters is that people shouldn’t have their lives ruined if they want to find this out. There’s already a first-order danger of wasting time or embarrassing yourself from experimenting with any drug, legal or otherwise. The prohibitionists are defending the enforcement of a second-order danger, the complete elimination of a person as a productive member of society. Marcus worries “that the number who perceive great risk from regular use has been plummeting, from 58 percent to 40 percent among 12th-graders.” Why wouldn’t it plummet? The greatest risk is from arrest, not from use—and anytime you use something that’s supposed to ruin your life, but doesn’t, won’t you naturally mistrust the nannies who warned you against it?

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Bishop puffs tuff…

JohnGalt23 on January 3, 2014 at 8:32 PM

‘It’s a plant, it’s harmless, and now anyone over 21 can buy it if they want to. Beautiful.’

If it really is a nothing more than a harmless plant why do you have to be over 21 to buy it?

We know that calling pot a harmless plant is absurd. It is the kind of political nonsense that defeats any legitimate discussion about societal use of pot.

Happy Nomad on January 3, 2014 at 8:35 PM

Sweet Leaf
**** ****

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3YtvuZ2-I0

canopfor on January 3, 2014 at 8:35 PM

Tom Petty And The Heartbreakers – Mary Jane’s Last Dance
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aowSGxim_O8

canopfor on January 3, 2014 at 8:36 PM

[N]one of the people I’ve smoked with, in D.C. at least, have found it impeded their work any more than a bit of heavy drinking would. As a habit, it’s somewhat less dangerous than heavy drinking, as it neuters the violent instinct, is hard to overindulge on, and isn’t as fun to ingest.

How many stoners do you suppose decline all alchohol while they are making chemical changes to their brain through pot? In short, now, Colorado is going to have drunk and stoned drivers on the road. What could possibly go wrong?

Happy Nomad on January 3, 2014 at 8:38 PM

My poor sister Merrilee is not doing well at all. Please continue to pray for her and Tom…

OmahaConservative on January 3, 2014 at 8:38 PM

In short, now, Colorado is going to have drunk and stoned drivers on the road.

As opposed to what, when? (And I’ve got 10 years experience on Colorado roadways.)

Jeddite on January 3, 2014 at 8:40 PM

That guy, going 20MPH westbound down the mountain after the Eisenhower Tunnel? HE MIGHT JUST BE STONED.

Jeddite on January 3, 2014 at 8:42 PM

How many stoners do you suppose decline all alchohol while they are making chemical changes to their brain through pot? In short, now, Colorado is going to have drunk and stoned drivers on the road. What could possibly go wrong?

Happy Nomad on January 3, 2014 at 8:38 PM

Happy Nomad:

More traffic at the fast food places,er , establishments!!

canopfor on January 3, 2014 at 8:42 PM

lol nice tune canopfor!

Murphy9 on January 3, 2014 at 8:44 PM

…did JugEars grow a beard?

KOOLAID2 on January 3, 2014 at 8:44 PM

littering and…

littering and…

littering and…

Murphy9 on January 3, 2014 at 8:46 PM

My poor sister Merrilee is not doing well at all. Please continue to pray for her and Tom…

OmahaConservative on January 3, 2014 at 8:38 PM

…will do OC…and for you…to be a source of strength.

KOOLAID2 on January 3, 2014 at 8:47 PM

Sooooooooooooooooooo many Changes,..it could be worse’er..,

…..like:
———–

Marine Corps

Hagel Names Woman As Next Marine Commandant
By G-Had | January 2, 2014
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QUANTICO, VA —

She’s been in combat,

she wants to radically reorganize the Marine Corps,

and she thinks male Marines need to stop whining and put their big girl panties on.

This week we sat down for a one-on-one interview with Gen. Isabella Santiago,

who sources at the Pentagon say is poised to become the Marine Corps’ first-ever woman commandant.

We started by asking Santiago if she thinks the Marine Corps is ready to be led by a woman, given the blatant hostility expressed by many male Marines towards the idea of women in the infantry.

She paused to spit out another wad of dip into the Gatorade bottle on her desk,

then responded, “Eat a bowl of unwashed d****.”
(MORE………………………)
=================================

http://www.duffelblog.com/2014/01/woman-commandant/

canopfor on January 3, 2014 at 8:53 PM

My poor sister Merrilee is not doing well at all. Please continue to pray for her and Tom…

OmahaConservative on January 3, 2014 at 8:38 PM

…will do OC…and for you…to be a source of strength.

KOOLAID2 on January 3, 2014 at 8:47 PM

What a great way of saying it KA2.

Dittoes from me!

Happy Nomad on January 3, 2014 at 8:55 PM

‘This feels like freedom at last,’ said Amy Reynolds, owner of two Colorado Springs medical pot shops. Reynolds came to Denver to toast the dawn of pot sales for recreational use. ‘It’s a plant, it’s harmless, and now anyone over 21 can buy it if they want to. Beautiful.’

Let me know when you enlightened types feel the same way about tobacco.

There’s no nicotine in tobacco (the THC takes its place), but pot has about twice the tars of the roughest shag.

So if these “good, sensitive, caring” people now have the “freedom” to shorten their annoying existences with emphysema, lung cancer, etc., I say… go for it.

Not my problem. As my mother always said, “Everybody takes his own hide to the tanner.”

(BTW, I don’t smoke anything, and never have.)

(OC; I’m still thinking of you and Merrilee. Stay strong.)

clear ether

eon

eon on January 3, 2014 at 8:55 PM

littering and…

littering and…

littering and…

Murphy9 on January 3, 2014 at 8:46 PM

Murphy9:

My thoughts exactly,..all smacked up,..going to drive-through
after drive through,…oh and talk about a EPA Concern on upchucking
too,….

….jus say’n!!:)

canopfor on January 3, 2014 at 8:56 PM

2014: the year the left caught up with the fact that David Brooks is an idiot.

HellCat on January 3, 2014 at 8:58 PM

Still illegal at the Federal level. Another case of Obama’s lawlessness not having the Justice Department shut this down with a hardcore lockdown?

What would Zero do if a state suddenly declare ZeroCare void ?

Hmm…

Who is John Galt on January 3, 2014 at 8:59 PM

Three DUI’ usually fs up your military career. But what the hell might as well kiss the corps goodbye.

Murphy9 on January 3, 2014 at 9:00 PM

My poor sister Merrilee is not doing well at all. Please continue to pray for her and Tom…

OmahaConservative on January 3, 2014 at 8:38 PM

It’s never right when life goes out of natural order. No one should have to bury a child, no matter what the age. Sincere sympathies, OC. Will pray for you, your family and especially your sister.

Fallon on January 3, 2014 at 9:00 PM

As I said in the headline thread:

I’m not really thrilled with all the hype surrounding CO & pot, but I still have too call bs on the idea that legal pot will lead to an increase in use.

Chiefly it’s because once pot becomes legal, those who point out the dangers of pot are going to get a lot more traction, because it won’t be so cool anymore, and the downsides suddenly will be paid attention to. But keep it bottled up, and there is instead the shadowy appealing “lure of the illicit.” Maybe at first legalization would lead to a burst of overhype and initial overuse, but then there would be a steady decline in use as both kids and adults realize that the stuff (pot) is overrated, if not outright harmful.

anotherJoe on January 3, 2014 at 9:00 PM

…will do OC…and for you…to be a source of strength.

KOOLAID2 on January 3, 2014 at 8:47 PM

Thank you my brother for the wisdom. Blessings…

OmahaConservative on January 3, 2014 at 9:02 PM

My poor sister Merrilee is not doing well at all. Please continue to pray for her and Tom…

OmahaConservative on January 3, 2014 at 8:38 PM

…will do OC…and for you…to be a source of strength.

KOOLAID2 on January 3, 2014 at 8:47 PM

What a great way of saying it KA2.

Dittoes from me!

Happy Nomad on January 3, 2014 at 8:55 PM

Happy Nomad:I’ll chime in too,…Mega-Dittos as well OC:)

canopfor on January 3, 2014 at 9:02 PM

Lines out the door and fierce winter weather couldn’t keep folks in Colorado from waiting eagerly for their chance to be among the first to legally purchase recreational marijuana on Wednesday.

Lot of trouble to go to to get something that’s 90% placebo.

VorDaj on January 3, 2014 at 9:04 PM

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canopfor on January 3, 2014 at 9:04 PM

Happy Nomad:

More traffic at the fast food places,er , establishments!!

canopfor on January 3, 2014 at 8:42 PM

It will be fun to watch once the drive-thrus go with automated ordering in lieu of absurd minimum wages.

Happy Nomad on January 3, 2014 at 9:06 PM

Three lessons for Colorado from Dutch cannabis policy

By Erik Voeten
January 3 at 1:19 pm
*************************

1. Legalization does not necessarily mean increased usage.

2. Colorado and Washington (and perhaps a few others) may well remain the outlier states for some time.

There is a general perception that other states will follow swiftly once Colorado (and Washington) have successfully legalized.

As Ruth Marcus puts it:

(ALLAHP Linky above, or,..)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ruth-marcus-the-perils-of-legalized-pot/2014/01/02/068cee6e-73e9-11e3-8b3f-b1666705ca3b_story.html?tid=pm_pop

3. Once legalization has been in place, it will be hard to change.

The various nuisances associated with the Dutch coffee shops have led local and national politicians to propose a variety of changes to make it more difficult to sell marijuana to foreigners. This has proven to be very difficult, albeit not totally unsuccessful. There are two key reasons for this.
(More…)
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2014/01/03/three-lessons-for-colorado-from-dutch-cannabis-policy/

canopfor on January 3, 2014 at 9:10 PM

Let me know when you enlightened types feel the same way about tobacco.

eon on January 3, 2014 at 8:55 PM

Yeah, somebody brought that up on local talk radio this morning. The people high-fiving (pun intended) each other over pot are the same people who react as if you are clubbing a baby seal if you light up a cigar. It’s more than hypocrisy it is lunacy. Smoking tobacco is bad but smoking pot is good? Aren’t you still smoking? And do they even make a filtered joint?

Happy Nomad on January 3, 2014 at 9:10 PM

…legal weed contributes to us being a fatter, dumber, sleepier nation even less able to compete with the Chinese.

I cant believe that Im actually agreeing with Tina Brown.

Valkyriepundit on January 3, 2014 at 9:11 PM

My poor sister Merrilee is not doing well at all. Please continue to pray for her and Tom…

OmahaConservative on January 3, 2014 at 8:38 PM

So sorry OC..prayers your way to her and family. Keep your faith strong.

Mimzey on January 3, 2014 at 9:12 PM

why is Amsterdam encouraging their “coffee” shops to move to front industrial parts of town I wonder?

Murphy9 on January 3, 2014 at 9:12 PM

canopfor on January 3, 2014 at 8:42 PM

It will be fun to watch once the drive-thrus go with automated ordering in lieu of absurd minimum wages.

Happy Nomad on January 3, 2014 at 9:06 PM

Happy Nomad:Yup, and LiveLeak/You-Tube videos here we come!:)

canopfor on January 3, 2014 at 9:12 PM

anotherJoe on January 3, 2014 at 9:00 PM

I prefer the illegal but not “criminalized” approach to your garden variety stoner. It keeps stoners lounging around their mom’s basements and not in designated smoking areas in public.

I don’t care if somebody is so goddamned stupid as to use pot but it still is illegal for federal employment. How many people are apt to come up positive on drug testing for merely being around stoners? And if you make it legal then younger and younger children will become addicted to what is a gateway drug. This was a very stupid thing that Colorado did. Almost as stupid as the gun-grabbing attempt.

Happy Nomad on January 3, 2014 at 9:16 PM

Colorado is now an experiment in mental health.
So much hyperbole on both ends of this subject that it is hard to predict what the consequences will be.
I have seen first hand that it is a trigger for schizophrenia but supposedly that is for people predisposed toward the illness.
Also observed first hand that overindulgence makes teenagers stupid.
It will be interesting to review the data in five years.
At least I won’t have to hear stoners ague what great paper Hemp makes any more.

notalemon on January 3, 2014 at 9:16 PM

The real argument is that the benefits of legalization far outweigh the costs…

No, the real argument is we don’t want a gd massive police and prison and snooping state to try to control what people are going to do anyways.

Yeah, the costs of the drug war are huge, and the benefits are arguably non-existent and even negative (as evidence suggests that more people use drugs that are made illegal: look at Portugal where decriminalization has led to a decrease in drug use & addiction), but don’t cost / benefit it to death. There’s something called freedom and keeping the size and power of the monolithic govt down. The drug war is the most insane thing that has been going on for friggin decades with the only result being SWAT teams running rampant and millions of people put in prison not for violence against us but for something they elected to do to themselves. It’s not our bother, other than to educate them about their choice. Yes, if they drive or operate machinery when they shouldn’t, just like alcohol, that’s a crime. And yes, alcohol is unquestionably much more damaging to society than pot. So, do we ban everything? A second Prohibition? Let people decide for themselves what they do in the privacy of their own homes.

anotherJoe on January 3, 2014 at 9:17 PM

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canopfor on January 3, 2014 at 9:18 PM

I cant believe that Im actually agreeing with Tina Brown.

Valkyriepundit on January 3, 2014 at 9:11 PM

Maybe, in this one case, Tina Brown is agreeing with you. :0

Happy Nomad on January 3, 2014 at 9:18 PM

This really doesn’t have to be a big deal. If you are opposed to marijuana you won’t be required to smoke it. The average person encounters more high functioning users than the stoner stereotype SoCons and nanny statists bemoan. A large portion of users are professionals whom few would ever suspect. These people have always been around us and devastation hasn’t washed over the land.

The only real difference is there is one less reason to lock up people that others disagree with

phadedjaded on January 3, 2014 at 9:19 PM

Local talk show intel- the cheapest price is $55/ 1/8 oz. You can get a 1/4 oz on the street for $20.

Tax free.

wolly4321 on January 3, 2014 at 9:19 PM

I’ve always been more or less sick of potheads and their obsession with their escape from reality and the lifestyles that most of them have.

In the interest of true Libertarianism, I realize it’s not my place to tell them how to live their life or endorse a prohibition on their drug of choice.

Also in the same spirit of Libertarianism, I want to make it clear that I don’t want this stuff in my house, or in my place of business and I will drug test all my employees. Positive results are grounds for immediate dismissal, and when out in public, don’t get in a car and drive and don’t blow that chit in my face or push it on my children.

Aside from that, have fun or whatever. Just because I tolerate something doesn’t mean I endorse or celebrate it.

Corporal Tunnel on January 3, 2014 at 9:20 PM

Local talk show intel- the cheapest price is $55/ 1/8 oz. You can get a 1/4 oz on the street for $20.

Tax free.

wolly4321 on January 3, 2014 at 9:19 PM

yep. If I still smoked pot I’d buy it off the street…

OmahaConservative on January 3, 2014 at 9:21 PM

I have no problem with legalizing pot, but this is the wrong way to go about it.

Neither states nor Presidents should be able to nullify federal laws with which they disagree. That is for Congress. Marijuana is a Schedule I controlled substance now, although it should not be considered the same as heroin, cocaine, or amphetimines.

The sane thing to do is for Congress to remove it from that list. Easy enough, and then states can do as they wish without damaging the integrity of the legal structure.

Adjoran on January 3, 2014 at 9:21 PM

There’s something called freedom and keeping the size and power of the monolithic govt down.

anotherJoe on January 3, 2014 at 9:17 PM

If you believe that you will keep a free society with a citizenry of dumbed down, doped out layabouts, you might as well be smoking pot right now.

Valkyriepundit on January 3, 2014 at 9:23 PM

And to a previous comment…

“How many people will come up positive in drug tests for being around smokers?”

The answer: nobody.

I’m not sure about Colorado but in Washington you can’t smoke in public or in smoking areas. It is like alcohol except there aren’t bars you can smoke at.

phadedjaded on January 3, 2014 at 9:23 PM

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canopfor on January 3, 2014 at 9:24 PM

yep. If I still smoked pot I’d buy it off the street…

OmahaConservative on January 3, 2014 at 9:21 PM

That brings up an interesting point. Now that pot is legal, will Colorado officials actually prosecute black-market producers that they previously ignored?

IMO, Colorado and Washington State really don’t know what problems they created by legalizing pot this way.

Happy Nomad on January 3, 2014 at 9:26 PM

Dispensaries near
Colorado Springs, Colorado

canopfor on January 3, 2014 at 9:24 PM

Why are they calling them dispensaries if pot is nothing more than a harmless plant? I don’t know the ABC rules in Colorado but if you can get booze without going to a state store why should you have to go to a place that only sells pot? Why can’t you buy it at the local convenience store?

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canopfor on January 3, 2014 at 9:31 PM

I smoked it when I was younger. Once in a blue moon, later in life.

Either way I look at the debate, I don’t want the gubmint running it as a money making scheme.

You want to legalize usage? Fine. You can grow your own. Can’t buy or sell. No money involved.

The gubmint would never do that, and everyone knows why.

It’s just another tax.

wolly4321 on January 3, 2014 at 9:31 PM

canopfor on January 3, 2014 at 9:24 PM

Why are they calling them dispensaries if pot is nothing more than a harmless plant? I don’t know the ABC rules in Colorado but if you can get booze without going to a state store why should you have to go to a place that only sells pot? Why can’t you buy it at the local convenience store?

Happy Nomad on January 3, 2014 at 9:28 PM

Happy Nomad:

“Dispensaries”,…sounds more user freindly, ..*Wink-Wink*,

as opposed to,..hey Ma,..I’m going to the Pot Store!!:)

canopfor on January 3, 2014 at 9:33 PM

t brings up an interesting point. Now that pot is legal, will Colorado officials actually prosecute black-market producers that they previously ignored? IMO, Colorado and Washington State really don’t know what problems they created by legalizing pot this way. Happy Nomad on January 3, 2014 at 9:26 PM

Yes. They are now tax evaders.

wolly4321 on January 3, 2014 at 9:36 PM

Quenelle:

More than a Gesture Behind Euro Jew-Hate

Most of us may not have heard of it until recently, but the quenelle, the name given to a hand gesture that is a downward facing Nazi salute, has become an important symbol of the shift in European culture in recent years. Created by Dieudonné M’Bala M’Bala, an anti-Semitic French comedian, the quenelle is now all the rage in France. Soccer players do it after scoring goals and the comic’s fans, including soldiers, send him pictures in which it is performed in every conceivable manner especially at sites like Holocaust memorials, synagogues and schools.

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2014/01/03/more-than-a-gesture-behind-euro-jew-hate/

davidk on January 3, 2014 at 9:36 PM

According to the National Institute on Drug Abuse, the main effects of
marijuana on mood vary and may include euphoria, calmness, anxiety, or
paranoia. Getting high or “stoned” is the reason most pot smokers use
marijuana.
Other short-term psychological effects of pot include:
Distorted sense of time
Paranoia
Magical or “random” thinking
Short-term memory loss
Anxiety and depression

Heavy marijuana use lowers men’s testosterone levels and sperm count
and quality. Pot could decrease libido and fertility in some heavy-smoking
men.

webmd

Murphy9 on January 3, 2014 at 9:37 PM

Some say pot is not completely harmless. Ban pot then. And alcohol. Sodas are bad too, they say. Ban it then. Most doctors think beef is bad. Ban beef. And the fat and sugar in ice cream and cheesecakes is causing millions of deaths a year. Can we say… ban. It’s not about freedom of choice, because the people aren’t smart enough to make there own choices. Freedom from choice is what we want. Seriously, alcohol causes a lot of death and illness. Ban it.

Ok, that last paragraph was sarcastic. And I actually think pot is dangerous, but I also think that once it’s fully legal, the “lure of the illicit” will fade, and people will start to actually pay attention to the dangers of pot, instead of just always saying how harmless pot is in an effort to promote legalization. Yes, it should be legalized, but it’s dangerous, sometimes anyways, or for some people. Get the discussion out in the open, and let people decide freely whether they want to be recreational users, or stoners, or get treatment if they can’t help themselves, just like they do for alcohol. As far as alcohol, pot doesn’t seem to do anything all that bad (at least in a quick analysis), but, on the other hand, alcohol causes cirrhosis, hepatocellular carcinoma, portal venous hypertension, hepatorenal syndrome, DT’s, seizures, esophageal varices, hemorrhoids, Werknicke’s encephalopathy, psychosis, gastritis, loss of inhibition crimes, pancreatitis, MVA’s, thrombocytopenia, not do mentions scores of thousands of DUI caused deaths. With pot, if you don’t want to “get high” then don’t smoke it. I don’t.

anotherJoe on January 3, 2014 at 9:37 PM

Educators way in?????:
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http://www.ednewscolorado.org/

Some high school coaches are concerned new pot laws will lead to more smoking among high school athletes, despite it still being illegal for those under 21 to consume marijuana. YahooNews.

http://www.ednewscolorado.org/rise-and-shine/rise-shine-some-coaches-fear-high-school-sports-could-go-to-pot

canopfor on January 3, 2014 at 9:38 PM

Some say pot is not completely harmless. Ban pot then. And alcohol. Sodas are bad too, they say…….

anotherJoe on January 3, 2014 at 9:37 PM

Interesting…
Schools are finding more garbage cans full of food since Moochelle campaigned on healthier foods in the cafeterias…

But if we allow school kids to smoke pot….

Hmmmmm

Electrongod on January 3, 2014 at 9:42 PM

“Dispensaries”,…sounds more user freindly, ..*Wink-Wink*,

as opposed to,..hey Ma,..I’m going to the Pot Store!!:)

canopfor on January 3, 2014 at 9:33 PM

If somebody in the Nomad family is going to the pot store, it damned well better be Williams-Sonoma.

Why object to the term dispensaries is that it implies that there is some health-related reason why people are smoking pot. It’s the same facade that there is such a thing as medicinal pot. And make no mistake that the veteran “suffering from PTSD” was the featured first buyer and not some stoner still living at home with the mental aquity of a cucumber.

Happy Nomad on January 3, 2014 at 9:45 PM

Educators way in?????:

UghaRoo: Thats weigh in,…not way in!

canopfor on January 3, 2014 at 9:45 PM

In 1925, H. L. Mencken wrote an impassioned plea: “Prohibition has not only failed in its promises but actually created additional serious and disturbing social problems throughout society. There is not less drunkenness in the Republic but more. There is not less crime, but more. … The cost of government is not smaller, but vastly greater. Respect for law has not increased, but diminished.” Drug prohibition and alcohol prohibition share many parallels. And now, we can’t even keep drugs out of prison. That really should have been our first clue that the drug war is unwinnable. And the *big* donors against legalization efforts: alcohol companies!

Compassion demands that we do everything in our power to protect children from drugs, the ravages of drug dealers, and drug-related crimes. But drug prohibition has the opposite effect, exposing children to turf wars, gang violence, and access to drugs.

Decriminalization is not enough. Full legalization and regulation like alcohol is the best policy. In fact the Netherlands have recently passed laws that inadvertently drove the soft drug trade, including marijuana, underground and not surprisingly they have seen an increase in crime. CO may follow in the Netherlands’ footsteps if they put too many taxes and regulations on it.

anotherJoe on January 3, 2014 at 9:46 PM

Sweet Leaf
**** ****

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3YtvuZ2-I0

canopfor on January 3, 2014 at 8:35 PM

Nice choice … the first friend I had in Canada had that album.

gh on January 3, 2014 at 9:46 PM

Other short-term psychological effects of pot include:
Distorted sense of time
Paranoia
Magical or “random” thinking
Short-term memory loss
Anxiety and depression

Heavy marijuana use lowers men’s testosterone levels and sperm count and quality. Pot could decrease libido and fertility in some heavy-smoking men.

Murphy9 on January 3, 2014 at 9:37 PM

Yeah, just like beer! /

Happy Nomad on January 3, 2014 at 9:46 PM

I guess I have a hard time time taking it seriously when 50 miles South of me it pours in measured in tonnage.

That, and I grew up near Southern PA in the 70′s..

Row of corn. Row of corn, row of corn, row of dope…

wolly4321 on January 3, 2014 at 9:50 PM

canopfor on January 3, 2014 at 9:33 PM

If somebody in the Nomad family is going to the pot store, it damned well better be Williams-Sonoma.

Why object to the term dispensaries is that it implies that there is some health-related reason why people are smoking pot. It’s the same facade that there is such a thing as medicinal pot. And make no mistake that the veteran “suffering from PTSD” was the featured first buyer and not some stoner still living at home with the mental aquity of a cucumber.

Happy Nomad on January 3, 2014 at 9:45 PM

Happy Nomad:

Ugh,you had to mention families, and yes I see your point on
(health-related)!
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Colorado MMJ ‏@MMJ_Connections 9h

NC family considers moving to Colorado for medical marijuana to help son – http://myfox8.com – Colorado MMJ:… http://tmblr.co/Zl010y139TqED
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NC family considers moving to Colorado for medical marijuana to help son

Posted on: 9:31 am, January 3, 2014, by Web Staff, updated on: 01:03pm, January 3, 2014
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The 4-year-old boy has a brain malformation and severe epilepsy. Now, his mother’s hoping for another treatment option, still not legal in the Carolinas: medical marijuana.

For children with medical issues, the drug is liquid and taken orally, not smoked. It’s a form low in THC, the component of marijuana that’s psychoactive, and high in CBD, which has medical qualities.

“It’s not what you think. It’s not high school kids going to get high,” Wingate said.

U.S Rep Walter Jones, a North Carolina Republican, said he wants to help children who are suffering.

In a statement to Eyewitness News, Jones said, “Over the past months, I have been approached by several North Carolinian parents of children with terminal brain cancer, extreme epileptic seizures, and other life-threatening illnesses who have exhausted all available medical options to provide relief for their suffering kids.(More…………………..)
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http://myfox8.com/2014/01/03/nc-family-considers-moving-to-colorado-for-medical-marijuana-to-help-son/

canopfor on January 3, 2014 at 9:52 PM

I smoke two joints in the morning, I smoke two joints at night
I smoke two joints in the afternoon, it makes me feel alright
I smoke two joints in time of peace, and two in time of war
I smoke two joints before I smoke two joints, and then I smoke two more
Oh, my daddy he once told me, “Son, you be hard working man”
My mama she once told me, “Son, you do the best you can”
But then one day I met a man who came to me and said
“Hard work good and hard work fine, but first take care of head”
So now,
I smoke two joints when I get up, in the car I smoke two joints
I smoke two joints when I play video game?And at every ten thousand points
(I smoke two joints)
I smoke two joints in time of peace, and two in time of war
I smoke two joints before I smoke two joints, and then I smoke two more
Oh, my daddy he once told me, “Son, you be hard working man”
My mama she once told me, “Son, you do the best you can”
But then one day I met a man who came to me and said
“Hard work good and hard work fine, but first take care of head”
I smoke two joints in the morning, I smoke two joints at night
I smoke two joints in the afternoon, it makes me feel alright
I smoke two joints in time of peace, and two in time of war
I smoke two joints before I smoke two joints, and then I smoke two more
SMOKE TWO JOINTS
That’s what I do
SMOKE TWO JOINTS
Come and smoke two joints with me in the morning
SMOKE TWO JOINTS
Come and smoke two joints with me in the afternoon, yeah
SMOKE TWO JOINTS
Hey, would you rather smoke two joints or would you rather do your
homework?
SMOKE TWO JOINTS
I knew you were going to say that!
SMOKE TWO JOINTS
SMOKE TWO JOINTS
That’s what I do!
SMOKE TWO JOINTS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UUPY902Ph0

Murphy9 on January 3, 2014 at 9:53 PM

This really doesn’t have to be a big deal. If you are opposed to marijuana you won’t be required to smoke it. The average person encounters more high functioning users than the stoner stereotype SoCons and nanny statists bemoan. A large portion of users are professionals whom few would ever suspect. These people have always been around us and devastation hasn’t washed over the land.

The only real difference is there is one less reason to lock up people that others disagree with

phadedjaded on January 3, 2014 at 9:19 PM

damn socons

(Where do these people come from?)

davidk on January 3, 2014 at 9:54 PM

canopfor on January 3, 2014 at 9:52 PM

As soon as I can scrape together the coin, I want to go to CO and see if some smoke will help alleviate my wife’s pain.

davidk on January 3, 2014 at 9:55 PM

Heavy marijuana use lowers men’s testosterone levels and sperm count and quality. Pot could decrease libido and fertility in some heavy-smoking men.

Murphy9 on January 3, 2014 at 9:37 PM

Murphy9:

(Sarc),…..and the women are lining up for these male types, haha,..ahem!!!

canopfor on January 3, 2014 at 9:56 PM

nice choice … the first friend I had in Canada had that album. gh on January 3, 2014 at 9:46 PM

I went to the concert in 1968.

Was born a month later.

wolly4321 on January 3, 2014 at 9:56 PM

nice choice … the first friend I had in Canada had that album. gh on January 3, 2014 at 9:46 PM

I went to the concert in 1968.

Was born a month later.

wolly4321 on January 3, 2014 at 9:56 PM

Dude, I remember that.

davidk on January 3, 2014 at 9:58 PM

Really hoping NC will be the next state to legalize, or at least learn something from this lesson in freedom.

Panther on January 3, 2014 at 9:59 PM

We’ve gone from a potus spraying paraquat to a potus spraying miracle grow.

wolly4321 on January 3, 2014 at 10:02 PM

They come in threes they say, (Death that is??):

Academy Awards
4m
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Producer Saul Zaentz, who won an Oscar for ‘One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest,’ reportedly dies at 92 – @Variety
read more on variety.com
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canopfor on January 3, 2014 at 10:04 PM

If pot should be illegal alcohol should be illegal too. Alcohol is a much more dangerous and harmful drug than marijuana.

iceman1960 on January 3, 2014 at 10:05 PM

Scratch that,..make it FOUR:
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The Associated Press ‏@AP 3m

Alica Rhett, the oldest surviving cast member of ‘Gone With the Wind,’ dies at 98 in South Carolina: http://apne.ws/JPnP9x

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/gone-wind-actress-dies-98
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https://twitter.com/AP

canopfor on January 3, 2014 at 10:06 PM

Dude, I remember that. davidk on January 3, 2014 at 9:58 PM

O_o.

My mom & dad went to the concert when she was 8 months preggo with me.

wolly4321 on January 3, 2014 at 10:07 PM

Nice choice … the first friend I had in Canada had that album.

gh on January 3, 2014 at 9:46 PM

gh:

Got that album for Christmas.

My Dad called it Protest music,…and my younger sister,
around 5, decide to slide it across the floor,.scratched
and skipped, ..dang it!:)

canopfor on January 3, 2014 at 10:10 PM

The only real difference is there is one less reason to lock up people that others disagree with

phadedjaded on January 3, 2014 at 9:19 PM

and gives the police less property they can seize ….

I dont smoke anything and never have … hold a TS clearance
and have for almost 30 years ….
so I do not have a dog in this fight….

I do not care if someone wants to get high….
when you endanger other ppl when you commit a crime
you pay the consequences …. do they have a good moble method
of testing for THC for drivers under the influance?

conservative tarheel on January 3, 2014 at 10:10 PM

Other short-term psychological effects of pot include:
Distorted sense of time
Paranoia
Magical or “random” thinking
Short-term memory loss
Anxiety and depression

IOW, it makes progressives feel exactly the way they do all the time, except when they’re feeling exhilarated over having successfully f**ked everybody else. So, why are they so anxious to spend money on something their mental disorder gives them for free?

Heavy marijuana use lowers men’s testosterone levels and sperm count and quality. Pot could decrease libido and fertility in some heavy-smoking men.

Murphy9 on January 3, 2014 at 9:37 PM

Feminists rejoice.

So do I. Less fertile progressive-type men, fewer idiots in the next generation.

Stupidity is always a terminal disease. The only indeterminate factor is exactly when it calls “time” on the ones afflicted with it.

‘Night, all.

clear ether

eon

eon on January 3, 2014 at 10:11 PM

canopfor on January 3, 2014 at 9:52 PM

As soon as I can scrape together the coin, I want to go to CO and see if some smoke will help alleviate my wife’s pain.

davidk on January 3, 2014 at 9:55 PM

davidk: I posted the Pot Stores above, and they have there prices
up as well!:)

canopfor on January 3, 2014 at 10:12 PM

canopfor on January 3, 2014 at 9:52 PM

Your post confuses me.

NC family considers moving to Colorado for medical marijuana to help son

A lot of states have medical marijuana laws. Maybe not NC but medical pot is different than retail pot. You can’t go into one of these newly legalized “dispensaries” in CO and order from the children’s menu.

Personally, I have no problem with delivering the effects of pot for medical reasons. But all too often the states’ medicinal pot programs were just a sham way for stoners to get product. If needed for medical conditions, smoking pot is about the least efficient way of delivering relief and yet other delivery methods are openly attacked by the same people who claim that pot has medicinal uses. IMO, there just isn’t enough evidence to prove the scientific claims made by proponents of medical pot.

And before you completely scoff, remember this. In the 1980s, families were moving to Mexico because their cancer-ridden children needed laetrile.

Happy Nomad on January 3, 2014 at 10:13 PM

Played it on a big’ol Magnavox behemoth record player that was furniture..

And 8-tracks.

wolly4321 on January 3, 2014 at 10:15 PM

IOW, it makes progressives feel exactly the way they do all the time, except when they’re feeling exhilarated over having successfully f**ked everybody else. So, why are they so anxious to spend money on something their mental disorder gives them for free?

Eon on January 3, 2014 at 10:11 PM

It’s enough to make them want to put on the flannel onesie, brew up some hot chocolate, and talk Obamacare.

Happy Nomad on January 3, 2014 at 10:17 PM

Welp, I guess we really DO deserve Barack Hussein Obama.

Cleombrotus on January 3, 2014 at 10:17 PM

I’m just wondering what the excuse is going to be when the uptick in fatal accidents starts becoming hard to downplay.

“Statistically, it’s on average with previous years…”

Most likely.

Which will be great irony, considering a lot of these are the same people bemoaning gun violence with the argument that if guns went away, the victims wouldn’t have been.

I feel terrible for the next wave of collateral damage, because stoners will be too stoned to feel anything for them.

budfox on January 3, 2014 at 10:18 PM

s soon as I can scrape together the coin, I want to go to CO and see if some smoke will help alleviate my wife’s pain. davidk on January 3, 2014 at 9:55 PM

Coming from where? (roughly)

If you don’t mind me asking. Just the State.

wolly4321 on January 3, 2014 at 10:20 PM

canopfor on January 3, 2014 at 10:10 PM

How was the ice storm? I had no internet from Monday to Saturday. Rogers was out. Had power though so I can’t complain too much.

gh on January 3, 2014 at 10:21 PM

canopfor on January 3, 2014 at 9:52 PM

Your post confuses me.

Happy Nomad on January 3, 2014 at 10:13 PM

Happy Nomad:

You mentioned,..family, and I stumbled on a family
that said it may move, to get help for there son!:)

canopfor on January 3, 2014 at 10:23 PM

The only things that need to be banned are a president who lies, his media enablers/fellow travelers, vibrators made in China, and tofu turkeys. Have I missed anything?

TXUS on January 3, 2014 at 10:23 PM

Here is a great and informative video on cannabis. Don’t believe the fear mongers, cannabis is a natural growing substance that’s a gift from God to mankind. Even George Washington and Thomas Jefferson grew it,

Legalize Nature!!!!’

http://youtu.be/bwc9pBSsr7k

antifederalist on January 3, 2014 at 10:26 PM

canopfor on January 3, 2014 at 10:10 PM

How was the ice storm? I had no internet from Monday to Saturday. Rogers was out. Had power though so I can’t complain too much.

gh on January 3, 2014 at 10:21 PM

gh:
=====


No internet, now that sucks. Were lucky, were in around -20,
hardly any snow!

Heres the GOES 13 Sat of North America, Now:

http://goes.gsfc.nasa.gov/

http://goes.gsfc.nasa.gov/goescolor/goeseast/overview2/color_lrg/latestfull.jpg

And,..earlier:
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This composite image of the US reveals massive winter storm blanketing the Eastern seaboard http://go.nasa.gov/19SxAxQ pic.twitter.com/YiYFdpfUcQ

https://twitter.com/NASA/status/419140011519250432/photo/1/large

canopfor on January 3, 2014 at 10:30 PM

antifederalist on January 3, 2014 at 10:26 PM

Without watching it,, they weren’t smoking rope.

Sativa..

wolly4321 on January 3, 2014 at 10:30 PM

The death angel mushroom is a naturally growing thing as well, but you won’t find any on my fungo pesto crostini .

Murphy9 on January 3, 2014 at 10:33 PM

The only things that need to be banned are a president who lies, his media enablers/fellow travelers, vibrators made in China, and tofu turkeys. Have I missed anything?

TXUS on January 3, 2014 at 10:23 PM

Yes, Obamacare.

Happy Nomad on January 3, 2014 at 10:33 PM

There’s no nicotine in tobacco (the THC takes its place), but pot has about twice the tars of the roughest shag.

Couple of things:

1. You can eat marijuana, no carcinogens.
2. You can vaporize marijuana, all but eliminating the carcinogens
3. Since normally 3-4 people can share a joint that is smaller and less densely packed than the average corporate cigarette, how on earth can you compare the carcinogens between cigs and pot as if its a 1:1 ratio in terms of consumption.

libfreeordie on January 3, 2014 at 10:35 PM

Pot could decrease libido and fertility in some heavy-smoking men.

Murphy9 on January 3, 2014 at 9:37 PM

Anyone who has gotten stoned with their girlfriend/boyfriend/spouse knows how stupid Murphy9 sounds….

libfreeordie on January 3, 2014 at 10:37 PM

Even George Washington and Thomas Jefferson grew it,

antifederalist on January 3, 2014 at 10:26 PM

Oh Please! Washington and Jefferson were “farmers” who grew hemp for its practical uses. You make it sound as if Jefferson was penning the Declaration of Independence in such a way the orginal draft included marked out portions like this…..

When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, speaking of connections, have you ever looked at the back of your hand? and to assume among the powers of the earth, not just any powers- super powers like laser beams for eyes! the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature’s God entitle them, Don’t judge me! a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

Happy Nomad on January 3, 2014 at 10:41 PM

You can make clothes and stuff outta hemp, dudes. We should legalize one variety because the other is fiberous. You can make cool floppy hats. And ships lines long ago.

George Washington was a pothead.

Far out!!!

wolly4321 on January 3, 2014 at 10:43 PM

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