Quotes of the day

posted at 9:11 pm on December 23, 2013 by Allahpundit

Phil Robertson has spoken out for the first time since his homophobic comments in a magazine interview went public and refused to go back on his controversial remarks, saying: ‘I will not give or back off from my path.’…

‘I love all men and women. I am a lover of humanity, not a hater,’ he added…

Then reading from the Bible he said, ‘The acts of the sinful nature are obvious. Sexual immorality, is number one on the list. How many ways can we sin sexually? My goodness. You open up that can of worms and people will be mad at you over it.

‘I am just reading what was written over 2000 years ago. Those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom. All I did was quote from the scriptures, but they just didn’t know it. Whether I said it, or they read it, what’s the difference? The sins are the same, humans haven’t changed.

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There are obvious levels of sinfulness; the smallest white lie is not the same as a rape, and committing one does not mean committing them all. But you can hear the rhythms of the terrified fundamentalist psyche behind all these words. It is not enough for sins to occur (because that would make our time no different than any other); it is always the case that we are confronting a crisis of sinfulness, and that crisis is always spinning out of control into apocalyptic scenarios. So you give in to the gays, you give in to everything evil, because “if you break one sin you may as well break them all.” And if you break them all, America ceases to exist.

To recap: fundamentalism is not the same as Christianity. It has certain psychological tropes. The first is to see sexual sin as far the worst of them and the root of all of them. The second is to see gays – whose very being represents sexual sin – as an enemy class within a society bringing about its destruction if they are not stopped or converted (see: Jews, Europe, circa 1300 – 1945). The third is to see these gays as opening the door to every other sin and evil. The fourth is to “lose our country.”

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Too many people are worshiping the Jesus they created, not the Jesus who is. Christ said to love, but he also said to go and sin no more. To love someone and not share the gospel — which includes a call for a penitent heart — is not truly love. It is this world’s definition of love, which, like the orcs or Mordor, is a perversion of the real thing God created.

That is something Tolkien got so spot on with Middle Earth. The evil things are corrupted or perverted things made to mimic the light and the good. Mordor has its own yard stick by which things can be measured, but its metrics are all based on evil.

Phil Robertson did nothing wrong. He just did not shy away from the parts of accepting Christ that make people uncomfortable. He loves people so much, he is not willing to give people the fast pass to Hell by telling them they are not sinners.

He did not judge. He just held up the yard stick and a whole lot of people did not like seeing it and realizing they’ve fallen short. In Mordor, after all, falling short is measuring up and measuring up is being a hater, homophobe, and judging.

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Yet when even the pope wonders aloud as to whether it’s appropriate for him to judge, you begin to see the difficulty of deciding what “true Christians” ought to believe. This raises the question of whether the religiously based principles are merely cultural artifacts that we bend to our own immediate purposes.

The answer lies in embracing a humility about how imperfectly human beings understand the divine, which is quite different from rejecting God or faith. This humility defines the chasm between a living religious tradition and a dead traditionalism. We need to admit how tempted we are to deify whatever commitments we have at a given moment. And those of us who are Christian need to acknowledge that over the history of the faith, there have been occasions when “a supposedly changeless truth has changed,” as the great church historian and theologian Jaroslav Pelikan put it.

What distinguishes this view from pure relativism is the insistence that truth itself exists. The Christian’s obligation is to engage in an ongoing quest for a clearer understanding of what it is. Robertson would disagree with me, but I’d say that we are going through precisely such an effort when it comes to how we think about homosexuality, much as Christians have done before on such matters as slavery, the role of women and the Earth’s place in the universe.

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Missing in the controversy over A&E’s handling of its golden goose—or duck, rather—is the fact that the real conflict here is not between Robertson and A&E; it is between gay activists and a solid majority of Christians who believe homosexual acts are wrong. Again, Robertson’s views are hardly anomalous. Christians may disagree on the details, but the Bible strongly condemns homosexuality in both the Old and New Testaments; the marriage model of one man and one woman is first given by God in Genesis 2 and reiterated by Jesus in Matthew 19; and in Romans 1 the Apostle Paul denounces homosexuality as a hallmark of a degenerate culture. The point here isn’t that you have to believe any of this, but many Christians do believe it and feel morally bound to believe it.

Instead of acknowledging this tension, however, A&E, GLAAD, and their supporters have responded with disingenuous expressions of shock and horror. And it matters that it’s disingenuous, because if they actually acknowledged that there is a genuine conflict between orthodox Christianity and homosexual sex (along with several forms of heterosexual sex) they would have to confront head-on the fact that calling for a boycott or pressuring for Robertson’s suspension tells orthodox Christians that their religion is no longer acceptable, and that’s not a very politically correct thing to do. Right now, they are trying to weasel out of it by characterizing Robertson as a backwoods bigot who takes his moral cues from Deliverance rather than from a straightforward reading of the Bible and the historic teachings of the Christian religion…

The message A&E’s decision sends is that the network will not tolerate someone who conscientiously objects to homosexuality on religious grounds. The implication of that message is that 45 percent of Americans should, in principle, be prepared either to sacrifice their jobs or recant their beliefs and endorse a lifestyle to which they are opposed, conscience be damned. To the extent that we embrace that implication, in television and in other American industries, we’re also embracing an identity as a nation that forces conformity while calling it tolerance.

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Noel Sheppard of Newsbusters mentioned in an interview that the producer and lead animator for A Charlie Brown Christmas were “were very concerned about mixing religion into the program” and even “met with Peanuts creator Charles Schulz to try to talk him into deleting that scene.” When the lead animator told Schulz, “It’s very dangerous for us to start talking about religion now,” Schulz replied by saying, “Bill, if we don’t, who will?”

Palin said was “thankful for people who stick to their guns.”

“We’ve seen just recently that traditional Biblical values are being forced out of the mainstream,” she said. “Would A&E, which tried to silence Phil Robertson’s Biblical beliefs, tolerate a cartoon character reading the Bible? I doubt it.”

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Good and fair read on all of this here.

verbaluce on December 24, 2013 at 9:04 AM

verbaluce on December 24, 2013 at 9:03 AM

GLAAD is a hate group. No different than the KKK, neo-Nazis, or Westboro Baptist Church. There is no tolerance or demand for civil rights in their agenda. If you don’t agree with them then you are some sort of a bigot.

That isn’t tolerance and you damned well know it. If GLAAD were interested in tolerance they wouldn’t go around people be fired for simply not holding the gay lifestyle in the same regard as they do. Put another way- get rid of the gay pride orgies and then maybe we can talk about the civil rights aspects of the gay lifestyle.

Happy Nomad on December 24, 2013 at 9:12 AM

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Stop suggesting you or Phil are in any way impeded from ranting however you wish.

verbaluce on December 24, 2013 at 9:03 AM

Seriously, all of this is just about gays being offended that a guy publicly and candidly reminded GQ readers what homosexuality is all about: high-risk, aberrant sexual conduct necessarily involving either fecal matter or foreign objects. If PR’s comments were “vile and reprehensible,” it’s because he described the conduct of homosexuals. By definition, it’s vile and reprehensible.

I say have at in the bedroom. But keep it in the bedroom. Keep it out of school curricula, and stop trying to memorialize it in public policy.

BuckeyeSam on December 24, 2013 at 9:15 AM

Stop suggesting you or Phil are in any way impeded from ranting however you wish.

verbaluce on December 24, 2013 at 9:03 AM

Sure buddy./ You’re living in some whacked alternate universe. Some of us have jobs and kids to worry about.

CWchangedhisNicagain on December 24, 2013 at 9:39 AM

Too bad the people who like to use the passage from Luke about not judging others lest you be judged also don’t understand the difference between judging and instruction. Judging is when one alcoholic tells another alcoholic that they drink too much. Instruction and reproof is when someone uses the Bible to teach which pathway for their life is one that Jesus would have them follow. He also said the way is narrow. Since the bible is not taught in schools or most homes, this may be the only exposure some will have to the Word.

Kissmygrits on December 24, 2013 at 9:39 AM

Kissmygrits on December 24, 2013 at 9:39 AM

Funny too they’re often judging when they pull that tired card.

CWchangedhisNicagain on December 24, 2013 at 9:40 AM

Kissmygrits on December 24, 2013 at 9:39 AM

They never seem to want to quote this one, though:

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

– 1 Corinthians 6: 9 – 10

kingsjester on December 24, 2013 at 9:47 AM

Stop suggesting you or Phil are in any way impeded from ranting however you wish.

verbaluce on December 24, 2013 at 9:03 AM

Seriously, all of this is just about gays being offended that a guy publicly and candidly reminded GQ readers what homosexuality is all about: high-risk, aberrant sexual conduct necessarily involving either fecal matter or foreign objects.

BuckeyeSam on December 24, 2013 at 9:15 AM

And there’s your rant.

verbaluce on December 24, 2013 at 10:03 AM

They never seem to want to quote this one, though:

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God?

– 1 Corinthians 6: 9 – 10

kingsjester on December 24, 2013 at 9:47 AM

Just trying to help you focus.

verbaluce on December 24, 2013 at 10:06 AM

verbaluce on December 24, 2013 at 10:06 AM

Pompous schmuck.

Is that focused enough for ya, Skippy?

kingsjester on December 24, 2013 at 10:26 AM

wolly4321 on December 24, 2013 at 12:40 AM

This is not a happy post, 4321. :)

Axe on December 24, 2013 at 12:49 AM

But a true one.

Solaratov on December 24, 2013 at 10:47 AM

Is that focused enough for ya, Skippy?

kingsjester on December 24, 2013 at 10:26 AM

Ha, I’m the pompous one…he who claims to know all.

Anyway…sincerley…
Merry Christmas, KJ!

verbaluce on December 24, 2013 at 10:55 AM

verbaluce on December 24, 2013 at 10:55 AM

Deflection.

You are never sincere…at least on these pages.
Merry CHRISTmas to you. Seek Him.

kingsjester on December 24, 2013 at 10:58 AM

1 And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed.

2 (And this taxing was first made when Cyrenius was governor of Syria.)

3 And all went to be taxed, every one into his own city.

4 And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David:)

5 To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child.

6 And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were accomplished that she should be delivered.

7 And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn.

8 And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night.

9 And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid.

10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.

11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

12 And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger.

13 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying,

14 Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.

15 And it came to pass, as the angels were gone away from them into heaven, the shepherds said one to another, Let us now go even unto Bethlehem, and see this thing which is come to pass, which the Lord hath made known unto us.

16 And they came with haste, and found Mary, and Joseph, and the babe lying in a manger.

17 And when they had seen it, they made known abroad the saying which was told them concerning this child.

18 And all they that heard it wondered at those things which were told them by the shepherds.

19 But Mary kept all these things, and pondered them in her heart.

20 And the shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all the things that they had heard and seen, as it was told unto them.

OmahaConservative on December 24, 2013 at 11:23 AM

As much as you insist Gays ‘demand tolerance’ – what they’ve actually been fighting for is equal rights.

verbaluce on December 24, 2013 at 9:03 AM

Bullsh!t. They can marry someone of the opposite sex just like I can. What they want to do is CHANGE that right to include them. But don’t claim it’s for equal rights… they already have that under the law.

dominigan on December 24, 2013 at 11:39 AM

I’m finally sitting down.

aaaaaaahhhhhhh, now then.

Merry Christmas Everybody.

MontanaMmmm on December 24, 2013 at 12:22 AM

MERRY CHRISTMAS, MONTANAMMMM!

Axe on December 24, 2013 at 11:46 AM

Too many people are worshiping the Jesus they created, not the Jesus who is. Christ said to love, but he also said to go and sin no more. To love someone and not share the gospel — which includes a call for a penitent heart — is not truly love. It is this world’s definition of love, which, like the orcs or Mordor, is a perversion of the real thing God created.

So, you can strip this of it’s explicitly religious references and find it valid. What the popular culture calls “love” is little more than sexual desire with some level of psychological dependence, which many conflate with a more classic definition of “love” that involves a deeper, voluntary concern. Pop culture takes as a given that love is involuntary and uncontrollable, something that has to be obeyed rather than something that needs to be built and nurtured.

Count to 10 on December 24, 2013 at 12:40 PM

I must have a 1,000 cousins. Don’t know any of them. Knew them all back when.

We had corncob fights in the crib. Corncob crib..

Might be someone who knows what that is.

wolly4321 on December 24, 2013 at 1:21 AM

Heh. Throw a black snake in and watch the mice run.

davidk on December 24, 2013 at 1:04 PM

Personally, I want to marry three Capuchin monkeys, and a rusty metal swingset in my backyard.
And all of you who object are restricting my RIGHTS as an individual! Because of your narrow-minded, bigoted, religious zealotry and intolerance. Or something.

Translation: ST*U, GLAAD. Nobody’s listening to your echo-chamber screed.

orangemtl on December 24, 2013 at 1:23 PM

If gays want to be “accepted” they have to be tolerant of those who disagree with their lifestyle choices. You don’t get there by being offended whenever somebody doesn’t agree with every bit of your agenda. It is to this intolerance that people are up in arms about- not whatever it is that Robertson actually said.

Happy Nomad on December 24, 2013 at 7:50 AM

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Here’s where your argument is actually an agenda –
As much as you insist Gays ‘demand tolerance’ – what they’ve actually been fighting for is equal rights.
You know, real and tangible rights.

verbaluce on December 24, 2013 at 9:03 AM

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Marriage is not a “right.” If that’s not what you meant, then what are the rights that they’re claiming that they’re being denied?
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Your riff on ‘tolerance’ and the whole ‘everyone must tolerate intolerance’ – it IS is tolerated. As the comments section here too often proves, people are free to say a full range of things. Robertson remains as free to say what he wants as GLAAD remains free to say what they want. So this is a b.s. argument.

verbaluce on December 24, 2013 at 9:03 AM

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Okay, I can agree with those lines.
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You want an excuse to say ‘gay people are bad’ and you want that excuse to be the Bible. Go for it.

verbaluce on December 24, 2013 at 9:03 AM

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Nobody needs an “excuse” to call anyone else “bad.”

The Bible doesn’t say homosexuals, or sodomites are “bad.”
It says homosexuality and sodomy are bad.
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But as I’ve said before and remains true, Phil is a relic…for sure his way of thinking is.

verbaluce on December 24, 2013 at 9:03 AM

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On what grounds/basis do you make that claim ? ! ? !

What the (expletive) constitutes a “relic”, as you used it?
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What you really want is for him to be commended for what he said. Well go ahead, praise his words all you want. Stop suggesting you or Phil are in any way impeded from ranting however you wish.

verbaluce on December 24, 2013 at 9:03 AM

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How did you arrive at the conclusion that we want “him to be commended for what he said”?

I’m not “praising” him. I don’t believe Phil is anything more than “normal”, for what he said.
I also believe that claiming ‘homosexuality’ to be a valid alternate state of “normal”, is AB-normal.
I believe the “abnormality of homosexuality” to be so ‘self-evident’ as to defy any claim to the contrary.

listens2glenn on December 24, 2013 at 1:48 PM

A&E has clearly lied to GLAAD and the LGBT community over this, as evidenced by the fact they are playing a Duck Dynasty marathon tomorrow that will include Phil Robertson.

dogsoldier on December 24, 2013 at 4:05 PM

My gay brother is with me for Christmas week, and while we love each other very much, and are what I call friends (ie someone you would hang out with even if you hadn’t grown up with them), we clashed over this Phil thing. My brother thinks that at the very least, Phil should have formulated some suave response instead of the “hurtful” one he used. I argued that people aren’t under any obligation to be suave or to lie to avoid hurting someone. I declined to sign a letter of support for Phil that sounded pretty fundamentalist and hellfirish. I’m not going to support that.

I love my brother, and being gay is a part of who he is (although IMHO it’s a sliver, compared to his big heart and sizzling talent). It occurs to me now, that his gay identity has sidetracked him from fulfilling his true gifts and creativity, and love, and has robbed him of or delayed personal fulfillment. So much of the gay lifestyle, at least in his case, involves self-degradation of one form or another. All of this sexual envelope-pushing, if you understand my meaning, devalues everyone involved.

While we may not be able to choose our sexuality, every day we make a choice about how we are going to live our lives. We are the Almighty’s creations, and must value ourselves accordingly.

I inadvertently wounded him with an ill-chosen word, and realize that it’s going to be difficult for me to approach this idea I have about his lifestyle standing in the way of true happiness for him. I’m afraid that he’s going to reflexively feel that I’m rejecting a part of him, but as I’ve come closer to God, I’ve been examining the standards He has for us all.

disa on December 26, 2013 at 1:22 AM

When people ask “what would Jesus do,” remind them that grabbing a whip and overturning tables is a viable option.

gryphon202 on December 26, 2013 at 7:06 AM

Jesse Jackson just weighed in… he must need some “walking around money” from A&E…

Khun Joe on December 26, 2013 at 11:14 AM

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