Confirmed: MSNBC pretty darned ignorant about Christianity and Scripture

posted at 11:31 am on December 28, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

The best part of this jaw-dropping display of ignorance from MSNBC’s Joy Reid on Christianity? It comes in a segment called — wait for it — “Pretenders”! Reid argues that Sarah Palin, whose latest book celebrates Christmas, was a hypocrite and a bad Christian because … she put up a Christmas tree! Why, the noted Biblical scholar Reid smirked, that’s a violation of Scripture:

JOY REID, SUBSTITUTE HOST: In “Pretenders” tonight, a merry Palin Christmas. Sarah Palin dropped by Fox & Friends to promote her manifesto on Christmas purity. She brought a treat better than Christmas cookies – family photos.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SARAH PALIN: In Skagway, Alaska, a little gold mining town where my dad was teaching school and coaching basketball, and that’s my older brother and older sister. And then that was on a college break. We were all in college at the same time my siblings and I home for an alumni basketball game in Alaska.

STEVE DOOCY, HOST: That’s really the key, isn’t it, as we look at another picture of the family. There they are.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

REID: Not so fast, Palin. We learned some important lessons on Monday about all the arbor activity in those pictures. I even had to break out the good book, not hers of course.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

REID: Certain parts of the Bible also appear to preach against let’s say, I don’t know, Christmas trees. Here’s Jeremiah 10-10, it reads:

“For the practices of the peoples are worthless; they cut a tree out of the forest, and a craftsman shapes it with his chisel. They adorn it with silver and gold; they fasten it with hammer and nails so it will not totter. Like a scare crow in a cucumber field, their idols cannot speak; they must be carried because they cannot walk. Do not fear them; they can do no harm nor can they do any good.”

(END VIDEO CLIP)

REID: Now, a Christmas purist wouldn’t want to stray from the Bible on Christmas, would she? Everyone celebrates Christmas in their own special way. That could mean being tree-side with the family or even profiting off your [cause?] and commercialism. But if Sarah Palin wants us to believe there’s only one true meaning of Christmas, she can keep on pretending.

Unlike the segment with Michael Eric Dyson, which was an extemporaneous discussion where the guest said something utterly ignorant, this segment was written and produced ahead of time.  It apparently escaped everyone at MSNBC, including Reid, that no one buys a Christmas tree and “shapes it with a chisel” into “idols that cannot speak.” No one is worshiping the tree. And unlike the segment with Dyson, Reid and MSNBC produce the Scripture reading where that distinction is actually explicit and clear, and utterly refutes the argument as Reid is making it in an attempt to cheap-shot Palin … and a lot of other Christians over a Christian holy day.

Did anyone at MSNBC bother to research this particular reference from Jeremiah before calling hundreds of millions of Christians idolaters? Did they even bother to read it for comprehension, or did they just do a search at Bible Gateway for “tree” to fit their preconceived argument? And did no editor at MSNBC have even enough of a passing familiarity with Christianity, the Bible, and Christmas trees to think, “Hey, maybe we’ve got this argument wrong?”

Layers of fact-checkers and editors, indeed.

Quite obviously, Reid and her cohorts at MSNBC like to think of themselves as the smartest people in the room. Unfortunately, as Reid has demonstrated all week, they’re just pretenders.

Note: I linked Noel Sheppard and Newsbusters on this, and be sure to read all of Noel’s post, which is well researched. Maybe MSNBC could learn a lesson from him.


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Of course Christmas trees have nothing to do with a Christian Christmas, any more than gift wrapping or Santa Claus. But all are part of the celebration.
Why are leftists so capable of combining gross stupidity with total ignorance and topped off with incessant, implacable hate?

arand on December 28, 2013 at 5:06 PM

All I can find about Reid’s “academic background” is that she majored in film at Harvard. She doesn’t even have her own wiki page so all evidence of her alleged “intelligence” is pure speculation.

Del Dolemonte on December 28, 2013 at 11:39 AM

A Harvard degree is often pretty much meaningless. With all the affirmative action, grade inflation and political, fluff academic concentrations, a Harvard diploma is often just an expensive piece of paper.

See my followup 3:58 PM post.

bluegill on December 28, 2013 at 4:22 PM

Del Dolemonte on December 28, 2013 at 5:17 PM

“And did no editor at MSNBC have even enough of a passing familiarity with Christianity, the Bible, and Christmas trees to think, “Hey, maybe we’ve got this argument wrong?”

Why start now? This is MSNBC. Their entire existence depends upon relying on the wrong argument, or making no argument at all…

Recon5 on December 28, 2013 at 5:24 PM

REID: Now, a Christmas purist wouldn’t want to stray from the Bible on Christmas, would she?

If that’s the standard, then woo hoo! We get to burn witches again. And MSNBC has to agree with Phil Robertson — and go beyond and kill practicing homosexuals (Phil only wants them to repent.)

rbj on December 28, 2013 at 6:05 PM

They call the segment “Pretenders” because they pretend people are watching.

kbTexan on December 28, 2013 at 6:14 PM

If that’s the standard, then woo hoo! We get to burn witches again.

rbj on December 28, 2013 at 6:05 PM

Sorry, scripture uses stoning. Burning them was purely a European twist. (It had something to do with how you know they’re witches.)

GWB on December 28, 2013 at 6:47 PM

Sorry, scripture uses stoning. Burning them was purely a European twist. (It had something to do with how you know they’re witches.)

GWB on December 28, 2013 at 6:47 PM

Uh because they’re made of….wood?

JFKY on December 28, 2013 at 7:01 PM

Why are leftists so capable of combining gross stupidity with total ignorance and topped off with incessant, implacable hate?

arand on December 28, 2013 at 5:06 PM

Because they hate everyone who isn’t exactly like them. Since they consider themselves perfect, they view the existence of anyone who is not a carbon copy of them (and under their “enlightened” control) as a threat, because that person’s existence demeans them.

Leftists are by nature childish, thin-skinned, and vindictive. As well as believing themselves to be innately superior to everyone and everything, bordering on being gods.

Yes, The One is simply a typical leftist.

clear ether

eon

eon on December 28, 2013 at 7:12 PM

Uh because they’re made of….wood?

JFKY on December 28, 2013 at 7:01 PM

Sounds right. After all, it’s unlikely that witches are made of wood in the desert, hence the stoning………

GWB on December 28, 2013 at 7:14 PM

Likewise Bill O’reilly . He knows nothing about the bible but cts like he is all knowing and all wise. He needs a good evangelical minister to mentor him on the bible.

Bullhead on December 28, 2013 at 8:35 PM

I have to say they know their scripture pretty well. I’m sure they study it in depth as it arrives twice daily from the White House communications office.

kcewa on December 28, 2013 at 8:42 PM

Sorry, scripture uses stoning. Burning them was purely a European twist. (It had something to do with how you know they’re witches.)

GWB on December 28, 2013 at 6:47 PM

Uh because they’re made of….wood?

JFKY on December 28, 2013 at 7:01 PM

I think the stoning had to do with shedding blood.

Burning was universal but is now pretty much confined to African freedom fighters.

kcewa on December 28, 2013 at 8:53 PM

Unbelievable.

Alana on December 28, 2013 at 8:58 PM

Is that a man or a woman in that pic? The person with the open mouth and hanging lower lip?

avagreen on December 28, 2013 at 9:37 PM

Joy Reid has always been a retard.

I’ll bet both of her parents were also mentally challenged.

jaime on December 28, 2013 at 10:07 PM

I do think that, if it weren’t for the opportunity to point out the ridiculous, this network would go away.

I will never consciously turn it on.

Hot Air should remember the maxim and provide NO publicity for this bunch.

questionmark on December 28, 2013 at 10:15 PM

Some breakaway Christian sects, such as Jehovah’s Witnesses, have used this argument against Catholic and mainstream Protestant Christians for decades. I’ve even heard some conservative Protestants of the more fundamentalist variety use it as an attack on the way that nominally Christian cultures celebrate Christmas. This is not to dignify MSNBC’s disingenuous appropriation of the argument, however. They are happily using the arguments of people they would otherwise attack as dangerous radicals in order to slap their scapegoat one more time. They didn’t invent it, but they will damn well use it. And there’s no way that these people think this is a serious argument.

dkmonroe on December 28, 2013 at 11:01 PM

Quite obviously, Reid and her cohorts at MSNBC like to think of themselves as the smartest people in the room. Unfortunately, as Reid has demonstrated all week, they’re just pretenders.

I’ve noticed that whenever religion is the topic, all my Progressive friends and relative suddenly become Biblical Scholars in spite of the (well advertised) fact that most of them have not set foot in a Church since Grade School.

schmuck281 on December 28, 2013 at 11:29 PM

I just did a quick scan of the OT, and couldn’t find President Choom’s name anywhere.

RoadRunner on December 28, 2013 at 3:05 PM

Judges 15:15. Samson killed 1,000 Philistines with President Choom’s jawbone.

MrKleenexMuscles on December 29, 2013 at 1:04 AM

Happy Kwanzaa to MSNBC’s Joy Reid (who?) and her ilk

What? No Christmas tree??

What happens at Kwanzaa? Does the ‘Kwanzaa Thug’ cut the screen, break the rear bedroom window and sneak thru to fill your shopping cart bag with crack, meth and 40s of malt likkor??…

Just wondering, …just as MSNBC’s Joy Reid knowns nothing about Christmas,.. BigSven doesn’t know or care about Kwanzaa..

BigSven on December 29, 2013 at 5:02 AM

questionmark on December 28, 2013 at 10:15 PM

Been blocked on my Dish since the election of 2008.

avagreen on December 29, 2013 at 8:18 AM

So she quotes an Old Testament passage to reflect poorly on Christians and Palin. Well, OK.

No where in the New Testament does it say, “An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.” The theme of the New Testament is “Love thy neighbor as thy self” and to “Turn the other cheek.”

Just when I think MSNBC hosts can’t get any dumber or stoop any lower, people like this give me new hope. Where do they find these idiots?

NoPain on December 29, 2013 at 10:13 AM

“If they’re wrong about this, what else are they wrong about?”

Try about 99.44% of what they say.

“The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they’re ignorant; it’s just that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan

Another Drew on December 29, 2013 at 1:14 PM

Why are leftists so capable of combining gross stupidity with total ignorance and topped off with incessant, implacable hate?

arand on December 28, 2013 at 5:06 PM

Because they are so GOOD at the above attributes, and if you took those away from them they would have nothing at all.

Artie on December 29, 2013 at 1:17 PM

Also, I guess it escaped them that Jeremiah is the Old Testament, so the practice being referred to couldn’t possibly be Christmas related, although I am a bit shocked that Ed didn’t seem to pick this up either.

boone on December 29, 2013 at 4:10 PM

She’s right. The Christmas tree was a pagan tradition adopted into our Christmas holiday. There’s no injunction in the Bible that we are supposed to have a Christmas tree. In fact there’s no injunction in the Bible that we are supposed to celebrate the birth of Jesus. The whole thing was hijacked by the Catholic church from a pagan Winter Festival. It’s become such a meat market that some Christians refuse to recognize it.

wdkeller on December 29, 2013 at 4:43 PM

Is it just me…Or does every ‘woman’ on PMSNBC appear to be an extra that didn’t make it, in some ‘Victor/Victoria’ spin-off?

I’m starting to understand why all the vitriol from these hags; If I was that ugly and androgynous, I guess I’d hate the world, too.

a5minmajor on December 29, 2013 at 5:50 PM

For believers, the Star or Angel on top of the tree are beacons leading the way to the Christ child. Think she did not know that?

If people would not believe Jesus the Christ himself, who would they believe?

66 And as soon as it was day, the elders of the people and the chief priests and the scribes came together, and led him into their council, saying,

67 Art thou the Christ? tell us. And he said unto them, If I tell you, ye will not believe:

68 And if I also ask you, ye will not answer me, nor let me go. Luke 22

And so Jesus spoke in parables

15 For this people’s heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. Matt 13

I would be wary of quoting Jeremiah:

14 Then the Lord said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.Jer 14

AH well

But if Sarah Palin wants us to believe there’s only one true meaning of Christmas, she can keep on pretending. Reod

Who is pretending? O little Pharisee, it is never too late.

entagor on December 29, 2013 at 7:27 PM

She’s right.
wdkeller on December 29, 2013 at 4:43 PM

No, she’s not. She got it dead wrong. In an attempt to smear Palin (and all other Christians by extension) she scored an “own goal”.

Shepherd Lover on December 29, 2013 at 7:31 PM

These people will never learn anything from their mistakes. Introspection requires humility.

Wood Dragon on December 29, 2013 at 11:36 PM

Did anyone at MSNBC bother to research this particular reference from Jeremiah before calling hundreds of millions of Christians idolaters? Did they even bother to read it for comprehension, or did they just do a search at Bible Gateway for “tree” to fit their preconceived argument? And did no editor at MSNBC have even enough of a passing familiarity with Christianity, the Bible, and Christmas trees to think, “Hey, maybe we’ve got this argument wrong?”

Undoubtedly, the answer to those questions is:

Did anyone at MSNBC bother to research this particular reference from Jeremiah before calling hundreds of millions of Christians idolaters?
………….NO.

Did they even bother to read it for comprehension, or did they just do a search at Bible Gateway for “tree” to fit their preconceived argument?
………….NO as to bothering to read it for comprehension and…………..YES, they almost certainly did a frantic search for “anything” that contained the word, “tree” in it without regard for context, meaning, specificity, as long as it was some denouncement of the use of a “tree” by whomever.

And did no editor at MSNBC have even enough of a passing familiarity with Christianity, the Bible, and Christmas trees to think, “Hey, maybe we’ve got this argument wrong?”
………….NO, never crossed their minds, no editor curious enough to think what they were passing along or why, and likely frightened enough of any superior that they’d raise some comments that didn’t inflict suspicions on Christians.

Lourdes on December 30, 2013 at 2:29 AM

ProgTards War on A to Z!!

canopfor on December 28, 2013 at 11:52 AM

Ha, that’s really the way it is.

Also now on Christmas trees!

“Stamp Out Christianity” seems to be the end goal.

Lourdes on December 30, 2013 at 2:35 AM

“One morning, he slipped on the name he’d been born with. The name of his father, Barack. For the first time in his life, he wore it proudly – like a coat of many colors.”
(More…)
==========

http://www.wnd.com/2013/11/school-lesson-portrays-obama-as-messiah/

canopfor on December 28, 2013 at 12:05 PM

I wonder if they realize just how profane those words are? Calling Obama “the Messiah” is profane, plagiarizing Biblical concepts is profane as it is twisting that content to represent profanity.

Totally, horribly, profane.

Lourdes on December 30, 2013 at 2:38 AM

One of them did this just the other day with that exact bit of Scripture, making this very point. Have we outed a troll?
GWB on December 28, 2013 at 12:29 PM

Thot the same thing. Occam’s razor and all that means this meme has been percolating with the moonbats for a while.

AH_C on December 28, 2013 at 12:42 PM

The Left circulates newsletters and then the internet soon carries the talking-point headlines in a variety of Leftwing commenting. I beware the worst of them when they appear as friendlies but aren’t, based upon what they “percolate” (those newsletter talking-point headlines).

Read it once, it’s peculiar from an inevitably anonymous commenter. Read it twice, it’s almost certainly a percolation from one of the Left’s newsletters.

Lourdes on December 30, 2013 at 2:47 AM

Actually, a Christian who doesn’t use the Old Testament to explain their values and the righteousness of God understands neither God nor His scripture.

GWB on December 28, 2013 at 2:08 PM

Agreed

Othniel on December 28, 2013 at 2:38 PM

Agreed, too.

Jesus Christ, Matthew 5:

17 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18 “For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 “Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

In the Old Testament are “the Law (and) the Prophets”…thus, Christ’s purpose and dedications.

Lourdes on December 30, 2013 at 2:53 AM

Well, c’mon. At this point they may well be the smartest people in the room. Even those who had come out of curiosity (ever been to a zoo..?) have left by now.

Who is the smartest person in a room of idiots? Why, the MSNBC host, of course. But it’s still a room full of idiots.

NeoCon_1 on December 30, 2013 at 3:42 AM

Jeepus Weepus! I’m an atheist, and even I know that a tree shaped with a chisel is called an “ayedollah.”

That’s not a Christmas tree, you idiots! It’s an ayedollah tree!

[I know. It sounded much funnier in my head.]

thejackal on December 30, 2013 at 8:41 AM

Hey, that’s pretty amazing how Jeremiah preached against Christmas trees 600 years before Jesus was even born and a couple thousand years before anyone started decorating a modern Christmas tree.

This is probably the thing that drives me most nuts about people ripping on Christians by trying to dig through the Bible looking for something to catch them out on. 90% of the time they get the Scripture completely wrong (as now), and the remaining 10% of the time, the only thing they’ve revealed is that people do things contrary to their morals sometimes. Which is the ENTIRE POINT of reconciliation: it begins with ACKNOWLEDGING that we don’t do the right thing 100% of the time.

I won’t even get into the irony of accusing Christians of twisting Scripture to suit their personal agendas…

The Schaef on December 30, 2013 at 10:32 AM

And they say Christians are dogmatic…..

itsspideyman on December 30, 2013 at 10:35 AM

I nominate this as the most underreported and important story of the year.

John the Libertarian on December 30, 2013 at 12:32 PM

Last time I checked, the Book of Jeremiah was not in the New Testament (you know, the part with “Christ” in it).

RoadRunner on December 28, 2013 at 11:58 AM

My immediate thought while reading the post.

Rio Linda Refugee on December 28, 2013 at 12:01 PM

FYI: According to a fellow that is probably an expert on Scripture, you should read Luke 24:27 in the New Testament. Seems that Christ is talked about throughout the Old Testament as well as the New Testament.

Luk_24:27 Then beginning with Moses and with all the prophets, He explained to them the things concerning Himself in all the Scriptures.

Just in case you didn’t catch it, Christ is the one explaining to a pair of people the things written about him in the Old Testament, which BTW, was all there was in the time of Christ. That being clarified, the woman, and whoever is in agreement with her, is obviously lost and should be pitied and prayed for according to the apostle Paul.

1Co_6:11 Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

A little grace goes a long way. Blessings!

Know It All on December 30, 2013 at 1:11 PM

Jeremiah 10:1 (ESV) Hear the word that the Lord speaks to you, O house of Israel.

Jeremiah is a book of the Old Testament. What part of OLD doesn’t Joy Reid understand? Jeremiah was speaking to Israelites (Jews) not Christians who did not at that time exist. Yes, the Old Testament and Judaism are at the root of Christian faith but with the birth and death of Jesus Christ, the Lord our God made a new covenant with believers. Today’s Christmas Tree is not an “idol” to be worshiped. Jeremiah warned of worshiping idols. Joy Reid should be thankful that MSNBC worships “affirmative action”.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

SpiderMike on December 30, 2013 at 1:20 PM

I’m sure she’s all up to date on Kwanza too.

Akzed on December 30, 2013 at 2:25 PM

This is rather depressing for the following reasons:

1. Why is Sarah Palin relevant in their minds? She’s not running for office or anything like that. She’s simply a political commentator, just like Joy Reid.

2. Her segment on Fox and Friends was rather innocent and was telling stories about her growing up. Some how, some way, MSNBC wants to make fun of that.

3. Palin is no Christian purist. My guess is that her family likes to mix together both Christian Theology and American version of Christmas.

4. MSNBC is making fun of Christians who put up Christmas trees, really? Whenever I go to Church on Christmas morning, there’s always at least two Christmas trees displayed on the alter.

Frank T.J Mackey on January 1, 2014 at 1:13 PM

Here’s another problem: why is Miss Reid quoting the Old Testament, if we’re talking about Jesus Christ? Why doesn’t she not comprehend the fact that nobody cuts down trees and makes the wood into their favorite idols?

Frank T.J Mackey on January 1, 2014 at 2:48 PM

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