Open thread: Man to survey smoking ruins of his credibility in year-end press conference

posted at 1:51 pm on December 20, 2013 by Allahpundit

You know how this goes. The White House says the presser is scheduled for 2 p.m., so figure on 2:40 at the earliest. I’m not sure if there’s any official business or if he’s there simply to field the inevitable “Duck Dynasty” question from the White House press corps. He’ll probably formally announce Max Baucus’s nomination as ambassador to China. He might also announce which recommendations he’ll be adopting from the report issued by the White House’s panel on NSA surveillance. Read this for background if you missed it the other day. It looks like he’s ready to make a few semi-significant changes, if only to end the relentless beating he’s been taking on this issue. Case in point:

A member of the White House review panel on NSA surveillance said he was “absolutely” surprised when he discovered the agency’s lack of evidence that the bulk collection of telephone call records had thwarted any terrorist attacks.

“It was, ‘Huh, hello? What are we doing here?’” said Geoffrey Stone, a University of Chicago law professor, in an interview with NBC News. “The results were very thin.”

While Stone said the mass collection of telephone call records was a “logical program” from the NSA’s perspective, one question the White House panel was seeking to answer was whether it had actually stopped “any [terror attacks] that might have been really big.”

“We found none,” said Stone.

Zero evidence that the metadata program is disrupting attacks — which is exactly what Judge Leon found when he asked the DOJ to give him proof that all of this surveillance was accomplishing something. I think O’s actually in a similar position on the NSA right now as he was on ObamaCare a few years ago insofar as he’s prevented for political reasons from making the argument he really wants to make. The argument he wanted to make on O-Care was, “Yeah, people who can afford it will have to pay a little more for insurance. Covering the sick and the poor is expensive. The middle class will have to give a little to help those less fortunate.” In utopia, though, the state doesn’t force some to lose so that others might win; that’s how we ended up with the “if you like your plan” crapola. Under ObamaCare, everybody wins! On the NSA, I suspect he’d like to say, “Yes, it’s true that we don’t have any major counterterror victories from this process yet, but the technology’s getting better all the time. We will, sooner than you think, reach the point where AI can put pieces of collected data together instantaneously to sniff out terror plots in the making. NASA had to put some rinky dink satellites into orbit before it learned how to go to the moon, right?” He can’t argue that, though, because then everyone would freak out about the feds’ surveillance capabilities heading towards Total Information Awareness and “Minority Report.” So he’s got to stick to the “no, really, it’s working” talking point to defend the program until it finally does produce some concrete achievement to show its critics.

Speaking of which, here’s where we are on the Great Boondoggle as I write this:

I’m surprised HHS decided to roll a grenade into the insurance industry’s tent last night, before O’s presser, rather than wait until this evening after he’s already on his way to Waikiki. Maybe he decided that was a touch too weaselly even for him. Sure, he’ll dump a new load of chaotic “fixes” onto insurers right before Christmas to cover his ass politically and then jet off to Hawaii while they try to pick up the pieces. And yeah, he’ll kneecap his biggest liberal fans by putting a major crack in the individual mandate and setting insurers up for serious adverse selection problems next year now that millions of consumers can opt for cheap “catastrophic coverage” instead. But he won’t do it without giving the press a few minutes to make him squirm on TV. That’s how a responsible leader, who’s now making the law up as he goes along, handles adversity.

Here’s your thread to comment while you watch. Exit question via RB Pundit: If, per the Supreme Court, the mandate is a tax duly enacted by Congress, how can HHS decide unilaterally to suspend it for some consumers?


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The question with zero chance of being asked.

“Mr. President, name the sole surviving group of American’s that are not exempted or reimbursed for Obamacare?

dddave on December 20, 2013 at 2:21 PM

man he starts big with the lies doesn’t he?

DanMan on December 20, 2013 at 2:21 PM

He says he’s cut the deficit in half, his “all of the above” energy policy has increased oil production, and ObamaCare is helping small businesses thrive.

/I’m NOT making this up. This is what he said.

Paul-Cincy on December 20, 2013 at 2:21 PM

Prez: I’m changing my title to Lord Obama, Emperor of the Americans. Yes, I’ve been playing Civilization lately. Nothing else going on right now, right?

So Bow and worship –Oh, wait, Chrissy, you are supposed to do that behind the bedroom doors!

Vanceone on December 20, 2013 at 2:21 PM

What? No thread on the health of Harry Reid? I guess Allah decided not to thin the herd.

AllahsNippleHair on December 20, 2013 at 2:15 PM

I missed something; what’s the scoop?

Midas on December 20, 2013 at 2:21 PM

Bishop will never read this…

Seven Percent Solution on December 20, 2013 at 2:21 PM

Gonna drink every time he blames GOP.
Oh gross. A joke.
Oh crap 8 mill jobs. Liar in chief.

AllahsNippleHair on December 20, 2013 at 2:21 PM

How will you know when he’s lying?

There’s a period at the end of the sentence.

rw on December 20, 2013 at 2:21 PM

Everything he is saying is a lie…

Seven Percent Solution on December 20, 2013 at 2:22 PM

audio fail or just me?

winoceros on December 20, 2013 at 2:22 PM

Billions of Americans are working, making money, having babies, eating apple pie. Trillions of Americans are getting quality, affordable healthcare. Zillions of Americans love me despite what the polls say.

Punchenko on December 20, 2013 at 2:22 PM

Does this guy live on the same planet as us?

BobMbx on December 20, 2013 at 2:22 PM

20 minutes, still no SCOAMF.

You know, I get the impression he thinks he rules us rather than administrates on our behalf.

Jeff Weimer on December 20, 2013 at 2:22 PM

What? No thread on the health of Harry Reid? I guess Allah decided not to thin the herd.

AllahsNippleHair on December 20, 2013 at 2:15 PM

I missed something; what’s the scoop?

Midas on December 20, 2013 at 2:21 PM

Was feeling sick. Taken to hospital. He’s fine, ran tests.
Probably had an attack of conscience.

AllahsNippleHair on December 20, 2013 at 2:22 PM

Oh Jeezus. He is more than tone deaf. He is deaf. Still selling OC.

wyntre9 on December 20, 2013 at 2:22 PM

All problems solved!

kcewa on December 20, 2013 at 2:22 PM

Forget it is getting deep, I need my boots. Where are my chest waders?

birdwatcher on December 20, 2013 at 2:22 PM

“Everything’s Great! Th …. Th ….. Th ….. That’s all folks.”

-rimshot-

fogw on December 20, 2013 at 2:22 PM

If Americans’ paychecks are growing, why the clamor for a hike in the minimum wage?

Doughboy on December 20, 2013 at 2:22 PM

Questions you wish Press would ask Obama:

Where’d the enchantment go?

WisRich on December 20, 2013 at 2:22 PM

Selected, no paying dummy.

AllahsNippleHair on December 20, 2013 at 2:23 PM

A gatrillion of Americans think everything is good because that’s what Valerie tells me.

Punchenko on December 20, 2013 at 2:23 PM

DOES ANYONE KNOW IF THE INSURANCE COMPANIES CAN WITHDRAW FROM OBAMACARE OR IF ONCE IN ALLWAYS IN ?

Rook on December 20, 2013 at 2:23 PM

As I suspected, the LSM blows it again.

Turtle317 on December 20, 2013 at 2:23 PM

Probably had an attack of conscience.

AllahsNippleHair on December 20, 2013 at 2:22 PM

He eliminated that possibility decades ago….

Athos on December 20, 2013 at 2:24 PM

Kazillions of Americans are happy… despite what the polls say.

Punchenko on December 20, 2013 at 2:24 PM

Megazillions.

wyntre9 on December 20, 2013 at 2:24 PM

canopfor on December 20, 2013 at 2:08 PM

Not around too much these days, but Merry Christmas to you oh Canada-ian

mickytx on December 20, 2013 at 2:17 PM

mickytx:

And a Very Merry Christmas to you and to your Clan, as well!:0

canopfor on December 20, 2013 at 2:24 PM

Mr. President, Why are you taking another vacation when our country is in such trouble?

birdwatcher on December 20, 2013 at 2:24 PM

Why are times tough…?

Seven Percent Solution on December 20, 2013 at 2:24 PM

President Pajamaboy has no clue how bad it is.
Oh, please don’t say lazer like focus on economy.

AllahsNippleHair on December 20, 2013 at 2:24 PM

Barack Obama
35s
President Obama on the economy: ‘I believe 2014 will be a breakthrough year for America’ – live video
end of bulletin
================

unemployment
3m
President Obama: ‘In 2013, our businesses created another 2 million jobs’ – live video
end of bulletin

canopfor on December 20, 2013 at 2:25 PM

A bazillionkatrillion of Americans have good jobs and are all getting a PhD in the Jobs of Tomorrow.

Punchenko on December 20, 2013 at 2:25 PM

Times are great the economy is roaring. No times are tough we need to extend unemployment.

kcewa on December 20, 2013 at 2:25 PM

Did he just call unemployment checks a “source of income”?

Doughboy on December 20, 2013 at 2:25 PM

Reckless shutdown.
Uh, uh, to delay odumbocare. Yeah, you wanted to get credit.

AllahsNippleHair on December 20, 2013 at 2:25 PM

Same lame speech that we’ve heard a gazillion times.

Go to Hawaii and eat a spam lamb.

fogw on December 20, 2013 at 2:25 PM

Rook on December 20, 2013 at 2:23 PM

Theorhetically, they can, but if they do they risk being shut out of the federal exchange once it ever…*cough*… actually works… and then when the inevitable federal bail out comes around they wouldn’t be able to cash in along with the others, either.

thatsafactjack on December 20, 2013 at 2:25 PM

Yes, businesses saving money because they don’t have the employer contribution any more.

winoceros on December 20, 2013 at 2:25 PM

What? No thread on the health of Harry Reid? I guess Allah decided not to thin the herd.

AllahsNippleHair on December 20, 2013 at 2:15 PM

The hammer would break.

BoxHead1 on December 20, 2013 at 2:25 PM

More secure?????

canopfor on December 20, 2013 at 2:25 PM

Our broke immigration system? You mean because you do not enforce our laws?

birdwatcher on December 20, 2013 at 2:26 PM

Theorhetically…theoretically.. sorry.

thatsafactjack on December 20, 2013 at 2:26 PM

Wait? I thought it was coming up roses.
Part time because of odumbocare.

AllahsNippleHair on December 20, 2013 at 2:26 PM

unemployment
29s
President Obama urges Congress to extend unemployment benefits due to expire at the end of 2013 – live video

canopfor on December 20, 2013 at 2:26 PM

Stalling stalling stalling.

Keep those answers rolling.

Keep the questions at bay.

Let me repeat.

wyntre9 on December 20, 2013 at 2:26 PM

Ending a war is not the same as winning a war…

Seven Percent Solution on December 20, 2013 at 2:26 PM

Wow, he sure expresses a lot of believable emotion doesn’t he?

Not.

Friggin robot.

fogw on December 20, 2013 at 2:26 PM

What? No thread on the health of Harry Reid? I guess Allah decided not to thin the herd.

AllahsNippleHair on December 20, 2013 at 2:15 PM

The hammer would break.

BoxHead1 on December 20, 2013 at 2:25 PM

Heh.

AllahsNippleHair on December 20, 2013 at 2:26 PM

I can’t take it any more.

BobMbx on December 20, 2013 at 2:26 PM

How will you know when he’s lying?

Oh, c’mon-his lips are moving.

talkingpoints on December 20, 2013 at 2:27 PM

He sounds so bored reading this BS speech. What an A-hole!

birdwatcher on December 20, 2013 at 2:27 PM

bazillionkatrillionquadrillion.

:)

wyntre9 on December 20, 2013 at 2:27 PM

We created 999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999 new jobs and stuff.

Punchenko on December 20, 2013 at 2:27 PM

30 million parasites is going to help the middle class?
Middle East is burning.
Is he phucking serious?

AllahsNippleHair on December 20, 2013 at 2:27 PM

Obama health care law
1m
President Obama says more than 1 million have selected coverage through Healthcare.gov, state sites – @AP

canopfor on December 20, 2013 at 2:27 PM

We??? The press is part of his admin?

kcewa on December 20, 2013 at 2:28 PM

Yes this is the worst year of his Presidency, Julie Pace, but that’s a wasted question.

Doughboy on December 20, 2013 at 2:28 PM

aaaaaannnndddd

DanMan on December 20, 2013 at 2:28 PM

Jake has compiled naughty and nice list of reporters.

Pace pulls through.

Is this the worst year of your presidency?

More coal for you.m

wyntre9 on December 20, 2013 at 2:28 PM

What a loser! This guy sucks!

birdwatcher on December 20, 2013 at 2:28 PM

The jokes make me sick.
Slurp slurp slurp slurp.

AllahsNippleHair on December 20, 2013 at 2:28 PM

Is somebody going to ask him if Santa is white?

Mark1971 on December 20, 2013 at 2:28 PM

Punchenko

Brilliant!

wyntre9 on December 20, 2013 at 2:28 PM

Terrific. Pace set him up to just ramble about how much he’s trying and how Congress is standing in the way.

Doughboy on December 20, 2013 at 2:29 PM

Mark1971 on December 20, 2013 at 2:28 PM

The looters and moochers would answer you “Of course not… he’s standing right in front of you addressing the nation.”

thatsafactjack on December 20, 2013 at 2:29 PM

what a crappy first question julie….

softball #1

cmsinaz on December 20, 2013 at 2:29 PM

I don’t think I’ve ever been so sickened by a man.

AllahsNippleHair on December 20, 2013 at 2:29 PM

Obama health care law
1m
President Obama says more than 1 million have selected coverage through Healthcare.gov, state sites – @AP

canopfor on December 20, 2013 at 2:27 PM

Still less than the facebook page supporting Phil Robertson.

gophergirl on December 20, 2013 at 2:29 PM

His meds wore off really quickly… Weird.

Fallon on December 20, 2013 at 2:29 PM

While Stone said the mass collection of telephone call records was a “logical program” from the NSA’s perspective, one question the White House panel was seeking to answer was whether it had actually stopped “any [terror attacks] that might have been really big.”

“We found none,” said Stone
.

We talking about the TSA here?

davidk on December 20, 2013 at 2:30 PM

its gop’s fault, natch for not extending bennies…

puhleeze

cmsinaz on December 20, 2013 at 2:30 PM

is it just me or does he sound more tired and sad than usual?

Sachiko on December 20, 2013 at 2:30 PM

Taking credit for results that are happening despite his policies….classy.

Athos on December 20, 2013 at 2:30 PM

Er . . . um. . . .even when congress doesn’t move . . . . duh . . . . Interconnect capacity in classrooms nationwide . . . Zzzzzz . . . innovation . . . job training . . . military overseas . . . . terrorism . . . . more oil . . . . natural gas . . .

That’s a Big F**ing Deal.

But I understand your point Julie. Our legislative priorities have not moved forward as fast as we like.

Like Immigration. It’s the R’s fault.

wyntre9 on December 20, 2013 at 2:30 PM

It’s congresses fault.
I can do it by executive fiat.
Constitutional prefesser, remember?

AllahsNippleHair on December 20, 2013 at 2:30 PM

is it just me or does he sound more tired and sad than usual?

Sachiko on December 20, 2013 at 2:30 PM

Not really. All of his press conferences are like this.

Doughboy on December 20, 2013 at 2:31 PM

Terrific. Pace set him up to just ramble about how much he’s trying and how Congress is standing in the way.

Doughboy on December 20, 2013 at 2:29 PM

exactamundo

cmsinaz on December 20, 2013 at 2:31 PM

MSM: Oh, oh — he smiles at us when he lies! I like that!

Punchenko on December 20, 2013 at 2:31 PM

Hang in there illegals…

… I’m your Preezy!

Seven Percent Solution on December 20, 2013 at 2:31 PM

Obreezy just wants to start his vakay…he really doesn’t want to be there answering questions asked by peons…

Athos on December 20, 2013 at 2:31 PM

We created 999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999 new jobs and stuff.

Punchenko on December 20, 2013 at 2:27 PM

I know you meant to be snarky and all, but that number is known as an Obillion.

BobMbx on December 20, 2013 at 2:31 PM

How come Julie gets to ask these questions and get away with it?

wyntre9 on December 20, 2013 at 2:31 PM

Media: “Isn’t this your worst year ever?”
Obama: “Ha ha ha. Now let me give you a rundown on how great it was.”

Denial baby, denial.

fogw on December 20, 2013 at 2:31 PM

He’s taking credit for oil and natural gas.
Oh, I’m gonna be sick.
Still blaming congress.

AllahsNippleHair on December 20, 2013 at 2:31 PM

*Having to cover ears to lower the slurping sound from the LSM*

Turtle317 on December 20, 2013 at 2:31 PM

Polling:

politics
1h
===
President Obama’s approval rating stands at 41% in a new *NN/ORC International survey – @PoliticalTicker
read more on blogs.*nn.com

canopfor on December 20, 2013 at 2:31 PM

Ooh… My poles have gone up and down a lot… Eeek. Reggie!

Fallon on December 20, 2013 at 2:32 PM

We created new jobs on Mars, Venus and Jupiter. That’s how many new jobs we created.

Punchenko on December 20, 2013 at 2:32 PM

I can’t watch anymore…

… have fun kids.

Seven Percent Solution on December 20, 2013 at 2:32 PM

Anyway, I have already adequately expressed my frustrations about the OC website at my last presser. Look it up.

wyntre9 on December 20, 2013 at 2:32 PM

Free sh!t for illegals!!! Come and get it!

AllahsNippleHair on December 20, 2013 at 2:32 PM

Press: How are you feeling? Are you OK?

kcewa on December 20, 2013 at 2:33 PM

Max Baucus’s nomination as ambassador to China

China’s probably looking pretty good to Baucus about now. Can’t get much further away from Obamacare than that.

talkingpoints on December 20, 2013 at 2:33 PM

Ooh… My poles have gone up and down a lot… Eeek. Reggie!

Fallon on December 20, 2013 at 2:32 PM

I think he meant “polls”, but I would question that one, too.

Turtle317 on December 20, 2013 at 2:33 PM

He’s filibustering the answers even more than usual….

Athos on December 20, 2013 at 2:33 PM

Julie says:

“You are awesome. What do you perceive as your greatest weaknesses? Please filibuster for several minutes.”

Valiant on December 20, 2013 at 2:33 PM

My goal every single day is to just get out of bed. Today was a good day.

Fallon on December 20, 2013 at 2:33 PM

“Drones? Oh… you mean my droning, sonorous voice… sorry… can’t dredge up any enthusiasm unless I think of all the ways I’m screwing over the nation. ” he said.

thatsafactjack on December 20, 2013 at 2:33 PM

everyone avoiding obamacare…

cmsinaz on December 20, 2013 at 2:33 PM

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