Legal marijuana, day two: Colorado basically just one big Choom Gang now

posted at 5:31 pm on January 2, 2014 by Allahpundit

Brandeis famously wrote that “a single courageous State may, if its citizens choose, serve as a laboratory; and try novel social and economic experiments without risk to the rest of the country.” It’s not just the rest of America that’s watching this experiment, though: Believe it or not, Colorado is the first jurisdiction in the world to allow marijuana to be sold lawfully for recreational purposes. (The Dutch tolerate it but it’s still technically forbidden there.) As one pro-legalization activist put it to the Denver Post, “Today, there will be people around the country buying marijuana. But only in Colorado will they be buying it in stores like this one.” It’s still illegal under federal law, of course, but Eric Holder and his boss understand this is one form of federalism their lefty base doesn’t want to see quashed.

Earlier, Charles Cooke of NRO invited opponents on Twitter to make an argument for legalizing alcohol but not marijuana that doesn’t amount to “because that’s how it’s always been.” That’s a fine Burkean conservative impulse but not an argument in itself; if it was, no tradition could be touched, no matter how flawed or wasteful (e.g., the Drug War). Some people argued that the key difference between booze and weed is that it’s possible to enjoy the former without getting buzzed. That’s true, but so what? Lots of people drink mainly or solely for effect. The guys you see walking out of the liquor store or supermarket on Saturday night with cases of MGD aren’t headed home to hold tasting sessions with it. If you’re that worried about Americans getting blitzed, either ban alcohol or impose strict limits on consumption.

Another tweeter told Cooke that America has enough legal vices at this point and doesn’t need another. Okay, but in that case, why not strike a blow for virtue by reinstating Prohibition? That feels like less of an argument against marijuana to me than an argument about timing: Presumably, if we’d maintained the national ban on alcohol in the 1930s but legalized weed, that would have been acceptable as a one-for-one vice trade-off. Given that some sizable chunk of the population has always thought Americans were way too dangerously licentious to cope with any more indulgences, how do we retroactively justify legalizing booze (or, say, dancing at closer than arm’s length)?

Here’s the truth of it:

Yeah, booze is mainstream while marijuana is countercultural, and that carries all sorts of baggage. There are endless examples of successful, respectable people openly enjoying alcohol (starting with your parents, in all likelihood), but because it’s been verboten to openly enjoy weed, the stoner subculture dominates the popular imagination — even though the last three presidents all partook in their youth. The real innovation in what Colorado’s doing is giving pot a shot to go mainstream. Maybe it won’t work; maybe, after the first surge of curiosity, the bulk of the consumer base will indeed be dudes in sandals and sweatshirts made out of hemp. There’s a reason, though, that the man given the distinction of being the first legal buyer in the state is an Iraq War vet who suffers from PTSD. (Footage of his purchase is in the second clip below.) Advocates are desperate to normalize this by expunging the stoner association as much as possible.

Two clips here of day one. The Denver Post also has an extensive gallery of photos, in case you’re curious what a state-sanctioned pot shop looks like.



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Oil Can on January 2, 2014 at 5:36 PM

Aer you an out of work skilled tradesman? Electrician, millwright, pipefitter, welder, painter, tinner, insulator, operator, logger…etc who doesn’t partake? Your future career begins in choomland, er, Colorado.

The jobs will be plentiful.

Long Mylar, Kliegs, Concertina, CO2, and Cheetohs

Murphy9 on January 2, 2014 at 5:36 PM

my buddies in California get glaucoma diagnosis over the phone with a faxed prescription to follow so Colorado isn’t really breaking any new ground

DanMan on January 2, 2014 at 5:37 PM

Having a PTSD sufferer be a poster child for pot is a mistake. From my experience, a large amount of drug use–including both pot and alcohol–is avoidance of dealing with underlying problems.

Someone with PTSD might avoid symptoms while high, but they’re always back when he’s sober, causing him to crave the high all the more. This is the cycle of the junkie.

Nessuno on January 2, 2014 at 5:38 PM

Forgot the great field of transportation!

Murphy9 on January 2, 2014 at 5:38 PM

Never understood how you could have a crime without a victim….. then again I wouldn’t recommend sex, drugs or insanity for everyone, but they’ve always worked for me.

roflmmfao

donabernathy on January 2, 2014 at 5:42 PM

Do you have to be a state resident to purchase at these shops? Who will be the first to charter a 727 to Denver full of “pot tourists” similar to what the casinos used to do in MS?

Agent of the Cross on January 2, 2014 at 5:42 PM

I think those obsessed potheads are a bunch of losers. I hope businesses are able to drug test every day, as often as they like. I would never hire a habitual marijuana user.

Many of those people love the drug more than their own family members. It is their whole world.

bluegill on January 2, 2014 at 5:44 PM

A state full of idiots.

Darksean on January 2, 2014 at 5:44 PM

I used to carte blanche support it. For years.

Then this happened.

Taconic State Parkway Crash

And in it I saw the future for the next generations.

People are not responsible enough with booze.

So legalize this without massive, terrifying criminal penalties, and half of us will be driving the wrong way.

budfox on January 2, 2014 at 5:45 PM

Never understood how you could have a crime without a victim….. then again I wouldn’t recommend sex, drugs or insanity for everyone, but they’ve always worked for me.
roflmmfao
donabernathy on January 2, 2014 at 5:42 PM

No victims? You’ve obviously never had any family members who were addicts.

bluegill on January 2, 2014 at 5:45 PM

Dave’s Not Here.

Del Dolemonte on January 2, 2014 at 5:46 PM

Colorado basically just one big Choom Gang now

Just because you can now see it out in the open? It was always this way, but it was hidden.

DFCtomm on January 2, 2014 at 5:46 PM

Murphy9 on January 2, 2014 at 5:36 PM

There are lots of reasons not to live there or work there.

dogsoldier on January 2, 2014 at 5:47 PM

Secondhand smoke will also lead to secondhand highs, right?

PattyJ on January 2, 2014 at 5:47 PM

Brandeis famously wrote that “a single courageous State may, if its citizens choose, serve as a laboratory; and try novel social and economic experiments without risk to the rest of the country.”
================================================================

Wait a tic, I thought San Francisco,

aka, ..Sodom/GiveMe Morah,was already a test bed
for all things kinky sumpins sins!!!!

canopfor on January 2, 2014 at 5:47 PM

Ultimately this will be a good thing once the novelty wears itself off.

The entire wake of “Reefer Madness” has been one long example of a government acting stupidly in reaction to its citizens acting stupidly. Indeed, the only thing dumber than spending your days stoned to the bejeezus is having a Federal government trying to remand you to the custody of the Bureau of Prisons for eternity for using a native plant for its medicinal effects.

May this take hold and become law in all 57 states. Enough of this nonsense.

Just so you know – I haven’t smoked in decades and don’t plan on resuming.

turfmann on January 2, 2014 at 5:48 PM

@charlescwcooke Because hippies smoke pot, while CEOs enjoy a drink. Another iteration of a 50-year culture war.

— Oliver Staley (@Ostaley) January 2, 2014

LOL. The more relevant point is that hippie scum smoke pot while their fathers smoked cigarettes, which is why cigarettes are being banned everywhere but the same morons claim that smoking joints has no ill effect. There’s something sooper-dooper special evil about inhaling burning tobacco leaves that doesn’t exist in the burning of any other sorts of leaves – especially not burning pot leaves (and buds) that people inhale deeply and hold down for long periods of time. Nope. Nothing bad in that smoke. But, cigarette smoke … Most dangerous thing in the universe … it even kills through walls. So deadly, that private property rights can be completely trampled in the fight against the cigarette … but light up a doob and it’s all cool.

Friggin morons.

As to legal weed, only a an idiot would buy it at anything more than $100/ounce. It’s too easy to grow and just as good.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 2, 2014 at 5:48 PM

Just wait till these clowns find out that most business require a drug screen especially anything related to defense/aviation or money. Of course they will scream that no one told them and try and sue.

major dad on January 2, 2014 at 5:48 PM

The issue is the underground drug culture that doesn’t exist with the alcohol culture. And the simple fact that drug use among teens physically alters their brain mechanics.

This will lead to more teens smoking pot. That will lead to more teens doing Mollys and crack and eventually heroin. (And before the libertarians come out and chastise me and claim pot isn’t a gateway drug or that you can’t get addicted to weed, bear in mind that I’m not making a black and white argument here. What I’m saying is that for those who do make the leap -and many will- they likely -almost assuredly- wouldn’t have done so without being introduced into the drug culture through the use of marijuana.) As the father of a 21 y.o. heroin addict, I can tell you that while adults may be able to limit themselves, many, many, many teens cannot. And once they realize the high of heroin is much, much, much better than that of weed, AND that $20 will get you high for days on H, the problems that will be born from this fool-hearty move will be lasting and expensive.

BKeyser on January 2, 2014 at 5:49 PM

So, in Colorado,..there turning into a Stoners Heaven, I guess!
(sarc)

canopfor on January 2, 2014 at 5:50 PM

People do drugs whether it is illegal or not. So making it illegal doesn’t stop their use – which was ostensibly the reason for the law in the first place. It just fills up prisons with people who have done no harm to anybody else. And with prisons filled up, some people who belong there, get let out. Making it illegal just jacks up the price and thus invites the criminal element that exists in every society to go into a lucrative business.

keep the change on January 2, 2014 at 5:50 PM

using a native plant for its medicinal effects.

turfmann on January 2, 2014 at 5:48 PM

“Medicinal effects” … LOL.

Medical marijuana is the biggest joke around and everyone has known it since the beginning.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 2, 2014 at 5:50 PM

Colorado basically just one big Choom Gang now

New Colorado state motto: Have you ever looked, really looked at the back side of your hand? (credit to the pundit, I forget who, that came up with that one)

Seriously, I’m glad that Colorado did this. Let’s see how many ways this new law is going to screw them over in ways they can’t even imagine at this point where a bunch of immature stoners (and likely Ron Paul voters) are giddy about buying pot legally.

Happy Nomad on January 2, 2014 at 5:50 PM

I’m glad they did this in Colorado. I am curious as to how it will turn out. Basically I think there are relatively few people who don’t smoke pot simply because it is illegal. Those who want to smoke always have, legal or not.

Regardless, will be curious to find if pot usage actually decreases because the excitement of being “forbidden fruit” is gone.

mitchellvii on January 2, 2014 at 5:50 PM

Lowrider War
************

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ro4yhp9L6Ok

canopfor on January 2, 2014 at 5:51 PM

Making it illegal just jacks up the price and thus invites the criminal element that exists in every society to go into a lucrative business.

keep the change on January 2, 2014 at 5:50 PM

LOL! People are already sating that the state approved stuff is more expensive than the black market stuff.

That just means that the black market is really going to get going.

Murphy9 on January 2, 2014 at 5:52 PM

As I saw written elsewhere…

Pot is legal. Lightbulbs are banned. Welcome to 2014.

bluegill on January 2, 2014 at 5:52 PM

I have to say, good for a State to exercise it’s rights in this age of federal imperialism. Let’s wait and see how the experiment works out.

Murphy9 on January 2, 2014 at 5:52 PM

I support the -right- of adults to consume whatever substances they want to, without said consumption harming others through. This being said, what’s going on in CO is simply a government bread-and-circuses “privilege” that may be revoked at any politically convenient time.

http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Pleasure_Island_%28Pinocchio%29

ebrown2 on January 2, 2014 at 5:52 PM

Legalize it all or legalize none of it. What Colorado has done is create legal fronts for the drug cartels to launder money, distribute still illegal drugs and weapons. Don’t believe me? Skip down to the middle of the story and you will see hard evidence of what just legalizing weed does.

http://nypost.com/2013/12/29/legal-pot-colorados-bad-medicine/

The heyday of the Mob was not Prohibition but the post war period through the end of 1970s. They continued to control the wholesale liquor trade and legalized vice in Nevada. Organized crime still runs big time gambling operations despite state licensed casinos and lotteries.

If you think the war on drugs is a waste of time and money than just don’t agitate for weed. Speak up for the legalization of coke, crack, crystal meth, opiates and what ever else modern chemistry can come up with. When defining deviancy down do it all the way.

When it’s a choice between civil society and personal autonomy the Libertarian goes with personal autonomy even if it destroys the components of civil society that make liberty possible. At least Progressives know why they want an end to civil society.

jerryofva on January 2, 2014 at 5:53 PM

“through”=though

ebrown2 on January 2, 2014 at 5:54 PM

Medical marijuana is the biggest joke around and everyone has known it since the beginning.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 2, 2014 at 5:50 PM

Yeah, tell these people that they can get the same “medicinal” effect in pill form and they will turn on you in a heartbeat.

Happy Nomad on January 2, 2014 at 5:54 PM

OT: stay warm Allah…your new mayor said to stay indoors tonight…

cmsinaz on January 2, 2014 at 5:54 PM

LOL! People are already sating that the state approved stuff is more expensive than the black market stuff.

That just means that the black market is really going to get going.

Murphy9 on January 2, 2014 at 5:52 PM

Yep. Taxing the living cr@p out of something that anyone can easily grow is a godsend to the black market.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 2, 2014 at 5:54 PM

Medical marijuana is the biggest joke around and everyone has known it since the beginning.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 2, 2014 at 5:50 PM

In this case, you are uninformed.

ElectricPhase on January 2, 2014 at 5:54 PM

Ah,….Flight 999,..your cleared for either Runway 16R/34L,
and godspeed if you can see it,…visibilty is at 100 feet
and getting worse’er!!
(sarc)

canopfor on January 2, 2014 at 5:55 PM

So why not legalize acid?

ddrintn on January 2, 2014 at 5:56 PM

If some idiot loser wants to mess up his body with drugs, then I say let him. Just don’t make other people pay for your treatment and don’t drive.

What’s sad is that legalization is going to dramatically increase drug use among impressionable kids. Not good at all.

bluegill on January 2, 2014 at 5:56 PM

Or cocaine?

ddrintn on January 2, 2014 at 5:56 PM

I have to say, good for a State to exercise it’s rights in this age of federal imperialism. Let’s wait and see how the experiment works out.

Murphy9 on January 2, 2014 at 5:52 PM

Especially the whole quality control thing. If you’re going to legalize pot, do so with the same standards as any other drug. I think one of the biggest problems is that you’ve got the supply coming from some stoner with grow lamps in his basement.

Happy Nomad on January 2, 2014 at 5:57 PM

Another tweeter told Cooke that America has enough legal vices at this point and doesn’t need another. Okay, but in that case, why not strike a blow for virtue by reinstating Prohibition?

The relativistic reach for moral equivalency is strong in this one.

whatcat on January 2, 2014 at 5:57 PM

OT…and so it begins…obamacare ‘glitch’

cmsinaz on January 2, 2014 at 5:57 PM

It’s the same “slippery slope” as with SSM. If you allow one, you have no grounds really on which to stand to ban anything other than opiates (maybe).

ddrintn on January 2, 2014 at 5:57 PM

Advocates are desperate to normalize this by expunging the stoner association as much as possible.

Just like not all those that drink alcohol are alcoholics, not all those that choom are choomoholics.

It will be interesting to see how far the Federalism Train takes the choomers when a Republican POTUS eventually occupies the White House.

rukiddingme on January 2, 2014 at 5:57 PM

Yeah, tell these people that they can get the same “medicinal” effect in pill form and they will turn on you in a heartbeat.

Happy Nomad on January 2, 2014 at 5:54 PM

Yep. It’s funny how they demand that they be allowed to specifically smoke it. These “medical marijuana” jokesters don’t even like eating it – which is really the best way (though less efficient). As much as these fools fight against cigarette smoke, they fight for marijuana smoke. And they’ll tell you with a straight face that pot smoke isn’t harmful in any way, but cigarette smoke … it’s like instant death for everyone in a two mile radius!

Of course, anyone who has smoked a decent amount of pot knows all too well that it is extremely harmful and much, much heavier and harsher than any cigarette smoke around. But the hippies’ daddies used to smoke cigarettes, so they have to be deadset against them.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 2, 2014 at 5:58 PM

I used to carte blanche support it. For years.

Then this happened.

Taconic State Parkway Crash

budfox on January 2, 2014 at 5:45 PM

Err, according to your link, that driver also had a Blood Alcohol count of over twice the legal limit when she crashed. Can you prove that the marijuana she smoked was equally at fault? No, you cannot.

In fact, a 2011 study based on data from the National Household Survey on Drug Use and Health and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration showed that fatal car wrecks dropped by 9% in states that legalized medical use.

Why was that? Because those drivers stopped drinking alcohol.

If you do some research, you’ll find studies claiming that stoned drivers get into crashes 2X as much as straight ones. But you’ll find just as many studies with results comparable to the one I cite above.

Del Dolemonte on January 2, 2014 at 5:59 PM

Some people argued that the key difference between booze and weed is that it’s possible to enjoy the former without getting buzzed. That’s true, but so what? Lots of people drink mainly or solely for effect.

Lots of people drink mainly or solely for effect. EVERYONE who smokes pot does so for effect. It’s a substance with the sole purpose of becoming intoxicated, and we as a society have decided that’s not something we want to support.

The fact that you can enjoy a drink with dinner without getting buzzed IS a significant difference between alcohol and pot, and a legitimate argument for legalizing one and not the other.

Shump on January 2, 2014 at 5:59 PM

What happens when the stoner-driving deaths mount?

Is CO running designated-non-stoner driver PSAs?

BuckeyeSam on January 2, 2014 at 5:59 PM

So why not legalize acid?

ddrintn on January 2, 2014 at 5:56 PM

Or, at least, DMT for a fun lunchtime trip? No biggie.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 2, 2014 at 6:00 PM

What happens when the stoner-driving deaths mount?

Is CO running designated-non-stoner driver PSAs?

BuckeyeSam on January 2, 2014 at 5:59 PM

It’ll be great for Colorado’s bottom line. They get what $10k for each drunk driving violation, and so the driving stoned will probably be similar. They don’t really care if you die.

DFCtomm on January 2, 2014 at 6:01 PM

Just wait till these clowns find out that most business require a drug screen especially anything related to defense/aviation or money. Of course they will scream that no one told them and try and sue.

major dad on January 2, 2014 at 5:48 PM

Saw a story about that very subject last weekend. Its essence was that the new Colorado law is no guarantee of not getting fired if you get caught with something, even if it’s legal.

Part of that thinking is that of course, many workers work for companies that do business across state lines.

Del Dolemonte on January 2, 2014 at 6:01 PM

So why not legalize acid?

ddrintn on January 2, 2014 at 5:56 PM

Or, at least, DMT for a fun lunchtime trip? No biggie.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 2, 2014 at 6:00 PM

Certainly. And if someone wants to be a junkie, who are we to stop them? Why not legalize heroin?

ddrintn on January 2, 2014 at 6:02 PM

OT: stay warm Allah…your new mayor said to stay indoors tonight…

cmsinaz on January 2, 2014 at 5:54 PM

cmsinaz: Burr is right CMS:)

canopfor on January 2, 2014 at 6:02 PM

Excessive weed bakes the brain. Excessive alcohol kills the liver. I’ll take the dead livers over the baked brains any day. Weed will never become the drug of choice of the respectable because of the simple facts above.

Now, having said that, if Colorado wants to go down this road that’s their business. I wish them luck.

NotCoach on January 2, 2014 at 6:02 PM

Dave’s Not Here.

Del Dolemonte on January 2, 2014 at 5:46 PM

Dave’s in Denver.

rich801 on January 2, 2014 at 6:03 PM

The drug testing companies in Colorado are salivating over this new law.

Business will be booming chooming in 2014.

rukiddingme on January 2, 2014 at 6:04 PM

Look at all those tasty treats! Can I use my SNAP card to buy weed?

Deafdog on January 2, 2014 at 6:04 PM

I think those obsessed potheads are a bunch of losers. I hope businesses are able to drug test every day, as often as they like. I would never hire a habitual marijuana user.

Many of those people love the drug more than their own family members. It is their whole world.

bluegill on January 2, 2014 at 5:44 PM

Replace alcohol or alcoholics for pot and potheads and you have the same difference.

Ban alcohol if you subscribe to your opinion on pot.

rickyricardo on January 2, 2014 at 6:04 PM

the first legal buyer in the state is an Iraq War vet who suffers from PTSD

Now ATF has two reasons to deny him the purchase of a gun:
His mental state (PTSD), and his substance abuse (Pot).

Another Drew on January 2, 2014 at 6:05 PM

social conservatives once again on the wrong side of history. They love states’ rights when it suits them, but hate it when it doesn’t. On one hand, the government needs to get out of people’s lives, but on the other, the government needs to punish people for bad lifestyle choices. On the one hand, the nanny state is an oppressive fascist left-wing institution, but on the other, people don’t know what’s good for them, and can’t be trusted to decide what they put in their bodies. On one hand, laws against people breathing others’ second hand smoke are creations of liberal nanny statism, but a law that prevents people from breathing their own smoke (if it’s pot) is a good law supported by good people for a good cause.

Which just goes to prove, the only true consistent right-wingers are right-wing libertarians. Social cons are from the Mike Huckabee crowd.

This is one issue the GOP could get out in front of the democrats on and really steal the college vote, that all-important zealous demographic that Obama used so successfully to implement his socialism. And yet, the social cons would rather back Big Nanny rather than win the next election.

keep the change on January 2, 2014 at 6:05 PM

One of the Colorado sheriffs who refuse to enforce the magazine ban held up two magazines and asked the reporters to tell the difference in the “legal” one and banned one because they are the same. So how is “legal” taxed and illegal non taxed pot going to be differentiated. I don’t smoke pot, but if I did I damned sure wouldn’t buy from store that supports the government. I should want all my business going to the entrepreneurs circumvention the pot taxes.

traye on January 2, 2014 at 6:06 PM

I support federalism! I also support NC putting up billboards notifying people that CO has legalized pot.

Head for the Rockies, weed-lovers!

mankai on January 2, 2014 at 6:07 PM

No victims? You’ve obviously never had any family members who were addicts.

bluegill on January 2, 2014 at 5:45 PM

Vices are those acts by which a man harms himself or his property. Crimes are those acts by which one man harms the person or property of another. Vices are simply the errors which a man makes in his search after his own happiness. Unlike crimes, they imply no malice toward others, and no interference with their persons or property.

Unless this clear distinction between vices and crimes be made and recognized by the laws, there can be on earth no such thing as individual right, liberty, or property — no such things as the right of one man to the control of his own person and property, and the corresponding and coequal rights of another man to the control of his own person and property.

To be a crime, there must exist criminal intent to invade the person or property of another. But vices are not engaged in with criminal intent. A man practices a vice for his own happiness solely, and not from any malice toward others.

Reminds me of H. L. Mencken’s famous definition of Puritanism: “The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.”

roflmmfao

donabernathy on January 2, 2014 at 6:07 PM

So how is “legal” taxed and illegal non taxed pot going to be differentiated.

traye on January 2, 2014 at 6:06 PM

There has to be a tax stamp on every leaf :)

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 2, 2014 at 6:09 PM

social conservatives once again on the wrong side of history.

keep the change on January 2, 2014 at 6:05 PM

“Anything goes” isn’t progress. It’s deterioraton. “Anarchy” isn’t necessarily where “history” is leading. If that’s the “right side”, I’ll stick with the socons. Solibs are just intent on re-learning lessons that humanity had already learned millennia ago.

ddrintn on January 2, 2014 at 6:10 PM

OT…and so it begins…obamacare ‘glitch’

cmsinaz on January 2, 2014 at 5:57 PM

That hospital isn’t far away from me. In fact, that’s the emergency room closest to my parent’s home and not some sort of shady system that doesn’t have its act together.

I think a big part of the problem is expectations. That woman expected to be seen just because she “enrolled” by the deadline. Well, any other health insurance but Obamacare expects pre-payment before coverage starts. And her deductible still wouldn’t have been met so she would have had to pay the $500 anyway.

Welcome to Obamacare. And yet, we have these stoner idiots who don’t care about anything but getting themselves some legal pot in Colorado. Lots of luck getting any job where federal funds require mandatory drug testing.

Happy Nomad on January 2, 2014 at 6:11 PM

Goodbye, Colorado!

Magpul announces move to Texas, Wyoming

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_24833568/magpul-pulling-up-states-heading-out-colorado

Pork-Chop on January 2, 2014 at 6:13 PM

I support federalism! I also support NC putting up billboards notifying people that CO has legalized pot.

Head for the Rockies, weed-lovers!

mankai on January 2, 2014 at 6:07 PM

They had a stoner on local radio explaining that he was headed to Colorado. He explained; he smokes pot every day and is tired of being afraid that the VA police might “hassle” him for doing so. You couldn’t have found a better interview to show just how stupid continued pot smoking makes people.

Happy Nomad on January 2, 2014 at 6:14 PM

“Anything goes” isn’t progress. It’s deterioraton. “Anarchy” isn’t necessarily where “history” is leading. If that’s the “right side”, I’ll stick with the socons. Solibs are just intent on re-learning lessons that humanity had already learned millennia ago.

ddrintn on January 2, 2014 at 6:10 PM

This.

Stoic Patriot on January 2, 2014 at 6:15 PM

No victims? You’ve obviously never had any family members who were addicts.

bluegill on January 2, 2014 at 5:45 PM

Pot isn’t addictive, it’s habituating. As to whether people suffer because a family member is selfish … that’s their problem, really.

Although “medical marijuana” has always been the worst sort of farce, I have no problem with a state exercising its powers over drugs (the feral government really has no business in that), unlike illegal aliens, which are a federal responsibility and the state has no right, whatsoever, to offer any sort of asylum to illegals and much less to be issuing them any sort of papers. If Colorado wants to do this with recreational weed, then fine for them. It’s a joke and eventually they won’t see much in tax receipts from this (they certainly shouldn’t).

It’s the fact that these same douchebag potheads are among the most vocal in banning cigarettes – which have always been legal – that really makes my blood boil.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 2, 2014 at 6:15 PM

how much will an ounce cost ( all in) ??

rik on January 2, 2014 at 6:17 PM

This is one issue the GOP could get out in front of the democrats on and really steal the college vote, that all-important zealous demographic that Obama used so successfully to implement his socialism. And yet, the social cons would rather back Big Nanny rather than win the next election.

keep the change on January 2, 2014 at 6:05 PM

Wow, that’s some weapons-grade stupid right there. I don’t think you really respect the college vote if you give them so little credit that all they want is legalized pot. You don’t think they care about the cost of college, jobs when they graduate, a decent place to raise their family, etc? Are you really that stupid?

Happy Nomad on January 2, 2014 at 6:17 PM

So how is “legal” taxed and illegal non taxed pot going to be differentiated.

traye on January 2, 2014 at 6:06 PM

Yeah, that’s always been my question when it comes to this. If as the news reports say the legal weed is actually more expensive then stuff sold on the streets, then why wouldn’t people still buy from their normal seller and if caught just say “uhh, I bought it at a shop with cash and don’t have a receipt”.

The only way illegal pot sales get curbed is if the cost from the licensed shops matches or comes close to street prices. Therefore taking away the incentive to buy illegally.

nextgen_repub on January 2, 2014 at 6:18 PM

The issue I see around marijuana legalisation is sobriety testing for operating motor vehicles.

Due to liability concerns, I can’t see most larger companies allowing their employees to smoke pot, where for the same reasons those companies do not allow their employees to have consumed any alcohol prior to reporting for work, where testable levels of alcohol are still present in the person’s system.

The problem regarding current testing methods is this: while the average person can have a beer and the alcohol from that beer will be flushed completely out of their bloodstream in less than an hour, a person who smokes pot will have testable levels of THC present in their bloodstream for up to 30 days – due to the difference of alcohol being water soluble vs THC being fat soluble. The legal assumption here is, the presence of the offending chemical being present in the bloodstream means that for legal purposes, the person is not completely sober.

Assuming that the chemical effect of THC on the brain passes long before THC is expunged by the body, how then would one test for a person being “under the influence of” marijuana for legal purposes, vs relying on the assumption that THC merely being present in the bloodstream is enough? I’d like to know out of curiosity.

Otherwise, anyone smoking pot legally is setting themselves up to be fired from their jobs or arrested for driving under the influence, days after the fact…

Wanderlust on January 2, 2014 at 6:18 PM

So people being able to smoke pot in their own home is “anarchy”. to a social conservative.

Not only on the wrong side of history (future) but also on the wrong side of history (past)

keep the change on January 2, 2014 at 6:19 PM

Not only on the wrong side of history (future) but also on the wrong side of history (past)

keep the change on January 2, 2014 at 6:19 PM

Huh? Is English not your Mother Tongue?

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 2, 2014 at 6:20 PM

So people being able to smoke pot in their own home is “anarchy”. to a social conservative.

Not only on the wrong side of history (future) but also on the wrong side of history (past)

keep the change on January 2, 2014 at 6:19 PM

So what business is it of yours to ban heroin?

ddrintn on January 2, 2014 at 6:20 PM

As I saw written elsewhere…

Pot is legal. Lightbulbs are banned. Welcome to 2014.

bluegill on January 2, 2014 at 5:52 PM

Don’t forget those society-destroying horse-drawn carriages!

mankai on January 2, 2014 at 6:21 PM

Although “medical marijuana” has always been the worst sort of farce

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 2, 2014 at 6:15 PM

I used to think this too, until a close friend of mine who has been in constant pain for years explained that the only way he can manage his pain issues is through smoking marijuana. I have known my friend for 30 years and I know him well enough to trust his judgment on this, as does his wife of 28 years.

My two cents here.

Wanderlust on January 2, 2014 at 6:22 PM

Wanderlust on January 2, 2014 at 6:18 PM

What about letting the public know which products are made by dopers?

rik on January 2, 2014 at 6:23 PM

So people being able to smoke pot in their own home is “anarchy”. to a social conservative.

Not only on the wrong side of history (future) but also on the wrong side of history (past)

keep the change on January 2, 2014 at 6:19 PM

And are you for legalizing acid?

ddrintn on January 2, 2014 at 6:23 PM

OT…and so it begins…obamacare ‘glitch’

cmsinaz on January 2, 2014 at 5:57 PM

cmsinaz: Just wait till frustrations build,as people morph into
Honey Badgers!(sarc)

canopfor on January 2, 2014 at 6:23 PM

Not only on the wrong side of history (future) but also on the wrong side of history (past)

keep the change on January 2, 2014 at 6:19 PM

If I ever meet someone who uses the phrase, “the wrong side of history” for anything, my first temptation will be to shove the wrong side of history right up their a$$ – because there is no worse a vapid, utterly meaningless saying in the English language, IMHO – relying on it just proves one’s absolute stupidity and utter lack of understanding, reasoning, or logic in regards to a given issue.

Wanderlust on January 2, 2014 at 6:24 PM

Tina Fey: “I can see Russia from my house!”

Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper: “I can see Xanadu, Shangri-La, Nirvana, Alice in Wonderland’s rabbit hole and Tina Fey’s dressing room from my house!”

FlameWarrior on January 2, 2014 at 6:25 PM

how much will an ounce cost ( all in) ??

rik on January 2, 2014 at 6:17 PM

With or without the bag tax? ;0

Happy Nomad on January 2, 2014 at 6:25 PM

I’ve heard both sides of the argument, and I see no good in this. My useless state, wa, legalized this crap too.

Jack_Burton on January 2, 2014 at 6:26 PM

Rocky Mountain High.

hillsoftx on January 2, 2014 at 6:26 PM

What about letting the public know which products are made by dopers?

rik on January 2, 2014 at 6:23 PM

I’d only be concerned if the dopers were the ones doing quality inspections. Otherwise, I really don’t care.

Wanderlust on January 2, 2014 at 6:26 PM

And are you for legalizing acid?

ddrintn on January 2, 2014 at 6:23 PM

ddrintn: Do you mean Sulfuric Acid,

or,…………Lysergic acid diethylamide!(sarc)

canopfor on January 2, 2014 at 6:27 PM

– relying on it just proves one’s absolute stupidity and utter lack of understanding, reasoning, or logic in regards to a given issue.

Wanderlust on January 2, 2014 at 6:24 PM

It’s using a supposed “inevitability” in the place of a reasoned argument FOR this or that. I stil;l want to hear this guy explain why LSD should be banned, assuming he thinks it should be banned.

ddrintn on January 2, 2014 at 6:27 PM

or,…………Lysergic acid diethylamide!(sarc)

canopfor on January 2, 2014 at 6:27 PM

That one.

ddrintn on January 2, 2014 at 6:29 PM

The social conservative is just a label that Libertarians want to stigmatize real conservatives. Libertarians are not conservative. They are to left of Progressives. Today’s Libertarians is a leftwing market oriented radical syndicalist. They seek the destruction of civil society with as much fervor as the Progressives. Progressives are smarter because they know that without civil society the government is in charge. What a bunch of dupes.

jerryofva on January 2, 2014 at 6:29 PM

They seek the destruction of civil society with as much fervor as the Progressives. Progressives are smarter because they know that without civil society the government is in charge. What a bunch of dupes.

jerryofva on January 2, 2014 at 6:29 PM

Yep. As people from Plato to Madison knew, the Libertarian anarcho-fetish leads only to despotism.

ddrintn on January 2, 2014 at 6:30 PM

how much will an ounce cost ( all in) ??

rik on January 2, 2014 at 6:17 PM

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canopfor on January 2, 2014 at 6:31 PM

Let all the pot smokers migrate to CO. Get’m really stoned and laid-about. Come November, they’ll all forget to vote, and CO, CA, OR, and WA will all go red.

FTW!

nukemhill on January 2, 2014 at 6:31 PM

Rocky Mountain High.

hillsoftx on January 2, 2014 at 6:26 PM

More like Rocky Mountain low.

Just wait until the first school bus driven by some stoner is involved in an accident that kills children. Just wait until workplace accidents “inexplicably” rise. Colorado doesn’t yet realize the can of worms it has opened up by their new law.

Happy Nomad on January 2, 2014 at 6:32 PM

canopfor on January 2, 2014 at 6:02 PM

are you stocked up on tea? stay warm buddy

cmsinaz on January 2, 2014 at 6:33 PM

The social conservative is just a label that Libertarians want to stigmatize real conservatives. Libertarians are not conservative. They are to left of Progressives. Today’s Libertarians is a leftwing market oriented radical syndicalist. They seek the destruction of civil society with as much fervor as the Progressives. Progressives are smarter because they know that without civil society the government is in charge. What a bunch of dupes.

jerryofva on January 2, 2014 at 6:29 PM

Nice strawhempman, there, dude.

The next time you want to pontificate on a subject, maybe learn something about it before you look like a complete jackass in public?

Hmmm?

nukemhill on January 2, 2014 at 6:33 PM

Happy Nomad on January 2, 2014 at 6:11 PM

obama will sign an eo waiving those tests….count on it

cmsinaz on January 2, 2014 at 6:35 PM

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