Hey, who’s up for a contentious new poll about evolution?

posted at 4:01 pm on December 31, 2013 by Allahpundit

It’s not New Year’s Eve without some fireworks. Per the new Pew poll, the share of the public that believes in some form of human evolution (divinely guided or not) stands at 60 percent, about the same as it was in 2009. Dig down into the partisan splits, though, and you find some movement.

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Democrats and indies have held roughly steady but Republicans have moved fairly dramatically against evolution in just four years, from majority support in 2009 to near-majority opposition now. Is that number accurate? I looked around to see what other polls have said about GOP views on evolution lately. Here’s what Gallup found in 2007:

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And here’s what Gallup found five years later, in 2012:

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Gallup detected movement away from the creationist position among Republicans over roughly the same span that Pew was detecting movement towards it. Is that a bona fide trend, though, or a function of Gallup wording the question slightly differently in its two polls? In 2007, the evolution question didn’t mention God; in 2012, they refined it so that evolution by divine guidance was an option. It may be that the numbers were more or less consistent in both polls but that some chunk of people who wanted to answer “evolution supervised by God” felt they had no choice in 2007 but to say no when given a binary choice between evolution and no evolution. “Evolution” is, after all, associated with Darwinism, and Darwinism is typically understood to mean evolution without divine guidance. If you don’t give some religious believers an option involving God, they might assume the pollster’s version of evolution is an atheistic one and that nudges them into the “no” category.

More data? Okay. When YouGov asked about evolution in July of this year, the numbers they got were strikingly similar to Gallup’s from 2012: 55 percent of Republicans said God created humans in their present form within the last 10,000 years; 30 percent said humans evolved over millions of years and that God guided the process; and five percent said humans evolved over millions of years without divine guidance. The Harris Poll on faith from a few weeks ago didn’t get into the weeds on this subject, but when they asked whether people believe in “Darwin’s theory of evolution,” 36 percent of Republicans said they did — a number that’s right in line with the other polls I mentioned although a bit surprising in that “Darwin” evidently did not equal “atheist” for the Harris respondents.

So, what’s it all mean? Gallup, YouGov, and Harris all see ~35 percent of GOPers backing evolution in some form and 55-60 percent favoring creationism; Gallup in particular found numbers along those lines all the way back in 2007, albeit with a bit more creationist support than recent polls. Pew’s numbers over time have deviated from that baseline wildly, so much so that not only do their 2009 figures show a majority of Republicans backing evolution, even their new 2013 numbers show the GOP as being comparatively more supportive of evolution than other pollsters do. That’s ironic since all the headlines yesterday were about Pew detecting a trend back towards creationism among Republicans. Even if that’s accurate, with a split of 43/48 between evolution and creation, Pew finds GOPers to be several points more sympathetic to evolution than other major poll outfits do. Maybe they’re just an outlier.

Or maybe they’re not. Maybe Pew’s the most accurate pollster here, in which case what explains the Republican tilt back towards “God created man in his present form within the last 10,000 years”? There’s been no major religious revival in the last four years that would explain it. My hunch is that, as strange as it may seem, it might be a partisan reaction. I’ve seen polls on abortion and gun control that show pro-life and pro-gun positions spiking as O entered the White House. Some people who’d normally be on the fence on those subjects are nudged over to one side by the prospect of a federal government run by liberal Democrats taking a renewed, possibly regulatory interest in them. It may be that some people who are tentatively in the “evolution is real but God guided it” camp are taking a more absolutist position because they’re worried that the government under O will teach only the atheistic version of Darwinism in schools. Or maybe schools have nothing to do with it; maybe this is a simpler partisan impulse, where contempt for the political worldview as personified by the president bleeds over into some people’s judgments about perennial cultural disputes too. Wouldn’t surprise me to find support for evolution among Democrats rising a few points once the next Republican president takes office. It’s a defensive impulse against a political opponent who’s taken power, whether that impulse is really justified or not.

By the way, in both the YouGov poll and the new Pew poll, one of the few groups to rival Republicans in support for the “man created by God in his present form” thesis is blacks. In YouGov, 49 percent take that position; in Pew, which slightly refines the sample to black Protestants, 50 percent take that position versus 44 percent who believe in evolution. Rarely will you see those numbers flagged in the usual look-at-these-Republican-rubes media pieces.


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Let the games….BEGIN!

Bishop on December 31, 2013 at 4:02 PM

I’d like to know how people’s understanding of what “existed in its present form since beginning” means has evolved over time.

besser tot als rot on December 31, 2013 at 4:03 PM

By the way, in both the YouGov poll and the new Pew poll, one of the few groups to rival Republicans in support for the “man created by God in his present form” thesis is blacks. In YouGov, 49 percent take that position; in Pew, which slightly refines the sample to black Protestants, 50 percent take that position versus 44 percent who believe in evolution. Rarely will you see those numbers flagged in the usual look-at-these-Republican-rubes media pieces.

Well, at least we know part of the topic for Melissa Harris-Perry’s first show of 2014…

jon1979 on December 31, 2013 at 4:04 PM

Well, if the definition of “evolution” mirrors that of Obama’s position on gay marriage, then I understand, because it’s total BS.

Stoic Patriot on December 31, 2013 at 4:04 PM

Does “believe in evolution” mean that you have to believe that humans are the result of a long series of random events that started with the formation of a micelle billions of years ago? Or can it simply mean that people used to all have black hair and now some evolved to have blonde and red hair?

besser tot als rot on December 31, 2013 at 4:06 PM

Well, I suppose it works to make the suits at Salem think you are being productive.

“Issues” polls are notoriously difficult to evaluate. So much depends upon the wording and order of questions, how they are asked, if the poll is in person, by phone, or on computer, even the voice of the questioner can affect results.

The accuracy of polling depends upon getting the subject to project action, not to think or feel, which are gauzy and ethereal. For instance, “Would the addition of a crunchy monkey liver crust make you more or less likely to try new Greasy Crisps?” or “Who do you plan to vote for next Tuesday?”

Adjoran on December 31, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Believing in purely naturalistic origins is pretty silly.

Murphy9 on December 31, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Let the games….BEGIN!

Bishop on December 31, 2013 at 4:02 PM

What are you saying that Rancid Cabbage and his sock bandit will be here.

RickB on December 31, 2013 at 4:09 PM

You don’t REALLY think a hard core socon like Paul

Bandit13 on November 6, 2013 at 9:01 PM

Pre-empting the bait for this moron.

nobar on December 31, 2013 at 3:45 PM

From the libertarian headline.

nobar on December 31, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Haekel’s fraudulent “diagrams” still published.

Murphy9 on December 31, 2013 at 4:11 PM

What if people think God created humans millions of years ago, and that Biblical day (in Genesis at least) refer to some sort of celestial day?

besser tot als rot on December 31, 2013 at 4:11 PM

Believing in purely naturalistic origins is pretty silly.

Murphy9 on December 31, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Believing in magic (i.e. creationism, virgin births, the divinity of one Jeebus H. Christ) makes much more sense.

Armin Tamzarian on December 31, 2013 at 4:11 PM

Or can it simply mean that people used to all have black hair and now some evolved to have blonde and red hair?

besser tot als rot on December 31, 2013 at 4:06 PM

Are you implying that blonde people are more evolved than those people with black hair? RACIST!

philoquin on December 31, 2013 at 4:11 PM

“Issues” polls are notoriously difficult to evaluate. So much depends upon the wording and order of questions, how they are asked, if the poll is in person, by phone, or on computer, even the voice of the questioner can affect results.

The accuracy of polling depends upon getting the subject to project action, not to think or feel, which are gauzy and ethereal. For instance, “Would the addition of a crunchy monkey liver crust make you more or less likely to try new Greasy Crisps?” or “Who do you plan to vote for next Tuesday?”

Adjoran on December 31, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Pretty much this.

nobar on December 31, 2013 at 4:12 PM

Believing in purely naturalistic origins is pretty silly.

Murphy9 on December 31, 2013 at 4:08 PM

I’ve been moving in this direction myself over the years.

besser tot als rot on December 31, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Are you implying that blonde people are more evolved than those people with black hair? RACIST!

philoquin on December 31, 2013 at 4:11 PM

Not at all. That they are poorly formed genetic mutations of what God intended. ;)

besser tot als rot on December 31, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Are you implying that blonde people are more evolved than those people with black hair? RACIST!

philoquin on December 31, 2013 at 4:11 PM

Gingers unavailable for comment.

nobar on December 31, 2013 at 4:16 PM

If humans evolved from monkeys…then why haven’t monkeys given birth to any more humans…hmmm.

Also if we evolved from monkeys they why are there still monkeys.

Scientists are dumb.

Pablo Honey on December 31, 2013 at 4:16 PM

Well, I’ll be a monkey’s uncle … flaming over useless click-bait is the new feces-flinging.

M240H on December 31, 2013 at 4:17 PM

Giant yellow duck explodes in Taiwan…again

http://news.yahoo.com/giant-yellow-duck-explodes-taiwan-again-104123196.html

Infinitely more interesting than rehashing foolishness.

Murphy9 on December 31, 2013 at 4:17 PM

Bloody Hell,..why not!!

And the Earth,..she is flat,….flat I tells ya!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(snark)

canopfor on December 31, 2013 at 4:18 PM

Can we not just have a poll about whether polls are useful or not?

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on December 31, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Bloody Hell,..why not!!

And the Earth,..she is flat,….flat I tells ya!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(snark)

canopfor on December 31, 2013 at 4:18 PM

There is better evidence that it is concave.

Murphy9 on December 31, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Are you implying that blonde people are more evolved than those people with black hair? RACIST!

philoquin on December 31, 2013 at 4:11 PM

Have you seen Kate Upton’s evolutionary assets?

M240H on December 31, 2013 at 4:21 PM

Giant yellow duck explodes in Taiwan…again

http://news.yahoo.com/giant-yellow-duck-explodes-taiwan-again-104123196.html

Infinitely more interesting than rehashing foolishness.

Murphy9 on December 31, 2013 at 4:17 PM

And the controversy therein is way more interesting too.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on December 31, 2013 at 4:21 PM

Yawn.

Hayabusa on December 31, 2013 at 4:22 PM

Giant yellow duck explodes in Taiwan…again

http://news.yahoo.com/giant-yellow-duck-explodes-taiwan-again-104123196.html

Infinitely more interesting than rehashing foolishness.

Murphy9 on December 31, 2013 at 4:17 PM

That’s not how you cook Peking Duck.

M240H on December 31, 2013 at 4:22 PM

What are you saying that Rancid Cabbage and his sock bandit will be here.

RickB on December 31, 2013 at 4:09 PM

sockbandit would have made a great nic here at HotGas.

VegasRick on December 31, 2013 at 4:23 PM

If humans evolved from monkeys…then why haven’t monkeys given birth to any more humans…hmmm.

Also if we evolved from monkeys they why are there still monkeys.

Scientists are dumb.

Pablo Honey on December 31, 2013 at 4:16 PM

Science of the gaps.

davidk on December 31, 2013 at 4:23 PM

My biggest takeaway is that R/D/I are all pretty pro-God. I also think that whenever evolution is mentioned that you get a lot of folks thinking that it is all or nothing one way or the other. I absolutely believe in evolution as far as mixing genes, inheritance, natural selection and so forth. That is science and common sense. That does not mean I believe I had an ancestor who crawled out of the water , hacked up a lung and became human or the notion that evolution has created birds from Dinosaurs or any of that stuff.

Southernblogger on December 31, 2013 at 4:23 PM

Let the games….BEGIN!

Bishop on December 31, 2013 at 4:02 PM

Bishop:

Our Origin,..is the LizardVoter,..who,er,..(IT),..crawled out
of the Political murkiness, then branched off by BOINKING a
Elephant and Donkey,

and hence, from such spawn , morphed into a Two Party System!!
(sarc)

Heres the BOINKING VIDEO:
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An Ugly Baby
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http://hotair.com/archives/2006/04/25/an-ugly-baby/

canopfor on December 31, 2013 at 4:26 PM

My biggest takeaway is that R/D/I are all pretty pro-God.

Southernblogger on December 31, 2013 at 4:23 PM

Except at the Democratic National Convention.

Stoic Patriot on December 31, 2013 at 4:27 PM

canopfor on December 31, 2013 at 4:18 PM

There is better evidence that it is concave.

Murphy9 on December 31, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Murphy9:You have got to be kidding, really,..craps, ..(sarc):)

canopfor on December 31, 2013 at 4:28 PM

It’s not New Year’s Eve without some fireworks.

Oh! You disappoint as much as Obamacare. You promise fireworks and you throw up a poll that could charitably be called a damp sparkler.

For one thing the term evolution is intentionally. Not even the most devout bible thumpers are going to come up with a unified definition of that. Secondly is this really an either or question? There are theories out there that are hybrids of both positions (with a few others thrown in too).

So, in the simple terms of this poll, then the fact man no longer has a prehensile tail we’ve evolved. But that doesn’t mean that man, or more accurately man’s spirit has been in the image of God from the beginning either.

And BTW, the poll is Judeo-Christian in nature since some faiths have completely different positions about both creation and evolution.

Happy Nomad on December 31, 2013 at 4:30 PM

Well,…looks like AllahP is going to get Snow Boinked,
(I kid AP)
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canopfor on December 31, 2013 at 4:31 PM

http://hotair.com/archives/2006/04/25/an-ugly-baby/

canopfor on December 31, 2013 at 4:26 PM

Dug deep for that one. I only recognize one name.

davidk on December 31, 2013 at 4:31 PM

My biggest takeaway is that R/D/I are all pretty pro-God.

Southernblogger on December 31, 2013 at 4:23 PM

Except at the Democratic National Convention.

Stoic Patriot on December 31, 2013 at 4:27 PM

Yep only Democrats boo God and want to make sure Jesus never gets out of His house. Though, I’ll go out on a limb here and guess that GLAAD is anti-Christian too since they clearly hate Christ.

Happy Nomad on December 31, 2013 at 4:32 PM

There is better evidence that it is concave.

Murphy9 on December 31, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Is that a result of the impact of Obamacare?

backwoods conservative on December 31, 2013 at 4:33 PM

What if people think God created humans millions of years ago, and that Biblical day (in Genesis at least) refer to some sort of celestial day?

Then they’re idiots. May as well believe the earth emerged fully formed from a paper bag 50 million years ago next Thursday. There’s as much evidence for that as “God.”

lostmotherland on December 31, 2013 at 4:33 PM

If humans evolved from monkeys…then why haven’t monkeys given birth to any more humans…hmmm.

Also if we evolved from monkeys they why are there still monkeys.

Scientists are dumb.

Pablo Honey on December 31, 2013 at 4:16 PM

This is a joke right? Please don’t tell me that this is how people think evolution works.

JohnBrown on December 31, 2013 at 4:33 PM

In the beginning, God … .

davidk on December 31, 2013 at 4:34 PM

Here’s the real problem with Darwinism: it makes a profound impact on everyday world views.

Evolution as a theory, strictly speaking, isn’t a problem That organism’s change over time is well understood. What the issue becomes is whether it’s random or not.

What does atheistic, totally random chance mean for humanity? It immediately reduces humankind to “monkeys that talk.” There is no room in Darwinism for a soul, or for any special status granted to humankind. All we are is a complicated biological machine. Darwinism means there’s no point to any of this.

Darwinism is a fundamental attack on the entire concept of “right” and “wrong.” What separates humanity from the apes? We are, after all, 99% the same DNA wise.

Humanity is concepts. Justice, Mercy, love, right, wrong, values of any kind other than reproduction and survival–none of those things have any meaning in a Darwinian world. Where is the DNA for “mercy?” Why does Hitler exist along side Mother Teresa? Darwinism would say that there IS no difference between the two.

Hobbes wrote of nature, red in tooth and claw. Darwinism embraces that. The T-Rex is king.

Philosophically, I reject the forced conclusion of Darwinism that humans are nothing but animals with a big brain. A human is a physical body–perhaps indeed descended from prior species–intermarried with a human spirit, which provides all the stuff that makes us human. Democrats, by the way, want to strip all of that away and just operate on the conclusion that we are all animals to control by them, who are of course not animals… or at least first, as Orwell would say. That’s why I’m opposed to gay marriage–it presupposes that gays are outside the realm of morality and are restricted by their DNA. Humanity is all about rising above our physical bodies, and Democrats are all about retreating to our instincts only, instead of mastering them.

Vanceone on December 31, 2013 at 4:34 PM

So Republicans are de-evolving. Wonderful.

MJBrutus on December 31, 2013 at 4:34 PM

Well,…looks like AllahP is going to get Snow Boinked,
(I kid AP)

canopfor on December 31, 2013 at 4:31 PM

The correct meterological term since 2012 has been Snow Fluked.

Happy Nomad on December 31, 2013 at 4:34 PM

So Republicans are de-evolving. Wonderful.

MJBrutus on December 31, 2013 at 4:34 PM

Well, it does explain those T-Rex arms on Boehner and the other surrender weasels.

Happy Nomad on December 31, 2013 at 4:35 PM

Allah,

Give it a rest.
You have nothing else to post and you need to fill your quota?

Have you seen Kate Upton’s evolutionary assets?

M240H on December 31, 2013 at 4:21 PM

Yes!
Would not mind evolving with her. Then I’d win the Darwin Award when Mrs. Bubba finds out.
I believe that would amount to an evolutionary dead end; like monkeys.

Bubba Redneck on December 31, 2013 at 4:36 PM

Science is not determined by “polls” unless you are talking “soft sciences” Like women studies or whatever.

Science uses that whole, “Scientific method” thingy ;)

Polls are part of the problem with this country and its leadership.

ProfShadow on December 31, 2013 at 4:36 PM

Great. Let’s use poll numbers to “settle the science”.

“See,all the cool kids think this way, so should you.”

kpguru on December 31, 2013 at 4:37 PM

“evolution is real but God guided it”

God: “Gosh, I hope that Darwin guy was right so things have a chance to turn out the way I want!”

whatcat on December 31, 2013 at 4:37 PM

Have you seen Kate Upton’s evolutionary assets?

M240H on December 31, 2013 at 4:21 PM

Hard to believe that beyond her own career she’s related to a key member of Congress and is an heiress to boot. Talk about the whole package.

Happy Nomad on December 31, 2013 at 4:39 PM

If humans evolved from monkeys…then why haven’t monkeys given birth to any more humans…hmmm.

Also if we evolved from monkeys they why are there still monkeys.

Scientists are dumb.

Pablo Honey on December 31, 2013 at 4:16 PM

This is a joke right? Please don’t tell me that this is how people think evolution works.

JohnBrown on December 31, 2013 at 4:33 PM

Dang you hit that spoon bait hard … as in, you been trolled.

M240H on December 31, 2013 at 4:41 PM

Polls are part of the problem with this country and its leadership.

ProfShadow on December 31, 2013 at 4:36 PM

And C-Span. Things got done in hearings before the Congresscritters were playing to the cameras and not actually doing their jobs.

Happy Nomad on December 31, 2013 at 4:42 PM

Put me in the ‘Humans evolved but under G-d’s control/guidance’ column.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 31, 2013 at 4:47 PM

If humans evolved from monkeys…then why haven’t monkeys given birth to any more humans…hmmm.

Also if we evolved from monkeys they why are there still monkeys.

Scientists are dumb.

Pablo Honey on December 31, 2013 at 4:16 PM

This is a joke right? Please don’t tell me that this is how people think evolution works.

JohnBrown on December 31, 2013 at 4:33 PM

Dang you hit that spoon bait hard … as in, you been trolled.

M240H on December 31, 2013 at 4:41 PM

Not so fast M240H-

I think look at the name- Pablo Honey. I think we have TLC royalty in our midst. No other than Honey Boo Boo! If you’ve ever seen the show, you believe in de-evolution and monkeys living amongst us.

Happy Nomad on December 31, 2013 at 4:49 PM

This is one of our opponents favorite cudgels. The, characterize them as you will (Democrats, Progresssives, Leftists) self styled elites believe that acceptance of evolution is a marker that separates the enlightened from the benighted. But what difference does it make in one’s everyday life. It’s not like believing that handouts don’t decrease incentive. It’s not like denying and or thwarting supply and demand. It’s not like believing that raising the minimum wage doesn’t result in unemployment among the people it’s “intended” to help. Those three beliefs are part of the leftists holy trinity. And they don’t work. They never have and they never will.

They use a theory, that most of them could not explain the mechanism of, to set themselves above their political opponents. I have no doubt about evolution in some form or another, but it does not affect my day to day life. I don’t make sound decisions about my conduct, my finances, or my relationships on the basis of Darwinism.

They don’t understand evolution and or Darwinism anymore than they understand particle physics and their adherence to it as a shibboleth it little more than the equivalent of shouting “Your mother wears combat boots” and being rewarded by their flockmates laughing hysterically at their wit. It’s sort of like Bill Maher–it’s not what he says it who he says it in front of. Sort of like Obama, they don’t understand him either but they know they are supposed to support him.

Nosli W. Nevets on December 31, 2013 at 4:50 PM

Frankly, I find the fact that more Democrats believe the myths of Socialist and Keynesian economics is more damning than the fact that more Republicans believe the myth of Genesis.

Count to 10 on December 31, 2013 at 4:54 PM

Speaking of Evolution, er,..Contraception:

US Conference of Catholic Bishops asks for delay in contraception coverage mandate in letter to Obama
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canopfor on December 31, 2013 at 4:54 PM

But what difference does it make in one’s everyday life.

Very little…just unimportant things like biology and medicine.

Pablo Honey on December 31, 2013 at 4:54 PM

Sort of like Obama, they don’t understand him either but they know they are supposed to support him.

Nosli W. Nevets on December 31, 2013 at 4:50 PM

Pretty much – neither Obama or Darwinism makes any logical sense, so it’s an apt comparison.

whatcat on December 31, 2013 at 4:56 PM

… Or can it simply mean that people used to all have black hair and now some evolved mutated to have blonde and red hair?

besser tot als rot on December 31, 2013 at 4:06 PM

DarkCurrent on December 31, 2013 at 4:57 PM

By the way, in both the YouGov poll and the new Pew poll, one of the few groups to rival Republicans in support for the “man created by God in his present form” thesis is blacks. In YouGov, 49 percent take that position; in Pew, which slightly refines the sample to black Protestants, 50 percent take that position versus 44 percent who believe in evolution.

It’s not surprising that blacks, who massively favor Democrats on most issues, are more likely to believe in creationism than other Democrats. Darwin’s “Origin of Species”, the first major book promoting evolution theory, was published in 1859, shortly before the American Civil War. Other evolutionist writers who followed Darwin went on to claim that black people were descended from Neanderthals and somehow inferior to white people, and black people resented this racist view of history.

Biblical creationism teaches not only that God created humans in their present form, but that all of humanity was wiped out by the flood of Noah’s time except for Noah, his three sons, and their wives, whose descendants then re-populated the earth. In this view, the differences between the races depend on from which son and daughter-in-law of Noah a person is descended, but this would mean that all people of all races are descendants of Noah, and therefore distant cousins of one another, and equal under God.

It is understandable that black people, and members of other ethnic groups who consider themselves oppressed, would embrace creationism, which considers all people equal under God, in preference to evolution theory, which allows some people to consider themselves more “advanced” than others.

Steve Z on December 31, 2013 at 4:58 PM

Nosli W. Nevets on December 31, 2013 at 4:50 PM

There’s a reason that it is their favorite cudgel. That is because ignorance, willful or otherwise, of science is a terrible trait to have in our nation’s leaders. In fact, more and more, our political decisions require an understanding of science and technology. From solutions to energy, ecology, education, medicine and so much more, some basic understanding of science impinges on political decisions.

Magic-based reasoning is no basis for improving our nation’s future.

MJBrutus on December 31, 2013 at 4:58 PM

So Republicans are de-evolving. Wonderful.

MJBrutus on December 31, 2013 at 4:34 PM

Actually, evidence point to the opposite. It’s liberals and leftists of all stripes seem to be regressing into a tribalism mindset and mob mentality. Many also appear to have odd superstitions about food and water and magic molecules in the atmosphere that must be appeased in order to fend off an apocalypse of some kind. They also like to chant slogans in unison and dress in a strange manner. Many seem to talk in circles using words with redefined meanings that only members of the various factions of the tribe understand.
Weird.

Mimzey on December 31, 2013 at 5:01 PM

Vanceone on December 31, 2013 at 4:34 PM

Your objection is that evolution takes away your ability to morally/ethically distinguish between humans and other animals?
How about sentience?

Count to 10 on December 31, 2013 at 5:02 PM

I think it was Dawkins who said, “Evolution doesn’t disprove God, it just doesn’t give him much to do.”

JamesB on December 31, 2013 at 5:03 PM

Have you seen Kate Upton’s evolutionary assets?

M240H on December 31, 2013 at 4:21 PM

Not as much or as intimately as I would like.

Bishop on December 31, 2013 at 5:04 PM

Mimzey on December 31, 2013 at 5:01 PM

The right does not have a monopoly on scientific ignorance and magical thinking by any means. Yes, the Leftist love their magical global warming faith. That does not excuse the ridiculous results of this poll, if it is to be believed.

MJBrutus on December 31, 2013 at 5:05 PM

Put me in the ‘Humans evolved but under G-d’s control/guidance’ column.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 31, 2013 at 4:47 PM

Well then you’re among the majority of those of the Judeo-Christian faith (practicing or not).

What’s next from Allahpundit- Did Jonah really get swallowed by a whale and lived to tell the tale?

Happy Nomad on December 31, 2013 at 5:05 PM

canopfor on December 31, 2013 at 4:31 PM

The correct meterological term since 2012 has been Snow Fluked.

Happy Nomad on December 31, 2013 at 4:34 PM

Happy Nomad:Lol,…you is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad, haha!:)

canopfor on December 31, 2013 at 5:07 PM

The evidence is pretty clear; there was nothing, not even time, then a singularity appeared, there was a big explosion, and here we are.

You morans ever read a book?

Bishop on December 31, 2013 at 5:08 PM

Magic-based reasoning is no basis for improving our nation’s future.

MJBrutus on December 31, 2013 at 4:58 PM

I’d like to think that, but the “old magic” people have generally done better than the “new magic” people in improving the future.
Look at the bright side: the argument here is over something well removed from every day life, instead of something like “vaccinations cause Autism” or “tuberculosis is caused by insufficient prayer”.

Count to 10 on December 31, 2013 at 5:09 PM

RED MEAT!

locomotivebreath1901 on December 31, 2013 at 5:10 PM

Allah,

Give it a rest.
You have nothing else to post and you need to fill your quota?

Bubba Redneck on December 31, 2013 at 4:36 PM

And here you are, filling his quota.

davidk on December 31, 2013 at 5:10 PM

Magic-based reasoning is no basis for improving our nation’s future.

MJBrutus on December 31, 2013 at 4:58 PM

I agree.
Too many are swayed by magic based reasoning. That is how we got sucked into “green energy”, multi-culti world views..tolerance for all shades of criminals, believing that some sort of groups hugs and rewards for their crimes would magically change them into model citizens, etc.

Mimzey on December 31, 2013 at 5:11 PM

Did Jonah really get swallowed by a whale and lived to tell the tale?

Happy Nomad on December 31, 2013 at 5:05 PM

No. It was a great fish.

davidk on December 31, 2013 at 5:12 PM

Vanceone on December 31, 2013 at 4:34 PM

This is what I dont understand with people that don’t believe in evolution. This idea that if evolution is real then humankind is just a meaningless animal and there is no reason to existence. Evolution is the greatest evidence of our greatness that exists in the universe. We are the result of natural selection over the course of millions of years. We broke free of the constraints that held back all known life on earth. Evolution no longer applies to us in the same way it does all other animals. We are the only species who has ever conceived of the concept behind our creation, and we stepped out of its boundaries and broke free of its chains. We are now capable of protecting the weakest among us and allowing them to live lives and pass on their genes. We come together as a society and protect against natural events that would wipe out entire populations of other species. Evolution is what makes us special. Its what makes us different than the rest of the known plant and animal world.

thphilli on December 31, 2013 at 5:13 PM

The right does not have a monopoly on scientific ignorance and magical thinking by any means. Yes, the Leftist love their magical global warming faith. That does not excuse the ridiculous results of this poll, if it is to be believed.

MJBrutus on December 31, 2013 at 5:05 PM

What magical thinking from the right are you referring to? If any side of the ideological line is anti science, it’s the liberal left. It would not be hard to construct a “one for one” list showing this to be accurate.

Mimzey on December 31, 2013 at 5:16 PM

This is what I dont understand with people that don’t believe in evolution. This idea that if evolution is real then humankind is just a meaningless animal and there is no reason to existence. Evolution is the greatest evidence of our greatness that exists in the universe. We are the result of natural selection over the course of millions of years. We broke free of the constraints that held back all known life on earth. Evolution no longer applies to us in the same way it does all other animals. We are the only species who has ever conceived of the concept behind our creation, and we stepped out of its boundaries and broke free of its chains. We are now capable of protecting the weakest among us and allowing them to live lives and pass on their genes. We come together as a society and protect against natural events that would wipe out entire populations of other species. Evolution is what makes us special. Its what makes us different than the rest of the known plant and animal world.

thphilli on December 31, 2013 at 5:13 PM

No one is more surprised to be here than me.

Murphy9 on December 31, 2013 at 5:16 PM

Well then you’re among the majority of those of the Judeo-Christian faith (practicing or not).
What’s next from Allahpundit- Did Jonah really get swallowed by a whale and lived to tell the tale?
Happy Nomad on December 31, 2013 at 5:05 PM

Before you presume to speak for the Judeo-Christian world, can you point out where Jonah being “swallowed by a whale” is mentioned in the bible? But congrats on the appointment to be the official voice of Jews and Christians worldwide anyway!

whatcat on December 31, 2013 at 5:16 PM

Believing in purely naturalistic origins is pretty silly.

Murphy9 on December 31, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Perhaps, but not quite as silly as believing a book patched together from various fantastical works by a collection of odd characters from the Iron Age Near East is actually the Inerrant Word of Almighty God.

DarkCurrent on December 31, 2013 at 5:17 PM

You morans ever read a book?

Bishop on December 31, 2013 at 5:08 PM

Are you really calling us “morans” because calling me by the name of my worthless corrupt Congresscritter are fighting words!

Happy Nomad on December 31, 2013 at 5:17 PM

You morans ever read a book?

Bishop on December 31, 2013 at 5:08 PM

Bishop:

Piff,..read,……..thats Crazy Bunker Mentality!!!!:)

canopfor on December 31, 2013 at 5:17 PM

Count to 10 on December 31, 2013 at 5:09 PM

Reasonable point. However, I can’t help thinking back how global cooling and later global warming scares were just junk science that would not have any bearing on policy. Who would have thought that we would pursue policies to impoverish ourselves ripping up and rebuilding infrastructure, ruin entire mineral extraction industries, make huge guilt-based transfer payments to 3rd world sh-tholes, and all the other lunacy involved with that junk science?

So now we are going to have to rebuild our entire health care system. I wouldn’t be very happy with the notion that the people who are going to do that work do not understand or deny the single most important scientific basis for all modern medicine.

MJBrutus on December 31, 2013 at 5:19 PM

Break out the bamboo folks!

Murphy9 on December 31, 2013 at 5:19 PM

Before you presume to speak for the Judeo-Christian world, can you point out where Jonah being “swallowed by a whale” is mentioned in the bible? But congrats on the appointment to be the official voice of Jews and Christians worldwide anyway!

whatcat on December 31, 2013 at 5:16 PM

Wow snark really makes you ugly. You really should work on that in 2014.

Happy Nomad on December 31, 2013 at 5:19 PM

We are the only species who has ever conceived of the concept behind our creation, and we stepped out of its boundaries and broke free of its chains.

And we know this after having had long and exhaustive conversations with all other species.

Bishop on December 31, 2013 at 5:20 PM

Bishop on December 31, 2013 at 5:08 PM

Are you really calling us “morans” because calling me by the name of my worthless corrupt Congresscritter are fighting words!

Happy Nomad on December 31, 2013 at 5:17 PM

Happy Nomad:)
==============

As if Bishop, ventures out from the saftey, of his Bunker,
probably has a comfort bunker binky to boot!!!!!!!!

canopfor on December 31, 2013 at 5:20 PM

This is what I dont understand with people that don’t believe in evolution. This idea that if evolution is real then humankind is just a meaningless animal and there is no reason to existence

thphilli on December 31, 2013 at 5:13 PM

Evolution and creation are completely separate topics.
For some reason many people conflate the two.

Mimzey on December 31, 2013 at 5:21 PM

Magic-based reasoning is no basis for improving our nation’s future.
MJBrutus on December 31, 2013 at 4:58 PM

I agree! The atheistic claim that everything came nothing, then the nothing turned into something and that something up turned into whole new something just is not much of a basis for anything.

whatcat on December 31, 2013 at 5:22 PM

canopfor on December 31, 2013 at 5:20 PM

A .50 cal bunker binky, you would do well to remember that when civilization collapses.

Bishop on December 31, 2013 at 5:23 PM

No. It was a great fish.

davidk on December 31, 2013 at 5:12 PM

Fair enough but so many people don’t even own a Bible I went with the traditional telling of the story which includes a whale.

Most of the Judeo-Christian faith/heritage don’t take the Bible as literal. How can you when there are two descriptions of Noah’s Ark side by side that are completely different! This poll suggests that a strong majority of Christians were literalists and that number is ebbing. I don’t buy that premise.

Happy Nomad on December 31, 2013 at 5:24 PM

The evidence is pretty clear; there was nothing, not even time, then a singularity appeared, there was a big explosion, and here we are.

You morans ever read a book?

Bishop on December 31, 2013 at 5:08 PM

I’m not sold on the “no time” thing, but I have seen some convincing arguments that, given enough time and space, you eventually get a very-low probability fluctuation into a small (subatomic) inflationary patch that grows into an observable universe like ours.
If the pathway is there, it become inevitable.

/cosmology doctorate

Count to 10 on December 31, 2013 at 5:24 PM

whatcat on December 31, 2013 at 5:22 PM

Please don’t pretend to know what atheists claim when you clearly don’t. I’m not about to have anything more to do with your straw man.

Also, try to remember that we are not discussing the origin of species, not the origin of the universe.

MJBrutus on December 31, 2013 at 5:25 PM

I agree! The atheistic claim that everything came nothing, then the nothing turned into something and that something up turned into whole new something just is not much of a basis for anything.

whatcat on December 31, 2013 at 5:22 PM

If you actually got into the physics of the origins of the universe, you might have a better understanding of how poorly defined the concept of “nothing” is.

Count to 10 on December 31, 2013 at 5:26 PM

Perhaps, but not quite as silly as believing a book patched together from various fantastical works by a collection of odd characters from the Iron Age Near East is actually the Inerrant Word of Almighty God.

DarkCurrent on December 31, 2013 at 5:17 PM

Interesting choice of words.
Which book are you referring to? (Obviously, to the exclusion of others)

Mimzey on December 31, 2013 at 5:26 PM

A .50 cal bunker binky, you would do well to remember that when civilization collapses.

Bishop on December 31, 2013 at 5:23 PM

You’re watching The Walking Dead marathon now, aren’t you?

Happy Nomad on December 31, 2013 at 5:26 PM

Count to 10 on December 31, 2013 at 5:24 PM

I went crazy-eyed over that. /non cosmology doctorate

Just as long as there’s room for any possibility at this point is all I ask; trying to make all the answers fit our limited understanding of the questions doesn’t help advance anything.

Bishop on December 31, 2013 at 5:27 PM

Wow snark really makes you ugly. You really should work on that in 2014.

Happy Nomad on December 31, 2013 at 5:19 PM

Yeah, it’s just too dang bad I can’t get into being the self-appointed official spokesperson for two major world religions and avoiding answering posed questions. Thats what’s really purdy.

whatcat on December 31, 2013 at 5:27 PM

You’re watching The Walking Dead marathon now, aren’t you?

Happy Nomad on December 31, 2013 at 5:26 PM

Pfffft. Spartacus, baby, Spartacus.

Bishop on December 31, 2013 at 5:28 PM

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