Quotes of the day

posted at 8:31 pm on December 26, 2013 by Allahpundit

More than half of the counties in 34 states using the federal health insurance exchange lack even a bronze plan that’s affordable — by the government’s own definition — for 40-year-old couples who make just a little too much for financial assistance, a USA TODAY analysis shows…

“The ACA was not designed to reduce costs or, the law’s name notwithstanding, to make health insurance coverage affordable for the vast majority of Americans,” says health care consultant Kip Piper, a former government and insurance industry official. “The law uses taxpayer dollars to lower costs for the low-income uninsured but it also increases costs overall and shifts costs within the marketplace.”…

Karen Pollitz, a senior fellow at the Kaiser Family Foundation, acknowledges that catastrophic and even bronze plans would be very difficult for many 40 or 50-something consumers to afford with their $5,000-$6,000 annual deductibles.

“Most people don’t have that kind of money in the bank, and I think it’s going to create problems for people,” Pollitz says.

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As hundreds of thousands enroll for coverage beginning Jan. 1, analysts are warning that the plans are likely to give them access to fewer doctors and hospitals. So much so, they warn, that the system could begin to resemble Medicaid, the health care program for low-income Americans.

“Indeed, I think this will eventually be like Medicaid,” said Merrill Matthews, director of the Council for Affordable Health Insurance…

Just as with Medicaid, analysts warn that if payments get too low, many doctors might start refusing to see patients. That will leave more and more patients jockeying to see fewer and fewer doctors…

“These networks are going to be jammed with people,” Robert Laszewski, president of Health Policy and Strategy Associates, said. “Far more than they’re treating now, and I don’t doubt that we’re going to have problems with access to these doctors. There just aren’t going to be enough of them.”

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If the Affordable Care Act can get through its first days of actual health coverage without big eruptions, the Obama administration may finally be able to move toward a narrative that focuses on how the law can work. But if it has to spend those days putting out more fires, the phrase “troubled rollout” won’t be going away anytime soon…

The point of the Affordable Care Act is to cover people who haven’t had health insurance before, and it may have already reached some of those people. But because they’re new to health insurance, they may be in for a rude shock: It doesn’t cover everything.

There are deductibles, for example — the amount of money you have to spend out of pocket before coverage kicks in — which can be very high with “bronze” Obamacare plans, the cheapest kind. There are also co-payments for office visits, as well as co-insurance, the percentage of medical expenses you have to pay even if most are covered by your insurance.

There’s no way to know how big an issue this could be before January arrives — but if newly insured people think they’re getting free health care, or just think the deductibles are too high, they could be disappointed with their first experiences with Obamacare.

***

After a month of trying, I still can’t complete an application to join the D.C. Health Exchange. For a week, the Obamacare marketplace asked me to prove my citizenship, my daughter’s existence, and my fixed address in the District of Columbia, but it would not allow me to submit the requested material…

But it’s not all bad. What I like is that I can access the D.C. exchange in twenty different languages, including Apache, Navajo, and Irish. Which is great because I see so many Irish here who have a heck of a time assimilating, what with the fact that they only speak Irish and not the King’s English. (You can also receive notices in American Sign Language—l’d make a joke here but I might offend the deaf. But I guess since they can’t read and need American Sign Language I might as well let one rip. But I’ll refrain nevertheless.)…

Obeisance to some banal multicultural diktat isn’t costless, and since I’m mad as hell about having wasted a good chunk of a month on this dysfunctional website and can’t find an obvious villain, I will hold in enmity whoever decided that the Navajo and the Irish needed to be able to navigate the D.C. Health Exchange in their native tongue, and condemn the system that concluded it was a necessary thing to do.

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COLBY: What do you think about these bailouts of insurance companies, as well? Could that happen?

YORK: It absolutely will happen –

COLBY: Will happen?!

YORK: As a matter of fact, it’s written into the law. There’s something called “risk corridors,” which basically ensure that if an insurance company ends up paying a lot more in benefits than it takes in in premiums, then the federal government will bail it out — it will make it good. And it looks like we are entering a situation — certainly in the first month of January — where the insurance companies will be in that situation. And they’e not going to take the losses. It will be the taxpayer who makes up for those losses.

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The enrollment figures may be well short of what the Obama administration had hoped for. But the fact that a significant number of Americans are now benefiting from the program is resulting in a subtle shift among Republicans.

“It’s no longer just a piece of paper that you can repeal and it goes away,” said Senator Ron Johnson, Republican of Wisconsin and a Tea Party favorite. “There’s something there. We have to recognize that reality. We have to deal with the people that are currently covered under Obamacare.”

And that underscores a central fact of American politics since Franklin D. Roosevelt signed the Social Security Act during the Depression: Once a benefit has been bestowed, it is nearly impossible to take it away.

***

It’s almost impressive how poorly the Obama administration managed the start of its signature achievement. What many envisioned as American liberalism’s crowning modern achievement looked instead like something out of a Marx Brothers movie—a comedy of errors, with each glitch leading to another larger failure.

Equally impressive, however, is the law’s staying power, at least so far. Liberal activists are weary, but still hopeful. Democrats in Congress are anxious and watchful, but only a few have started to defect. And the administration remains as firm in its defenses of the law as ever, even as the president’s poll numbers sag, and long-soft support for the law grows softer still.

What Obamacare has proven this year is not that it can work, but that it can survive, not so much as a specific legislative initiative, but as a policy idea and a political vision. Whether it can do more than that will require another year, at least, to know for sure.

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Yet opponents should not sit back and revel in dysfunction. The Affordable Care Act was enacted in response to genuine problems. Without a clear alternative, we will simply patch more, subsidize more, and ignore frauds and scandals, as we do in Medicare and other programs…

We can have a single government-run airline too. We can ban FedEx and UPS, and have a single-payer post office. We can have government-run telephones and TV. Thirty years ago every other country had all of these, and worthies said that markets couldn’t work for travel, package delivery, the “natural monopoly” of telephones and TV. Until we tried it. That the rest of the world spends less just shows how dysfunctional our current system is, not how a free market would work.

While economically straightforward, liberalization is always politically hard. Innovation and cost reduction require new businesses to displace familiar, well-connected incumbents. Protected businesses spawn “good jobs” for protected workers, dues for their unions, easy lives for their managers, political support for their regulators and politicians, and cushy jobs for health-policy wonks. Protection from competition allows private insurance to cross-subsidize Medicare, Medicaid, and emergency rooms.

But it can happen. The first step is, the American public must understand that there is an alternative. Stand up and demand it.

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Yet opponents should not sit back and revel in dysfunction. The Affordable Care Act was enacted in response to genuine problems. Without a clear alternative, we will simply patch more, subsidize more, and ignore frauds and scandals, as we do in Medicare and other programs…

Alternative:

Make health insurance more like auto insurance.
That is, make it for catastrophes only.

Do you use auto insurance to buy a new tire or get an oil change?
If auto insurance was like that, the industry would be as bloated, as inefficient, & as costly as health insurance is.

itsnotaboutme on December 26, 2013 at 8:38 PM

Mr. Cochrane is so, so correct. What we need is a free market, not the abominable insurance monster that’s been growing for the past 50 years.

Sadly, the GOP has already begun to fold.

PattyJ on December 26, 2013 at 8:41 PM

The enrollment figures may be well short of what the Obama administration had hoped for. But the fact that a significant number of Americans are now benefiting from the program is resulting in a subtle shift among Republicans.

600,000+ more people in Kentucky on Medicaid. No more Doctors who will see them, but by gosh, they are covered now, just you wait and see. Oh and in two years the Federal $$$ they used as a carrot to lure these new people in are gone and the State is on the hook for 100% of the increase in people on Medicaid. Can’t wait!

Johnnyreb on December 26, 2013 at 8:44 PM

More than half of the counties in 34 states using the federal health insurance exchange lack even a bronze plan that’s affordable — by the government’s own definition — for 40-year-old couples who make just a little too much for financial assistance, a USA TODAY analysis shows…

This means ObamaCare is a failure. A colossal failure.

SparkPlug on December 26, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Someone should make a chart showing how Obamacare effects people according to race. Does it take money from certain races and give it the money to other races? How can one know unless there’s a chart?

Buddahpundit on December 26, 2013 at 8:49 PM

Alternative:

Make health insurance more like auto insurance.
That is, make it for catastrophes only.

Do you use auto insurance to buy a new tire or get an oil change?
If auto insurance was like that, the industry would be as bloated, as inefficient, & as costly as health insurance is.

itsnotaboutme on December 26, 2013 at 8:38 PM

Never happen. You would literally put about 1 million people out of work and destroy entire industries that put in tons of $$ for lobbying Congress. The system is rigged against you.

Johnnyreb on December 26, 2013 at 8:51 PM

And that underscores a central fact of American politics since Franklin D. Roosevelt signed the Social Security Act during the Depression: Once a benefit has been bestowed, it is nearly impossible to take it away.

Actually, when the money becomes worthless, virtually everything about the government goes away.

Good times. Good times…

trigon on December 26, 2013 at 8:53 PM

Cochrane is right…

OmahaConservative on December 26, 2013 at 8:53 PM

What do they mean it won’t cover everything for the previously uninsured, we were told…uh…lefties want to chime-in here?

Bishop on December 26, 2013 at 8:59 PM

open insurance up to competition. Allow people to buy insurance across state lines.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 26, 2013 at 9:01 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on December 26, 2013 at 9:01 PM

You left out number 3 of the unholy triad of the US medical system. The one known as the lawsuit lottery.

cozmo on December 26, 2013 at 9:06 PM

Hey y’all. I’m beat and am gonna call it a night. See y’all ‘morrow.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 26, 2013 at 9:08 PM

It’s 46 degrees out on my front porch and I was minding my own business smoking and drinking a beer taking in the Christmas displays, and who shows up? Another 0bamadamned raccoon, that is who. Wish me luck–going for another beer…

OmahaConservative on December 26, 2013 at 9:08 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on December 26, 2013 at 9:08 PM

She said y’all

cozmo on December 26, 2013 at 9:09 PM

She said y’all…

cozmo on December 26, 2013 at 9:09 PM

Would love to hear her say it in person with her Chi-town accent…

OmahaConservative on December 26, 2013 at 9:14 PM

s 46 degrees out on my front porch
and I was minding my own business smoking and drinking a beer taking in the Christmas displays, and who shows up? Another 0bamadamned raccoon, that is who. Wish me luck–going for another beer… OmahaConservative on December 26, 2013 at 9:08 PM

Yer fetching the raccoon a beer?

wolly4321 on December 26, 2013 at 9:16 PM

prepping the battlefield for single payer.

their description of barry care is usually wrong. The co-insurance starts at first dollar. I.e. if you have a 300 dollar doctor bill..the bronze plan will pay 180, you will pay 120. Same with pharma co-pays. After the deductible is met, the plan will pay 100 percent.

so why the mis-reporting. Could be that they are stupid. Good chance. But the more they slime barry care, they more they get what the left really wants…the public option…single payer…wage control for docs…and hospitals. Price negotiations with pharma.

i.e. the Conyers bill…medicaid for All…well except the important people

but trust me on this…the leftist press is Not on the side of conservatives

r keller on December 26, 2013 at 9:18 PM

Yer fetching the raccoon a beer?

wolly4321 on December 26, 2013 at 9:16 PM

LOLZ! Nah, prepping my aim…

OmahaConservative on December 26, 2013 at 9:20 PM

So Cozmo likes Zima and Yoko Ono more than Beer and Led Zeppelin?

Wow. He is a crazy cat.

Hi Twerp.

SparkPlug on December 26, 2013 at 9:21 PM

Must not blame the Soviet bakeries for the Soviet bread lines!

viking01 on December 26, 2013 at 9:29 PM

Meanwhile, get legislation ready to eliminate bailouts for insurance companies. Force Obamacare supporters to defend them.

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on December 26, 2013 at 9:30 PM

If you think they are completely inane now, wait to see how these retards babble after Democrat/ChoomCare has been repealed…

The Affordable Care Act’s free-market economics

FIRST, PRESIDENT Obama’s Affordable Care Act (ACA) forced millions to switch their insurance plans. Now, critics say, those people can’t keep their doctors, either. Another broken promise? More proof the ACA is a disaster?

Not quite: As with all of those canceled policies, this “outrage” isn’t good evidence that the law is flawed, no matter what the president may have promised.

The issue is that some of the people who must switch health plans are transitioning into policies with narrow networks that don’t always include the doctors, hospitals and other providers they used before. Anecdotes have emerged of people parting with physicians they’ve trusted for years.

Yet, even for people who have never switched plans, this sort of thing happened well before the ACA; insurers constantly negotiate with providers over inclusion in coverage networks and payment rates. Doing so is one way insurers can keep costs down in the individual insurance market. In the past, other ways to control costs included skimping on benefits and turning away the sick and the old. Now, the ACA is about to stop the last two practices, a key, and popular, feature of the law. That leaves trimming provider networks as one of the last tools open to insurers to restrain premiums.

Meantime, the ACA obliges insurers to compete for business on new and more transparent markets. Insurance companies have generally responded by offering policies at a range of price points and a range of networks. If people want a wide network with lots of doctors participating, they can pay for one. If they would rather keep their premiums down, they can buy into a narrower network or sign up for a plan that demands they pay more of their health costs. For the uninsured — a huge portion of those who will be on the ACA’s new marketplaces — any of those would be a step up. After factoring in government subsidies, many transitioning off policies they had in the individual insurance markets will have a good deal, too.

The ACA won’t leave everyone better off. There will be a few people who will end up having to pay more than they used to for access to networks of comparable size. There are also some places that don’t have enough competitors in the marketplace, which means some people won’t have every option.

Still, Republicans, many of whom claim to favor market approaches to expanding health-care coverage but oppose excluding patients with preexisting conditions, can’t credibly balk at the natural results of competition organized under those very principles. No one can expect low premiums and near-unlimited service, particularly in a system designed to spread costs around so that the sick and the old can finally obtain decent health coverage from private insurers. That’s not a mistake. It’s economics.

Anti-Control on December 26, 2013 at 9:33 PM

What many envisioned as American liberalism’s crowning modern achievement looked instead like something out of a Marx Brothers movie

No, many of us envisioned it as something out of another Marx, Karl Marx’s Das Kapital.

TXUS on December 26, 2013 at 9:40 PM

yep….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ihq9W9RlNOE

did ya really think liars and money-whores could do anything else?

roflmfao

donabernathy on December 26, 2013 at 9:41 PM

to quote al sharpton

on obamacare…. “resist we much”

roflmmfao

donabernathy on December 26, 2013 at 9:44 PM

Is it too early for an “Obama countdown” clock?? As is, when he leaves office…

Khun Joe on December 26, 2013 at 9:44 PM

LOLZ! Nah, prepping my aim…

OmahaConservative on December 26, 2013 at 9:20 PM

I wish I could shoot them out here on the ranch. I’ve got one roaming around that’s too big to fit in the Hav-A-Heart trap. Last time I baited it and set it out he flipped the trap over and took the bait. And, I had it chained down. Sucker’s huge.

I think it’s laughing at me.

trigon on December 26, 2013 at 9:53 PM

Is it too early for an “Obama countdown” clock?? As is, when he leaves office…

Khun Joe on December 26, 2013 at 9:44 PM

A USA countdown clock may precede that one, if we don’t win the senate and keep the house this November.

TXUS on December 26, 2013 at 9:54 PM

trigon on December 26, 2013 at 9:53 PM

I wish I could shoot ‘em here in the city. They are the bane of my existence…

OmahaConservative on December 26, 2013 at 9:56 PM

Is it too early for an “Obama countdown” clock?? As is, when he leaves office…

Khun Joe on December 26, 2013 at 9:44 PM

khun Joe:You Rang:0
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Countdown until Obama is OUT OF OFFICE
********* ***** ***** ** *** ** ******

1047 days
25139 hours
1508387 minutes
90503277 seconds
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until Tuesday, November 8, 2016 at 7:00:00 AM (San Bernardino time)

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/to?iso=20161108T07&p0=611&msg=Countdown+until+Obama+is+OUT+OF+OFFICE

canopfor on December 26, 2013 at 10:13 PM

The question is will King Barky leave willingly along with his stooge Sleazy Eric Holder?

viking01 on December 26, 2013 at 10:16 PM

Obama – The first Misanthrope President.

VorDaj on December 26, 2013 at 10:17 PM

Equally impressive, however, is the law’s staying power, at least so far …
What Obamacare has proven this year is not that it can work, but that it can survive, not so much as a specific legislative initiative, but as a policy idea and a political vision.

I don’t think there even is something known as a health care law anymore, I think it’s a health care vision. Obama is free to enforce the parts of the law he wants to enforce, ignore the parts he wants to ignore, have it apply to some people and not to others, all based on his whims and what he thinks will benefit him politically.

What I want to see is a group of people ignore the mandate and then sue the government when they tried to enforce the mandate, basing their defense on the Equal Protection Clause.

PackerBronco on December 26, 2013 at 10:25 PM

Found something out about the Affordable Care Act. Don’t know if I’m right or not but it looks important. I don’t know how to write it up but here goes my best shot at it. A recent study using a made up Healthcare web site showed that if the consumer had as many as 4 choices that they had only a little better chance to pick the best then having one randomly assigned. at 8 choices they had a better chance at a randomly assigned policy. When given to MBA marketing candidates they could handle up to 8 choices.

Why is this important?
Florida gives 76 choices
Illinois gives 65 choices
Virginia gives 25 choices
Missouri gives 5 choices

If the study about choices is correct then one must believe that the average person doesn’t have a chance of picking what is good for them.

The next part of this is to think of a way to determine best value. I looked at the cost of the policy as a net sum zero game. This is the bases of most tort law. One is to neither gain or lose from the action. To do this I just added the total annual premium to the total out of pocket costs to come up with a total net sum zero policy cost.

To make this simpler to compare and in order to generate the information I used a 30 year old single male that has a gross annual income of $19,400.00 a year this is about $3.00/hr above minimum wage for a 37hr work week. Also it is the target group the ACA needs.

I compared the cheapest policy and the most expensive policy with and with out subsidies in the four States. GAI= Gross Annual Income. Bottom= First policy shown. Top= Last policy shown.

Florida
Without subsidize
bottom $8782.00 45%/GAI
top $7120.00 37%/GAI
With subsidize
bottom $6838.00 35%/GAI
top $5175.00 27%/GAI

Illinois
Without subsidize
bottom $7632.00 39%/GAI
top $6384.00 33%/GAI
With subsidize
bottom $6324.00 33%/GAI
top $5076.00 26%/GAI

Virginia
Without subsidize
bottom $8606.00 44%/GAI
top $27,166.00 150%/GAI
With subsidize
bottom $6578.00 33%/GAI
top $27,166.00 140%/GAI

Missouri
Without subsidize
bottom $9636.00 50%/GAI
top $8072.00 42%/GAI
With subsidize
bottom $6672.00 34%/GAI
top $5108.00 26%/AGI

Conclusions:
First the data for Virginia is not a miss print that comes from HealthCare.gov.
Second Except for Virginia, in all cases the top plan is of better value then the bottom plan.
Third the Web Site is designed to lead you into buying the bottom plan.

Why:
First the Insurance companies can make more money?
Second the Government can tax more on the policies?

I only used these four states but I think with a few exceptions this will hold true across the board.

jpcpt03 on December 26, 2013 at 10:25 PM

If Caligula had a son, he would act like Barack Obama.

VorDaj on December 26, 2013 at 10:27 PM

Justin Bieber announces his retirement on Twitter

Oh My. Axe and Ken will be very disappointed.

SparkPlug on December 26, 2013 at 10:29 PM

SparkPlug on December 26, 2013 at 10:29 PM

Who the hell is Justin Bieber?

OmahaConservative on December 26, 2013 at 10:33 PM

canopfor on December 26, 2013 at 10:13 PM

…ok!…you are good!

I wish I could shoot ‘em here in the city. They are the bane of my existence…

OmahaConservative on December 26, 2013 at 9:56 PM

…I keep forgetting you live IN THE CITY…and not on the outskirts…and therefore ‘the lumber!…and not the gun!

Anti-Control on December 26, 2013

…you are on a roll…and it’s good stuff!

KOOLAID2 on December 26, 2013 at 10:38 PM

I am very much urban, I live Uptown in the heart of Omaha…

OmahaConservative on December 26, 2013 at 10:41 PM

Yer fetching the raccoon a beer?

wolly4321 on December 26, 2013 at 9:16 PM

Good neighbors do that sort of thing for each other…so I’m told.

Solaratov on December 26, 2013 at 10:44 PM

Oh My. Axe and Ken will be very disappointed.

SparkPlug on December 26, 2013 at 10:29 PM

Heartbroken.

KCB on December 26, 2013 at 10:46 PM

In case you haven’t seen this:

http://twitchy.com/2013/12/25/families-discuss-obamacare-at-christmas-unify-against-it/

Some of the tweets are great:

Hi @BarackObama. We discussed Obamacare at the family Christmas party (90%libs). Everyone hates it. It was awesome. #notkidding #Pajamaboy

and

Mom: “Why is everyone yelling at table?”
Me: “Someone said Obamacare”—

and

My ten year old cousin just yelled “DONT TRUST OBAMACARE!!!” We’re raisin her right.—

and

Spontaneous family booing of an obamacare commercial. #merrychristmas #familyfirst—

INC on December 26, 2013 at 10:47 PM

This guy is still President? Amazing. America has zero self respect.

rrpjr on December 26, 2013 at 10:55 PM

…you are on a roll…and it’s good stuff!

KOOLAID2 on December 26, 2013 at 10:38 PM

Hey, KA2, how are you?

I’ll be honest, I don’t believe Democrat/ChoomCare will be around in March. I don’t believe I’m being pollyannaish, either – it is catastrophically unworkable, which will become unavoidably obvious in the beginning of January…

I don’t know your musical taste, but I’ll post this one anyway (they were famous for the “D.O.A.”):

Bloodrock – “Kool-Aid Kids”

Anti-Control on December 26, 2013 at 11:00 PM

Everybody is over on the left side beating the shite out of an athiest troll.

Hard..

wolly4321 on December 26, 2013 at 11:05 PM

OmahaConservative on December 26, 2013 at 10:33 PM

He is Canadian and won a singing contest on one of those talent shows I think like America has talent or sumpin.

SparkPlug on December 26, 2013 at 11:10 PM

To anyone who thinks Rebecca Black’s “Friday” was the worst ever, give this a whirl and see if you still think so…

Miley Cyrus writhes around semi-nude in ‘Adore You’ video

Yes, I think the bottom of the barrel has been pierced! ROFL!

Anti-Control on December 26, 2013 at 11:17 PM

“It’s no longer just a piece of paper that you can repeal and it goes away,” said Senator Ron Johnson, Republican of Wisconsin and a Tea Party favorite

If Ron Johnson was ever a tea party favorite it’s news to me. To me he is one of the GOP establishment who was all over the MSM working against Ted Cruz’s effort to stop Obamacare. Now, after helping to fund Obamacare he says that it can’t be repealed now that people have signed up. If he was ever supported by tea partiers I hope that they’ve since realized their grievous mistake and will take corrective action ASAP.

FloatingRock on December 26, 2013 at 11:27 PM

GOPe-ers like Johnson=status-quoists, not leaders…I’d love to see some term limitation for them! :)

Anti-Control on December 26, 2013 at 11:32 PM

Anti-Control on December 26, 2013 at 11:00 PM

…nice beat!…I am afraid…delay…delay…delay…will make everything else…too late!
… hey!….come visit downstairs once in a while (:->)

KOOLAID2 on December 26, 2013 at 11:32 PM

If obama had sons

Schadenfreude on December 26, 2013 at 11:34 PM

Everybody is over on the left side beating the shite out of an athiest troll.

Hard..

wolly4321 on December 26, 2013 at 11:05 PM

…thanks wolly !…just noticed the count…thought that thread died hours…and hours ago…

KOOLAID2 on December 26, 2013 at 11:36 PM

With all the dough obama wasted on Michelle’s friends, the consultancy which botched the setups, plus the billions for the state exchanges, also related to her buddies, he could have taken care of the poor with healthcare…for years to come…

He wastes dough better than Putin does. Heck, he’s often more socialistic than Putin is these days.

They didn’t have to bury us – we did it to ourselves.

Schadenfreude on December 26, 2013 at 11:40 PM

Schadenfreude on December 26, 2013 at 11:34 PM

I saw that earlier today and laid it at Obama’s door. He wasn’t in that crowd, but he bears the weight of responsibility by his example of lawlessness and his emboldening of criminals and thugs from the New Black Panthers at the voting precinct in PA in 2008 to his remarks about Trayvon.

INC on December 26, 2013 at 11:43 PM

With all the dough obama wasted on Michelle’s friends, the consultancy which botched the setups, plus the billions for the state exchanges, also related to her buddies, he could have taken care of the poor with healthcare…for years to come…

Schadenfreude on December 26, 2013 at 11:40 PM

Well said. He has done nothing for the poor. He has made them poorer and more dependent (helpless)

SparkPlug on December 26, 2013 at 11:46 PM

Until the blood runs like a River in the streets of DC and New York and Hollywood…..NOTHING will change………

williamg on December 26, 2013 at 11:46 PM

Everything is by “email” these days…..

No One sends “Christmas Cards” anymore….

They send “e-Cards“…….

Well – I got one of the Sweetest “e-Cards” ever the other day…didn’t think I’d like ‘em…..but it made my week…..sweetest thing Ever!

williamg on December 26, 2013 at 11:52 PM

“I was an atheist until I found out I was God” — obama

Schadenfreude on December 26, 2013 at 11:55 PM

Anti-Control on December 26, 2013 at 11:00 PM

“obama’care’, it’s shovel ready”, like graves…if only you were right. May you be!

Schadenfreude on December 26, 2013 at 11:56 PM

“I was an atheist until I found out I was God” — obama

Schadenfreude on December 26, 2013 at 11:55 PM

BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

williamg on December 26, 2013 at 11:57 PM

williamg on December 26, 2013 at 11:52 PM

Cards can give a real lift. It’s nice to get that reminder that who you are matters to someone.

INC on December 27, 2013 at 12:03 AM

I will not comply because I am a free citizen of the United States, not a subject of its government. I consider non-compliance with this monstrosity and the tens of thousands of pages of regulations that are to be enforced by an unelected bureaucracy, and that have left a gigantic carbon footprint on our environment and the United States Constitution, a duty.

Non-compliance is my executive order, and that order reads in part that I do not recognize any government’s claim on my action or inaction in the marketplace, nor upon any personal information I am unwilling to divulge.

Good Night America

Schadenfreude on December 27, 2013 at 12:23 AM

Without a clear alternative, we will simply patch more, subsidize more, and ignore frauds and scandals, as we do in Medicare and other programs…

Sen. Feinstein and her husband defraud Medicare at the tune of multi-millions, yearly.

Schadenfreude on December 27, 2013 at 12:29 AM

This is the Forsaken Thread thanks to MSNBC.

Bishop on December 27, 2013 at 12:40 AM

I went down to check out the local disco show
I saw the people dancing on the floor
I wish there was an easier way
To meet the girls of today
And if I had a chance, this is what I’d say:
“I wanna be with a Rock N Roll Girl”

Anti-Control on December 27, 2013 at 12:45 AM

I’m not a hardcore religious kind of guy.

But I’m praying alot lately.

God help us if we hit that wall. I don’t know that we can. Avoid it.

There are a ton of them. Nonp’s, and the like. Oblivious,
At what point do we stop their ignorance from dragging us under?

And how do we do that?

I don’t think it ends well. My patience is worn thin.

Prairiefire in reverse.

You reap what you sow. 25 million commies hop on trains. Go bye-bye.

wolly4321 on December 27, 2013 at 1:08 AM

Dire Straits was here..:)

Dire Straits on December 27, 2013 at 1:18 AM

When have they ever been bargained with?

Any of them?

wolly4321 on December 27, 2013 at 1:20 AM

I. Shoot. Well.

wolly4321 on December 27, 2013 at 1:25 AM

Jackie was here.:)

I have guests… just stopped by to see that you’re all well and wish you all a VERY HAPPY NEW YEAR!

Love a new year… it’s all about the possibilities!

Good night and sleep well.

“Keep yourselves where the light is.”

Goodnight, Dire. :)

thatsafactjack on December 27, 2013 at 1:28 AM

Good Morning Starshine
The Earth says, “Hello”
You twinkle above us
We twinkle below

Anti-Control on December 27, 2013 at 1:32 AM

When have they ever been bargained with?

Any of them?

wolly4321 on December 27, 2013 at 1:20 AM

You Ask An Excellent Question. It’s not “the last time” that people like this were “bargained” with……but it is one of MOST Profound “Bargaining” Negotiations in Recent Memory – by the way: They were “bargaining”" with Communists…….

THIS is the ONLY WAY These Kinds of People “Bargain”!!

williamg on December 27, 2013 at 1:32 AM

thatsafactjack on December 27, 2013 at 1:28 AM

Happy New Year..:)

Dire Straits on December 27, 2013 at 1:40 AM

thatsafactjack on December 27, 2013 at 1:28 AM

Happy New Year and God Bless you, Jackie!

williamg on December 27, 2013 at 1:41 AM

Can we know anything for certain?

We know a number of things for certain.

We know that we know stuff.

We know that we are not responsible for our own existence.

We know that time had a beginning.

We know that stuff exists.

We know that nothing cannot exist.

We know that something must exist.

We know that that something which must exist cannot not exist.

We know that that which cannot not exist exists apart that which could not exist.

We know that the contingent stuff that exists exists because of the actions of that which must exist.

We know that that which must exist is the cause of all else that exists.

We know that the effect is not greater than the cause.

We know that what is in the effect must have been in the cause.

We know that the cause of all contignet stuff is described in the book we call the Bible.

We know that that cause is referred to as God.

We know, then, that the God of the Bible exists.

We know that He tells us He is the only God.

davidk on December 27, 2013 at 1:51 AM

The whole thing just makes me Sick!

I need to detach from it……….

williamg on December 27, 2013 at 1:54 AM

I’ve been asked to say a few words to Earth-people about the stars
You see, I’ve been there
I came from the planet Vulcan
For centuries, you Earthlings have been star-struck
You’ve had your lucky stars
You kiss when you see the first star at night
You have movie stars
And you wish upon a star

Have you considered the possibility, that on a star, the star-people wish upon an Earth?
For example, “Earthlight, Earth bright, first Earth I see tonight”
Or, “Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Earth, how I wonder what you’re worth”
Sound strange?
Well, on Sestus Omicron 3, the all-time hit song is “Earthdust”
Also, people will sing, “Catch a falling earth and put it in your pocket”
And might you not have difficulty accepting the idea
Of a national anthem called, “The Earth-Spangled Banner”
You see, it is after all, a question of point of view

If I were an emotional creature
I would be shocked by your Earth concept of, ‘stars falling on Alabama’
Really, I find that, most illogical
Now as to the matter of space sanitation, will you take a moment to consider all the littering and debris my planet has to contend with?
Old nose cones, cameras, and even a corned-beef sandwich
And those rocket fumes
On Vulcan, our leader’s wife has started a, “Let’s Keep Space Beautiful Campaign”

And now, I must hurry off to a galactic convention of what you Earth-people might call,
‘Those little green people’
I leave you with the good advice my father gave me when I left my home planet of Vulcan:
“Don’t let the Earth get in your eyes”

Anti-Control on December 27, 2013 at 2:02 AM

David Bowie – Golden Years” (Soul Train, 1975)

Anti-Control on December 27, 2013 at 2:12 AM

My Maria
Don’t you know I have come a long, long way
I been longin’ to see her
When she’s around, she take my blues away
Sweet Maria
The sunlight surely hurts my eyes
I’m a lonely dreamer on a highway in the skies

Maria, Maria I love you

My Maria
There were some blue and sorrow times
Just my thoughts about you bring back my peace of mind
Gypsy lady, you’re a miracle worker for me
You set my soul free like a ship sailing on the sea
She is the sunlight when the skies are gray
She treat me so right, lady, take me away

Anti-Control on December 27, 2013 at 2:30 AM

I have to Post A Soul-Cleansing Link…………Just To Clear My Head and Soul…

williamg on December 27, 2013 at 2:27 AM

John Coltrane – Naima

Soul cleansing

kcewa on December 27, 2013 at 2:35 AM

….yes……a “Cleansing Link”…..

williamg on December 27, 2013 at 2:41 AM

John Coltrane – Naima

Soul cleansing

kcewa on December 27, 2013 at 2:35 AM

…Oh – MOST Definitely!

williamg on December 27, 2013 at 2:43 AM

…..I always thought that there was a clear connection between Jerry and Trane or Bird….Definitely Bird
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williamg on December 27, 2013 at 2:46 AM

…..then, A/C reminded me of this nugget…

williamg on December 27, 2013 at 2:49 AM

…..then, A/C reminded me of this nugget…

williamg on December 27, 2013 at 2:49 AM

That is nice

kcewa on December 27, 2013 at 2:59 AM

…..I always thought that there was a clear connection between Jerry and Trane or Bird….Definitely Bird
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williamg on December 27, 2013 at 2:46 AM

Grateful Dead w/Ornette Coleman – The Other One

I knew this was “out there” somewhere…

kcewa on December 27, 2013 at 3:08 AM

I don’t want your friends, they don’t need a mention
I just want your love and all of your attention
I don’t want your money
I Want Your Love

I want your love, that’s what I want
I want your love, give it to me
Love, love, love
I want your love…right, right now

Anti-Control on December 27, 2013 at 3:10 AM

Me and my brother were a-talkin’ to each other
‘Bout what makes a man, a man
Was it brain or brawn, or the month you were born
We just couldn’t understand

Our old man didn’t like our appearance
He said that only women wear long hair
So me and my brother borrowed money from mother
We knew what we had to do
We went downstairs, past the barber and gymnasium
And got our arms tattooed

Welcome to my life, Tattoo
I’m a man now, thanks to you
I expect I’ll regret you
But the skin graft man won’t get you
You’ll be there when I die
Tattoo

My dad beat me ’cause mine said “Mother”
But my mother naturally liked it, and beat my brother
‘Cause his tattoo was of a lady in the nude
And my mother thought that was extremely rude

Anti-Control on December 27, 2013 at 3:20 AM

Are you ready for the great Atomic Power

Do you fear this man’s invention
That they call atomic power
Are we all in great confusion
Do we know the time or hour
When a terrible explosion
May rain down upon our land
Meting horrible destruction
Blotting out the works of man

Anti-Control on December 27, 2013 at 4:08 AM

msnbc obsessing about the expiration of unemployment benefits tomorrow AKA “safety net”

joy reid talking about 2 americas….blames republicans.

obama’s never to blame.

renalin on December 27, 2013 at 6:09 AM

the UPS glitch somehow absolves obamacare website.

and The Right wants to get rid of the post office exclaims joy reid.

renalin on December 27, 2013 at 6:26 AM

And to think that before Obamacare, before the M&Ms, before there was a tax write-off for health insurance because of the need to get individuals working during WWII… America had a strong and deep charitable medical system that was the envy of the world. The sick were cared for, prices were negotiated with doctors and hospitals which could stretch payments out over months or years and who valued individuals and families within a community and sought for the health of that community by not bankrupting individuals and families.

You knew your doctor, he knew your family and you made sure to take care of your health so as not to fritter away money on minor ailments.

Health insurance was an executive ‘perk’ for companies because it was TOO EXPENSIVE TO GIVE TO EVERYONE.

Then the government stepped in to ‘help’.

Then the costs started to go up.

Then the Elites derided charity as a ‘bad thing’.

Today we are stuck with health insurance that is, as has always been known before all the subsidies, kick-backs, write-offs and the rest of it, to be unaffordable.

Today we have a charitable system which is in ruins, and yet that very system allowed the Nation to get through the Spanish Flu and other lesser diseases with ease. That system, of local charitable hospitals adding depth and breadth to our medical system, is in ruins: bought out, marginalized and often shut down by those who purchase them to raise the price of other beds owned by the purchasers.

Today, in an age where global spread of a virulent disease will happen in days, not months, bereft of that charitable depth of response.

Yet before all of this went on to ‘help’ the poor and to deride charity, no one died in the streets.

We are one virulent disease away from that phenomena.

Health care is not a ‘right’ it is a service.

We no longer invest in it.

And soon we will reap the true cost of having accepted that charity is ‘bad’ and that government can ‘help’. Rich and poor alike will pay dearly for this desire to control YOU and your fellow man. Taxes are not charity and government is not a charitable service, but only and ever the Punisher. And we shall be punished for our trust of it.

ajacksonian on December 27, 2013 at 6:32 AM

Good Morning, Patriots! And, Trolls.
O/T: Have “Racial Intolerance”…will travel.
My take: “Rev. Jesse Jackson, Sr. Sees Cameras…Smells Money….and Gets Involved in the Duck Dynasty Dust-Up”

kingsjester on December 27, 2013 at 6:42 AM

kingsjester on December 27, 2013 at 6:42 AM

Good read…

OmahaConservative on December 27, 2013 at 6:59 AM

Gallup Daily—Today: Obama Job Approval—Obama Hits 39% Approval

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

Rovin on December 27, 2013 at 7:00 AM

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