Michael Moore: Let’s face it, ObamaCare is awful

posted at 2:31 pm on January 2, 2014 by Allahpundit

I was just thinking yesterday, “I wonder what a guy who supports CastroCare thinks we should do to fix ObamaCare?” If you can’t guess, read this. If you can, why bother? His big knock on O-Care is true enough — “affordable” care ain’t so affordable — but you already knew that, just like you already know what he thinks should be done about it. The solution to gross mismanagement of the federal exchange, capricious deadline-shifting driven by political whim, and tens of trillions in unfunded Medicare liabilities is, obviously, a bigger role for government in health care. There’s no problem with liberalism that socialism can’t solve.

The piece itself is less interesting than the timing of it, appearing in the Times on day one for ObamaCare coverage. Moore’s not waiting around to see how the law works before pronouncing it sucky and calling for a public option and single-payer. He’s as eager for his own reasons to see it fail as righties are; the key question is how many leftists are with him. Go back and look at this Gallup poll from last month showing a 12-point spike between October and December in the number of Democrats who want to “expand” what the law does. My hunch is that that number’s ticked down now that the website’s kinda sorta working and two million people have kinda sorta enrolled, but I’d like to see it tracked monthly. Progressives will be torn this year between toeing the party line on how awesome O-Care is to improve their chances in the midterms and dismissing O-Care as a giveaway to corporate interests in the name of galvanizing a challenge to Hillary from the left. (In his piece, Moore takes care to applaud potential Clinton opponent Brian Schweitzer for opening a few state-funded clinics for state workers as governor of Montana.) You’ll see them oscillate between Moore’s position and OFA’s until November, I suspect, when they’ll finally start trending more durably towards the former ahead of 2016.

Exit question: How could anyone dislike ObamaCare? This vid makes it sound fantastic.


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the problem with liberalism it’s great as long as it doesn’t apply to you.

phatfawzi on January 2, 2014 at 2:35 PM

Let’s face it, Michael Moore is awful

redguy on January 2, 2014 at 2:35 PM

Hey fattie–they already have socialized medicine in your home country so go back there, enjoy it, and STFU.

Kataklysmic on January 2, 2014 at 2:36 PM

The solution to gross mismanagement of the federal exchange, capricious deadline-shifting driven by political whim, and tens of trillions in unfunded Medicare liabilities is, obviously, a bigger role for government in health care. There’s no problem with liberalism that socialism can’t solve.

Words of advice from Dean Wormer directed towards Michael Moore…’Fat, Drunk, and Stupid is no way to go through life.’

Athos on January 2, 2014 at 2:40 PM

Ms. Sebelius sounds like she spent the day in Colorado.

Deafdog on January 2, 2014 at 2:40 PM

Fatso…..

What does a 2,700+ bill..
along with 15,000+ pages of regulations…
and the First Lady..
Have in common?

Electrongod on January 2, 2014 at 2:41 PM

I really think Michael Moore should take up smoking.

M240H on January 2, 2014 at 2:42 PM

Exit question: How could anyone dislike ObamaCare? This vid makes it sound fantastic.

Especially if you’re the middle class.

obama and Moore fluke you, royally, laugh at you, and make you pay for all. Work harder, fools.

Schadenfreude on January 2, 2014 at 2:45 PM

What? Each department has their own video services team? How much did this steaming pile of dog poop cost the taxpayers?

Hill60 on January 2, 2014 at 2:49 PM

One thing can be guaranteed. The Progressives and their media will be of one voice – single payer – long before November.

The Republicans – one voice – forget about it. Fail.

Carnac on January 2, 2014 at 2:52 PM

“So now Conservatives respect the opinion of Michael Moore?” post from nonpartisan and libfree in 3, 2, 1…

Chuck Schick on January 2, 2014 at 2:52 PM

since when does hotair listen to michael moore?

nonpartisan on January 2, 2014 at 2:53 PM

anybody else try to engage a lib on the biggest lie of the year? not a one I’ve asked will even admit the whole deal was sold on a lie. Not sure how we’re supposed to function as a nation with one side thinking lying is a winning strategy.

What comes next?

DanMan on January 2, 2014 at 2:53 PM

My friend’s wife was literally yelling at the TV on Wednesday about Michael Bloomberg, during a story on the swearing in of Bill de Blasio as mayor. But she wasn’t yelling over Mayor Mike’s big-government nanny-statism, but over the idea that he’s just another one of those evil 1 percent billionaires who’s been holding the 99 percent down.

That’s the way they think, and that’s the same line of reasoning people like Moore or Paul Krugman have when they rail at the failures of big government by demanding even bigger government, because it just hasn’t been done right yet by the right (left) people. Moore’s entire identity is tied into believing state control over everything is the answer, so his solution to ObamaCare is naturally going to be that taking out the insurance companies and putting the government in charge of everything would solve the whole problem.

jon1979 on January 2, 2014 at 2:55 PM

“So now Conservatives respect the opinion of Michael Moore?” post from nonpartisan and libfree in 3, 2, 1…

Chuck Schick on January 2, 2014 at 2:52 PM

Now look what you did…!

22044 on January 2, 2014 at 2:55 PM

If Michael Moore was 14 with that BMI, the Federales would ride in and liberate him from his irresponsible parents.

Murphy9 on January 2, 2014 at 2:57 PM

Is the kid being pulled in the wagon (at 40 seconds) Pajama Boy?

whatcat on January 2, 2014 at 2:58 PM

“So now Conservatives respect the opinion of Michael Moore?” post from nonpartisan and libfree in 3, 2, 1…

Chuck Schick on January 2, 2014 at 2:52 PM

since when does hotair listen to michael moore?

nonpartisan on January 2, 2014 at 2:53 PM

You in the same room?

rob verdi on January 2, 2014 at 2:58 PM

“So now Conservatives respect the opinion of Michael Moore?” post from nonpartisan and libfree in 3, 2, 1…

Chuck Schick on January 2, 2014 at 2:52 PM

Now look what you did…!

22044 on January 2, 2014 at 2:55 PM

We’re not laughing AT nonpartisan. We’re laughing near him.

CurtZHP on January 2, 2014 at 2:59 PM

So the left is now fessing up that Obamacare is even worse than Castrocare? Boy, has the fat worm turned!

whatcat on January 2, 2014 at 3:00 PM

“So now Conservatives respect the opinion of Michael Moore?” post from nonpartisan and libfree in 3, 2, 1…

Chuck Schick on January 2, 2014 at 2:52 PM

since when does hotair listen to michael moore?

nonpartisan on January 2, 2014 at 2:53 PM

Hey, Dr. Pavlov, you wanna knock it off with that bell?

M240H on January 2, 2014 at 3:01 PM

If he were in school Michelle would restrict his intake.

Schadenfreude on January 2, 2014 at 3:02 PM

To the liberal the solution to every problem is O.P.M.

meci on January 2, 2014 at 3:02 PM

C’mon, you guys. They wouldn’t have set their propaganda video to soothing elevator music if it really were a disaster.

crrr6 on January 2, 2014 at 3:04 PM

“So now Conservatives respect the opinion of Michael Moore?” post from nonpartisan and libfree in 3, 2, 1…

Chuck Schick on January 2, 2014 at 2:52 PM

since when does hotair listen to michael moore?

nonpartisan on January 2, 2014 at 2:53 PM

HAHAHAHAHA!!! His timing is truely inpecable.

DethMetalCookieMonst on January 2, 2014 at 3:08 PM

Oh look, our own resident Pajama Boy has arrived.

BeachBum on January 2, 2014 at 3:08 PM

Hey, Dr. Pavlov, you wanna knock it off with that bell?

M240H on January 2, 2014 at 3:01 PM

Comment of the day!

DethMetalCookieMonst on January 2, 2014 at 3:10 PM

“So now Conservatives respect the opinion of Michael Moore?” post from nonpartisan and libfree in 3, 2, 1…

Chuck Schick on January 2, 2014 at 2:52 PM

since when does hotair listen to michael moore?

nonpartisan on January 2, 2014 at 2:53 PM

Bravo, Chuck. Bra-f’ing-o. My goodness that made me laugh.

cptacek on January 2, 2014 at 3:11 PM

You guys can’t make fun of nonpartisan like that. Not after he said this:

I don’t care if you don’t find me entertaining…I’m not your court jester

nonpartisan on December 2, 2013 at 10:06 PM

nobar on January 2, 2014 at 3:14 PM

“So now Conservatives respect the opinion of Michael Moore?” post from nonpartisan and libfree in 3, 2, 1…

Chuck Schick on January 2, 2014 at 2:52 PM

You are a true master of your craft, sir, and I salute you.

The Schaef on January 2, 2014 at 3:15 PM

nonpartisan on January 2, 2014 at 2:53 PM

My goodness – how embarrassing.

crrr6 on January 2, 2014 at 3:15 PM

My goodness – how embarrassing.

crrr6 on January 2, 2014 at 3:15 PM

what’s so embarrasing?

ol’ chucky boy simply preempted me by posting a logical question that any rational visitor of hotair would have

nonpartisan on January 2, 2014 at 3:21 PM

“So now Conservatives respect the opinion of Michael Moore?” post from nonpartisan and libfree in 3, 2, 1…

Chuck Schick on January 2, 2014 at 2:52 PM

since when does hotair listen to michael moore?

nonpartisan on January 2, 2014 at 2:53 PM

Seriously, this one-two punch has made my entire day.

Thanks for getting my year off to a great start!

JadeNYU on January 2, 2014 at 3:25 PM

nonpartisan is a lot like Samantha West.

ElectricPhase on January 2, 2014 at 3:26 PM

Shut Up and Sing (?)

Tsar of Earth on January 2, 2014 at 3:28 PM

You say this:

I don’t care if you don’t find me entertaining…I’m not your court jester

nonpartisan on December 2, 2013 at 10:06 PM

Yet you also say this:

we’re blessed to live through the transformative age of Obama, he’s the type of leader that comes around once every few decades

Obama has the unflappable cool of JFK, the lionizing courage of Lincoln, and the intellectual depth of Jefferson…he will be one of the Great Ones.

nonpartisan on November 30, 2013 at 4:26 PM

I think you’re very much our court jester, Hyperpartisan. Please, continue to entertain me. (Love the belled hat by the way!)

Battlecruiser-operational on January 2, 2014 at 3:29 PM

what’s so embarrasing?

ol’ chucky boy simply preempted me by posting a logical question that any rational visitor of hotair would have

nonpartisan on January 2, 2014 at 3:21 PM

It’s the timing that’s embarrassing. It makes you look like a predictable tool (whether deserved or not).

That aside, it should be pointed out that this is noteworthy precisely because Michael Moore and the people on this site are usually extremely far apart on their opinions. That makes a “they’re saying the same thing” story interesting.

No one here is saying, “the conservative point is now strengthened because MM came to the same conclusion as us”. And, of course, no one here is under any delusions that MM came to that conclusion for all of the same reasons (we both seem to agree that the current implementation of ACA sucks, but, it’s unlikely he’d like to replace it with a more free-market solution).

I’m sure there are things I’ve missed, but, is there anything in here that’s unclear?

JadeNYU on January 2, 2014 at 3:29 PM

Just went to the article and the title ends with the non-word ‘Deserve’. Then I promptly quit reading and breathessley came back here – where the Tsar feels more safer.

Tsar of Earth on January 2, 2014 at 3:30 PM

Oh look, our own resident Pajama Boy has arrived.

BeachBum on January 2, 2014 at 3:08 PM

He’s here during most afternoons…AP in pajamas.

partisan could only be AP or Nurse Ratched/Sebelius.

Schadenfreude on January 2, 2014 at 3:31 PM

He just means it’s not a far more expensive, single payer program.

rickv404 on January 2, 2014 at 3:38 PM

what’s so embarrasing?

ol’ chucky boy simply preempted me by posting a logical question that any rational visitor of hotair would have

nonpartisan on January 2, 2014 at 3:21 PM

Have you ever considered testing for Narcissitic Personality Disorder in accordance with the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM)?

M240H on January 2, 2014 at 3:39 PM

Hey, Dr. Pavlov, you wanna knock it off with that bell?

M240H on January 2, 2014 at 3:01 PM

Hysterical!

nicefly on January 2, 2014 at 3:49 PM

ol’ chucky boy simply preempted me by posting a logical question that any rational visitor of hotair would have

nonpartisan on January 2, 2014 at 3:21 PM

If by “rational” you mean “desperate racist who is flailing at every straw possible to cover up for his sucking the rear of an ignorant and incompetent black child”, yep.

northdallasthirty on January 2, 2014 at 3:54 PM

Michael Moore is rich enough to open a bunch of free clinics staffed by Cuban doctors.

He has shown us that Cuba has the best medical system in the world.

Why stop at single payer here using greedy GOP doctors?

txdoc on January 2, 2014 at 3:55 PM

what’s so embarrasing?

ol’ chucky boy simply preempted me by posting a logical question that any rational visitor of hotair would have

nonpartisan on January 2, 2014 at 3:21 PM

“Preempted” you? He anticipated (almost to the minute) your pathetic, predictable response. Don’t worry, though. libfreeordie will be by shortly calling us all racists, so you;ll be off the hook.

Throat Wobbler Mangrove on January 2, 2014 at 3:58 PM

When does Super Chunk plan on signing himself up.

Bishop on January 2, 2014 at 4:06 PM

Where is my tiny fiddle?

Choke on it, Lumpy.

Del Dolemonte on January 2, 2014 at 4:13 PM

“So now Conservatives respect the opinion of Michael Moore?” post from nonpartisan and libfree in 3, 2, 1…

Chuck Schick on January 2, 2014 at 2:52 PM

since when does hotair listen to michael moore?

nonpartisan on January 2, 2014 at 2:53 PM

That was beautiful to watch.

A++++++++++

Del Dolemonte on January 2, 2014 at 4:16 PM

since when does hotair listen to michael moore?

nonintelligent on January 2, 2014 at 2:53 PM

Unlike the Half-Vast majority of O’bama Fluffers like yourself, Lumpy has been known to (gasp!) go on Faux News. He’s even been interviewed on “The O’Reilly Factor”.

And we’re not “listening” to him, we’re simply reacting to his criticisms of your Cult. Unlike most of you, he’s not afraid to call your Cult Leader out when he sees fit.

F-

Del Dolemonte on January 2, 2014 at 4:20 PM

what’s so embarrasing?

nonintelligent on January 2, 2014 at 3:21 PM

All of your posts here?

Del Dolemonte on January 2, 2014 at 4:22 PM

Too funny!!!!

wolly4321 on January 2, 2014 at 4:23 PM

ol’ chucky boy simply preempted me by posting a logical question that any rational visitor of hotair would have

nonpartisan on January 2, 2014 at 3:21 PM

Really?

What manner of “listening to” do you think is taking place here?

You act like this is the first time HA ever quoted someone from left of center.

You probably also missed the part where the author cynically (and very likely, accurately) placed Moore’s criticisms of the current law in the context of “we should all have single payer, then everything would magically be fine”.

Or maybe you were just absent the day they taught irony in literature class.

The Schaef on January 2, 2014 at 4:28 PM

nonpartisan on January 2, 2014 at 3:21 PM

Really?

What manner of “listening to” do you think is taking place here?

You act like this is the first time HA ever quoted someone from left of center.

The Schaef on January 2, 2014 at 4:28 PM

I easily found dozens of times Moore has been cited in Hot Air threads. And many were definitely news-worthy at the time.

One was back in 2007, where AP noted that PETA had told Lumpy he needed to lose weight.

http://hotair.com/archives/2007/06/23/peta-to-moore-you-should-probably-lose-some-weight-dont-you-think/

Another Golden Oldie was in 2010, where Lumpy advocated building that New York City Mosque directly on Ground Zero.

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/09/13/michael-moore-lets-build-the-ground-zero-mosque-right-on-ground-zero/

But perhaps the funniest was also in 2010:

Great news: Cuba banned Michael Moore documentary for being too rosy about Cuban health care

Del Dolemonte on January 2, 2014 at 4:40 PM

Heh. You fools! Allahpundidit IS nonparisian!

Timing my ass. I KNEW I was right!

Lanceman on January 2, 2014 at 4:57 PM

Michael Moore: Let’s face it, ObamaCare is awful

And Mr. Moore is a fat bloated Jackazz, who if he
wanted to get rid of some body Fat easily, would
simply cut his head off…

ToddPA on January 2, 2014 at 5:08 PM

And Mr. Moore is a fat bloated Jackazz, who if he
wanted to get rid of some body Fat easily, would
simply cut his head off…

ToddPA on January 2, 2014 at 5:08 PM

for a minute there, I thought you were talking about rushbo…

nonpartisan on January 2, 2014 at 5:43 PM

And Mr. Moore is a fat bloated Jackazz, who if he
wanted to get rid of some body Fat easily, would
simply cut his head off…

ToddPA on January 2, 2014 at 5:08 PM

This sounds sort of personal for you…no?

verbaluce on January 2, 2014 at 5:45 PM

‘Sup, verbaldouche?

Lanceman on January 2, 2014 at 5:49 PM

Nothing will change in Washington until it’s recognized that the ultimate driving force behind most politicians is obtaining and holding power. And money from special interests drives the political process.

Money and power are important only because the government wields power NOT granted by the Constitution.

A limited, constitutional government would not tempt special interests to buy the politicians who wield power. The whole process feeds on itself. Everyone is rewarded by ignoring constitutional restraints, while expanding and complicating the entire bureaucratic state.

roflmmfao

donabernathy on January 2, 2014 at 5:49 PM

I really think Michael Moore should take up smoking.

M240H on January 2, 2014 at 2:42 PM

That’s not healthy. Or quick enough. I’d like to see him doing some Super G downhill skiing.

trigon on January 2, 2014 at 6:05 PM

When you lose Michael Moore you …

Well, you couldn’t actually lose a guy that appears on satillite photos. But when a fellow liberal extremist like Michael Moore thinks you’re screwed up, that is something.

smoothsailing on January 2, 2014 at 6:13 PM

Nothing will change in Washington until it’s recognized that the ultimate driving force behind most politicians is obtaining and holding power. And money from special interests drives the political process.

Money and power are important only because the government wields power NOT granted by the Constitution.

A limited, constitutional government would not tempt special interests to buy the politicians who wield power. The whole process feeds on itself. Everyone is rewarded by ignoring constitutional restraints, while expanding and complicating the entire bureaucratic state.

roflmmfao

donabernathy on January 2, 2014 at 5:49 PM

We need one-term only term limits and psychological screening for all potential candidates.

You can’t buy a politician that isn’t running for re-election (well, you can, but that’s pretty much covered by bribery laws).

Far too many of our elected politicians are flat-out bat-$hit crazy. Worse, many of the ones who aren’t obviously crazy are power-seekers. Exactly the kind of people who should not be allowed anywhere near actual power.

trigon on January 2, 2014 at 6:14 PM

for a minute there, I thought you were talking about rushbo…

nonpartisan on January 2, 2014 at 5:43 PM

Weak. Moore is considered clinically morbidly obese. Rush is husky. By a weird quirk of fate, you’re still considered an idiot who knows nothing about anything on any subject you discuss here.

But let’s get serious. Why do you think Mr. Moore considers Obamacare, a “joke”?

smoothsailing on January 2, 2014 at 6:18 PM

And it’s El Rushbo. Until you learn how to capitalize, you should be banned for using the title in a comment.

smoothsailing on January 2, 2014 at 6:24 PM

for a minute there, I thought you were talking about rushbo…

nonintelligent on January 2, 2014 at 5:43 PM

Limbaugh in 2009 lost 90 pounds. Your hero Lumpy refuses to tell us how much he weighs, much less how much he’s lost on his recent “walking” campaign.

F-

Del Dolemonte on January 2, 2014 at 6:55 PM

nonpartisan on January 2, 2014 at 5:43 PM

verbaluce on January 2, 2014 at 5:45 PM

Wow, 2 Leftist circular firing squads at Hot Gas in 2 days. 2014 is off to a howling start!

A+

Del Dolemonte on January 2, 2014 at 6:56 PM

I really think Michael Moore should take up smoking.

M240H on January 2, 2014 at 2:42 PM

That’s not healthy. Or quick enough. I’d like to see him doing some Super G downhill skiing.

trigon on January 2, 2014 at 6:05 PM

Or better yet, rock-climbing sans rope.

RavingLunatic on January 2, 2014 at 7:12 PM

Sorry, I could care less what Fat Mike has to say about anything.

GarandFan on January 2, 2014 at 7:13 PM

So now Conservatives respect the opinion of Michael Moore?” post from nonpartisan and libfree in 3, 2, 1…

Chuck Schick on January 2, 2014 at 2:52 PM

since when does hotair listen to michael moore?

nonpartisan on January 2, 2014 at 2:53 PM

That was beautiful to watch.

A++++++++++

Del Dolemonte on January 2, 2014 at 4:16 PM

Classic.

CWchangedhisNicagain on January 2, 2014 at 8:20 PM

for a minute there, I thought you were talking about rushbo…

nonpartisan on January 2, 2014 at 5:43 PM

Rushbo has 100 times your intelligence freak.

CWchangedhisNicagain on January 2, 2014 at 8:22 PM

nonpartisan on January 2, 2014 at 5:43 PM

Rushbo has 100 times your intelligence freak.

CWchangedhisNicagain on January 2, 2014 at 8:22 PM

She probably thinks he still does a TV show.

CurtZHP on January 2, 2014 at 9:22 PM

New rights and benefits.”

And obviously, if the state can give rights, they can take them away. And never mind that distinction between the current crop of “rights” and the unalienable ones of yore — yammering about the latter is a shibboleth of teaist racism. Everyone knows government gives rights. That’s why you elect certain people — they give you new rights. They abridge others, but what of that? All this rights stuff is fungible, isn’t it? A woman can’t have full women’s rights if her unborn child has the right to life. A ward of the state can’t have an obamaphone if someone else retains an extra dollar instead of paying that tax on their phone bill. This stuff exists to spread around! It doesn’t matter what happens to individuals, as long as collectively the mountains are leveled and everyone is wading in the same bog. :-/

rasqual on January 3, 2014 at 12:15 AM

Chubs just found out his gastric bypass wasn’t covered under his new plan. He only gets OB care, neonatal ICU and chiropractic coverage, and not enough psyche hours under his affordable, shiny new 30K policy with a 10K deductible.

Welcome to reality, Fatso.

NoPain on January 5, 2014 at 10:31 AM