Video: Big rush on ObamaCare, but how many will be insured?

posted at 8:31 am on December 26, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

As anyone could have predicted, the deadline for ObamaCare enrollment has prompted a surge in traffic to Healthcare.gov and state exchange websites. Mandate compliance will tend to focus attention, especially when the IRS could end up breathing down your neck for non-compliance. CBS News reports that record numbers of people signed up for insurance on the exchanges over the past week, but no one’s really sure if they actually will have insurance after January 1:

CBS calls these “enrollments,” but that’s actually the question. As CBS notes, insurers aren’t sure that the sign-ups will equate to actual enrollments for a number of reasons. Two of those reasons don’t get a mention in the report. First, the federal exchange and perhaps some of the state exchanges still have issues with their 834s, the electronic report that transmits enrollment data to insurers. The failure rate, by the administration’s own admission, is at least 10%. If the insurers don’t get the proper data, then they can’t enroll the customers. Second, the back-end subsidy payment system isn’t even in place, although the Obama administration’s workaround will be to have the insurers bill CMS for subsidy payments and to issue them without confirmation for a while. If enrollment data gets confused, customers might find their insurance cancelled even if they have been making their partial payments — unless insurers really want to go out on a limb and into the red on provider payments with short revenue.

Another curiosity is the level of sign-ups that CBS and ObamaCare exchanges offer as success. California signed up 100,000 people in a week? It’s a state of over 30 million people. The total only came to 400,000 before the deadline, or about 1.3% of the population, and that number included Medicaid enrollments:

California’s health insurance exchange said more than 400,000 people have signed up for health plans ahead of Monday’s enrollment deadline as part of the Affordable Care Act.

The Covered California exchange said the latest figures are based on preliminary data through Sunday, when about 27,000 people picked an insurance company. Enrollment Friday was even higher, at 29,000 people, according to the exchange.

“We very much expect today will be a big day,” Peter Lee, executive director of Covered California, said Monday. “We are seeing huge interest online.”

The state’s latest official figures were 156,000 enrolled in health plans through Dec. 7, and an additional 179,000 people who had qualified for an expansion of Medi-Cal, the state’s Medicaid program.

State officials declined to give an updated enrollment figure for Medi-Cal.

And according to the Sacramento Bee yesterday, many of those people who did sign up for private insurance can’t verify enrollment — even those who signed up right away rather than wait for the last minute:

Margaret Rhode didn’t procrastinate.

As soon as enrollment for health insurance plans began in October, she was on the Covered California website, seeking coverage for her 52-year-old son. Applying online, however, turned out to be more complicated than she had anticipated.

“I tried to apply online and it wouldn’t let me,” Rhode said, “I was able to connect over the phone and they told me the site was down, try again later.”

Rhode, a Rancho Cordova resident, finally gave up on the website and submitted a paper application in mid-November for a Blue Shield policy for her son.

Since then, silence.

Rhode will get confirmation by mail, if she gets it at all, because she submitted her son’s enrollment on paper.  Those with website sign-ups will only get a bill, if the insurers get their information and enroll them properly. They won’t find out whether that happened until the bill comes … or they try to use their insurance and find out they don’t have it.


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My sister in law has been trying for 6 wks to get her family covered. They are poor. It has kicked her off everytime, when the site has even been available.

Sadly, government is expanding…..and Liberty is contracting with every signup.

PappyD61 on December 26, 2013 at 8:39 AM

I will never, ever believe one bit of “data” the regime releases about this program. It will ALL be lies. The numbers will ALL be lies. The “success stories” will be ALL lies. That is simply a given, and anyone who feels differently has his or her head so deep in the sand there is no hope there. This entire mess started on lies, will be run on lies, and will collapse on lies.

Rational Thought on December 26, 2013 at 8:50 AM

If only republicans weren’t so racist it would be smoother sailing for obamacare by now.

MT on December 26, 2013 at 8:50 AM

As soon as enrollment for health insurance plans began in October, she was on the Covered California website, seeking coverage for her 52-year-old son.

WTF?

antipc on December 26, 2013 at 8:51 AM

I will never, ever believe one bit of “data” the regime releases about this program. It will ALL be lies. The numbers will ALL be lies. The “success stories” will be ALL lies. That is simply a given, and anyone who feels differently has his or her head so deep in the sand there is no hope there. This entire mess started on lies, will be run on lies, and will collapse on lies.

Rational Thought on December 26, 2013 at 8:50 AM

your moniker is such a joke! your post is as far from rational thought as can be

nonpartisan on December 26, 2013 at 8:52 AM

If only republicans weren’t so partisanly obstructionist it would be smoother sailing for obamacare by now.

MT on December 26, 2013 at 8:50 AM

fify

nonpartisan on December 26, 2013 at 8:53 AM

nonpartisan on December 26, 2013 at 8:53 AM

Akzed on December 26, 2013 at 8:59 AM

“We very much expect today will be a big day,” Peter Lee, executive director of Covered California, said Monday. “We are seeing a huge interest response to government coersion online.”

Carnac on December 26, 2013 at 8:59 AM

your moniker is such a joke! your post is as far from rational thought as can be

nonpartisan on December 26, 2013 at 8:52 AM

My name fits the argument perfectly. The ONLY rational stance is to assume that every single word coming from the regime about O-care is a lie — because so far they ALL have been. This is Zero’s signature “achievement” — and it is a spectacular failure. The lies they will employ to try and avoid the reality of that will be…unprecedented!

Rational Thought on December 26, 2013 at 9:00 AM

Our implementation of an ill-advised policy sucks so bad we need to blame our enemies.

nonpartisan on December 26, 2013 at 8:53 AM

FIFY, moron.

antipc on December 26, 2013 at 9:02 AM

Eight ways to opt out of 0boobaCare.

Akzed on December 26, 2013 at 9:02 AM

My 27 y/o son, full-time college student with a part-time job, put off until nearly the last minute enrolling through the exchange, largely because of all the issues, and partly because of not being sure he wanted the insurance at all. His employer dropped all p/t employees from the group plan due to Obamacare, and in the end, he decided he wanted the insurance.

His group plan cost him under $100 a month, and covered all the stuff he needed. It was a decent plan. After trying – and failing – to enroll online (the document upload wouldn’t work so ID verification never completed), and then spending hours on hold, he finally got a human to help out. After gathering all the data he’d already entered online, he found out he would NOT qualify for any subsidy (he only makes around $8000-9000 a year) and his plan would cost him $237 a month. We’re Virginia which didn’t expand Medicaid, so his choices are to go broke paying for insurance or go uncovered.

Thanks, Democrats!

flipflop on December 26, 2013 at 9:07 AM

your moniker is such a joke! your post is as far from rational thought as can be

nonpartisan on December 26, 2013 at 8:52 AM

thats real retarded sur.

dmacleo on December 26, 2013 at 9:08 AM

nonpartisan on December 26, 2013 at 8:53 AM

Obstruction of evil is a worthy cause.

dominigan on December 26, 2013 at 9:12 AM

your moniker is such a joke! your post is as far from rational thought as can be

nonpartisan, Juris Doctor on December 26, 2013 at 8:52 AM

It’s a good thing you’re nonintelligentpartisan, isn’t it?

NotCoach on December 26, 2013 at 9:12 AM

Thanks, Democrats!

flipflop on December 26, 2013 at 9:07 AM

why in hell is your son still in college fulltime at 27?

nonpartisan on December 26, 2013 at 9:13 AM

your moniker is such a joke! your post is as far from rational thought as can be

nonpartisan on December 26, 2013 at 8:52 AM

What, exactly, is irrational about expecting filthy, greasy, lazy, shiftless, no-good liars to continue their filthy, greasy, lazy, shiftless, no-ggod lying ways…?

JohnGalt23 on December 26, 2013 at 9:13 AM

We’re in Virginia which didn’t expand Medicaid, so his choices are to go broke paying for insurance or go uncovered.

Thanks, Democrats!

flipflop on December 26, 2013 at 9:07 AM

You apparently didn’t get the Obama memo explaining that you’re supposed to blame the Republican’s in Virginia.

(Even then, full-time college students should not be eligible for Medicaid.)

Carnac on December 26, 2013 at 9:15 AM

why in hell is your son still in college fulltime at 27?

nonpartisan, Juris Dcotor on December 26, 2013 at 9:13 AM

You tell us, Harvard Law grad. And while you’re at it do us all a favor and punch yourself in the mouth.

NotCoach on December 26, 2013 at 9:18 AM

why in hell is your son still in college fulltime at 27?

nonpartisan on December 26, 2013 at 9:13 AM

Why the hell is the government interfering with the single most personal aspect of our lives?

antipc on December 26, 2013 at 9:20 AM

why in hell is your son still in college fulltime at 27?

nonpartisan on December 26, 2013 at 9:13 AM

Think outside the box a little.

e.g. Master’s, PhD, medical/law school, ex-military returning to school.

Or even an “awakening” that not getting an undergraduate degree was a bad idea.

Carnac on December 26, 2013 at 9:21 AM

Evidently it’s time for King Barack’s “Plan B” – blame the Republicans!

GarandFan on December 26, 2013 at 9:22 AM

The uninsured will be given amnesty. Progressives and Liberals are so brainwashed by this administration and media that these “growing pains” won’t matter much. And now that the insurance companies have been subjugated and victimized by the White House the bailout and single-payer system won’t be far behind. What or who will stop them… media? Republicans? Electorate?

MT on December 26, 2013 at 9:22 AM

why in hell is your son still in college fulltime at 27?
nonpartisan on December 26, 2013 at 9:13 AM

Maybe he started when he was 26…? One thing’s for sure, it’s certainly your business.

Akzed on December 26, 2013 at 9:22 AM

NonPartisan

If only republicans weren’t so partisanly obstructionist it would be smoother sailing for obamacare by now.

Answer one of the following questions.

1) How did the Republicans cause the website to self destruct?
2) How did the Republicans put the words “if you like your insurance you can keep your insurance” in the Presidents mouth
3) How did the Republicans put the words “the average family will save $2500 a year in health insurace costs” in the Presidents mouth

I’ll wait and thanks for playing.

Walter L. Newton on December 26, 2013 at 9:23 AM

why in hell is your son still in college fulltime at 27?

nonpartisan on December 26, 2013 at 9:13 AM

If I thought it was any of your damned business I might tell you.

flipflop on December 26, 2013 at 9:24 AM

your moniker is such a joke! your post is as far from rational thought as can be

nonpartisan on December 26, 2013 at 8:52 AM

…pot…kettle…and all that!

KOOLAID2 on December 26, 2013 at 9:26 AM

The perverted thing about this is that if my son made $12000 a year, he’d qualify for a subsidy, and end up paying per year for insurance ($240) what he’s expected to pay per month at his current pay.

Tell me again how this law is supposed to help low income people?

flipflop on December 26, 2013 at 9:27 AM

What, exactly, is irrational about expecting filthy, greasy, lazy, shiftless, no-good liars to continue their filthy, greasy, lazy, shiftless, no-ggod lying ways…?

JohnGalt23 on December 26, 2013 at 9:13 AM

filthy, greasy, lazy, shiftless…really? REALLY? that’s the words you want to use to describe our black president? oh, of course you don’t have a racist bone in your body *rolls eyes*

nonpartisan on December 26, 2013 at 9:29 AM

nonpartisan on December 26, 2013 at 8:52 AM

This stupid jerkoff hasn’t figured out that in true liberal fashion the Demonrats haven’t fixed health care for the 15%, they eff’d it up for the 85%.

antipc on December 26, 2013 at 9:29 AM

Forgot to post this link with my last comment…Obamacare subsidy calculator.

flipflop on December 26, 2013 at 9:30 AM

filthy, greasy, lazy, shiftless…really? REALLY? that’s the words you want to use to describe our black president? oh, of course you don’t have a racist bone in your body *rolls eyes*

nonpartisan on December 26, 2013 at 9:29 AM

This is what a well informed argument sounds like.

antipc on December 26, 2013 at 9:31 AM

The race card! Things are getting desperate over at OFA.

Rational Thought on December 26, 2013 at 9:35 AM

If I thought it was any of your damned business I might tell you.

flipflop on December 26, 2013 at 9:24 AM

well, if you want me to subsidize your son’s health insurance, it is sorta my business

nonpartisan on December 26, 2013 at 9:36 AM

This is what a well informed argument sounds like.

antipc on December 26, 2013 at 9:31 AM

I thought maybe he was auditioning for Monty Python’s Twit of the Year competition.

NotCoach on December 26, 2013 at 9:36 AM

why in hell is your son still in college fulltime at 27?
nonpartisan on December 26, 2013 at 9:13 AM

Per the government definition kids are kids until they are 26.College may not begin until they are 27.

docflash on December 26, 2013 at 9:36 AM

At some point the ins companies are going to have to face their stock holders and explain all their corrupt, illegal deals with Obama….won’t be pretty.

devan95 on December 26, 2013 at 9:39 AM

well, if you want me to subsidize your son’s health insurance, it is sorta my business

nonpartisan on December 26, 2013 at 9:36 AM

A PERFECT illustration of the fascism inherent in O-Care! Thank you!

(Are you doing that ironic thing — or was this accidental liberal truth telling? Sometimes it’s hard to tell the difference.)

Rational Thought on December 26, 2013 at 9:39 AM

If only republicans weren’t so partisanly obstructionist it would be smoother sailing for obamacare by now.

MT on December 26, 2013 at 8:50 AM

fify

nonpartisan on December 26, 2013 at 8:53 AM

SO that’s why the website isn’t working-the thought waves from the Republicans are causing electrical interference.

I wonder what’s going on in Oregon, though, pure Democrats, but they haven’t been able to use their website to sign up a single person. Damn those obstructionist Republicans.

talkingpoints on December 26, 2013 at 9:39 AM

Will Obamacare be repealed or won’t it? Will Congress fund it or won’t it? Will the web site be fixed or not? Blah, blah, blah. We the people just need to do what we need to do and Congress be damned. Resist. Refuse. Revolt. EXEMPT OURSELVES! We did not comply with Prohibition and we simply should not comply with Obamacare. For religious reasons. For privacy reasons. For the cause of liberty and freedom and in protest of the idea that the federal government (under one party rule, no less), can force private citizens to purchase anything with our own money. Are we citizens or subjects? Mice or (wo)men? Just say NO to socialism and to the corrupt, unionized, far left IRS: the gestapo of America’s political class. After all, the federal government ignores millions of illegals who are breaking U.S. immigration law every day. Our Founders pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor. All we have to do is just say no to a scheme we all know is un-American and a violation of our most basic founding fundamentals of privacy, self reliance, limited government and individual freedom.

devan95 on December 26, 2013 at 9:40 AM

nonpartisan on December 26, 2013 at 9:36 AM

Son, you’ve already won the job as the Hot Air Village Idiot. You don’t need to reapply every day.

HumpBot Salvation on December 26, 2013 at 9:40 AM

If I thought it was any of your damned business I might tell you.

flipflop on December 26, 2013 at 9:24 AM

well, if you want me to subsidize your son’s health insurance, it is sorta my business

nonpartisan on December 26, 2013 at 9:36 AM

A hanging curve ball, which I leave to others, more eloquent than I, to bat out of the park.

esr1951 on December 26, 2013 at 9:40 AM

well, if you want me to subsidize your son’s health insurance, it is sorta my business

nonpartisan, Juris Doctor on December 26, 2013 at 9:36 AM

I see you haven’t punched yourself in the mouth yet.

Perhaps it’s time to get the government out of the healthcare business? That way you can limit your concern to yourself and your wasted Harvard Law years.

NotCoach on December 26, 2013 at 9:40 AM

How To Opt Out Of Obamacare

Know your options and become savvy self-pay patients

Join a health care sharing ministry. These are voluntary, charitable membership organizations that agree to share medical bills among the membership. They function similar to insurance, and are probably the best alternative to conventional health insurance. There are four of them, at least that I know of. Three are open only to practicing Christians (Samaritan Ministries, Christian Healthcare Ministries, and Christian Care Ministry) while a fourth, Liberty HealthShare, is open to anyone who agrees with their ethical commitment to religious liberty. They operate entirely outside of Obamacare’s regulations, and typically offer benefits for about half the cost of similar health insurance. Members are also exempt from having to pay the tax for being uninsured.

From the article by Sean Parnell

http://thefederalist.com/2013/12/04/opt-obamacare/#.Up9MwGKiM_o.email

devan95 on December 26, 2013 at 9:41 AM

well, if you want me to subsidize your son’s health insurance, it is sorta my business

nonpartisan on December 26, 2013 at 9:36 AM

The classic illustration of Progressivism.

Carnac on December 26, 2013 at 9:41 AM

A PERFECT illustration of the fascism inherent in O-Care! Thank you!

(Are you doing that ironic thing — or was this accidental liberal truth telling? Sometimes it’s hard to tell the difference.)

Rational Thought on December 26, 2013 at 9:39 AM

“is ironic anything like chronic?” – nonintelligent, Juris Doctor

NotCoach on December 26, 2013 at 9:43 AM

I will never, ever believe one bit of “data” the regime releases about this program. It will ALL be lies. The numbers will ALL be lies. The “success stories” will be ALL lies. That is simply a given, and anyone who feels differently has his or her head so deep in the sand there is no hope there. This entire mess started on lies, will be run on lies, and will collapse on lies.

Rational Thought on December 26, 2013 at 8:50 AM

your moniker is such a joke! your post is as far from rational thought as can be

nonpartisan on December 26, 2013 at 8:52 AM

nonpartisan is right. It does not seem rational to just claim that Obama is lying, because after all we do know that Obama will tell the truth if it will help him, and I am sure the administration can find half-truths that work for them. so we now know that nonpartisan is at least smart enough to take the easy shots. Of course, nonpartisan is as far from nonpartisan thought as can be.

thuja on December 26, 2013 at 9:43 AM

well, if you want me to subsidize your son’s health insurance, it is sorta my business

nonpartisan on December 26, 2013 at 9:36 AM

Oh and scooter, we subsidized your Hahvard education. We want our money back.

HumpBot Salvation on December 26, 2013 at 9:45 AM

well, if you want me to subsidize your son’s health insurance, it is sorta my business

nonpartisan on December 26, 2013 at 9:36 AM

Actually, I don’t think that was the case. Things were going just fine until the Democrats f’d it up.

His group plan cost him under $100 a month, and covered all the stuff he needed. It was a decent plan. After trying – and failing – to enroll online (the document upload wouldn’t work so ID verification never completed), and then spending hours on hold, he finally got a human to help out. After gathering all the data he’d already entered online, he found out he would NOT qualify for any subsidy (he only makes around $8000-9000 a year) and his plan would cost him $237 a month. We’re Virginia which didn’t expand Medicaid, so his choices are to go broke paying for insurance or go uncovered.

Thanks, Democrats!

flipflop on December 26, 2013 at 9:07 AM

Having cost this young man his insurance by passing Obamacare, you need to make the situation right by subsidizing his insurance, no matter why he is in college at 27.

Think back to torts and making the plaintiff whole.

talkingpoints on December 26, 2013 at 9:46 AM

Obamacare will be a success story for some consumers.It will also be a disaster story for some consumers. It depends on what number is larger.

However Obamacare will never be self-sustaining as designed. It will be a drain on the US treasury(and taxpayers) for the foreseable future.

gerrym51 on December 26, 2013 at 9:47 AM

That way you can limit your concern to yourself and your wasted Harvard Law years.

NotCoach on December 26, 2013 at 9:40 AM

why are you so obsessed with my Harvard pedigree?

this is why I hate telling people IRL I graduated from Harvard, because their inferiority complex and envy inevitably seeps through

whenever someone asks where I went to school, I try to reply nonchalantly as possible, “Harvard”, but you can almost always tell by their eye reaction the mental adjustment they have to make factoring that I went to Harvard…it’s priceless

nonpartisan on December 26, 2013 at 9:47 AM

thuja on December 26, 2013 at 9:43 AM

LOL, someone dumber than nonpartisan.

Obama LIES. About everything. Whether he needs to or not. It’s his and his administrations default position.

And since when is a half-truth the TRUTH?

HumpBot Salvation on December 26, 2013 at 9:48 AM

Obama will tell the truth
thuja on December 26, 2013 at 9:43 AM

Link, please.

talkingpoints on December 26, 2013 at 9:48 AM

filthy, greasy, lazy, shiftless…really? REALLY? that’s the words you want to use to describe our black president? oh, of course you don’t have a racist bone in your body *rolls eyes*

nonpartisan on December 26, 2013 at 9:29 AM

‘nonpartisan’ is exactly correct. We cast the majority of the blame for Obama, not on his African seed, but instead upon his WHITE mama and his WHITE grandparents who failed to raise him correctly.

A properly raised child is taught NOT TO LIE at every turn. His WHITE up-bringing is to be blamed for that.

Carnac on December 26, 2013 at 9:48 AM

Think back to torts and making the plaintiff whole.

talkingpoints on December 26, 2013 at 9:46 AM

LMAO! Awesome.

“torts? cherry torts?” – nonintelligent, Juris Doctor

NotCoach on December 26, 2013 at 9:49 AM

As far as the IRS “breathing down your neck,” that’s all they can do, they cannot apply any penalties, interest, or liens for failure to comply. Also, in states without exchanges, they cannot even apply the fines as the Dems assumed all states would set up exchanges for the federal law, which about half did not. DOOM!

devan95 on December 26, 2013 at 9:49 AM

why are you so obsessed with my Harvard pedigree?

this is why I hate telling people IRL I graduated from Harvard, because their inferiority complex and envy inevitably seeps through

whenever someone asks where I went to school, I try to reply nonchalantly as possible, “Harvard”, but you can almost always tell by their eye reaction the mental adjustment they have to make factoring that I went to Harvard…it’s priceless

nonpartisan on December 26, 2013 at 9:47 AM

LOL, guess they don’t teach self-awareness at harvard either.

HumpBot Salvation on December 26, 2013 at 9:49 AM

well, if you want me to subsidize your son’s health insurance, it is sorta my business

nonpartisan on December 26, 2013 at 9:36 AM

Need another shovel?

antipc on December 26, 2013 at 9:50 AM

why are you so obsessed with my Harvard pedigree?

this is why I hate telling people IRL I graduated from Harvard, because their inferiority complex and envy inevitably seeps through

whenever someone asks where I went to school, I try to reply nonchalantly as possible, “Harvard”, but you can almost always tell by their eye reaction the mental adjustment they have to make factoring that I went to Harvard…it’s priceless

nonpartisan, Juris Doctor on December 26, 2013 at 9:47 AM

You aren’t real. You can’t be.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, nonintelligent. Now go punch yourself in the mouth.

NotCoach on December 26, 2013 at 9:51 AM

devan95 on December 26, 2013 at 9:40 AM

+100

wolly4321 on December 26, 2013 at 9:51 AM

I don’t understand these people. Why is she applying for a 52 year old son? Why isn’t an education professor buying her own insurance? Are they looking for subsidies?

Blake on December 26, 2013 at 9:53 AM

Fascism…It’s what’s for breakfast

workingclass artist on December 26, 2013 at 9:55 AM

His group plan cost him under $100 a month, and covered all the stuff he needed. It was a decent plan. After trying – and failing – to enroll online (the document upload wouldn’t work so ID verification never completed), and then spending hours on hold, he finally got a human to help out. After gathering all the data he’d already entered online, he found out he would NOT qualify for any subsidy (he only makes around $8000-9000 a year) and his plan would cost him $237 a month. We’re Virginia which didn’t expand Medicaid, so his choices are to go broke paying for insurance or go uncovered.

Thanks, Democrats!

flipflop on December 26, 2013 at 9:07 AM

Having cost this young man his insurance by passing Obamacare, you need to make the situation right by subsidizing his insurance, no matter why he is in college at 27.

Think back to torts and making the plaintiff whole.

talkingpoints on December 26, 2013 at 9:46 AM

That way you can limit your concern to yourself and your wasted Harvard Law years.

NotCoach on December 26, 2013 at 9:40 AM

whenever someone asks where I went to school, I try to reply nonchalantly as possible, “Harvard”, but you can almost always tell by their eye reaction the mental adjustment they have to make factoring that I went to Harvard…it’s priceless

nonpartisan on December 26, 2013 at 9:47 AM

C’mon, Harvard. Educate us peons why the Democrats shouldn’t be responsible for the harm they caused this man by taking away his perfectly functional health insurance.

talkingpoints on December 26, 2013 at 9:55 AM

flipflop on December 26, 2013 at 9:07 AM

why in hell is your son still in college fulltime at 27?

nonpartisan on December 26, 2013 at 9:13 AM

I don’t know pudisan, Harvard law really helped you. Right?

arnold ziffel on December 26, 2013 at 9:56 AM

Obamacare, the dream of progressives, gets more and more like a South African necktie every day…

“You have to pass the Bill to see what’s in it.”

TOMBSTONE material, and the LEAD for every 2014 campaign commercial…

Khun Joe on December 26, 2013 at 9:57 AM

I don’t understand these people. Why is she applying for a 52 year old son? Why isn’t an education professor buying her own insurance? Are they looking for subsidies?

Blake on December 26, 2013 at 9:53 AM

someone here was applying for their 27 yr old son

nonpartisan on December 26, 2013 at 9:58 AM

but you can almost always tell by their eye reaction the mental adjustment they have to make factoring that I went to Harvard…it’s priceless

[nonpartisan on December 26, 2013 at 9:47 AM]

Yeah, they’re wondering how much of that they subsidized and how big of a waste it was.

Dusty on December 26, 2013 at 10:02 AM

I don’t understand these people. Why is she applying for a 52 year old son? Why isn’t an education professor buying her own insurance? Are they looking for subsidies?

Blake on December 26, 2013 at 9:53 AM

someone here was applying for their 27 yr old son

nonpartisan on December 26, 2013 at 9:58 AM

No. That is not what he said. His post clearly states that his 27 year old son did the application.

Maybe they don’t teach reading at Harvard.

esr1951 on December 26, 2013 at 10:05 AM

C’mon, Harvard. Educate us peons why the Democrats shouldn’t be responsible for the harm they caused this man by taking away his perfectly functional health insurance.

talkingpoints on December 26, 2013 at 9:55 AM

No response, Harvard?

someone here was applying for their 27 yr old son

nonpartisan on December 26, 2013 at 9:58 AM

Who is a full time college student, barely on the threshhold of adulthood per the Democrat standard of 26 year olds being on their parent’s insurance. Hey, if this is the first time he has to come of his mother’s insurance, it would make sense for her to help given that the process is so challenging. Maybe she wants him to study instead of spending hours to days to weeks dealing with the website.

talkingpoints on December 26, 2013 at 10:07 AM

If only republicans weren’t so partisanly obstructionist it would be smoother sailing for obamacare by now.

nonpartisan on December 26, 2013 at 8:53 AM

Anyone want to clue junior in on who has issued every waiver, exemption and delay?

antipc on December 26, 2013 at 10:07 AM

Obama will tell the truth
thuja on December 26, 2013 at 9:43 AM

Link, please.

talkingpoints on December 26, 2013 at 9:48 AM

There is a point where quoting a few words out of context becomes outright lying.

thuja on December 26, 2013 at 10:07 AM

then spending hours on hold, he finally got a human to help out. After gathering all the data he’d already entered online, he found out he would NOT qualify for any subsidy (he only makes around $8000-9000 a year) and his plan would cost him $237 a month.

flipflop on December 26, 2013 at 9:07 AM

someone here was applying for their 27 yr old son

nonpartisan on December 26, 2013 at 9:58 AM

Apparantly Harvard doesn’t do reading comprehension.

antipc on December 26, 2013 at 10:12 AM

There is a point where quoting a few words out of context becomes outright lying.

thuja on December 26, 2013 at 10:07 AM

Where’s your sense of humor?

It was meant as a jokel I’m sure Obama would tell the truth if it was to his advantage, it’s just that situation is fairly rare.

talkingpoints on December 26, 2013 at 10:12 AM

Maybe they don’t teach reading at Harvard.

esr1951 on December 26, 2013 at 10:05 AM

Maybe he could publish his entire pedigree so we can better gear our conversations to his capabilities.

Dusty on December 26, 2013 at 10:14 AM

why in hell is your son still in college fulltime at 27?

nonpartisan on December 26, 2013 at 9:13 AM

I was in college when I was 27 earning my M.S. degree. I did a little thingy in Southeast Asia while in the Marine Corps before going to school. Maybe you should think first.

celtic warrior on December 26, 2013 at 10:20 AM

why are you so obsessed with my Harvard pedigree?

nonpartisan on December 26, 2013 at 9:47 AM

Personally, for me, I’m about as concerned with your Harvard pedigree as I would be concerned about the pedigree of a mutt in the street. Both of you are capable of being ass-lickers no matter what your pedigree.

You’re not fooling anyone (well except yourself). You come in here, drop turds, refuse to answer intelligent questions asked of you and you get into pissing matches with trivial comment.

Reflecting over my last paragraph, I must correct myself, I am concerned with your Harvard pedigree… and whether you farted away all that money (or public money) to graduate with no debating skills, to ability to form logical and intelligent questions and a total lack of honesty.

I stand corrected.

Walter L. Newton on December 26, 2013 at 10:21 AM

My 27 y/o son, full-time college student with a part-time job, put off until nearly the last minute enrolling through the exchange, largely because of all the issues, and partly because of not being sure he wanted the insurance at all. His employer dropped all p/t employees from the group plan due to Obamacare, and in the end, he decided he wanted the insurance.

His group plan cost him under $100 a month, and covered all the stuff he needed. It was a decent plan. After trying – and failing – to enroll online (the document upload wouldn’t work so ID verification never completed), and then spending hours on hold, he finally got a human to help out. After gathering all the data he’d already entered online, he found out he would NOT qualify for any subsidy (he only makes around $8000-9000 a year) and his plan would cost him $237 a month. We’re Virginia which didn’t expand Medicaid, so his choices are to go broke paying for insurance or go uncovered.

Thanks, Democrats!

flipflop on December 26, 2013 at 9:07 AM

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why in hell is your son still in college fulltime at 27?

nonpartisan on December 26, 2013 at 9:13 AM
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If I thought it was any of your damned business I might tell you.

flipflop on December 26, 2013 at 9:24 AM

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well, if you want me to subsidize your son’s health insurance, it is sorta my business

nonpartisan on December 26, 2013 at 9:36 AM

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None of us CONSERVATIVES … want YOU or anyone else … subsidizing our health (‘medical’, actually) insurance … period.

listens2glenn on December 26, 2013 at 10:22 AM

There is a point where quoting a few words out of context becomes outright lying.

[thuja on December 26, 2013 at 10:07 AM]

Talkingpoints excerpt of your full comment can stand on it’s own. All he wants is a few examples of Obama telling the truth. It’s hard to tell sometimes. Take for example, even personal information on Obama from Obama. He sold himself indirectly in his bookselling bio as not being from the US, then changes it after he starts his run for President and the info is deleted when found. So, on his birth place he chalks up one lie and one truth on the tote board, but the question remains, should he really get the benefit of having told the truth after he lied about it. Some might, some might not, and I can’t blame the latter for having that stance.

It’s would be easy to put that question out of the way and have everyone in agreement that Obama is capable of telling the truth. Just provide a couple links.

Dusty on December 26, 2013 at 10:24 AM

filthy, greasy, lazy, shiftless…really? REALLY? that’s the words you want to use to describe our black president? oh, of course you don’t have a racist bone in your body *rolls eyes*

nonpartisan on December 26, 2013 at 9:29 AM

Same words could be applied to Clinton as far as I’m concerned (along with a few choice others), and last time I checked, he wasn’t black.

I was unaware those words could only be applied to black people, but thanks for letting me know how your mind works.

tdpwells on December 26, 2013 at 10:26 AM

well, if you want me to subsidize your son’s health insurance, it is sorta my business

nonpartisan on December 26, 2013 at 9:36 AM

Holy sh!t, you’re really not all that bright, are you? He was doing just fine – with no taxpayer subsidies – before Obamacare was passed. You and your fellow Democrats have so thoroughly broken the health insurance industry with this misbegotten steaming pile of crap that his choices are (a) no coverage or (b) spending half his income on insurance.

flipflop on December 26, 2013 at 10:28 AM

Someone should ignore the mandate and then when they’re penalized, sue the government under the Equal Protection Clause due to the uneven way in which Obama has decided to enforce the mandate.

PackerBronco on December 26, 2013 at 10:31 AM

And according to the Sacramento Bee yesterday, many of those people who did sign up for private insurance can’t verify enrollment — even those who signed up right away rather than wait for the last minute:

I’m not so sure this should say “according to the Sacromento Bee”. Yeah, it appears to be a news item — it’s in the news section — but the byline for story is:

By Sarah Hellesen
CHCF Center for Health Reporting

She’s not an employee of the SB and that is explained in the footnote.

Who knows how accurate this is or who paid the tab for the story.

Dusty on December 26, 2013 at 10:33 AM

filthy, greasy, lazy, shiftless…really? REALLY? that’s the words you want to use to describe our black president? oh, of course you don’t have a racist bone in your body *rolls eyes*

nonpartisan on December 26, 2013 at 9:29 AM

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Same words could be applied to Clinton as far as I’m concerned (along with a few choice others), and last time I checked, he wasn’t black.

I was unaware those words could only be applied to black people, but thanks for letting me know how your mind works.

tdpwells on December 26, 2013 at 10:26 AM

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“filthy, greasy, lazy, shiftless” are valid words for describing ANY ‘progressive’ politician.

Barack Obama meets the qualifying criteria.

When liberals are cornered, they play the “race card.”

*rolls eyes*

listens2glenn on December 26, 2013 at 10:33 AM

well, if you want me to subsidize your son’s health insurance, it is sorta my business nonpartisan on December 26, 2013 at 9:36 AM

I don’t think he wants that. Just a hunch.

Akzed on December 26, 2013 at 10:33 AM

If you subtract those put on medicaid,those who can’t get insurance anywhere else,those who think they are on but really arent,those who are getting part of their insurance paid for by us; that leaves four that signed up voluntarily. Those four are paying triple what they paid before.
It leaves one speechless.

rodguy911 on December 26, 2013 at 10:36 AM

LOL.

News flash: When, upon learning you’ve graduated from Harvard, someone gives you a perplexed look, trying to bring together the dissonance occurring in his brain, making that “mental adjustment” you say you’ve noticed — it means he is wondering how you could have had access to such an elite education and come out at the other end so goddamned stupid.

Sheesh. The accidental liberal truth telling is thick today.

Rational Thought on December 26, 2013 at 10:36 AM

If I thought it was any of your damned business I might tell you.

flipflop on December 26, 2013 at 9:24 AM

well, if you want me to subsidize your son’s health insurance, it is sorta my business

nonpartisan on December 26, 2013 at 9:36 AM

so now you want the law dumped too?
you begged for it, live with it.
choke on it.

dmacleo on December 26, 2013 at 10:39 AM

Where’s your sense of humor?

It was meant as a jokel I’m sure Obama would tell the truth if it was to his advantage, it’s just that situation is fairly rare.

talkingpoints on December 26, 2013 at 10:12 AM

Sorry! I stand corrected. I’ll work on that sense of humor thing.

thuja on December 26, 2013 at 10:42 AM

LOL.

News flash: When, upon learning you’ve graduated from Harvard, someone gives you a perplexed look, trying to bring together the dissonance occurring in his brain, making that “mental adjustment” you say you’ve noticed — it means he is wondering how you could have had access to such an elite education and come out at the other end so goddamned stupid.

Sheesh. The accidental liberal truth telling is thick today.

Rational Thought on December 26, 2013 at 10:36 AM

Can’t tell you how many times I’ve run into Ivy League folks with lots of book smarts and zero common sense. Ergo the book smarts are completely useless without the common sense needed to apply said knowledge.

tdpwells on December 26, 2013 at 11:01 AM

Phuck Obamacare…. I will not obey unjust laws or submit to unjust practices. Non-cooperation with evil is as much a moral obligation as is cooperation with good.

MLK

roflmmfao

donabernathy on December 26, 2013 at 11:21 AM

A friend of mine who is married with 4 kids just told me on Christmas Eve that she was trying to get their insurance squared away. He is a farmer and she is a contract employee working from home. As of right now, he is able to buy insurance from the exchange, but she and the 4 kids are supposed to get Medicaid, with the state making the final determination if they really are going to be split up like that or not.

Has anyone else heard of this situation, where one family gets split up like this?

cptacek on December 26, 2013 at 11:22 AM

you can almost always tell by their eye reaction the mental adjustment they have to make factoring that I went to Harvard…it’s priceless

nonpartisan on December 26, 2013 at 9:47 AM

That’s because you look as stupid as you sound so they can’t imagine you even graduated from high school.

BeachBum on December 26, 2013 at 11:26 AM

you can almost always tell by their eye reaction the mental adjustment they have to make factoring that I went to Harvard…it’s priceless

nonpartisan on December 26, 2013 at 9:47 AM

That’s because you look as stupid as you sound so they can’t imagine you even graduated from high school.

BeachBum on December 26, 2013 at 11:26 AM

Similar to the eye reaction of leftists when they make the mental adjustment of factoring that Stupid Chimpy McBush went to Yale.

Bishop on December 26, 2013 at 11:33 AM

why are you so obsessed with my Harvard pedigree?

this is why I hate telling people IRL I graduated from Harvard, because their inferiority complex and envy inevitably seeps through

whenever someone asks where I went to school, I try to reply nonchalantly as possible, “Harvard”, but you can almost always tell by their eye reaction the mental adjustment they have to make factoring that I went to Harvard…it’s priceless

nonpartisan on December 26, 2013 at 9:47 AM

It’s because we know Harvard Law School graduates insist Ted Cruz won a statewide office by “gerrymandering”.

That’s what Harvard taught you, child, just like Yale taught Sheila Jackson-Lee that the United States landed astronauts on Mars.

You demonstrate that these places do not educate; they rubber-stamp stupidity, as is clear from the ignorance of their graduates like Barack Obama.

northdallasthirty on December 26, 2013 at 11:42 AM

northdallasthirty on December 26, 2013 at 11:42 AM

Credentialed, but not educated.

Saw this on Twitter last week after that Harvard student called in a bomb threat to avoid finals: Harvard student faces federal charges for calling in bomb threat – and possibly a B+.

Sums it up pretty nicely.

Rational Thought on December 26, 2013 at 11:53 AM

Funny stuff. We’re supposed to widen our eyes and drop our finger sandwiches the moment someone mentions they attended Harvard.

The better question is why someone would have to try and mention it nonchalantly, as if they expect people to be awestruck.

Bishop on December 26, 2013 at 12:00 PM

why are you so obsessed with my Harvard pedigree?

nonpartisan on December 26, 2013 at 9:47 AM

Because unless you’re a legacy or making a self-deprecating attempt at humor– of which you are manifestly incapable– you would not refer to your education or diploma as a “pedigree.”

You would also know that flaunting a law or business degree from Harvard is– from a Harvard College grad’s point of view– tantamount to admitting that you didn’t make the first cut. The one that matters.

As Bill Buckley said of his Yale degree, you can get a better education at any number of colleges and universities in the country, but that is not what Yale is about. Just as Harvard isn’t about its law school. Your “eye roll” story is pathetically sad.

de rigueur on December 26, 2013 at 12:12 PM

Bishop on December 26, 2013 at 12:00 PM

The word uppity comes to mind.

antipc on December 26, 2013 at 12:22 PM

OVER
Bmore

KOOLAID2 on December 26, 2013 at 12:35 PM

why are you so obsessed with my Harvard pedigree?
nonpartisan on December 26, 2013 at 9:47 AM

75 years ago we wouldn’t have believed such a dolt graduated from Harvard.

Today we just say, “It figures.”

Akzed on December 26, 2013 at 12:42 PM

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