Manchin on more gun control: This could be “difficult”

posted at 6:31 pm on December 22, 2013 by Jazz Shaw

On CNN’s morning chat festival with host (and 2012 debate moderator nightmare) Candy Crowley, West Virginia Democrat – and Renowned Moderate – Joe Manchin was trotted out for the usual end of the year opinion roundup. As usual, Crowley got Manchin to opine on the possibilities of a new gun control bill making it through the Senate in 2014. Displaying a sudden grasp of the realities of the situation, Manchin admitted that things might not be looking exactly rosy on that front.

Sen. Joe Manchin says rounding up the votes to pass a bill creating background checks for gun purchases next year is going to be “difficult.”

While saying he’s “hopeful” that some would change their minds, the West Virginia Democrat acknowledged there are Democrats who opposed the bill creating background checks for gun purchases.

“Hopefully, they would maybe reconsider,” Manchin said in an interview aired Sunday on CNN’s “State of the Union.” “It’s going to be difficult to get the extra votes that we need. I’m going to be honest with you.”

For those who may have somehow forgotten, Joe Manchin was the Democrats’ go to guy in the gun control debate. Coming from a red state, and having a very solid NRA rating, he was considered to be on the other side of the aisle from the rest of the Democrats on Second Amendment rights. But when the Big Opportunity presented itself this past year, Manchin lined up to cut a deal on everything from expanded background checks (or national gun registry lists, if you prefer) to magazine capacity limits and more. Joe isn’t up for election again until 2018 so he’s still widely viewed as a reliable voice in that regard, not needing to worry about defending his seat in the mid-terms or the next presidential cycle. The last effort failed, of course, and now it seems like the Senator feels the need to take a more realistic look at the playing field.

The interesting part here is that he’s publicly admitting what a lot of us already knew.

Manchin said gun owners didn’t oppose background checks in theory but were concerned that government wouldn’t stop with checks.

“What we found out is that people couldn’t trust government that they would stop there,” he said.

That’s exactly right, Senator. And the people who sent you to Washington feel the same way in large numbers. That might be something you’ll want to keep in mind next year before you try to crank up this particular machine again. You’ve still got several years before you need to run another campaign, but the voters in West Virginia probably have a pretty keen memory for this sort of thing.


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Bishopalooza!

Marcola on December 22, 2013 at 6:35 PM

Manchin’s not supposed to say it would be difficult; he’s supposed to say he would not get behind such anti-constitutional legislation. What is it about DC that makes these a$$holz feel that they NEED to control our lives?

john1schn on December 22, 2013 at 6:40 PM

Manchin said gun owners didn’t oppose background checks in theory but were concerned that government wouldn’t stop with checks. “What we found out is that people couldn’t trust government that they would stop there,” he said.

The “camel nose under the tent flap” argument against big gubmint is probably the best one to sway a lot of independents and quite a few libs.

Marcola on December 22, 2013 at 6:42 PM

The Dems are getting smart on not pushing for gun control up front. That’s not good for the constitution in the long run.

Johnnyreb on December 22, 2013 at 6:42 PM

Manchin said gun owners didn’t oppose background checks in theory but were concerned that government wouldn’t stop with checks.

“What we found out is that people couldn’t trust government that they would stop there,” he said.

Now what in the world would have people think that?

Seriously, is it a requirement to being a democrat/liberal that one be repeatedly dropped on one’s head as an infant??

kim roy on December 22, 2013 at 6:43 PM

The reason that our esteemed representatives are getting nervous about the issue of the Second Amendment is that they correctly observe that the First Amendment is becoming severely tattered.

The Second Amendment exists specifically to protect the citizen (that’s you and me) from the government; note well that “shall not be infringed” is not a limitation upon the citizen, but rather the government.

It is looking more and more likely by the day that we will witness the Second Amendment in action during our lifetime, and to borrow from someone who lived through the last occurrence:

I prefer peace. But if trouble must come, let it come in my time, so that my children can live in peace.

turfmann on December 22, 2013 at 6:47 PM

“What we found out is that people couldn’t trust government that they would stop there,

That’s all you need to know, especially with Emperor Hussein I running around changing laws at will.

Kafir on December 22, 2013 at 6:56 PM

possibilities of a new gun control bill making it through the Senate in 2014. Displaying a sudden grasp of the realities of the situation
=====================================================================

Gawd help the US if the Liberals get the majority in the Senate,
in 2014!!

canopfor on December 22, 2013 at 6:58 PM

SHALL

NOT

BE

INFRINGED

( ASS$@HOLE )

TX-96 on December 22, 2013 at 7:03 PM

Slimy chameleon Joe Manchin now positioning himself as the champion for smaller government (snort). This guy is such a weasel.

Philly on December 22, 2013 at 7:04 PM

Slimy chameleon Joe Manchin now positioning himself as the champion for smaller government (snort). This guy is such a weasel.

Philly on December 22, 2013 at 7:04 PM

…=D Him holding that stupid deer gun should have been a clue to the voters who put his dumb-A$$ in office.

Only a P.C. milk toast candidate poses with a scoped rifle like that. Who, shouldn’t have been trusted.

TX-96 on December 22, 2013 at 7:09 PM

(…dangit I hit enter too fast!___)

…ITS NOT ABOUT HUNTING!

TX-96 on December 22, 2013 at 7:10 PM

…he’s getting as bad as Joe Biteme!

KOOLAID2 on December 22, 2013 at 7:10 PM

Manchin and Bloomberg sitting in a tree
Grabbing guns from you and me
Mouthing promises insincere
Manchin ain’t no Mountaineer

DaMav on December 22, 2013 at 7:10 PM

Manchin and Bloomberg sitting in a tree
Grabbing guns from you and me
Mouthing promises insincere
Manchin ain’t no Mountaineer

DaMav on December 22, 2013 at 7:10 PM

Bwaaaaaaahahaha ! ! !

TX-96 on December 22, 2013 at 7:11 PM

Yawn, Joe Manchin sounds all moderate and reasonable on any morning show where he is asked to do so… right up until Dingy tells him he’s absolutely necessary to be #60 or #51, at which point he cowers and votes right in lockstep.

When I see Manchin filibuster alongside Paul or Cruz, talking for hours in a valiant effort to end Obamacare or some spending boondoggle, then I’ll give him credit. Until then bullcrap comes cheap.

Gingotts on December 22, 2013 at 7:13 PM

If someone put a few drops of truth serum in Manchin’s coffee:

“Candy, we have to pass Toomey-Manchin to see what parts of the law, the Obama Administration is willing to follow & enforce.”

DaMav on December 22, 2013 at 7:21 PM

New York is already using the list to criminalize owners of tube loaders. I expect Hawaii to be next as the police have begun confiscating legal weapons in some Counties.

pat on December 22, 2013 at 7:29 PM

“What we found out is that people couldn’t trust government that they would stop there,” he said.

Joe Manchin, call your office in the Weimar Republic.

Stupid West Virginians. They played that Raese card and you fell for it.

Lanceman on December 22, 2013 at 7:31 PM

If someone put a few drops of truth serum in Manchin’s coffee:

“Candy, we have to pass Toomey-Manchin to see what parts of the law, the Obama Administration is willing to follow & enforce.”

DaMav on December 22, 2013 at 7:21 PM

‘Candy we have to pass the law so Obama has a free reign to criminalize all gun owning Americans and commence home searches. We also expect to find that conservatives make up a large portion of these social deviants so we will review their financial, political and computer activities.’

pat on December 22, 2013 at 7:33 PM

John Kerry…can I get me a huntin license here. Sorry but it doesn’t work

jaywemm on December 22, 2013 at 7:44 PM

Conservative Libertarians are totally going to kick D and R azzes.

Your time is up, Politicians. We’ll impeach Obama and primary all of you azz*oles.

CL party 2014

/Let Sarah Palin vet them.

Key West Reader on December 22, 2013 at 7:48 PM

WE ALREADY HAVE BACKGROUND CHECKS!

Now that I’ve gotten that out of my system, let me expand:
All firearms sold through Federal Firearms Licensees (FFL’s) must have a background check conducted on the purchaser.
What the gun-grabbers want is that when you buy that over-under from your hunting/skeet buddy, you have to undergo a background check, which will have to be conducted (entered into the system) by an FFL, who is not going to do it for free (as an example: Here in CA, ALL firearms transactions, including private-party to private-party sales, must be conducted through an FFL, and the State charges that FFL $20 for the privilege, and he’s going to charge the buyer with a mark-up to pay for the record-keeping and computer time).
This is the so-called “gun show loophole” that Schumer keeps harping about: a sale by one private citizen to another private citizen, since all sales by FFL’s no matter where they are conducted, must have a background check noted on the Form-4473.
Any politician who in a media interview doesn’t explain what is involved when asked about background checks should not be trusted by the gun-owning community – and I include Joe Manchin in that list, no matter how many Senate Bills he nails with that “deer rifle”.

Another Drew on December 22, 2013 at 8:05 PM

West Virginia Democrat – and Renowned Moderate – Joe Manchin

Hmmm.

But when the Big Opportunity presented itself this past year, Manchin lined up to cut a deal on everything from expanded background checks (or national gun registry lists, if you prefer) to magazine capacity limits and more.

Moderate indeed, lol.

xblade on December 22, 2013 at 8:30 PM

Seriously, is it a requirement to being a democrat/liberal that one be repeatedly dropped on one’s head as an infant??

kim roy on December 22, 2013 at 6:43 PM

Not necessarily. With enough force and velocity it can happen with just one bounce.

Renee on December 22, 2013 at 10:00 PM

Heck,
Just open up the ranges at the closed bases around the country. Charge a modest fee. Have instructors on hand that charge a modest fee.

People get some time to practice using their firearm.

Result: Better gun control as people have more experience with their firearms.

THAT’s the kind of gun control we need. The “Four Rules” kind.

ProfShadow on December 22, 2013 at 10:15 PM

If I ever saw
Background Checks with protections,
I would still say No.

Every Universal Background Check ever proposed includes back-door Registration. The registry is what they really want. Nobody gives a damn about background checks, as evidenced by the fact that they do not bother to prosecute those who violate the current background checks law.

But even if there is an ironclad guarantee that universal background checks cannot possibly lead to registration, they still establish the fact that you need the Government’s permission to buy a gun. If you need to get permission, it is not much of a right.

Haiku Guy on December 22, 2013 at 10:26 PM

Gee Joe, your difficult is my UnConstitutional…. Eff Off!

rgranger on December 22, 2013 at 10:40 PM

No they don’t. But we’ll keep reminding them!

WryTrvllr on December 23, 2013 at 12:19 AM

Renee on December 22, 2013 at 10:00 PM

Any age, so long as no hospital is within 45 minutes.

WryTrvllr on December 23, 2013 at 12:20 AM

The Dems are getting smart on not pushing for gun control up front. That’s not good for the constitution in the long run.

Johnnyreb on December 22, 2013 at 6:42 PM

The dems (and actually most of the repubs) don’t give a rats @ss about the constitution. As far as registration, what difference with drones that can record your every target session from 10,000 feet, or the real tiny ones to collect some dna or conversation without your knowing.

Snowden’s a traitor!

WryTrvllr on December 23, 2013 at 12:24 AM

Uhm, West Virginia isn’t a red state. They have voted for Republican Presidential candidates but their state government is blue (Democrats control both houses of legislature and the governor) and their Congressional delegation is purple, both Senators are Democrats as is one of the three Representatives. WV is a purple state.

Don’t go thinking of WV as a red state, it isn’t.

crosspatch on December 23, 2013 at 1:22 AM

I don’t suppose WV has a mechanism to recall senators. If not, maybe they’ll get ‘er done now.

apostic on December 23, 2013 at 2:51 AM

Joe Manchin is on every side of every issue. His talking points are sprinkled with “working across the aisle”, bipartisan, and the similar blather that the media’s “general consensus” purports that everyone wants to hear… Keep an eye on Joe, he badly wants that top job. However, besides not being ready for prime time, I’m not really sure his schtick could endure a high pressure scrutiny.

bill glass on December 23, 2013 at 3:18 AM

To Jazz,

What “nightmare”, she won didn’t she?

R.

rcl on December 23, 2013 at 3:29 AM

“What we found out is that people couldn’t trust government that they would stop there,” he said.

Why would people mistrust governement? I mean the IRS used their power as a poltical cudgel against dissenters ahead of the 2012 elections (just like Nazi Germany). The NSA spies on Americans, is unrepentant about doing so, and admits they’re breaking the law but don’t intend to stop. Department of Justice ran a gun-running program that has killed thousands. And, of course, you’ve got the President running around in fairy wings waving a magic wand that selectively changes the laws or deciding whether to enforce them or ignore them.

So….. a massive database where government knows where to grab the guns? What could possibly go wrong?

Happy Nomad on December 23, 2013 at 7:00 AM

The companies that do the background checks are located in WV. Who benefits if NICS needs expanded? Why that would be WV.

Manchin doesn’t care if expanded checks equal more sfaety or not, he just wants the jobs for his state.

Hey, which is fine, but at least be honest about it.

cadams on December 23, 2013 at 8:06 AM

SO,

The ONLY Amendment that contains the phrase “Shall Not Be Infringed” is the one that applies to bearing arms.

Not even the First has that phrase.

And, until the 1930s that pretty much was the case. You could order, as a 12 yr old, a rifle and it would be delivered by the U.S. Mail.

After that, it was downhill.

Time to repeal ALL those laws.

Period.

ProfShadow on December 23, 2013 at 8:28 AM

Why would people mistrust government? I mean the IRS used their power as a political cudgel against dissenters ahead of the 2012 elections (just like Nazi Germany). The NSA spies on Americans, is unrepentant about doing so, and admits they’re breaking the law but don’t intend to stop. Department of Justice ran a gun-running program that has killed thousands. And, of course, you’ve got the President running around in fairy wings waving a magic wand that selectively changes the laws or deciding whether to enforce them or ignore them.

So….. a massive database where government knows where to grab the guns? What could possibly go wrong?

Happy Nomad on December 23, 2013 at 7:00 AM

Add to that Benghazi, Obamacare, and a few other items. Then add on to that every President in recent years (at least in the last 50 years.) But let’s be honest, the powers that be are always going to lie, and say it was in our collective “best” interest to do so. The journalists in this country used to care, but now the loudest voices are in bed with government. No party has a 100% hold on the truth.

Keith_Indy on December 23, 2013 at 8:37 AM

SO,

The ONLY Amendment that contains the phrase “Shall Not Be Infringed” is the one that applies to bearing arms.

Not even the First has that phrase.

And, until the 1930s that pretty much was the case. You could order, as a 12 yr old, a rifle and it would be delivered by the U.S. Mail.

After that, it was downhill.

Time to repeal ALL those laws.

Period.

ProfShadow on December 23, 2013 at 8:28 AM

Wouldn’t a good operating theory be that when our government tries to Federalize a problem, they have only made things worse. And not even just problems, just about every issue.

Keith_Indy on December 23, 2013 at 8:39 AM

It is looking more and more likely by the day that we will witness the Second Amendment in action during our lifetime, and to borrow from someone who lived through the last occurrence:

I prefer peace. But if trouble must come, let it come in my time, so that my children can live in peace.

turfmann on December 22, 2013 at 6:47 PM

New York is already using the list to criminalize owners of tube loaders. I expect Hawaii to be next as the police have begun confiscating legal weapons in some Counties.

pat on December 22, 2013 at 7:29 PM

This is why I think there isn’t going to be some great rebellion. I keep hearing that if “the liberals come for the guns” there will be a great conservative uprising, but they ARE coming in Hawaii and NY and people are just meekly turning them over with no fuss. If there is a general confiscation of all guns, nothing is going to happen.

Doomberg on December 23, 2013 at 8:42 AM

Look at Manchin’s voting record. Remember how he almost sold out his constituents on the Second Amendment.

I would surmise, Manchin has wholeheartedly supported the Obama agenda and voted with the Senatorial Dictator Harry Reid, more than the people of West Virgina. He has marched lockstep to help produce the destructive economic, health care and employment disasters.

The rhetoric simply does not match the record.

Manchin is simply in search of the “big sellout”. He wants to be certain whatever destruction he passes next passes and provide him cover from the voters.

Marcus Traianus on December 23, 2013 at 9:00 AM

Sounds like Manchin is trying to make a bigger name for himself. We already have background checks. What more do they want? The latest CO shooter went through a BG check to legally purchase a shotgun. He also had some Molotov cocktails strapped to his body that he used. Evil exists and sometimes bad things happen. No govt can legislate that away. Manchin is not the sharpest tool in the dem box. He didn’t get the poke from Krauthammer last week that he should cross over and become a republican since he was sounding more like an R than a D.

Kissmygrits on December 23, 2013 at 9:08 AM

Uhm, West Virginia isn’t a red state. They have voted for Republican Presidential candidates but their state government is blue (Democrats control both houses of legislature and the governor) and their Congressional delegation is purple, both Senators are Democrats as is one of the three Representatives. WV is a purple state.

Don’t go thinking of WV as a red state, it isn’t.

crosspatch on December 23, 2013 at 1:22 AM

It’s in transition. There is always a delay between the general ideological shift that has a populace support one party at the national level, and building the grassroots bench that has the state party able to field decent candidates at the local level. Presidential races always come first, then statewide races, then state government itself is the last to fall.

Compare with Arkansas, in the late stages of a fairly quick transition. Gov’s race has been swingy and likely to go back to R next year. They have 1 R Senator and a rising conservative star for their 2nd next year. State legislature had GOP making huge gains in 2010, expanding to majorities last year, and will likely solidify those majorities next year.

Kentucky is a bit further back. They’re solid for GOP at the Presidential level, have GOP Senators 1 of which is a conservative star, but their Gov. is a Dem. Fortunately their Dem. field, while bottlenecked doesn’t have a lot of great talent, and the state gov’t down the line is in good shape for the GOP.

WV is indeed far earlier in the transition. It was only Rove of all people that spotted it as fertile ground at the Presidential level for 2000. Next year they’ll get an R Senator. Still some more work to do, and Manchin could hold on there with a death grip for another decade or so. Yet there are signs that the GOP is growing talent and the Dems running out.

Gingotts on December 23, 2013 at 10:12 AM

Speaking of gun control Lt Col Bateman is back this time trying to say the NRA is asking it’s members to rape and murder his family.

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/responses-to-post-on-guns-bateman-122013?src=soc_fcbks#comments

When asked to prove these statements welll

Robert Bateman · Top Commenter · NATO Defense College

Mike, the only evidence that I have is that a lot of people said words to the effect of, “I just read your essay in my NRA alert.” Seems pretty straightforward, particularly since most of those who responded to me admitted that the NRA was their sole source of info. Or are you claiming that the NRA page is a fake? I do not understand.

Reply · Like

· 6 hours ago
.

Mike Brewster · Contractor Supply House/ Warehouse Manager at Trane

Mr. Bateman,You made this claim above in your article: “the NRA, which incites their members to threaten rape and murder and the abduction of babies.” That comment is so outrageous that it can’t qualify as hyperbole, it is clearly a lie. The article you linked to contained no hint of such an incitement.

It is unconscionable that someone would threaten you over your words. It is however no less unconscionable to malign an organization as you have with your unfounded assertions. The NRA has neither threatened you nor incited threats against you. If they have prove it.

warren on December 23, 2013 at 10:49 AM

Then he had to dig his hole a little deeper by attacking Tom Kratman

And Tom, I get it. You were raised as an urban elite in Boston. Heck, you even went to Boston Latin and then Boston College. A far greater petigree than my own rural background. But one might think twice before looking down you nose at us hicks from the sticks. Just because you are an East Coast city guy with an undergraduate degree in Philosophy, does not mean that you understand the military which you decided to avoid your whole life, even when you were needed.

Now what’s funny about this is he looked up where Tom went to collage but somehow missed his entire military life.

Tom Kratman · Top Commenter · Washington and Lee University

Robert Bateman: avoid my whole life? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Man you ARE stupid. Enlisted, 1974. Infantry OSUT and Drill Corporal, Ft Polk, LA. 2 years, 2/502d infantry, 1.5 years 4/10 infantry, Panama. Army ROTC Scholarship. Commissioned 1980. Platoon Leader and Rifle Company XO, 3/5 Infantry, Panama. Commander D-2/21 Infantry, Ft Stewart. HHC-2/7 Infantry. Fort Stewart. Commander, Gary Indiana Recruiting Company. Team Leader (attached 5th SFGA for the ground campaign, 1991) and Adj, 96th CA. Ranger. IG. CIB. Idiot.

If that doesn’t say alot about his leadership ablities nothing does.

warren on December 23, 2013 at 10:58 AM

Out of the furnace Appalachian boi.

pc on December 23, 2013 at 11:17 AM

Senator Manchin, love all the PR photos of you with hunting rifles. When are we going to see a photo of you with an AR15, ’cause the 2nd Amendment isn’t about hunting.

kjatexas on December 24, 2013 at 5:48 AM

Pass all the gun control laws you want but consider the criminals are going to ignore them as you disarm the good citizens of the USA.

mixplix on December 24, 2013 at 2:03 PM