Israelis set to push for Pollard release after Snowden cache shows US/UK spying on Israel

posted at 9:01 am on December 23, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Looks like Angela Merkel has more company.  Over the weekend, another release from the Edward Snowden cache of stolen NSA material showed that the US and UK actively spied on Israel, tapping communications at the highest levels, and did the same with foreign NGOs and commercial enterprises as well.  The British and American efforts included taps on former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and Defense Minister Ehud Barak:

Secret documents reveal more than 1,000 targets of American and British surveillance in recent years, including the office of an Israeli prime minister, heads of international aid organizations, foreign energy companies and a European Union official involved in antitrust battles with American technology businesses.

While the names of some political and diplomatic leaders have previously emerged as targets, the newly disclosed intelligence documents provide a much fuller portrait of the spies’ sweeping interests in more than 60 countries.

Britain’s Government Communications Headquarters, working closely with the National Security Agency, monitored the communications of senior European Union officials, foreign leaders including African heads of state and sometimes their family members, directors of United Nations and other relief programs, and officials overseeing oil and finance ministries, according to the documents. In addition to Israel, some targets involved close allies like France and Germany, where tensions have already erupted over recent revelations about spying by the N.S.A. …

The reports show that spies monitored the email traffic of several Israeli officials, including one target identified as “Israeli prime minister,” followed by an email address. The prime minister at the time, in January 2009, was Ehud Olmert. The next month, spies intercepted the email traffic of the Israeli defense minister, Ehud Barak, according to another report. Two Israeli embassies also appear on the target lists.

Neither Olmert nor Barak gave any public indication of being terribly impressed by the news. Barak declined to comment on the revelation, but the New York Times notes that he has publicly commented on his continuing assumption of being monitored at all times. Olmert called the e-mail account “an unimpressive target,” and said it wasn’t used for any sensitive communications.

That doesn’t mean that Israel is shrugging off the news entirely.  They publicly dressed down the US yesterday:

“The tracking after prime ministers and defense ministers is not legitimate and not acceptable to us,” the spokesman of Intelligence Minister Yuval Steinitz said, according to a CNN translation. “There is an intelligence alliance between (the United States and Israel) at an unprecedented level, and we are sharing the most sensitive (intelligence) material.”

That may not be the end of it, either. Israel has tried for many years to get the US to release convicted spy Jonathan Pollard, and officials in Jerusalem see this embarrassment as a new opening:

Revelations that U.S. and British spy agencies intercepted e-mails and tapped the phone lines of an Israeli prime minister and other top officials caused a stir here Sunday, with some legislators using the disclosures to draw attention to the case of a Jewish American who has been held in a U.S. prison for more than 26 years, convicted of spying on the United States for Israel. …

“This is a severe case, and I hope this is the iceberg rather than the tip of the iceberg,” said Yuli Edelstein, speaker of the Knesset, the Jerusalem Post reported. “Otherwise, this case is liable to do damage to our relations with the U.S.”

Ayelet Shaked, who chairs the Knesset caucus that lobbies for Pollard’s release, said, “It is completely unfathomable that the United States, a most trusted ally and friend of Israel, would hold to such a blatant double standard by continuing to keep Jonathan Pollard in prison while at the same time conducting systematic espionage against Israeli officials.”

Jeff Dunetz approves:

The truth is friends spy on friends, it is only a big deal when it gets exposed publicly, but now that it has been exposed publicly, its time for Israel and friends of Israel to demand the release of Jonathan Pollard.

Pollards imprisonment was justified, like Edward Snowden he deserved to go to prison because he illegally passed along classified information, but after 29 years in prison he has more than served his time. …

Pollard is eligible for parole from his life sentence in 2015, but its time to let him go now. No one else in the history of the United States has ever received a life sentence for passing classified information to an ally only Jonathan Pollard. To put it in perspective, Bradley Manning has been sentenced to 35 years in prison for passing hundreds of thousands of classified military documents to WikiLeaks. It is believed that some of Manning’s revelations led to deaths of American sources across the world. The has never been evidence that the secrets Pollard handed to Israel were ever made public or used against the United States in any manner.

Now that it’s been revealed that the United States spied on Israel’s Prime Minister and Defense Minister, the United States has no moral excuse to do anything else, it’s time to release Jonathan Pollard who is serving a life sentence for giving Israel information that the U.S. already committed to give her.

I’m not quite as sanguine about this idea as Jeff. For one thing, I’d argue that Manning’s sentence was far too light, and use Pollard as a reference point. Having had clearances myself (lower level than anyone mentioned in this argument — by far), I’d also argue that they all knew full well what they were doing and the consequences for those actions. The material they took did not belong to them, and they violated a trust that damaged not just their own lives, but the safety and security of hundreds of millions of Americans. Those actions have to have grave consequences in order to serve as an example to others who might otherwise decide to abuse the trust placed in them to conduct their own foreign policy or form their own transparency squad.

However, Pollard has been imprisoned already for more than a quarter-century, and the circumstances are changed now. It’s difficult to argue for continuing his imprisonment after these revelations, and it’s going to be doubly difficult for the intelligence establishment to stand on principle to demand his continued incarceration. Pollard’s release might smooth over the momentary contretemps, while his value as a cautionary tale is questionable now anyway.


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Great. Here comes the U.S.S. Liberty crowd.

M240H on December 23, 2013 at 9:06 AM

Israel is notorious for spying on friends and foes alike. I’m a big supporter of the nation but let’s get real. They have absolutely no standing to kvetch about spying.

MJBrutus on December 23, 2013 at 9:08 AM

Topical.

Jeddite on December 23, 2013 at 9:18 AM

I’m a big supporter of the nation but let’s get real. They have absolutely no standing to kvetch about spying.

MJBrutus on December 23, 2013 at 9:08 AM

Go to the mirror, boy!

Truth be told: Pollard never spied on the US for Israel

Shy Guy on December 23, 2013 at 9:22 AM

However, Pollard has been imprisoned already for more than a quarter-century, and the circumstances are changed now. It’s difficult to argue for continuing his imprisonment after these revelations, and it’s going to be doubly difficult for the intelligence establishment to stand on principle to demand his continued incarceration. Pollard’s release might smooth over the momentary contretemps, while his value as a cautionary tale is questionable now anyway.

Pollard is a spy. Manning is a spy. Snowden is a spy. None of them are patriots and all should be incarcerated to the fullest extent of the law. In other words, eligible for parole doesn’t mean that Pollard should be released in a couple of years. What I’ve never understood is just why the Israelis get so worked up over his continued incarceration.

Happy Nomad on December 23, 2013 at 9:23 AM

Israel is notorious for spying on friends and foes alike. I’m a big supporter of the nation but let’s get real. They have absolutely no standing to kvetch about spying.

MJBrutus on December 23, 2013 at 9:08 AM

True, but at the same time, without Israeli INTEL our troop losses in Iraq would’ve been at least double. I speak having benefitted from that intelligence source personally.

M240H on December 23, 2013 at 9:25 AM

Pollard didn’t provide information out of some false sense of loyalty. He took MONEY for the information.

Let him rot!

GarandFan on December 23, 2013 at 9:26 AM

Didn’t the info Pollard gave to Israel ultimately end up being passed on to the Soviets?

Mark1971 on December 23, 2013 at 9:31 AM

This is why you execute traitors. Then no one can agitate for their release 20+ years later.

SAZMD on December 23, 2013 at 9:34 AM

Pollard didn’t provide information out of some false sense of loyalty. He took MONEY for the information.

Let him rot!

GarandFan on December 23, 2013 at 9:26 AM

Exactly! And not only that, he wasn’t recruited by Israel. He volunteered to spy for them.

Happy Nomad on December 23, 2013 at 9:36 AM

M240H on December 23, 2013 at 9:25 AM

True dat and good point.

MJBrutus on December 23, 2013 at 9:37 AM

Next chapter — Putin joins Israel in its quest for Pollard’s freedom, saying it’s just the moral thing to do (tipping his hat to his recent pardons of his own political enemies).

Then it’s checkmate, jugears, and the US gets the short straw again.

platypus on December 23, 2013 at 9:37 AM

Pollard is a spy. Manning is a spy. Snowden is a spy. None of them are patriots and all should be incarcerated to the fullest extent of the law. In other words, eligible for parole doesn’t mean that Pollard should be released in a couple of years. What I’ve never understood is just why the Israelis get so worked up over his continued incarceration.

Happy Nomad on December 23, 2013 at 9:23 AM

Yup. This is a dumb move on the part of the Israelis.

Punchenko on December 23, 2013 at 9:53 AM

None of them are patriots and all should be incarcerated to the fullest extent of the law.

Happy Nomad on December 23, 2013 at 9:23 AM

In all similar cases, the maximum sentence was 3-4 years for similar crimes.

Pollard is the only one who has served 28 years for such a crime.

Shy Guy on December 23, 2013 at 10:00 AM

If you give up U.S. secrets you go to jail… for life. Period.

Punchenko on December 23, 2013 at 10:00 AM

No release for Pollard – at some point – treason must have a price

jake-the-goose on December 23, 2013 at 10:00 AM

If you give up U.S. secrets you go to jail… for life. Period.

Punchenko on December 23, 2013 at 10:00 AM

That’s not true under similar circumstances. Never was.

No release for Pollard – at some point – treason must have a price

jake-the-goose on December 23, 2013 at 10:00 AM

False. He was not charged with treason. He was not accused of aiding and abetting an enemy state of the US.

Shy Guy on December 23, 2013 at 10:10 AM

Thank you, Snowden, for exposing another violation of an American’s rights!

This guy needs to be caught and put away in a dungeon for a term of forever and a day.

NavyMustang on December 23, 2013 at 10:15 AM

Truth be told: Pollard never spied on the US for Israel

Shy Guy on December 23, 2013 at 9:22 AM

The Dept of Justice and Judge Robinson disagree with your assessment…

JohnGalt23 on December 23, 2013 at 10:21 AM

The fact is that Pollard is in jail for this long, only because he is a Jew. Caspar Weinberger was an open Jew hater and he is the one that pushed for the life sentence. Yes, Pollard should have been punished but a non-Jew would have gotten 10 years at most, probably less. None of the information passed to Israel endangered any US operatives and certainly did not endanger the US. This is all about the well established Jew hating that has been part of DOD and State pretty much forever and pushed by a total racist Jew hater, Weinberger

georgealbert on December 23, 2013 at 10:23 AM

Who’s embarrassed? I have no doubt all nations spy on each other. You get caught, you get caught. But Pollard is an American citizen spying against his own country. And as I remember it, he was trying to shop around info to other countries besides Israel. He only has a few more years to go, he should shut up and do them.

Blake on December 23, 2013 at 10:23 AM

In all similar cases, the maximum sentence was 3-4 years for similar crimes.

Pollard is the only one who has served 28 years for such a crime.

Shy Guy on December 23, 2013 at 10:00 AM

Depends on what you’re calling similar cases. I suspect that you’d downplay Pollard’s actions to make him into the martyr that Israel claims he is.

Ames and Hanssen, to name two, got life sentences. Which is why Snowden is so busy trying to find somewhere who will provide him political asylum. He’s destined to spending the rest of his life in an orange jumpsuit should he ever be brought to justice for what he did.

Happy Nomad on December 23, 2013 at 10:25 AM

The Dept of Justice and Judge Robinson disagree with your assessment…

JohnGalt23 on December 23, 2013 at 10:21 AM

As the article states:

“Contrary to the widespread belief, the CIA report reveals that Pollard did not procure secrets about the United States—nor did Israel ask him to. The intelligence he provided his Israeli handlers consisted of the information that the United States had acquired concerning Arab and other Middle Eastern states. This information may not change the minds of long-time detractors, but it vindicates those who have argued that Pollard, having already served a punishment that fit his crime, should be released.”

And then read what follows as well.

Shy Guy on December 23, 2013 at 10:25 AM

The fact is that Pollard is in jail for this long, only because he is a Jew.

georgealbert on December 23, 2013 at 10:23 AM

That’s some kind of stupid you’ve got there.

I’d say the aftermath of the Walker Spy ring had more to do with it than hatred of a Jew.

John Walker, BTW, is scheduled for release in 2015 after 30 years in prison. Did Weinberger hate him too?

Happy Nomad on December 23, 2013 at 10:28 AM

…let him go!

KOOLAID2 on December 23, 2013 at 10:29 AM

Great. Here comes the U.S.S. Liberty crowd.

M240H on December 23, 2013 at 9:06 AM

Yep, Paultards and 9/11 twoofers too.

Alberta_Patriot on December 23, 2013 at 10:31 AM

Depends on what you’re calling similar cases. I suspect that you’d downplay Pollard’s actions to make him into the martyr that Israel claims he is.

Happy Nomad on December 23, 2013 at 10:25 AM

The US is making him a martyr. He’s guilty and even without the agreed-to plea, which the court did not honor, no one else was sentenced like Pollard.

Ames and Hanssen

Ames and Hanssen were both indicted for treason. Pollard was not.

Why don’t you look them up and compare exactly what all 3 did to realize that there’s one criminal here with a very warped sentence. The punishment does not fit the crime.

Shy Guy on December 23, 2013 at 10:32 AM

Great. Here comes the U.S.S. Liberty crowd.

M240H on December 23, 2013 at 9:06 AM

What’s your point/fear?

Do you think the Israeli government is only capable of telling the truth? That it didn’t lie to the US about Jonathan Pollard for years? That the Lavon Affair was fiction? That the Israeli government should never be criticized, and that all criticism of Israel is due to anti-Semitism?

My take: Jonathan Pollard was not a US patriot; Israelis have been proven to be just as capable of unethical behavior as the rest of humanity.

Anti-Control on December 23, 2013 at 10:37 AM

Why don’t you look them up and compare exactly what all 3 did to realize that there’s one criminal here with a very warped sentence. The punishment does not fit the crime.

Shy Guy on December 23, 2013 at 10:32 AM

Actually I think Pollard got off light. Just not as light as other cases that you want to throw up to pretend that there is some unfairness about spying on America. Anybody put in a position of trust with classified documents who knowingly betrays that trust for money does not deserve to walk the earth a a free person ever again. Period.

I’m sick of the rabid apologists for Snowden, Manning, or any of these older criminals making the claim that there is some sort of mitigating factor at play here. Next thing your very stupid apologists will be claiming is that Pollard really wasn’t a spy in the first place…… Oh wait a minute, one of you already did!

Happy Nomad on December 23, 2013 at 10:38 AM

There is a huge difference between passive intelligence gathering and using traitors in order to collect evidence from allies. The United States has communicated as much to Israel several times over the last few decades. Pollard is nearing the end of his sentence. Israel does not treat it’s own traitors nearly as well as the US has treated Pollard.

lexhamfox on December 23, 2013 at 10:38 AM

That’s some kind of stupid you’ve got there.

I’d say the aftermath of the Walker Spy ring had more to do with it than hatred of a Jew.

John Walker, BTW, is scheduled for release in 2015 after 30 years in prison. Did Weinberger hate him too?

Happy Nomad on December 23, 2013 at 10:28 AM

John Walker was convicted for spying for an enemy, with intent to harm the US. Pollard was not.

Shy Guy on December 23, 2013 at 10:39 AM

It was a plea bargain. Pollard pled to one count of conspiracy to commit espionage in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 794(c) which carries up to a life sentence (which usually means 30 years) in exchange for them going light on his wife and that they would not file additional charges against him.

Blake on December 23, 2013 at 10:39 AM

He was arrested on Nov 21, 1985 and his projected release date is 11/21/2015. He may be released earlier in 2015 to go into a half way house. Since he’s planning to leave the country, they may not.

Blake on December 23, 2013 at 10:47 AM

The US is making him a martyr.

Shy Guy on December 23, 2013 at 10:32 AM

LOL, no — no we’re not. He’s a sleazy traitor and will always be remembered as a sleazy traitor by upstanding and loyal Americans..

Punchenko on December 23, 2013 at 10:48 AM

John Walker was convicted for spying for an enemy, with intent to harm the US. Pollard was not.

Shy Guy on December 23, 2013 at 10:39 AM

And like Manning and Snowden, Pollard did not have the right or moral imperitive to steal classified material no matter intent. And once delivered, he had no control over whether or not the information provided would harm the United States.

It must be very hard for you to have to try to find some way that Pollard is some sort of Israeli hero even though he is an American criminal and convicted spy.

Happy Nomad on December 23, 2013 at 10:50 AM

He was arrested on Nov 21, 1985 and his projected release date is 11/21/2015. He may be released earlier in 2015 to go into a half way house. Since he’s planning to leave the country, they may not.

Blake on December 23, 2013 at 10:47 AM

Pollared rightfully got a life sentence. He is ELIGIBLE for parole in 2015.

Happy Nomad on December 23, 2013 at 10:52 AM

It was a plea bargain. Pollard pled to one count of conspiracy to commit espionage in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 794(c) which carries up to a life sentence (which usually means 30 years) in exchange for them going light on his wife and that they would not file additional charges against him.

Blake on December 23, 2013 at 10:39 AM

Nothing compares

Shy Guy on December 23, 2013 at 10:53 AM

For those interested:

US v. Pollard, 959 F.2d 1011 (1992)

Blake on December 23, 2013 at 10:53 AM

John Walker was convicted for spying for an enemy, with intent to harm the US. Pollard was not.

Shy Guy on December 23, 2013 at 10:39 AM

And BTW, it was Pollard that ruined his own life, not the United States government.

Happy Nomad on December 23, 2013 at 10:53 AM

Nothing compares

Shy Guy on December 23, 2013 at 10:53 AM

Apples and oranges.

Blake on December 23, 2013 at 10:56 AM

That the Israeli government should never be criticized, and that all criticism of Israel is due to anti-Semitism?

Anti-Control on December 23, 2013 at 10:37 AM

It’s kind of the “That’s Racist!!!!” card, for the right-wing…

JohnGalt23 on December 23, 2013 at 10:58 AM

I’m a strong supporter of Israel. I’m not a supporter of Pollard. He should do the rest of his time which is minimal and stop whining.

Blake on December 23, 2013 at 11:02 AM

And BTW, it was Pollard that ruined his own life, not the United States government.

Happy Nomad on December 23, 2013 at 10:53 AM

I disagree…the US government has shown the same kind of harassment & cruelty against US superpatriot Snowden, refusing to unfreeze his passport, violating his rights as a human being to do whatever the hell he wants, including theft and breaking his vows, without having to face any repercussion.

Anti-Control on December 23, 2013 at 11:05 AM

Pollared rightfully got a life sentence. He is ELIGIBLE for parole in 2015.

Happy Nomad on December 23, 2013 at 10:52 AM

I’m sure they will release him on 11/2015 or earlier. He’s whiny but he hasn’t shived anyone in the showers. Since parole has been abolished for the majority of prisoners and Pollard wishes to leave the country, I suspect they will just release him from parole and send him on his way.

Blake on December 23, 2013 at 11:07 AM

Apples and oranges.

Blake on December 23, 2013 at 10:56 AM

Precisely. You’re just strengthening my point!

Shy Guy on December 23, 2013 at 11:10 AM

Let’s make a deal.

If the Mossad delivers Snowden to us, they can have Pollard in return.

Then Snowden can be prosecuted for fraud, security breaches, and theft, at least.

profitsbeard on December 23, 2013 at 11:10 AM

Speaking as a patriot and a Jew…I think the Pollard is a traitor who needs to continue rotting in prison.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 23, 2013 at 11:16 AM

Precisely. You’re just strengthening my point!

Shy Guy on December 23, 2013 at 11:10 AM

Only in YOUR mind!

Blake on December 23, 2013 at 11:17 AM

I’m usually a big Israel supporter, especially when the PM seems more pro-American than the president of the US, but in this case, they can pound sand. We spy on everyone, even allies, and they need to get used to that fact.

thebrokenrattle on December 23, 2013 at 11:19 AM

After the holidays are over, I am calling both my Senators and my Congressman to demand the release of Pollard. One Senator and my Congressman are Democrat so I hardly ever call them, but I think on this issue I can.

thuja on December 23, 2013 at 11:21 AM

It’s kind of the “That’s Racist!!!!” card, for the right-wing…

JohnGalt23 on December 23, 2013 at 10:58 AM

Yep! It’s tribalistic, and stupid.

The Israeli government should be treated no differently than any of our other allies – they’re not perfect, and their interests do not always coincide 100% with our government’s.

No one should be made to be afraid to freely criticize them, and anyone who tries to suppress criticism against them by crying “Anti-Semitism!” before judging the evidence needs to be shamed.

Anti-Control on December 23, 2013 at 11:22 AM

thuja on December 23, 2013 at 11:21 AM

I’m calling Cruz and Cornyn and asking them NOT to support the release of Pollard.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 23, 2013 at 11:25 AM

Obama isn’t going to grant a commutation to anyone before Jan. 2017.

Blake on December 23, 2013 at 11:27 AM

The Israeli government should be treated no differently than any of our other allies – they’re not perfect, and their interests do not always coincide 100% with our government’s.

Anti-Control on December 23, 2013 at 11:22 AM

Of course they should be treated differently. Shd we treat them like the Saudis who are also our ally? No thanks. And they are also the only democracy in that region.

Blake on December 23, 2013 at 11:32 AM

Of course they should be treated differently. Shd we treat them like the Saudis who are also our ally? No thanks. And they are also the only democracy in that region.

Blake on December 23, 2013 at 11:32 AM

Do you disagree with me that their government is imperfect, and that their interests don’t always coincide with ours? If you don’t disagree with those points I was making, then you are arguing with a phantom – proceed as you wish!

Anti-Control on December 23, 2013 at 11:38 AM

Anti-Control on December 23, 2013 at 11:38 AM

YAWN

Blake on December 23, 2013 at 11:41 AM

I don’t remember enough about the pollard case to converse on it so I won’t, but manning should have had a field grade execution.
that little pissant got lucky. would have loved to see him enter a nuke area under 2 man rule when I was in, and that was long before him so its a pipe dream. problem would have been solved.

dmacleo on December 23, 2013 at 11:41 AM

Things aren’t going well for Snowden. It appears Brazil won’t give him asylum. Russia has to be a terrible place to end up in.

Blake on December 23, 2013 at 11:42 AM

Of course they should be treated differently. Shd we treat them like the Saudis who are also our ally? No thanks. And they are also the only democracy in that region.

Blake on December 23, 2013 at 11:32 AM

We do treat them differently. Israel is not being punished. US military aid to Israel and diplomatic support has increased since the Pollard case. A US official who took money in exchange for US secrets is being punished for being an agent of a foreign government in violation of various covenants between himself and his employer. He is a traitor who betrayed his colleagues and his country.

lexhamfox on December 23, 2013 at 12:11 PM

Didn’t the info Pollard gave to Israel ultimately end up being passed on to the Soviets?

Mark1971 on December 23, 2013 at 9:31 AM

No, that was a lie created by a real traitor, Aldrich Ames, to cover his own spying for the Soviets. It was Ames who got American agents killed, not Pollard.

Pollard broke the law. He deserved some punishment, but he spied for an ally. Anyone who equates his actions with those of Ames, the Walkers and others who were guilty of treason, spying for enemies, has a warped moral calculus. The current administration has leaked far more information damaging to the U.S. than Pollard turned over to the Israelis, which was mostly stuff about Arab countries, not the U.S. Most of that material, btw, should already have been supplied to Israel per terms of agreements.

The late SCOTUS justice Arthur Goldberg said the the government deliberately leaked info falsely accusing Pollard of helping the then apartheid government of South Africa, to Judge Aubrey Robinson, a black man. That ex parte contact alone is enough to question Pollard’s sentence. Cap Weinberger actively and improperly lobbied the judge, lying about Pollard.

Pollard’s no saint but there is a lot about his case that stinks.

Oh, and not every criticism of Israeli policy is anti-semitic, just those that hold Israel to a double standard.

rokemronnie on December 23, 2013 at 12:18 PM

What I’ve never understood is just why the Israelis get so worked up over his continued incarceration.

Happy Nomad on December 23, 2013 at 9:23 AM

they want their guy back …. they can rot …
and yes … I am part of the USS Liberty crowd I guess,
what Israel did was a declaration of war.
and be glad I was not POTUS, Haifa would still be glowing in he dark.

conservative tarheel on December 23, 2013 at 12:43 PM

Pollard is a spy. Manning is a spy. Snowden is a spy. None of them are patriots and all should be incarcerated to the fullest extent of the law. In other words, eligible for parole doesn’t mean that Pollard should be released in a couple of years. What I’ve never understood is just why the Israelis get so worked up over his continued incarceration.

Happy Nomad on December 23, 2013 at 9:23 AM

Amen. Somebody who gets it. Snowden has been releasing foreign intelligence gathering information since shortly after his initial release.

rlwo2008 on December 23, 2013 at 12:47 PM

Pollard will be released 2015 or earlier. There are rules and regulations regarding the release of prisoners. If he doesn’t have serious violations while incarcerated, he will be released.

While I am not an expert, being neither a Jew nor an Israeli, I believe there is a religious tradition or law to do everything in your power for the release of Jewish “captives.”

Blake on December 23, 2013 at 1:13 PM

they want their guy back …. they can rot …
and yes … I am part of the USS Liberty crowd I guess,
what Israel did was a declaration of war.
and be glad I was not POTUS, Haifa would still be glowing in he dark.

conservative tarheel on December 23, 2013 at 12:43 PM

Really? So what was the motive? Any better explanation than a US spy-ship being accidentally targeted because it was right off the coast of a war zone?

Tell us detective, you must have a motive in mind?

ebrawer on December 23, 2013 at 1:20 PM

conservative tarheel on December 23, 2013 at 12:43 PM

The attack on the Liberty was a horrible case of friendly fire.
I’ve always liked your comments-but I won’t continue to do so if you’re one of ‘those’ people.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 23, 2013 at 1:46 PM

Look at how democrats stereotype gay men!! This is the gay equivalent of an ad aimed at blacks showing happy darkies singin’ in the cotton fields and munching watermelon and fried chicken. Also, notice the gingerbread house, yuk!! Even the Log Cabin homosexuals are upset about it.

Dollayo on December 23, 2013 at 1:54 PM

He was pretty good in Bonnie and Clyde.

Tyrone Slothrop on December 23, 2013 at 1:54 PM

Exactly! And not only that, he wasn’t recruited by Israel. He volunteered to spy for them.

Happy Nomad on December 23, 2013 at 9:36 AM

He never exactly spied on the US and put sensitiveinfo out there, the way Snowden did, he simply got intel that the US had related to the Arab nations and their plans in the region and passed it unto israel. That hardly qualifies as spying on the US. And he did more than his time anyways. Snowden is globe trotting with impunity and being held as a hero while this one did too much time in prison for far, far less.

jimver on December 23, 2013 at 2:08 PM

Really? So what was the motive? Any better explanation than a US spy-ship being accidentally targeted because it was right off the coast of a war zone?

Tell us detective, you must have a motive in mind?

ebrawer on December 23, 2013 at 1:20 PM

Interested in the evidence/facts of the incident, apart from conjecture?

Why don’t you take your time, and make a credible attempt to explain how the attack could have been “accidental,” with “no bad intent” behind it, considering that it was unprovoked, and lasted 2 hours…the Liberty was a very lightly armed ship, was located in international waters, had been surveilled by the Israelis at least 8 times over an 8-hour period, and had its lifeboats targeted as they tried to escape.

Do you dispute any of that? You aren’t going to say that all of the eyewitness testimony of the Liberty’s survivors was fairy-talish, created by anti-Semites, are you?

Anti-Control on December 23, 2013 at 2:30 PM

That’s some kind of stupid you’ve got there.

I’d say the aftermath of the Walker Spy ring had more to do with it than hatred of a Jew.

John Walker, BTW, is scheduled for release in 2015 after 30 years in prison. Did Weinberger hate him too?

Happy Nomad on December 23, 2013 at 10:28 AM
==================================================
Walker caused the murder of several US operatives and he spied against the US giving classified information to an enemy of the US…

Nomad, maybe, just for the hell of it, try knowing WTF you are talking about before opening your pie hole

georgealbert on December 23, 2013 at 2:52 PM

I am part of the USS Liberty crowd I guess,
what Israel did was a declaration of war.
and be glad I was not POTUS, Haifa would still be glowing in he dark.

conservative tarheel on December 23, 2013 at 12:43 PM

At least that would be consistent.

The first Holocaust was justified with paranoid nonsensical anti-semitic conspiracy theories too.

Alberta_Patriot on December 23, 2013 at 3:27 PM

Reuters Top News ‏@Reuters 5h

Netanyahu says any U.S. spying on Israel unacceptable http://reut.rs/JVhQAl
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Netanyahu says any U.S. spying on Israel unacceptable

JERUSALEM Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:45am EST
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/23/us-israel-usa-spying-idUSBRE9BM0IG20131223?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&dlvrit=992637

canopfor on December 23, 2013 at 3:41 PM

Israel is notorious for spying on friends and foes alike. I’m a big supporter of the nation but let’s get real. They have absolutely no standing to kvetch about spying.

You misspelled “America.”

calbear on December 23, 2013 at 4:12 PM

The attack on the Liberty was a horrible case of friendly fire.
I’ve always liked your comments-but I won’t continue to do so if you’re one of ‘those’ people.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 23, 2013 at 1:46 PM

atp – I am sorry … but it was far from friendly fire, I worked as a cryptologist
for 20 years, Israel knew exactly who and what the USS Liberty was.
the ship was in international waters and was attacked by Israel.

I support Israel’s right to protect herself from those who mean
her harm. I do not support her right to attack non combatants in international
waters.

conservative tarheel on December 23, 2013 at 5:51 PM

Speaking as a patriot and a Jew…I think the Pollard is a traitor who needs to continue rotting in prison.

annoyinglittletwerp on December 23, 2013 at 11:16 AM

Thanks for that. I wholeheartedly agree with you.

V7_Sport on December 23, 2013 at 8:16 PM

V7_Sport on December 23, 2013 at 8:16 PM

with you both there ….

conservative tarheel on December 23, 2013 at 10:44 PM


Truth be told: Pollard never spied on the US for Israel

Shy Guy on December 23, 2013 at 9:22 AM

Huh. Then why’d they pay him cash money?

Pollard was paid well by the Israelis: he received a salary that eventually reached twenty-five hundred dollars a month, and tens of thousands of dollars in cash disbursements for hotels, meals, and even jewelry. In his pre-sentencing statement to Judge Robinson, Pollard depicted the money as a benefit that was forced on him. “I did accept money for my services,” he acknowledged, but only “as a reflection of how well I was doing my job.” He went on to assert that he had later told his controller, Rafi Eitan, a longtime spy who at the time headed a scientific-intelligence unit in Israel, that “I not only intended to repay all the money I’d received but, also, was going to establish a chair at the Israeli General Staff’s Intelligence Training Center outside Tel Aviv.”

Akzed on December 23, 2013 at 11:16 PM

Regarding the Israeli interest: It does not help Israel to make a hero of a compulsive liar and braggart, fond of cocaine, who violated his oaths, spied on his country, inflicted damage that took billions of dollars to repair, accepted payment for his spying, jeopardized Israel’s relationship with its closest ally, failed to show remorse at the time of his sentencing, made himself into Exhibit A of every anti-Semitic conspiracy nut, and then had the chutzpah to call himself a martyr to the Jewish people.

Akzed on December 23, 2013 at 11:17 PM

I support Israel’s right to protect herself from those who mean her harm. I do not support her right to attack non combatants in international waters. conservative tarheel on December 23, 2013 at 5:51 PM

Those darned American flags are so hard to see!

Akzed on December 23, 2013 at 11:19 PM

Those darned American flags are so hard to see!

Akzed on December 23, 2013 at 11:19 PM

Drooping under light winds and from a jet fighter cockpit at 300 knots… yes, they are.

Alberta_Patriot on December 24, 2013 at 1:10 AM

Interested in the evidence/facts of the incident, apart from conjecture?

Why don’t you take your time, and make a credible attempt to explain how the attack could have been “accidental,” with “no bad intent” behind it, considering that it was unprovoked, and lasted 2 hours…the Liberty was a very lightly armed ship, was located in international waters, had been surveilled by the Israelis at least 8 times over an 8-hour period, and had its lifeboats targeted as they tried to escape.

Do you dispute any of that? You aren’t going to say that all of the eyewitness testimony of the Liberty’s survivors was fairy-talish, created by anti-Semites, are you?

Anti-Control on December 23, 2013 at 2:30 PM

1. International waters just means more than 12 nautical miles off the coast. 99% of WW2 naval battles occurred in international waters. You seem to think that international waters are not war zones, or that no Egyptian vessel would ever dare be in international waters.

2. You seem to think that an attack lasting more than 2 hours is evidence that the attack was not accidental. Essentially, you are equating accidental to “misfire” as opposed to “misidentification”. The former could be an accident shot or shots taking seconds or minutes. A misidentified target could last hours, for example if the unit that made the misidentification is not communicating with other units that have not misidentified it. There is plenty of precedent for this, be it in naval warfare, or land warfare.

3. The life-boats were targeted… So again, what is the motive here? Eliminate all Americans? Was this a dastardly Pearl-Harbour style attack preceding a massive attack by Israel against the United States? Where did the Israelis land?

You can’t even come up with a reasonable motive. You just bring up that a naval battle occurred in INTERNATIONAL waters, like all naval battles, and that it occurred over a period of time that seems long to you, and therefore the US WAS TARGETED ON PURPOSE, which is a total non-sequitur. You can’t even tell what the purpose is but just know that it was on purpose, but I am the one speculating here.

And since you’re repeating it often without prompting, I see that you’re very annoyed about being called an anti-semite.

Here is a list of US attacks on UK forces since 1945: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._friendly-fire_incidents_since_1945_with_British_victims

Or let’s go with a more general list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_friendly_fire_incidents

1690 – Two French regiments accidentally attacking each other during the Battle of Fleurus led to the practice of attaching a white scarf to the flags of the regiments.

OBVIOUSLY the two French regiments attacked each other on PURPOSE on INTRANATIONAL LAND.

2003 – In the Battle of Nasiriyah, an American force of Amphibious Assault Vehicles (AAVs) and infantry under intense enemy fire were misidentified as an Iraqi armored column by two U.S. Air Force A-10s who carried out bombing and strafing runs on them. One U.S. Marine was killed and 17 were wounded as a result.

OBVIOUSLY the Air Force WANTED to attack the Marines due to INTER-BRANCH COMPETITION.

You know why you get called an anti-semite?

Because friendly fire is a common occurrence in warfare. It happens OFTEN. It is not SPECIAL.

But you don’t go railing on about friendly fire in general do you? No no no, the USS LIBERTY ATTACK is the WORST IN HISTORY and must be brought up EARLY and OFTEN, least the JEWS GET AWAY WITH IT, right?

ebrawer on December 24, 2013 at 7:41 PM

The life-boats were targeted… So again, what is the motive here? Eliminate all Americans?

If the shoe fits…

You can’t even come up with a reasonable motive.

You suffer from the stupid conceit that the onus is upon me to produce a “reasonable motive” to explain Israel’s behavior.

Our men testified that the lifeboats were targeted – was that an anti-Semitic lie?

ROFL@you!

You know why you get called an anti-semite?

ebrawer on December 24, 2013 at 7:41 PM

Yes, I do – for the same reason unimaginative leftist idiots portray all criticism of Choomie as racially based. You’re a tribalist moron, no different than an abusive, factually-challenged leftard, who acts like Israelis are incapable of deceit and treachery (despite their provable lies about the Lavon Affair & Jonathan Pollard!) and you ignore the eyewitness testimony of our men on the Liberty which doesn’t fit into your predetermined narrative of “The Israelis could never act so horribly – to suggest otherwise is a sign of Jew hatred!” You’re a partisan joke, like Al Sharpton…

Anti-Control on December 24, 2013 at 8:15 PM

The facts are the facts – Israel targeted a US vessel in a warzone (FYI international waters can be part of warzones, e.g. the Battle of the Atlantic in WW2).

Now you are not claiming more than the facts. You are claiming an intent. Specifically, that the Israeli military unit in question knew it was targeting Americans and that it did so on purpose.

When you claim such an intent, it’s up to you to prove it. Yes, the onus is on you to prove there was more than a blue-on-white going on. A prosecutor has to prove means, motive, and opportunity to get a conviction. You are not a prosecutor, but the same logic applies. Means and opportunity are evident by the facts. Yet you are claiming deceit and treachery – if you can’t even give a motive, you can’t even begin to back up your claim.

I’ll point out that the following are your only offered “evidence”:

1. It happened in international waters.
2. The attack lasted 2 hours.
3. The lifeboats were attacked.

The first point proves you know nothing of warfare or the history thereof. The second reinforces that. The third is uninteresting and not unusual for a force that thinks it is attacking an enemy force. In other words, it proves nothing.

When pointing out the third point, you further sarcastically ask whether it is an anti-semitic lie. And yet, nobody has accused you of anti-semitism for pointing out that fact – rather it is for being obsessed with this incident in particular, where as examples of blue-on-blue or blue-on-white both by and against US forces are numerous throughout history. If you were a family member or a victim, it would be understandable. But you’re not, are you? You just have a special concern for the Jews.

Furthermore, your fundamental point against the anti-semitism charge you seem to be attracting is, whether you understand it or not, that the charge is a non-sequitur, or specifically, an ad-hominem. Very well. Yet you have against me of being [stupidly conceited], a tribalist moron, a partisan joke, and Al Sharpton (ouch). Now while I have not called you an anti-semite, but merely explained why people might do so, you have definitely gone full-board on the name-calling.

Worse still, from your “tribalist moron” epithet, I can only assume that this is an inference that I am a Jew (or, member of “the tribe”, as is commonly said). If I am wrong please correct me, but otherwise I am not sure that calling me a “tribalist moron” (code for Jew in this case) is helpful to refute your reputation for anti-semitism. Maybe I misinterpreted this, just can’t be sure since you are so un-hinged.

Finally, here is a clip for you to watch since you are very concerned by friendly fire in general: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6d/Friendly_Fire_Iraq.ogg

ebrawer on December 25, 2013 at 12:53 AM

Worse still, from your “tribalist moron” epithet, I can only assume that this is an inference that I am a Jew (or, member of “the tribe”, as is commonly said). If I am wrong please correct me, but otherwise I am not sure that calling me a “tribalist moron” (code for Jew in this case) is helpful to refute your reputation for anti-semitism. Maybe I misinterpreted this, just can’t be sure since you are so un-hinged.

ebrawer on December 25, 2013 at 12:53 AM

Like every leftard who’s stuck on race when it comes to defending Choomie, whatever race those individual defenders may be, you are a tribalist i.e. partisan moron, who’s too stupid to realize that you are talking to your own reflection in the mirror here i.e. you are a projecting, abusive fool.

I can see you that you are a poor debater, stuck in your own echo chamber, and that you aren’t capable of conversing with me…I could you give links to eyewitness (and physical) evidence which counters every false/bad argument you’ve made, but considering that your mind’s already made up, what would be the point of me going out of my way for a closeminded jerk like you? Have fun playing with yourself!

PS do you believe intentionally targeting lifeboats as the Israelis did to the Liberty is ever morally justifiable?

PPS I suggest you read up on the Lavon Affair if you want to expand your mind about what the Israelis are capable of in “defense” of their country…”Remember the Maine!” :)

Anti-Control on December 25, 2013 at 4:09 AM