Poll: GOP lead in generic ballot still growing despite ObamaCare website improvements

posted at 2:31 pm on December 26, 2013 by Allahpundit

I think Conn Carroll’s got the right takeaway here. The news isn’t that the GOP’s leading on the generic ballot; that’s been true in several polls since November, when the botched ObamaCare rollout dropped an atomic bomb on Democratic numbers so powerful that even veteran number-crunchers like Charlie Cook trembled at its glory. The news is that the comparative stability of Healthcare.gov over the past month hasn’t healed those Democratic wounds, which suggests two possibilities. Maybe, as more people rushed to sign up before the deadline, more of them saw for themselves just how irritating using the website is. It might not be 404ing, but the combination of virtual queuing and rate shock from the premiums listed on the site might be souring formerly ignorant members of the public on the process. Or maybe it has little to do with the website; maybe the cumulative effect of news stories about cancellations, arbitrary deadlines being arbitrarily moved at the last second, and vast uncertainty about whether new coverage will be in place on January 1st has taken its toll.

The two aren’t mutually exclusive, of course.

Two months ago, Democrats held a 50%-42% advantage among registered voters in a generic ballot, which asked respondents to choose between a Democrat or Republican in their congressional district without identifying the candidates. That result came after congressional Republicans appeared to overplay their hand in the bitter fight over the federal government shutdown and the debt ceiling.

But the Democratic lead evaporated, and a CNN poll a month ago indicated the GOP holding a 49%-47% lead. The new survey, conducted in mid-December, indicates Republicans with a 49%-44% edge over the Democrats…

“Virtually all the movement toward the GOP has come among men,” CNN Polling Director Keating Holland said. “Fifty-four percent of female voters chose the Democratic candidate in October; 53% pick the Dem now. But among male voters, support for Democratic candidates has gone from 46% in October to just 35% now.”…

Another GOP advantage is the President’s standing with the public: 55% of registered voters say that they are more likely to vote for a congressional candidate who opposes the President than one who supports him and four in 10 say they are likely to vote for a candidate who supports Obama.

That gender gap, with women holding steady for Democrats, is fascinating given that CNN is also seeing support for ObamaCare sliding among women, not men. (Their pollster’s not the only one who’s noticed that, either.) That’s a bright spot for Democrats in an otherwise bleak poll — even as some women grow disaffected with O-Care, they’re not so disaffected that they’re willing to switch to the GOP. Yet.

One other reason that this poll might be significant: After the White House declared Healthcare.gov fixed, Obama’s job approval started to recover a bit. Follow RCP’s tracker from November to December and you’ll see what I mean. Lots of net disapproval in the mid-teens, and then suddenly there’s a stretch of six polls after December 1st where four have O at -10 or better. I thought at the time that that meant the worst was behind him and he’d soon settle back into a more traditional 46/53 approval rating. But maybe not. Check out what happens to his average job approval rating in December after it initially shrunk in response to the big Healthcare.gov repair job:

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Something similar happens in RCP’s average of generic-ballot polling. The GOP soars in November only to deflate after Healthcare.gov is declared healed — and then begins to climb again in December:

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What about average support for ObamaCare itself? Not quite the same effect here, but similar: Bigggg uptick in disapproval in November followed by the post-repair crash, and now, instead of disapproval climbing again, we see it leveling off:

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There’s a late uptick there too but it doesn’t track with the monthlong climb in the two other poll averages above. So what’s going on? Three obvious possibilities. One: The relatively cheery early December numbers for O and the Democrats were just a bounce created by the “we fixed it!” announcement. Life goes on and the bounce fades. The new normal may not be the depths that Dems saw in November, but it ain’t their pre-ObamaCare numbers either. Two: CNN’s poll is an outlier, nothing more. Click the last link above and you’ll see why that might be true. Most polls have net disapproval of O-Care in the mid-teens; CNN has it at … -27. If they’re way off on that, they might be way off on the generic ballot too. Three: Maybe public opinion on O-Care has settled a bit (at least until the next round of horror stories about shrinking provider networks) but opinion on O himself and his enablers in the Senate is still deteriorating. Voters have absorbed a lot of news about presidential dishonesty and gross incompetence lately. Even if they learn to tolerate the health-care law, they may never see O the same way again. That would explain why the law’s numbers have leveled off but O’s really haven’t. In fact, just as I’m writing this, Gallup has posted its latest job approval average for Obama: 39/54, which ties the worst numbers of his presidency to date. Hopenchange is over, even if the Obama presidency crawls on.


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Does this actually have to be said?: “It ain’t about the website!”

rjh on December 26, 2013 at 2:37 PM

Dog Eater has already told his people to keep the website nonworking for as long as possible.

Bishop on December 26, 2013 at 2:37 PM

I’ll wait for gumbyandpokey to parse this poll.

Murphy9 on December 26, 2013 at 2:40 PM

I’ll wait for gumbyandpokey to parse this poll.

Murphy9 on December 26, 2013 at 2:40 PM

HA!! I forgot about it. Whatever happened to it?

NJ Red on December 26, 2013 at 2:41 PM

If only…

Schadenfreude on December 26, 2013 at 2:43 PM

Anyone who still approves of the party of the psychopath Obama is either a leach or deranged.

VorDaj on December 26, 2013 at 2:43 PM

That gender gap, with women holding steady for Democrats, is fascinating given that CNN is also seeing support for ObamaCare sliding among women, not men.

Are they really.trying to prove they don’t deserve the vote?

Seriously, why “women holding steady for Democrats” exists is an indication that those “women” are not paying attention, or, worse, are paying attention to all the wrong things.

Lourdes on December 26, 2013 at 2:43 PM

It’s not the website.

It’s the people who still can’t — or refuse to — sober up about “Oh-bahhm-mah.”

Lourdes on December 26, 2013 at 2:45 PM

Don’t forget this…and this dialogue:

This is awesome, the government forces you to buy a product and then taxes you on the product they forced you to buy.

Bishop on December 26, 2013 at 11:37 AM

And, if you elect to NOT buy the product…charges you with a “tax” for not buying it.

Solaratov on December 26, 2013 at 1:37 PM

Tarnation, why didn’t I think of that?

Bishop on December 26, 2013 at 1:50 PM

Schadenfreude on December 26, 2013 at 2:45 PM

Welcome to the USSA.

Syria

Snowden/NSA

obama’care’

The three ruins of obama!

Schadenfreude on December 26, 2013 at 2:46 PM

Even if they learn to tolerate the health-care law, they may never see O the same way again. That would explain why the law’s numbers have leveled off but O’s really haven’t. In fact, just as I’m writing this, Gallup has posted its latest job approval average for Obama: 39/54, which ties the worst numbers of his presidency to date. Hopenchange is over, even if the Obama presidency crawls on.

Those Obama-supporters are the people among out species…I have no comparison. It’s utterly pathetic how so many people abandoned all sense for this Vanity Appeal or whatevertheheck Obama-Celebrity was (theirs, his, all of it, vanity), and it’s equally as pathetic about those who won’t leave that corral.

Lourdes on December 26, 2013 at 2:48 PM

By next fall the electorate will fall into 2 categories on this. The ignorant and the stupid.

You can fix ignorance and given enough time and experience ignorance can even be self correcting. How many people are left in the stupid column by next November is the key.

HotAirian on December 26, 2013 at 2:49 PM

I’ll wait for gumbyandpokey to parse this poll.

Murphy9 on December 26, 2013 at 2:40 PM

Oh geez don’t summon it. ::shiver::

gophergirl on December 26, 2013 at 2:49 PM

Women! What is up with you ladies? Either I’ve grossly miscalculated the absolute thrill that must come with the ability to have an abortion and supposedly free birth control pills, or I’ve overestimated their intelligent level en masse. Obviously not for conservative women, but all the rest? I just don’t get it.

BKeyser on December 26, 2013 at 2:54 PM

Polishing a turd doesn’t make people forget the turd…

ProfShadow on December 26, 2013 at 2:54 PM

It will swing even stronger toward the GOP in 2014 when people start dying from OBAMAcare.

Cause of death: “Death by bureaucracy”

kurtzz3 on December 26, 2013 at 2:54 PM

Not to worry, the GOP will blow it via their push for amnesty.

Charlemagne on December 26, 2013 at 2:55 PM

Lourdes on December 26, 2013 at 2:45 PM

“I don’t care. Obama is awesome.”

ladyingray on December 26, 2013 at 2:55 PM

Perfect picture of pajama-boy-in-chief!

Schadenfreude on December 26, 2013 at 2:56 PM

Maybe, as more people rushed to sign up before the deadline, more of them saw for themselves just how irritating using the website is. It might not be 404ing, but the combination of virtual queuing and rate shock from the premiums listed on the site might be souring formerly ignorant members of the public on the process.

It’s never really been about the 404ing. Sure that was an irritating factor that had an impact on the polling. But even back when the administration was treating Chad Henderson as a war hero for getting through the Obamacare website and picking a bronze; Chad was griping that the premiums where higher than he thought.

Happy Nomad on December 26, 2013 at 2:56 PM

Note: the “generic ballot” is essentially without meaning until around September. News can move it either way, although the sudden shift after the ObamaCare launch was unprecedented.

The worst of ObamaCare is still to come. The lack of young people enrolling (which we can deduce by their repeated claims to be unable to give the information; if it were good news for the system, they would be trumpeting the numbers) means premiums will be skyrocketing even more than expected. The employer mandate will be kicking in, and all those plans will have to cover the laundry list of “Cadillac” benefits ObamaCare prescribes, raising their costs to the point where businesses will have to decide whether to continue them or not.

And small businesses are already in over their heads. The Byzantine rules mean they can’t even know what is required of them without legal help, which of course costs money. For instance, while some food service operations figured to keep under the 50 full time employee level to avoid having to provide full coverage, the rules state that different restaurants with the same ownership will be considered as a single business, even if they have been operated separately since they opened.

The light at the end of the tunnel for ObamaCare is a freight train without brakes.

Adjoran on December 26, 2013 at 2:56 PM

Heck I’m a woman and I don’t get it.

gophergirl on December 26, 2013 at 2:57 PM

I’ll wait for gumbyandpokey to parse this poll.

And here I was hopin’ and prayin’ that thing circled the bowl for good. Now ya gotta go all rosemary’s baby on it.

Bad enough the other nonpart troll poked it’s pocked and scarred head out from under the bridge earlier, to affirm his status.

PatHenry on December 26, 2013 at 2:59 PM

Heck I’m a woman and I don’t get it.

gophergirl on December 26, 2013 at 2:57 PM

Ditto. smdh

ladyingray on December 26, 2013 at 2:59 PM

Not to worry, the GOP will blow it via their push for amnesty.

Charlemagne on December 26, 2013 at 2:55 PM

IMO, the stronger these polls are the less likely the GOP will push amnesty. The GOP leaders are spineless cowards. If they see themselves with the advantage the less likely they will be inclined to pander for the Hispanic vote by pushing amnesty.

Happy Nomad on December 26, 2013 at 2:59 PM

Interesting analysis AP, but I don’t think it’s going to matter as the GOP continues to trash its base and curry to the middle. I’m 39 years old and the most natural Conservative possible, and I will not vote for centrist GOP candidates, and most of my friends who, like me, voted for McCain b/c of Palin and voted for Romney because we despise Barack Obama, will no longer vote for them either. I would rather speed the decline of our once great nation and let the Democrats thoroughly gut it than give votes to GOPers content with stabbing people like me in the back. In the immortal words of the producer from Tropic Thunder when dealing with terrorists, they can stick their heads between their knees and %^&$ their own face. I will support the Cruzes and the Palins of the world – the rest are just low-rent donkeys.

Although I’ve been pessimistic about the direction of this country for a long, long time, when I see that promising the nation’s women free birth control is an effective political strategy that may well have re-elected this tin-pot meathead, I’d say it’s time not only for a great depression, it’s time for the fittest to survive and the rest to eat each other alive. Who needs Sherman burning down every single thing in his path when you have pajama boys and two generations of women so entitled they don’t understand that theirs is the last of a gender that will ever be treated so well for so little in return again.

Or, to quote another fictional character perfectly summing up my mood about where we’re headed, “When you get to hell, tell’em Itchy sent ya.”

King B on December 26, 2013 at 2:59 PM

What will sink the GOP, for very good reasons.

Pelosi will take the well-deserved hammer in Jan. 2015, if this will become reality – amnesty…

House Judiciary Committee Republicans are working on immigration reform while the comprehensive Senate bill backed by Mr. Obama is stalled. .

Schadenfreude on December 26, 2013 at 3:00 PM

The broken website is the best part…

albill on December 26, 2013 at 3:03 PM

Every Republican senator and virtually every representative challenged in a primary as insufficiently conservative will win. In reaction to ObamaCare, GOP political divisions are giving way to unity. Tens of millions more Americans will lose their coverage and find that new ObamaCare plans have higher premiums, larger deductibles and fewer doctors. Enrollment numbers will be smaller than projected and budget outlays will be higher. The White House will blame insurers and Republicans for the law’s continuing failures.

At year’s end, Kathleen Sebelius will still be HHS Secretary. Support for ObamaCare will drop below 30%, causing congressional Democrats to clamber for major changes and delays. The administration will resist most such ideas, except lifting the individual mandate penalty for 2014.

– Karl Rove, the one who still predicted that Mitt won, even after he’d lost…to obama…based on nothing.

Schadenfreude on December 26, 2013 at 3:03 PM

Women! What is up with you ladies? Either I’ve grossly miscalculated the absolute thrill that must come with the ability to have an abortion and supposedly free birth control pills, or I’ve overestimated their intelligent level en masse. Obviously not for conservative women, but all the rest? I just don’t get it.

BKeyser on December 26, 2013 at 2:54 PM

IMO, it is a combination of factors.

Most importantly is the GOP not taking on the lies. Here in VA the last two elections have featured ads with rabid women declaring that any Republican will immediately ban all abortions. It is all a lie but apparently America is filled with very stupid women who only care about their private parts. There was no GOP response to these ads. And there is middle ground for the GOP that speaks to these issues without going full moron like Todd Akin did.

Happy Nomad on December 26, 2013 at 3:04 PM

the stability of the website is irrelevant, people will always forget those things when it comes time to vote. it’s the monthly cost they’re having to pay, in addition to the higher co-pays and longer waits that people will not forget.

I have to say, the fact that women are still onboard with the dems is sad. in my opinion, it has to do with the fact that they identify with “liberals” when in fact the democratic party is no longer liberal, but left wing. there is nothing open-minded, tolerant or freedom loving about todays democrats. people – especially conservatives – need to stop calling them liberals and start calling them leftists.

jetch on December 26, 2013 at 3:04 PM

It won’t be all sweetness and light for the GOP, however. Republicans will debate joining rebellious Democrats in gutting and delaying elements of ObamaCare or leaving it alone.

If the stupid Rs join with obama on anything to revamp obama’care’, they then own it, and will not get even close to getting the senate, deservedly.

Schadenfreude on December 26, 2013 at 3:04 PM

Now’s the best time in a long while to vote your conscience.

The turnout for Dems should be depressed. Who are they going to vote for? The jackass that brought them the misery that is Oboobicare or the dreaded rethuglican?

Bring in a 3rd party candidate that trashes both the donks and crony GOPe should have crossover appeal from the indies and conservative dems that need their ‘lesser of two evils’ to vote for otherwise stay home.

Crossover appeal can be had on keeping a simple short list, a la contract with America:
1) Repealing ObamaCare
2) Insurance reform — portable, tort reform, HSA and tailored to what you need/want w/o the frills. A sane policy would naturally mitigate the issue of pre-existing illnesses after the initial reboot to get them covered.
3) No Amnesty — secure the border and increase fines against companies that hire illegals and landlords that rent to them.
4) Sunsetting laws — all laws should have a sunset clause of 3 – 9 years to ensure that they stay current & relevant.
5) Ban Agency Regulations — Congress needs to pass laws rather than allowing agencies to make up the regs. Use the EPA’s anti-energy regs and Common Core as examples of bureaucratic overreach.

There are enough Dems and Indies that will find the above appealing as opposed to voting for more of the same BS from our overlords.

AH_C on December 26, 2013 at 3:05 PM

I love the ladies but seriously, what’s it going to take before > 50% recognize O’s incompetence? I know some are LIV’s but can they not see what’s going on right in front of them?

Blacksheep on December 26, 2013 at 3:07 PM

Despite website improvement? Since when the Obamacare mega disaster was about the stupid website? The website is not even the least of the problems in Obamacare…

mnjg on December 26, 2013 at 3:11 PM

It’s not about his ability to have a site fixed . . . it’s about his ineptness, incompetence, lying, conniving and complete lack of leadership ability. Unfortunately, he thinks it’s about the site which says even more about his failure to grasp reality.

rplat on December 26, 2013 at 3:11 PM

But….but….Juan Williams just told us that the Dems had reversed their fortunes on the Generic Ballot, and are now leading the GOP?
Juan wouldn’t fudge the truth, would he?
I mean, he’s a Fox News Contributor and Political Analyst -
that means a lot!

Another Drew on December 26, 2013 at 3:12 PM

I love the ladies but seriously, what’s it going to take before > 50% recognize O’s incompetence? I know some are LIV’s but can they not see what’s going on right in front of them?

Blacksheep on December 26, 2013 at 3:07 PM

Government (tax payers money) = Father and Husband for many women…

mnjg on December 26, 2013 at 3:13 PM

even if the Obama presidency crawls on

And crawl on it will. For 3 more long years.

BacaDog on December 26, 2013 at 3:16 PM

Due to the demographics segregation in the vast majority of Congressional district and because 70% of whites are now against Obama it will be very hard for the democrats to win the House… For democrats to control the House they need at least 43-45% of whites voting for them…

mnjg on December 26, 2013 at 3:16 PM

Wait til the co-pay bills start rolling in. They should really be hitting people hard by November.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

talkingpoints on December 26, 2013 at 3:17 PM

Despite Jenny Craig’s website improvement, I wont lose a pound in 2014.

..measure in reality of new premium, not being able to see old doctor and then insurance perhaps not being in-force–all coming to you in January–approval rating 30% by Feb 1st.

hillsoftx on December 26, 2013 at 3:18 PM

aw c’mon, all these polls since at least a month before Thanksgiving, maybe all the way to Halloween have been influenced by the dems checking out to prepare for their religious expressions during the Christmas holidays.

They’ll be back with their focus intact ready to go into battle in the arena of ideas…

DanMan on December 26, 2013 at 3:18 PM

The website is not fixed.

kcewa on December 26, 2013 at 3:19 PM

House Judiciary Committee Republicans are working on immigration reform while the comprehensive Senate bill backed by Mr. Obama is stalled. .
Schadenfreude on December 26, 2013 at 3:00 PM

From your link by TurdBlossum:

My Fearless Political Predictions For 2014

The penalty for ignoring ObamaCare’s individual mandate will be lifted.

Duh! When did you get the flash of blinding obvious? Last week or last October?

It’s time to see how well I did with my predictions for 2013 and to offer a set of 2014 forecasts.

I got 10 predictions for this year right. President Obama’s job approval rating did drop—from 53% at year’s start to 40% this week. There was a new administration scandal, the most significant being the IRS targeting of conservative groups.

So you double down on taking the fight to conservatives instead of the Dems?

And ObamaCare’s implementation was indeed “ragged and ugly” and “a continuing political advantage to Republicans” as forecast.

Forecasted by conservatives, not the GOPe

So what does my crystal ball say for 2014? Mr. Obama’s Gallup disapproval rating will end higher than this week’s 53%.

Even Nebuchanezzar knew his goose was cooked when he saw the writing on the wall, not before. Hindsight is always 20/20. Where were you when the vangard was fighting against implementation? In the rear, shushing everyone from being ‘disagreable’.

Republicans will keep the House with a modest pickup of 4-6 seats. The GOP will most likely end up with 50 or 51 Senate seats (in the former case, keeping Vice President Joe Biden fully occupied for two years presiding over the chamber). Control of the Senate may not be decided until December’s Louisiana runoff. Propelled by union contributions, Democrats will outspend Republicans overall in House and Senate races.

Republicans will lose a net of one or two of their 30 governorships. They’ll add to their numbers in statewide offices and state legislatures and see more Latino, Asian-American, African-American and women Republicans elected up and down the ballot.

Every Republican senator and virtually every representative challenged in a primary as insufficiently conservative will win. In reaction to ObamaCare, GOP political divisions are giving way to unity.

Your track record belies your claim.
Karl Rove Vs. the ‘Far Right’
February 6, 2013

In the end, this is not a fight between Democrats and Republicans. This is between the Reaganites and the same old moderate Republicans who insisted Ronald Reagan was far too extreme to be elected in 1976 and then in 1980, when Rove worked for George H. W. Bush. They thought the Doles and McCains were always the smart money against the Democrats. It’s a fight between Republicans who want to not only run as conservatives, but govern as conservatives, versus the Bush-Boehner-McConnell never-mind approach.

Conservatism is in no way synonymous with defeat, and “conservative victory” isn’t even attempted by those who were never conservatives to begin with.

AH_C on December 26, 2013 at 3:19 PM

AH_C on December 26, 2013 at 3:19 PM

Excellent smackdown!

Schadenfreude on December 26, 2013 at 3:23 PM

PS. Another fearless prediction from TurdBlossom:

Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan will increase his already considerable influence in the House, taking the lead on GOP antipoverty efforts and presenting the most serious comprehensive health-care plan congressional Republicans have offered.

Too soon to tell, but if that puke rams thru amnesty, he’s done forevermore. Notwithstanding, his plan for antipoverty & healthcare are just progressive-lite version of the WOP & RomneyCare

AH_C on December 26, 2013 at 3:26 PM

talkingpoints on December 26, 2013 at 3:17 PM

Wait until the cancellation notices start going out on the group/employer plans -
that’s when the fit hits the shan.
At that point, the Dems will look back to the first of the Year as the Good Old Days.

Another Drew on December 26, 2013 at 3:26 PM

Excellent smackdown!

Schadenfreude on December 26, 2013 at 3:23 PM

Got gobs of time on my hands today and thot I’d pitch in and help you smack some of the GOPe around. ;)

AH_C on December 26, 2013 at 3:27 PM

The website is not fixed.

kcewa on December 26, 2013 at 3:19 PM

Neither is the rest of it.

The GOP leadership can claim they fought Obamacare but they have done nothing but whine. They attacked Ted Cruz for throwing a flag on the play.

Happy Nomad on December 26, 2013 at 3:31 PM

Here is the news we have all been waiting for!!!
Barack Obama on 12/20 2013
“I am sure that I will have even better ideas after a couple days of sleep and sun.”
Do us a favor Mr. President. Leave the heavy lifting for those with the qualifications to do it. “Better ideas ” indeed.

RickinNH on December 26, 2013 at 3:33 PM

I love the ladies but seriously, what’s it going to take before > 50% recognize O’s incompetence? I know some are LIV’s but can they not see what’s going on right in front of them?

Blacksheep on December 26, 2013 at 3:07 PM

That moment will come when they can’t provide food to their children because the premium came due and they had to spend the family budget on subsidizing parasites, illegals, and birth control for skanks attending law school.

Happy Nomad on December 26, 2013 at 3:33 PM

the GOP will have to buck the special interests and the money guys to try to win over the conservatives. Plus they’ll have to put up people who can talk coherently about the country from a conservative world view. They have to be brave…and be willing to try to beat the left and stand up to the media.

That is a tall order…i’m not buying it yet.

r keller on December 26, 2013 at 3:35 PM

Does this actually have to be said?: “It ain’t about the website!”

1: rjh on December 26, 2013 at 2:37 PM

Dog Eater has already told his people to keep the website nonworking for as long as possible.

2: Bishop on December 26, 2013 at 2:37 PM

…hope that rjh had a nice Christmas!

KOOLAID2 on December 26, 2013 at 3:35 PM

The real problems for America begin once obama’s website is “fixed” – and everyone knows it. If we are to survive as a nation, obamacare must be killed.

Pork-Chop on December 26, 2013 at 3:45 PM

Due to the demographics segregation in the vast majority of Congressional district and because 70% of whites are now against Obama it will be very hard for the democrats to win the House… For democrats to control the House they need at least 43-45% of whites voting for them…

mnjg on December 26, 2013 at 3:16 PM

Intriguing!

Please say some more.

Thanks

3558 on December 26, 2013 at 3:52 PM

A 49%-47% is still losing. After 5 years of Obama it should be 70%-30% at least.

tdarrington on December 26, 2013 at 3:53 PM

It’s not about the web site: It’s about the socialism, lies, and incompetence. And Dems finally caught onto that. Late to the party as usual.

Funny how liberals hate wealth confiscation and redistribution when it involves their money and not someone else’s.

Philly on December 26, 2013 at 3:55 PM

If the GOP doesn’t find a way to neutralize the war on women meme, they’re doomed at the polls. That tactic has worked like a charm for dems and it shows no signs of going away.

MT on December 26, 2013 at 3:59 PM

Neither is the rest of it.

The GOP leadership can claim they fought Obamacare but they have done nothing but whine. They attacked Ted Cruz for throwing a flag on the play.

Happy Nomad on December 26, 2013 at 3:31 PM

You have to give them credit for voting against it in 2009. But since then? Nothing. Not even a whole lot of whining actually.

They’re afraid of it becoming popular because they see it as just regulating the health insurers and giving subsidies to consumers. They fail to realize that it’s an attempt to create a new centrally planned health care system starting with the insurance marketplace or exchanges.

The reason that the exchanges are failing is because they’re trying to create a central marketplace for a private industry to link it up with a new entitlement program that they’re creating at the same time. No one could do that.

kcewa on December 26, 2013 at 3:59 PM

Women! What is up with you ladies? Either I’ve grossly miscalculated the absolute thrill that must come with the ability to have an abortion and supposedly free birth control pills, or I’ve overestimated their intelligent level en masse. Obviously not for conservative women, but all the rest? I just don’t get it.

BKeyser on December 26, 2013 at 2:54 PM

I could be specific in my comment about that ^^ but then it’d get trashed by the site’s moderators if I was…

…so I’ll try and generalize a bit, be as generic as I can, to avoid upsetting standards of propriety.

But, here goes:

Leftwing females, Progressive females, want to engage in what are (otherwise) reproductive activities (being generic here) but level a quite Leftwing prejudicial resentment about men, about the male involvement aside from the female’s self-indulgent level.

That means, they resent what they consider as “the power” of the male to — let me again be generic here, trying to avoid specific words — they resent the ‘ability’ of the male to create life, they disavow their own intention to do so despite their obvious consent to the contrary prior to the act itself.

There is a great deal of resentment amidst Leftwing females about how life is created and what it is to begin with. But it’s also the reason why Leftwing females find men who sell them on “free stuff” to be so glamourous: those men fulfill those females’ fantasies at being submissively non-protective toward life. It assists the self-pleasuring without responsibility AND with resentment about any acceptance role by Progressive females: “we’re equal, you’re not more powerful” is the frame of mind…

…and though that works to a great degree psychologically to survive, for females in many cases, it’s not the way we are made biologically.

Lourdes on December 26, 2013 at 4:00 PM

Government (tax payers money) = Father and Husband for many women…

mnjg on December 26, 2013 at 3:13 PM

Slight correction to operator sign.

Government (tax payers money) > Father and Husband for many women…

Subotai Bahadur on December 26, 2013 at 4:01 PM

If the GOP doesn’t find a way to neutralize the war on women meme, they’re doomed at the polls. That tactic has worked like a charm for dems and it shows no signs of going away.

MT on December 26, 2013 at 3:59 PM

Screwing up their families health care is a good way for democrats to lose women. They can yell “war on women” all they want but women won;t be listening.

kcewa on December 26, 2013 at 4:02 PM

I am starting to feel uneasy. All this criticism of women…

I would like to see something more constructive.

(exhale)

3558 on December 26, 2013 at 4:04 PM

The news is that the comparative stability of Healthcare.gov over the past month hasn’t healed those Democratic wounds.

Just wait until the ObamaCare taxes start kicking in, followed by all those who will get dumped from employer’s health care plans.

ObamaCare will be the gift that keeps on giving.

GarandFan on December 26, 2013 at 4:08 PM

kcewa on December 26, 2013 at 3:59 PM

I admire your optimism

When I look at the GOP Congressional leadership all I see is a bunch of individuals intent on one thing- getting re-elected.

There is no principled reason for what they do. Nor is there a strategy behind their “principled caves.” Obamacare is going to do whatever it does without help or hinderance by the GOP.

Happy Nomad on December 26, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Too soon to tell, but if that puke rams thru amnesty, he’s done forevermore. Notwithstanding, his plan for antipoverty & healthcare are just progressive-lite version of the WOP & RomneyCare

AH_C on December 26, 2013 at 3:26 PM

What amazes me is that these RINO idiots can’t look at Rubio’s fall from grace and realize that’s exactly what will happen to them if they try to cram amnesty down our throats. They don’t care if anti-amnesty is a winning issue, all they care about are their masters, the treason lobby cheap labor groups. We have a strong conservative, Rep. Steve Stockman, running against Cornyn in the primary and Cornyn’s already smearing him with the money he received (2 million) from Bob Perry, the recently deceased homebuilder who was pro amnesty (aka pro cheap labor).

TxAnn56 on December 26, 2013 at 4:11 PM

No more delays for any reason. When enrollees (those who paid) have to wait for months to see a doctor (if they find one who takes the lousy insurance), then things will get a lot more interesting.

That is, if they are actually covered. Their applications may have slipped through the bureaucratic black hole. Heartbreak.

Philly on December 26, 2013 at 4:18 PM

When I look at the GOP Congressional leadership all I see is a bunch of individuals intent on one thing- getting re-elected.

There is no principled reason for what they do. Nor is there a strategy behind their “principled caves.” Obamacare is going to do whatever it does without help or hinderance by the GOP.

Happy Nomad on December 26, 2013 at 4:10 PM

I agree with you that all the GOP leaders want is to get re-elected so they can send pork home. I think Obamacare will fail despite their inaction though. It doesn’t matter if they cave, there’s nothing either party can do to make this work.

kcewa on December 26, 2013 at 4:24 PM

Women! What is up with you ladies? Either I’ve grossly miscalculated the absolute thrill that must come with the ability to have an abortion and supposedly free birth control pills, or I’ve overestimated their intelligent level en masse. Obviously not for conservative women, but all the rest? I just don’t get it.

BKeyser on December 26, 2013 at 2:54 PM

IMO, it is a combination of factors.

Most importantly is the GOP not taking on the lies. Here in VA the last two elections have featured ads with rabid women declaring that any Republican will immediately ban all abortions. It is all a lie but apparently America is filled with very stupid women who only care about their private parts. There was no GOP response to these ads. And there is middle ground for the GOP that speaks to these issues without going full moron like Todd Akin did.

Happy Nomad on December 26, 2013 at 3:04 PM

The general consensus from women at my office when zero got reelected was that they did not care, They were voting keep abortions and birth control for their daughters. Stating we survived 8 years of Bush, we can survive 8 years of Ofecalhead. It’s for my daughters!!!!!

rottenrobbie on December 26, 2013 at 4:34 PM

That gender gap, with women holding steady for Democrats, is fascinating given that CNN is also seeing support for ObamaCare sliding among women, not men.
Are they really.trying to prove they don’t deserve the vote?

Seriously, why “women holding steady for Democrats” exists is an indication that those “women” are not paying attention, or, worse, are paying attention to all the wrong things.

Lourdes on December 26, 2013 at 2:43 PM

I’m proud conservative woman and I’m saying right now that I will give up my right to vote if that means the moronic side of my gender no longer votes either. If these “ladies” cannot see that the Democrat party is ruining their lives and the lives of their children then I submit they are too freakin stupid to be voting in the first place.

neyney on December 26, 2013 at 4:38 PM

I think Obamacare will fail despite their inaction though. It doesn’t matter if they cave, there’s nothing either party can do to make this work.

kcewa on December 26, 2013 at 4:24 PM

In other words, Obamacare is such a massive public policy failure there is no way to pretend otherwise.

The next two months will show if that is true.

Happy Nomad on December 26, 2013 at 4:43 PM

What amazes me is that these RINO idiots can’t look at Rubio’s fall from grace and realize that’s exactly what will happen to them if they try to cram amnesty down our throats. They don’t care if anti-amnesty is a winning issue, all they care about are their masters, the treason lobby cheap labor groups. We have a strong conservative, Rep. Steve Stockman, running against Cornyn in the primary and Cornyn’s already smearing him with the money he received (2 million) from Bob Perry, the recently deceased homebuilder who was pro amnesty (aka pro cheap labor).

TxAnn56 on December 26, 2013 at 4:11 PM

It boggles the mind if you believe that they’re listening to their constituients. But when one believes they’re only listening to their donors, not so mind-boggling.

I recall back in mid-90s working construction down in Austin for one of the fab plants. Master carpenters were getting $15/hr and Vegas was paying $22/hr due to their boom. At the fab plant, La migra came thru 3 times while I was there and bused a bunch off. Within 3 days some of them were back on the job. As it appeared to me, about half the work crew were non-hispanic, another 15 % black and the rest hispanic. Considering that during each raid, there was only 2~3 busloads hauled off from a workcrew of 400 or so, the illegal component couldn’t have been more than 20%.

Jump forward nearly 20 years and you’d think with the usual COLA, that carenters might be making $20 or more. I don’t know for sure, but in the OKC area, they were only making $12 at best back in 07/08. Most of the crews that I see are predominantly hispanic.

What the heck? The illegals aren’t taking jobs that Americans won’t do, they’re taking jobs that any American won’t do for a pittance. I only worked in construction professionally for about 1.5 years in TX & AK, but back in 94/95, making $15/hr was GOOD money for Austin, as was $17 in AK with room & board!

As I said before, a lot of Americans, of all colors are being hurt by illegals undercutting market rates and taking their jobs. If the issue of voting only came down to pro vs anti amnesty, many a democrat voter would jump in and vote for anti-amnesty. That’s why a 3rd party candidate who focuses on a few key issues could siphon off voters across the political spectrum by being conservatively independent.

AH_C on December 26, 2013 at 4:45 PM

The general consensus from women at my office when zero got reelected was that they did not care, They were voting keep abortions and birth control for their daughters. Stating we survived 8 years of Bush, we can survive 8 years of Ofecalhead. It’s for my daughters!!!!!

rottenrobbie on December 26, 2013 at 4:34 PM

You clearly work with rabid stupid women who think Wendy Davis is some kind of a hero. My condolences.

Happy Nomad on December 26, 2013 at 4:45 PM

Oh, I beg to differ. It IS the website. The current malfunctioning is the only thing saving Obamacide for the moment.

Just wait until everyone can find out just what kind of new deal they are getting with this idiotic program.

And just wait until they start to experience the wonder of socialized medicine.

We are just in the pre-game warmup. The good stuff is yet to come.

Meremortal on December 26, 2013 at 4:57 PM

It is amusing to see the knee-jerk reactions to any mention of immigration reform.

Of course, we have to do something eventually, but we most certainly will not be passing anything when the Man Who Would Be King remains in office, since any enforcement provisions would be instantly “waived” as he enforces the laws he likes, ignores those he does not, and imagines those never passed are his to implement alone.

HOWEVER, keeping the issue “on the burner” with such mentions helps defuse Democratic attacks intended to whip up their base. That’s the reason for it. It’s politics.

Remember, THERE IS NO BILL yet. There aren’t even any genuine hearings scheduled. So when you hear about committees “working on it” or immigration “experts” being put on staff, try to keep your pants on.

Adjoran on December 26, 2013 at 5:00 PM

I am starting to feel uneasy. All this criticism of women…

I would like to see something more constructive.

(exhale)

3558 on December 26, 2013 at 4:04 PM

How you feel is your problem.

Meremortal on December 26, 2013 at 5:04 PM

In other words, Obamacare is such a massive public policy failure there is no way to pretend otherwise.

The next two months will show if that is true.

Happy Nomad on December 26, 2013 at 4:43 PM

I might be wrong but to me arguing about the details of Obamacare (the premiums, the benefits, the deductibles, etc.)is like arguing about the price of bread in the USSR. There was no bread! There won’t be enough doctors under Obamacare.

Gosplan failed completely because the farmers had no incentive and because the economy is too complex to be centrally planned/controlled. Obamacare is less ambitious but will fail for the same reasons. Not as spectacularly maybe but it will fail.

kcewa on December 26, 2013 at 5:13 PM

AH_C on December 26, 2013 at 4:45 PM

As a kid I started a house construction business in the mid 70′s that I ran until the summer of ’82. I can you give you the economics in a nutshell. We were getting $2.85/sf to dry in custom houses and they would do it for $1.40. The Mexicans were great as far as we knew until we found they we proposing for and taking work from us at half the rate. Twelve men crews showed up in two cars. My six showed up in their own (I typically had two 6 man crews). They’d finish in under 2 weeks and we’d take a month. But my builders would call us in for punch-out on their Mexican built brand new structures so the cabinet makers could install square cabinets.

For years I attributed it to Reagan policy. Turns out it was a court decision in December 1979 that opened the flood gates. A judge ruled that immigrants had to be provided free schooling for their kids and emergency health care had to be provided for all.

Amnesty will destroy what is left of American craftsmen and their contributions.

DanMan on December 26, 2013 at 5:22 PM

I might be wrong but to me arguing about the details of Obamacare (the premiums, the benefits, the deductibles, etc.)is like arguing about the price of bread in the USSR. There was no bread! There won’t be enough doctors under Obamacare.

kcewa on December 26, 2013 at 5:13 PM

That may well be proven true. I suspect that it will.

What is scary is that the administration has doubled down on Obamacare or nothing. There is no “Plan B” should Obamacare fail.

Happy Nomad on December 26, 2013 at 5:26 PM

“What is scary is that the administration has doubled down on Obamacare or nothing. There is no “Plan B” should Obamacare fail.”

I really don’t see your logic here. The last thing I want to hear about is these people’s “Plan B”.

Meremortal on December 26, 2013 at 5:41 PM

There are enough Dems and Indies that will find the above appealing as opposed to voting for more of the same BS from our overlords.

AH_C on December 26, 2013 at 3:05 PM

The Dems have been funding 3rd party “conservative”/”libertarian” candidates in the general elections for the last three cycles. It won them a number of races. It did not win the 3rd party candidates any elections. Look at Canada and see what has happened when there are third parties that take a big chunk out of a mainstream party’s electorate. They get landslides for the mainstream party that was not split but very little power for the 3rd party. Remember that Teddy Roosevelt’s Bullmoose party got Woodrow Wilson elected not Teddy.

I do not question your motives; but sometimes I wonder if some of the posters calling for a 3rd party are progressive lefty wolves wrapped in constitutional patriot wrappings.

KW64 on December 26, 2013 at 6:02 PM

Mitt Romney won all age groups of whites and both sexes. (Unmarried white women, who treat big government as their husbands, do vote progressive.) So when you think of “the women” that vote progressive, or “the young people” you should not have a generic white face in your mind. The ideal progressive voter is Rachel Jeantel. And the ideal progressive voter has very negative attitudes to creepy-ass crackers. (Pancho who hates gringos is a Democrat too, and the Asian vote is even more leftist.)

The GOP is going down, because it is against its base, which is 90% white, Christian, mostly working class and married or male.

That’s blunt, but that’s the demographic reality. And with the US President telling his supporters to punish their racial enemies, the conflict is on, whether conservatives like it or not.

The GOP is not just attacking the interests of its base, it’s driving it down as a share of the population and the electorate. That is what amnesty is about: massively boosting the non-white majority progressive electorate.

Neither Obamacare nor anything else can save the GOP as long as it is committed to this strategy.

David Blue on December 26, 2013 at 6:10 PM

Think how many hard working Americans have found themselves pushed into ObamaCare?

THAT is the real tragedy here.

PappyD61 on December 26, 2013 at 6:15 PM

David Blue on December 26, 2013 at 6:10 PM

Mitt Romney won all age groups of whites and both sexes. (Unmarried white women, who treat big government as their husbands, do vote progressive.) So when you think of “the women” that vote progressive, or “the young people” you should not have a generic white face in your mind. The ideal progressive voter is Rachel Jeantel. And the ideal progressive voter has very negative attitudes to creepy-ass crackers. (Pancho who hates gringos is a Democrat too, and the Asian vote is even more leftist.)

People who look like Rachel Jeantel make up 13% of the US population – blacks have voted overwhelmingly Democrat for going on 3 generations. I know some take exception to the “blame women” tone in these comments, but most of the middle, upper-middle class and affluent white women I know proudly voted for Barack Obama … twice, and that is here in Oklahoma, a state that didn’t yield one county to the Donkey national ticket in 2004 or 2008. Two of them still have O stickers on their cars. None of them blame Democrats for the failures of Obamacare or the rapid decline of the country in general. They aren’t stupid, but they are … something. What, I have no idea.

Most of them have children and most of them are married. All of them are college educated. They are pro choice and it is the issue they vote on. These are middle-aged white women. This does not account for the college-aged white women (and men, in fairness) who voted for Democrats, and it doesn’t count the women of all hues who have children to men they didn’t marry and see the government as their sugar daddy who will vote Democrat until they die.

So yes, along with a horrific public education system, an increasing degradation in the nuclear family, a GOP that is schizophrenic, a Donkey party that is IMHO an organized crime syndicate, you bet I blame women, specifically educated white women who should have damn well known better after the first four years of Obama’s America. I don’t hate women and I don’t resent women, but it does no one any favors to simply assume that the effectiveness of the mythical “war on women” combined with the all the advertised freebies aimed at women in the selling of the ACA were all just a myth. Barack Obama got re-elected specifically because of women. Not blacks. Not Hispanics. Not Asians.

King B on December 26, 2013 at 6:47 PM

1. The GOP being even with the Democrats on the generic ballot has been a good sign in the past. Ahead? On a CNN poll?? Encouraging!

2. I don’t have a polite explanation for women seemingly holding firm for the Demorats.

WannabeAnglican on December 26, 2013 at 7:24 PM

For years I attributed it to Reagan policy. Turns out it was a court decision in December 1979 that opened the flood gates. A judge ruled that immigrants had to be provided free schooling for their kids and emergency health care had to be provided for all.Amnesty will destroy what is left of American craftsmen and their contributions.
DanMan on December 26, 2013 at 5:22 PM

Yes and there was that ruling. Followed by a ruling in ’83 iirc that forced school districts to equalize spending. No more nice schools in richer districts that choose to tax and spend big bucks while poor districts got by on what they could extort from their own tax base. Since then, school costs prr students spiraled out of control with little to show for it.

AH_C on December 26, 2013 at 8:00 PM

The Dems have been funding 3rd party “conservative”/”libertarian” candidates in the general elections for the last three cycles. It won them a number of races. It did not win the 3rd party candidates any elections. Look at Canada and see what has happened when there are third parties that take a big chunk out of a mainstream party’s electorate. They get landslides for the mainstream party that was not split but very little power for the 3rd party. Remember that Teddy Roosevelt’s Bullmoose party got Woodrow Wilson elected not Teddy.I do not question your motives; but sometimes I wonder if some of the posters calling for a 3rd party are progressive lefty wolves wrapped in constitutional patriot wrappings.
KW64 on December 26, 2013 at 6:02 PM

Oh please. There’s a reason why some folks are know as LIVs. Did I advocate voting 3rd party for the sake of just doing it? Some posters may be wolves in sheep’s clothing but if you read their words, it’s pretty easy to figure out the conscience protestors vs the wolves.

Take HondaV65. I understand where he’s coming from but when I weigh my options, I just couldn’t bring myself to go that far but never did I take him to be concern trolling, especially when one considers the body of his postings prior to him taking that step.

On the flipside, he did vote whereas millions chose to just stay home. What if all those millions instead went and did a write in or 3rd party? Last year, if I could have I would have done so but okc did not allow writeins and no 3rd party conservative — actually there was none left or right for potus, so I voted none for mittness and voted rep downstream. As it were for my precinct i only had a rep and sheriff to vote for plus a referendum. This time, in another state, I have more options to include writeins. I will vote for each position with the best candidate for me regardless of party.

AH_C on December 26, 2013 at 8:17 PM

Got gobs of time on my hands today and thot I’d pitch in and help you smack some of the GOPe around. ;)

AH_C on December 26, 2013 at 3:27 PM

…I wish…you had…tons more time on your hands…waaaaaaay more often!

KOOLAID2 on December 26, 2013 at 11:26 PM

It’s scary that some people who finally saw the light about Obamacare when the site imploded would suddenly reverse their thinking in November. Idiots.

HellCat on December 27, 2013 at 1:30 AM

GOP lead in generic ballot still growing despite because ObamaCare website improvements

The more people see what this POS is going to do to their health care, the more people who will turn against it…and the Democrats that inflicted this upon them.

PD Quig on December 27, 2013 at 10:26 AM

Who in their right mind would vote for the GOP???? Those jerks passed a budget that increased spending, provided welfare benefits for illegal aliens and cut pensions for disabled and retired veterans.
Who in their right mind would reward that behavior?

paulsur on December 27, 2013 at 5:11 PM