Yet another Fast & Furious gun turns up at a crime scene in Mexico

posted at 4:01 pm on January 2, 2014 by Erika Johnsen

Lest anyone forget that the Obama administration has yet to fully come clean on the travesty that was Operation Fast and Furious — the not-”botched” but certainly crooked gunrunning scandal in which federal officials pressed American gun dealers into selling more than 2,000 weapons to known cartel smugglers, and then allowed those criminals to funnel the weapons back across the Mexican border with no way of actively tracing them — the results of the administration’s egregiously deficient enterprise are still popping up in the aftermath of deadly violence. Back in August, CBS reported on the unwelcome discovery of three Fast & Furious guns at cartel-related crime scenes, and now we’ve got another one, via CNN:

A U.S. official said Tuesday that investigators have traced at least one firearm recovered at a December 18 gunfight in Puerto Peñasco, across from the Arizona border, to Operation Fast and Furious. …

The shootout in Puerto Peñasco, also called Rocky Point by Arizona tourists, two weeks ago left at least five suspected cartel gunmen dead, including possibly a high level Sinaloa cartel chief, according to Mexican authorities.

Witnesses reported hours of shooting and grenade explosions, with Mexican authorities using helicopters to attack fleeing suspected cartel gunmen on the ground. …

The ATF, in a statement, said: “ATF has accepted responsibility for the mistakes made in the Fast and Furious investigation and at the attorney general’s direction we have taken appropriate and decisive action to ensure that these errors will not be repeated. And we acknowledge that, regrettably, firearms related to the Fast and Furious investigation will likely continue to be recovered at future crime scenes.”

…Yes, well, as reassuring as I’m sure it is that that Attorney General Eric Holder has directed the ATF to take “appropriate and decisive action to ensure that these errors will not be repeated,” that assurance would carry rather a bit more weight if the Justice Department would talk the talk and walk the walk by finally releasing the subpoenaed documents they are still willfully withholding from Congressional investigation. Being held in contempt of Congress over the same evidently didn’t even phase Eric Holder, and the administration is still trying to get the executive-privilege pull making its way through the judiciary dismissed out of hand. Fortunately, a federal judge completely rejected the administration’s farcical argument that it somehow isn’t the courts’ role to adjudicate the dispute (“dismissing the case without hearing it would in effect place the court’s finger on the scale, designating the executive as the victor based solely on his untested assertion that the privilege applies,” the judge wrote), but the administration is unapologetically looking to appeal that decision — because the rule of law as well as that little constitutional mechanism we like to call checks-and-balances clearly do no apply to the Most Transparent Administration, Evah.


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At this point, what difference does it make?

M240H on January 2, 2014 at 4:03 PM

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M240H on January 2, 2014 at 4:04 PM

With this crew I won’t be surprised if a nuke goes off in an American city and it turns out to be one of ours.

docflash on January 2, 2014 at 4:07 PM

Obama’s boy Holder has quite a bodycount.

Murphy9 on January 2, 2014 at 4:08 PM

ATF has accepted responsibility for the mistakes made in the Fast and Furious investigation and at the attorney general’s direction we have taken appropriate and decisive action to ensure that these errors will not be repeated.

One thing for sure, those appropriate and decisive actions haven’t contributed to prison overcrowding or rising unemployment.

antipc on January 2, 2014 at 4:11 PM

I swear to God, at this point I feel like this blood is as much on Issa’s hands as it is on Barky’s and Holder’s.

bofh on January 2, 2014 at 4:11 PM

Quick, go tell Darrell Issa. Maybe he’ll write a sharply worded letter.

rrpjr on January 2, 2014 at 4:14 PM

I swear to God, at this point I feel like this blood is as much on Issa’s hands as it is on Barky’s and Holder’s.

bofh on January 2, 2014 at 4:11 PM

And on the hands of every other pusillanimous piece of sh*t Republican.

rrpjr on January 2, 2014 at 4:16 PM

because the rule of law as well as that little constitutional mechanism we like to call checks-and-balances clearly do not apply to the Most Transparent Administration, Evah.

Checks and balances? LOL. As the administration made clear in their statement about the empathetic, wise Latina’s decision (“We defer to the Department of Justice on litigation matters, but …”), they think that the courts and the SCOTASS are part of the Justice Department. Precedent of the Hah-vahd Lawn Review … Chief Editor … yep.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 2, 2014 at 4:17 PM

nobody is madder about this than……well, nevermind.

ted c on January 2, 2014 at 4:17 PM

Yet another Fast & Furious gun turns up at a crime scene in Mexico post.
BY ERIKA JOHNSEN

verbaluce on January 2, 2014 at 4:25 PM

Too funny

Schadenfreude on January 2, 2014 at 4:26 PM

verby hates dead Mexicans. Least surprising news of the day.

22044 on January 2, 2014 at 4:35 PM

At this point, what difference does it make?

M240H on January 2, 2014 at 4:03 PM

None at all but we know for sure that if a repub president had anything even remotely like this happen there would have been arrests, firings, resignations and impeachment. For cripes sake. Libby went to prison for what amounted to a non-crime.

Dr. Frank Enstine on January 2, 2014 at 4:35 PM

verbaluce on January 2, 2014 at 4:25 PM

Growing weary of the consequences caused by a corrupt and inept administration?

antipc on January 2, 2014 at 4:38 PM

200+ murders using weapons from Eric Holder’s illegal gunwalking scheme?

LOL!!!!!!!
-Verbaloon

You have a pretty black soul reprobate.

Murphy9 on January 2, 2014 at 4:40 PM

Dr. Frank Enstine on January 2, 2014 at 4:35 PM

I was just tossing out a little Hillary verbiage, there. Obuggerme seems to have learned from the Clintons’ that a trail of bodies doesn’t mean much when the constituency thinks the New York Time prints all the news that’s fit to print.

M240H on January 2, 2014 at 4:42 PM

The ATF, in a statement, said: “ATF has accepted responsibility for the mistakes made in the Fast and Furious investigation and at the attorney general’s direction we have taken appropriate and decisive action to ensure that these errors will not be repeated. And we acknowledge that, regrettably, firearms related to the Fast and Furious investigation will likely continue to be recovered at future crime scenes.”

And for providing the weapons illegally who is going to stand trial for that?

Oh, wait, that is being accountable… they only want to be ‘responsible’… being held to account is beneath them.

ajacksonian on January 2, 2014 at 4:43 PM

Yet another Fast & Furious gun turns up at a crime scene in Mexico post.
BY ERIKA JOHNSEN

verbaluce on January 2, 2014 at 4:25 PM

Yes, the lives of those to whom you would offer citizenship, income, and healthcare are meaningless.

You are a worthless a**hole.

M240H on January 2, 2014 at 4:46 PM

Back in August, CBS reported on the unwelcome discovery of three Fast & Furious guns at cartel-related crime scenes, and now we’ve got another one, via CNN:

Regarding these F&F guns that are “found” at these crime scenes, were they actually used to commit murder or are they just placed there?

rbj on January 2, 2014 at 4:51 PM

verbaluce on January 2, 2014 at 4:25 PM

If this was under Bush you’d have the same attitude, right?

But nicely revealing post. You made it clear you don’t care that the Obama government illegally ran guns to Mexico. So you don’t really care about gun crime. Or Mexican deaths. Got that? You don’t care. So much for the liberal compassion bullsh*t. You only care about keeping law-abiding Ameicans from having guns.

rrpjr on January 2, 2014 at 4:56 PM

Murphy9 on January 2, 2014 at 4:40 PM

Nice to see your concern over gun deaths.

verbaluce on January 2, 2014 at 4:58 PM

Yet another Fast & Furious gun turns up at a crime scene in Mexico post.
BY ERIKA JOHNSEN
 
verbaluce on January 2, 2014 at 4:25 PM

 
There it is, ladies and gentlemen. Those particular ones can’t vote here, so who cares?

rogerb on January 2, 2014 at 5:00 PM

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canopfor on January 2, 2014 at 5:03 PM

verbaluce on January 2, 2014 at 4:25 PM

truth hurts, eh verbalooser. This is what your party wrought. Own it.

DanMan on January 2, 2014 at 5:04 PM

So,…more Blood on Hopey/Changey and Holders hands eh!!

canopfor on January 2, 2014 at 5:05 PM

verbaluce on January 2, 2014 at 4:25 PM

If this was under Bush you’d have the same attitude, right?

But nicely revealing post. You made it clear you don’t care that the Obama government illegally ran guns to Mexico. So you don’t really care about gun crime. Or Mexican deaths. Got that? You don’t care. So much for the liberal compassion bullsh*t. You only care about keeping law-abiding Ameicans from having guns.

rrpjr on January 2, 2014 at 4:56 PM

Well, you see it was under Bush too…so we don’t have to imagine much there.
So seems it’s you with the partisan goggles on here.
The program/approach didn’t work. That happens sometimes.
Cartels knew if they wanted to buy guns…lots of them…this was the place to come. You’re all for that being the case, so don’t get all pissy when those in the Bush or Obama admin try to deal with a problem related to that.
I wish they’d done a better job of it for sure.

verbaluce on January 2, 2014 at 5:06 PM

Nice to see your concern over gun deaths.

verbaluce on January 2, 2014 at 4:58 PM

It was MURDER you recalcitrant asshat.

OWN it reprobate. Those are your boys doing it. You.

Murphy9 on January 2, 2014 at 5:07 PM

Nice to see your concern over gun deaths.

verbaluce on January 2, 2014 at 4:58 PM

It was MURDER you recalcitrant asshat.

Murphy9 on January 2, 2014 at 5:07 PM

And now your concern over murder, you brazen hussy.

verbaluce on January 2, 2014 at 5:11 PM

It’s only a matter of time and they will start showing up at crime scenes on this side of the border. The question is “will it be reported”?

DDay on January 2, 2014 at 5:11 PM

Rest in peace Brian Terry.

DDay on January 2, 2014 at 5:12 PM

verbaluce on January 2, 2014 at 5:06 PM

You’re confusing Operation Wide Receiver under Bush that never lost a single weapon, with Fast and Furious under Hussein that lost thousands of weapons, well not actually lost since the scam was intentional.

antipc on January 2, 2014 at 5:14 PM

Pro 18:6 A fool’s lips walk into a fight, and his mouth invites a beating.

Murphy9 on January 2, 2014 at 5:15 PM

verbaluce on January 2, 2014 at 5:06 PM

Obama’s operation has nothing to do with Bush’s. It’s an grotesque illegal mutation run under the radar of the Mexican government. If you don’t know it, you’re pathetically ignorant; otherwise, a lying POS.

The rest is doubletalk. Fast&Furious is a naked attempt to impugn the 2nd Amendment by Obama who worked sedulously at the Joyce Foundation to do just that. Hillary let the cat out of the bag when she trumpeted bogus statistics about deaths traceable to US guns before the plan was operational. This was a felonious treasonous scheme from the word go. Your little messiah is a scumbag racketeer, withholding docs for no legal reason while his catspaw Holder lied to Congress. Nothing like this under Bush ever over anything. F*ck off.

rrpjr on January 2, 2014 at 5:21 PM

verbaluce on January 2, 2014 at 5:06 PM

You’re confusing Operation Wide Receiver under Bush that never lost a single weapon, with Fast and Furious under Hussein that lost thousands of weapons, well not actually lost since the scam was intentional.

antipc on January 2, 2014 at 5:14 PM

No confusing them – both part of Project Gunrunner.
You’d have to be super stubborn to consider them to be unrelated to one another.
I certainly can understand someone being critical of the program and the approach. I think in hindsight, who isn’t.
But that’s not at all what’s at issue here for Erika, Issa, or anyone else who want to make political hay out of it.
The twisting in Knots to somehow say the Bush admin hadn’t been involved and supportive of the program to start with…it’s just silly.
Hopefully there are some professionals out there at ATF etc. making better decisions. I’m sure we’d all like to see them succeed here, right with the mission of reducing cartel related gun violence and drug mayhem on the border as well as in the US and Mexico.

verbaluce on January 2, 2014 at 5:26 PM

verbaluce on January 2, 2014 at 5:26 PM

Lulz, you’re so fukking stupid, it’s hilarious.

HumpBot Salvation on January 2, 2014 at 5:29 PM

Obama’s boy Holder has quite a bodycount.
Murphy9 on January 2, 2014 at 4:08 PM

His mentor Janet Reno still has the record but the Meerkat still has 3 years and 3 weeks to beat her record but decisively.

AH_C on January 2, 2014 at 5:31 PM

verbaluce on January 2, 2014 at 5:26 PM

You’d have to be super stubborn not to admit one was an epic failure that got hundreds of Mexicans killed and the was not. But keep up that Bush blaming if it makes you feel better. Fair warning though, it does make you look like the idiot you are.

antipc on January 2, 2014 at 5:35 PM

verbaluce on January 2, 2014 at 5:06 PM

Obama’s operation has nothing to do with Bush’s. It’s an grotesque illegal mutation run under the radar of the Mexican government. If you don’t know it, you’re pathetically ignorant; otherwise, a lying POS.

The rest is doubletalk. Fast&Furious is a naked attempt to impugn the 2nd Amendment by Obama who worked sedulously at the Joyce Foundation to do just that. Hillary let the cat out of the bag when she trumpeted bogus statistics about deaths traceable to US guns before the plan was operational. This was a felonious treasonous scheme from the word go. Your little messiah is a scumbag racketeer, withholding docs for no legal reason while his catspaw Holder lied to Congress. Nothing like this under Bush ever over anything. F*ck off.

rrpjr on January 2, 2014 at 5:21 PM

Cutting through your oratorical flair, you’re just a conspiracy theorist.
‘Obama’, ‘Hillary’, ‘Holder’…how can you not have Valerie Jarret, Rahm Emmanuel, and Barbara Streisand implicated here?

Anyway…
F&F was a failed ATF program. It’s intent was admirable, it’s execution not so much.

verbaluce on January 2, 2014 at 5:37 PM

verbaluce on January 2, 2014 at 5:26 PM

You’d have to be super stubborn not to admit one was an epic failure that got hundreds of Mexicans killed and the was not. But keep up that Bush blaming if it makes you feel better. Fair warning though, it does make you look like the idiot you are.

antipc on January 2, 2014 at 5:35 PM

Where am I blaming Bush?
I’m simply pointing out the fact that the program was active under two administrations.
But you are blaming Obama, but not Bush?
Right.

verbaluce on January 2, 2014 at 5:40 PM

Where am I blaming Bush?
I’m simply pointing out the fact that the program was active under two administrations.
But you are blaming Obama, but not Bush?
Right.

verbaluce on January 2, 2014 at 5:40 PM

It was a failure under the Bush administration. So poorly ran that no convictions could be garnered from it. It was ENDED.

The obama administration re-opened it and doubled down on it.

You do know it’s 2014, correct?

You do know that the ATF reports to Eric Holder at the DOJ correct?

You do know that Eric Holder was appointed by Barack Obmama, correct?

So yes, it’s the fault of the obama administration.

Try being honest for once in your pathetic life instead of trying to shift blame to Bush or pass the blame of your cult leader.

HumpBot Salvation on January 2, 2014 at 5:46 PM

Holder should be in prison for Fast and Furious, and so much more. He only upholds Obama’s dictats, not the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Just shameful.

Conservchik on January 2, 2014 at 5:48 PM

Where am I blaming Bush?

verbaluce on January 2, 2014 at 5:40 PM

Oh, I dunno.

The twisting in Knots to somehow say the Bush admin hadn’t been involved and supportive of the program to start with…it’s just silly.

verbaluce on January 2, 2014 at 5:26 PM

antipc on January 2, 2014 at 5:49 PM

Well, you see it was under Bush too…so we don’t have to imagine much there.
So seems it’s you with the partisan goggles on here.
The program/approach didn’t work. That happens sometimes.
Cartels knew if they wanted to buy guns…lots of them…this was the place to come. You’re all for that being the case, so don’t get all pissy when those in the Bush or Obama admin try to deal with a problem related to that.
I wish they’d done a better job of it for sure.

verbaluce on January 2, 2014 at 5:06 PM

For our low information troll…

1) Under Bush the firearms were tracked electronically and visually, and were prevented from crossing the border; Mexico was informed and involved in the operation; it was shut down in 2007. Under Obama, it was started up in 2009 with NO tracking (electronic or visual) and were encouraged to cross the border; Mexico was NOT informed and NOT involved in the operation; it continued until gun shops owners complained, innocents were murdered by the hundreds and word leaked out.

2) Under Obama, gun shop owners were COERCED to provide the firearms even though purchasers failed the checks and shop owners knew them to be mules for the cartels.

3) Considering the above, the only explanation for the actions is that this was going to be used as “proof” that stricter gun laws were needed, even though the administration was manufacturing the problem.

So, yes… Obama and Holder should be charged with TREASON for aiding known drug cartels in obtaining firearms. Unless of course you don’t consider the drug cartels to be enemies… but of course you don’t care or you’d be advocating for cleaning out the corruption from the Democrat party. Since I see NO liberal groups advocating for cleaning the corruption out of the Democrat party, I can only conclude that they want it there.

dominigan on January 2, 2014 at 5:50 PM

I have ZERO confidence that we know about all the F&F guns used in crimes, especially in the USA. If they can cover it up, they will and they surely are.

slickwillie2001 on January 2, 2014 at 5:54 PM

verbaluce on January 2, 2014 at 4:25 PM

If this was under Bush you’d have the same attitude, right?

But nicely revealing post. You made it clear you don’t care that the Obama government illegally ran guns to Mexico. So you don’t really care about gun crime. Or Mexican deaths. Got that? You don’t care. So much for the liberal compassion bullsh*t. You only care about keeping law-abiding Ameicans from having guns.

rrpjr on January 2, 2014 at 4:56 PM

Democratics only care about Mexicans if they can get into the USA and onto our voting rolls.

slickwillie2001 on January 2, 2014 at 5:57 PM

Try being honest for once in your pathetic life instead of trying to shift blame to Bush or pass the blame of your cult leader.

HumpBot Salvation on January 2, 2014 at 5:46 PM

You’re confusing your own way too emotional investment in all of this.
You’re not even trying to be logical…let alone honest.
I’m not blaming/crediting Bush or Obama.
You’re just a sheep in the herd with all of this.
You wouldn’t need to give me your opinion/thoughts on any Obama conspiracy at all.
Like I’m sure you believe he really did leave that folder there on purpose. And those were indeed his notes, despite the attempt to disguise his handwriting. And just try getting a direct answer from Carney as to who was in the car that night.

Try thinking for yourself.
Or don’t.

verbaluce on January 2, 2014 at 5:58 PM

Where am I blaming Bush?

verbaluce on January 2, 2014 at 5:40 PM

Oh, I dunno.

The twisting in Knots to somehow say the Bush admin hadn’t been involved and supportive of the program to start with…it’s just silly.

verbaluce on January 2, 2014 at 5:26 PM

antipc on January 2, 2014 at 5:49 PM

You don’t need to debate this dishonestly.
Or maybe you do.

verbaluce on January 2, 2014 at 5:59 PM

For all of the above commenters who think Issa hasn’t moved fast enough, or decisively enough, please point out to me where in the U.S. Constitution that a single committee in Congress is given the power to remove from office, and prosecute for wrong-doing, any member of the administration?
All Issa’s committee can do is to refer names for possible indictment to the U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia, who works for the Attorney General. If that USA declines to take any action, the prescribed cure is to withdraw funding for that office, and we’ve seen how much support any shut-down within the government has among the general public.
So, if you were this inflamed about F&F before the election in 2012, what did YOU do about it, because it is the votes of citizens that returned this administration to Washington.

Another Drew on January 2, 2014 at 6:01 PM

I have ZERO confidence that we know about all the F&F guns used in crimes, especially in the USA. If they can cover it up, they will and they surely are.

slickwillie2001 on January 2, 2014 at 5:54 PM

Exactly, Brian Terry’s murder was the only one reported on this side of the border and they tried to cover up the link to F&F weapons.

antipc on January 2, 2014 at 6:02 PM

You don’t need to debate this dishonestly.
Or maybe you do.

verbaluce on January 2, 2014 at 5:59 PM

Dishonesty???? LOL. Coming from the queen of dishonesty as well as someone who finished at the very bottom of their Reading Comprehension for Dummies class, I’ll take that as a redirection argument.

antipc on January 2, 2014 at 6:09 PM

Imagine how the media would be on top of Fast and Furious if this was a Republican administration.

bw222 on January 2, 2014 at 6:24 PM

verbaluce on January 2, 2014 at 5:58 PM

Lulz, you truly are a mental midget. And a completely dishonest one at that.

You’re confusing your own way too emotional investment in all of this.

I’m not emotionally invested at all. I do consider it a shame that partisan hacks won’t own up to the failings of your dear leader. I find it a shame that 200 + people are dead…and that the administration hasn’t been forthcoming.

You’re not even trying to be logical…let alone honest.

Sorry you’re to fukking stupid to understand that a program that was ended under Bush…that was re-instituted by obama..does indeed make it the fault and responsibility of the obama administration. And no amount of braying of cult worshipers like you can change that FACT.

I’m not blaming/crediting Bush or Obama.

Actually, you did in your usual pathetic attempt to put a “pox on both houses”. Bush hasn’t been in office for 5 years scooter, Fast & Furious is an obama program, PERIOD. FULL. STOP.

You’re just a sheep in the herd with all of this.

ROFLMAO…that from the biggest kool-aid drinking cultist on HotAir.

You wouldn’t need to give me your opinion/thoughts on any Obama conspiracy at all.
Like I’m sure you believe he really did leave that folder there on purpose. And those were indeed his notes, despite the attempt to disguise his handwriting. And just try getting a direct answer from Carney as to who was in the car that night.

Since it’s big nothing-burger, wonder why obama/holder haven’t released subpoenaed documents.

Try thinking for yourself. Or don’t.

LOL, oh the irony.

Get back to your banjo lessons, verbalduece.

HumpBot Salvation on January 2, 2014 at 6:34 PM

The press keeps calling it a “gun sting gone bad”, but I’ve yet to see any reason to believe that. There is no documentation presented to the public about what the goals of F&F were, or how it intended to achieve them. For all I can tell, it’s goal all along was to arm Mexican drug gangs, and it accomplished exactly that. There is no evidence whatsoever of any branch of DOJ making any effort to deviate from that goal, and plenty of evidence that they actively squelched any attempted deviation.

Socratease on January 2, 2014 at 6:40 PM

HOLDER=JAIL

TX-96 on January 2, 2014 at 6:42 PM

“ATF has accepted responsibility for the mistakes made in the Fast and Furious investigation ….”

Really? Who got FIRED?

…………….crickets………………….

GarandFan on January 2, 2014 at 7:11 PM

F&F was a failed ATF program. It’s intent was admirable, it’s execution not so much.

verbaluce on January 2, 2014 at 5:37 PM

Your country is crumbling around you from lawlessness, idiot. It
doesn’t take conspiracy theorizing. Just open your eyes.

rrpjr on January 2, 2014 at 7:16 PM

Obama’s boy Holder has quite a bodycount.

Murphy9 on January 2, 2014 at 4:08 PM

But he has him a knockout game player.

davidk on January 2, 2014 at 8:02 PM

Holder and Obama should be charged with Muder for every person killed with one of those guns.

Does everyone realize Obama brought the leader of Mexico to the US to lecture us on how we should ignore/change our immigration policy AND to blame the American people for guns being brought into Mexico…only for the world to find out it was OBAMA running the Guns to Mexican Drug Cartels in hopes of getting a high enough body count to justify stripping more of America’s right to bear arms away from us?!

And to this day no one has still been held accountable.

For anyone keeping track, we now know so far Obama has run weapons to Mexican Drug Cartels, to Al Qaeda in Libya, to the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, & to Islamic Extremists in Syria!

The only reason he isn’t in prison is because his criminal Atty General is covering his backside & the GOP are to scared to uphold their oaths of office!

easyt65 on January 2, 2014 at 8:12 PM

Obama’s slow motion Rolling 9/11 against Mexican men, women and children continues. Obama remains totally scott free even as the murders with his ObamaGuns continues.

VorDaj on January 2, 2014 at 8:15 PM

Congratulations, Democrat Voter, this corpse is for you!

claudius on January 2, 2014 at 8:21 PM

verbaluce on January 2, 2014 at 5:37 PM

And for Chrissakes read Sharyl Atkisson or Katie Pavlitch on this obscene scandal. It goes straight to Holder and then to Obama who is shielding disclosures.

But why bother? You’ve already made clear you don’t care. You’ve clearly made clear your hypocrisy and depravity.

rrpjr on January 2, 2014 at 8:56 PM

Well, you see it was under Bush too…so we don’t have to imagine much there.
So seems it’s you with the partisan goggles on here.

verbaluce on January 2, 2014 at 5:06 PM

You’re a liar, verbo. But, that’s nothing new…you’re a leftist/fascist.

It was a different program under Bush; and when they had a problem following the guns…THE PROGRAM WAS ENDED IMMEDIATELY.

Your lovely d’ohbama doubled down on sending guns to the cartels…and never even tried to follow them. All they wanted was for the cartel murderers to drop the guns at a murder scene so that they could be traced back to the USA.
It was all part of a ploy to abrogate the 2nd Amendment. About which, of course, you care nothing.

Solaratov on January 2, 2014 at 9:21 PM

And now your concern over murder, you brazen hussy.

verbaluce on January 2, 2014 at 5:11 PM

Yeah. Murder is such a joke; especially when you fascists can’t make political hay out of it.
Besides, it was only some mexican. Who cares? Right?

I’ll bet you people are just salivating at the thought of another Sandy Hook…so that you can dance in the blood of children.

Solaratov on January 2, 2014 at 9:26 PM

I’m sure we’d all like to see them succeed here, right with the mission of reducing cartel related gun violence and drug mayhem on the border as well as in the US and Mexico.

Except the Obama administration wasn’t trying to reduce gun violence along the Mexican border, they were trying to increase violence.

It was another attempt to create a situation where they could blame the increased violence, in Mexico, on gun sales in the US in order to push for more restrictions on the right to bear arms.

soundingboard on January 2, 2014 at 9:27 PM

No confusing them – both part of Project Gunrunner.

verbaluce on January 2, 2014 at 5:26 PM

You’re a liar…or too stupid to even be here trying to take part in an intelligent conversation.

Solaratov on January 2, 2014 at 9:30 PM

F&F was a failed ATF program. It’s intent was admirable, it’s execution not so much.

verbaluce on January 2, 2014 at 5:37 PM

The intent of F&F was to have American guns (which were not tracked at all) be found at murder scenes in Mexico and be traced back to the USA…where the ATF had made gun dealers sell loads of weapons to straw purchasers. That would set the scene for the abrogation of the 2nd Amendment.

As you continue to deny this and spout the regime party line, we can only surmise that you are either a blatant liar or a fool too stupid to be allowed out alone.

Solaratov on January 2, 2014 at 9:36 PM

Try being honest for once in your pathetic life instead of trying to shift blame to Bush or pass the blame of your cult leader.

HumpBot Salvation on January 2, 2014 at 5:46 PM

You’re setting an impossibly high bar for poor verbo. He’ll never be able to make it.

Solaratov on January 2, 2014 at 9:40 PM

I never say any more that truthers are idiots because “that’s a conspiracy theory”. I still think they’re idiots, but conspiracies are a fact.

The government does do stuff like heavy arms smuggling to drug cartels, for motives like justifying unconstitutional gun-grabbing.

And the old argument that you couldn’t have big conspiracies because someone would talk, someone would find out and it would be in the mass media doesn’t work either. There’s war on legitimate whistle-blowers like Edward Snowden, who whatever you think of him reported a genuine scandal. I’m sure that chilled a lot of other people how know about big, evil things going on. And as for someone talking, sure, but the mass media refuses to listen. The government doesn’t even have to bury the ongoing Fast and Furious scandal; the left-wing mass media monopoly does it for them. And when things come out, the GOP’s legal and legislative oversight is toothless and phony, so who cares.

Conspiracy theories are valid now. There’s every logical basis for them to be true.

David Blue on January 3, 2014 at 6:32 AM

It was another attempt to create a situation where they could blame the increased violence, in Mexico, on gun sales in the US in order to push for more restrictions on the right to bear arms.

soundingboard on January 2, 2014 at 9:27 PM

Right. They were breaking the law in order to subvert the Constitution.

And people used to say conspiracy theories were just fantasies.

David Blue on January 3, 2014 at 6:34 AM

I’ll bet you people are just salivating at the thought of another Sandy Hook…so that you can dance in the blood of children.

Solaratov on January 2, 2014 at 9:26 PM

They pray for it, in what passes for their prayers.

rrpjr on January 3, 2014 at 9:27 AM