Open thread: Man to survey smoking ruins of his credibility in year-end press conference

posted at 1:51 pm on December 20, 2013 by Allahpundit

You know how this goes. The White House says the presser is scheduled for 2 p.m., so figure on 2:40 at the earliest. I’m not sure if there’s any official business or if he’s there simply to field the inevitable “Duck Dynasty” question from the White House press corps. He’ll probably formally announce Max Baucus’s nomination as ambassador to China. He might also announce which recommendations he’ll be adopting from the report issued by the White House’s panel on NSA surveillance. Read this for background if you missed it the other day. It looks like he’s ready to make a few semi-significant changes, if only to end the relentless beating he’s been taking on this issue. Case in point:

A member of the White House review panel on NSA surveillance said he was “absolutely” surprised when he discovered the agency’s lack of evidence that the bulk collection of telephone call records had thwarted any terrorist attacks.

“It was, ‘Huh, hello? What are we doing here?’” said Geoffrey Stone, a University of Chicago law professor, in an interview with NBC News. “The results were very thin.”

While Stone said the mass collection of telephone call records was a “logical program” from the NSA’s perspective, one question the White House panel was seeking to answer was whether it had actually stopped “any [terror attacks] that might have been really big.”

“We found none,” said Stone.

Zero evidence that the metadata program is disrupting attacks — which is exactly what Judge Leon found when he asked the DOJ to give him proof that all of this surveillance was accomplishing something. I think O’s actually in a similar position on the NSA right now as he was on ObamaCare a few years ago insofar as he’s prevented for political reasons from making the argument he really wants to make. The argument he wanted to make on O-Care was, “Yeah, people who can afford it will have to pay a little more for insurance. Covering the sick and the poor is expensive. The middle class will have to give a little to help those less fortunate.” In utopia, though, the state doesn’t force some to lose so that others might win; that’s how we ended up with the “if you like your plan” crapola. Under ObamaCare, everybody wins! On the NSA, I suspect he’d like to say, “Yes, it’s true that we don’t have any major counterterror victories from this process yet, but the technology’s getting better all the time. We will, sooner than you think, reach the point where AI can put pieces of collected data together instantaneously to sniff out terror plots in the making. NASA had to put some rinky dink satellites into orbit before it learned how to go to the moon, right?” He can’t argue that, though, because then everyone would freak out about the feds’ surveillance capabilities heading towards Total Information Awareness and “Minority Report.” So he’s got to stick to the “no, really, it’s working” talking point to defend the program until it finally does produce some concrete achievement to show its critics.

Speaking of which, here’s where we are on the Great Boondoggle as I write this:

I’m surprised HHS decided to roll a grenade into the insurance industry’s tent last night, before O’s presser, rather than wait until this evening after he’s already on his way to Waikiki. Maybe he decided that was a touch too weaselly even for him. Sure, he’ll dump a new load of chaotic “fixes” onto insurers right before Christmas to cover his ass politically and then jet off to Hawaii while they try to pick up the pieces. And yeah, he’ll kneecap his biggest liberal fans by putting a major crack in the individual mandate and setting insurers up for serious adverse selection problems next year now that millions of consumers can opt for cheap “catastrophic coverage” instead. But he won’t do it without giving the press a few minutes to make him squirm on TV. That’s how a responsible leader, who’s now making the law up as he goes along, handles adversity.

Here’s your thread to comment while you watch. Exit question via RB Pundit: If, per the Supreme Court, the mandate is a tax duly enacted by Congress, how can HHS decide unilaterally to suspend it for some consumers?


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Chuck Todd: I want to have your baby, Mr. President!

Punchenko on December 20, 2013 at 1:53 PM

love the title Allah

ted c on December 20, 2013 at 1:54 PM

My guess is he is close to “on Time”.

He does have a plane to catch to Hawaii.

neoavatara on December 20, 2013 at 1:54 PM

will he alight upon the obvious with a profound sense of discovery???

ted c on December 20, 2013 at 1:55 PM

GOP strawmen cometh

Blame blame blame

cmsinaz on December 20, 2013 at 1:55 PM

Outstanding headline, AP

John the Libertarian on December 20, 2013 at 1:55 PM

ObamaCare: Now the 8th Wonder of the World.

Punchenko on December 20, 2013 at 1:55 PM

He should want to talk about Squirel, er, Duck Dynasty instead of every other administrative WH disaster in recent memory.

apostic on December 20, 2013 at 1:55 PM

Softball questions

cmsinaz on December 20, 2013 at 1:56 PM

Oh JOY! mesiah is coming among us today!

BoxHead1 on December 20, 2013 at 1:56 PM

If, per the Supreme Court, the mandate is a tax duly enacted by Congress, how can HHS decide unilaterally to suspend it for some consumers?

Because racist!!

Kafir on December 20, 2013 at 1:56 PM

Yeah, people who can afford it will have to pay a little more for insurance. Covering the sick and the poor is expensive. The middle class will have to give a little to help those less fortunate.

This is not what is happening at all. Obamacare’s expansion of Medicaid is stealing poor peoples’ houses so that the government can subsidize middle class health insurance.

besser tot als rot on December 20, 2013 at 1:57 PM

Hopeys Gapeing Abyss, er,..HealthCare BlackHole!!

canopfor on December 20, 2013 at 1:57 PM

Perfect headline! I saw where this would be the 14th time he’s changed the health care law on his own. FOURTEENTH.

scalleywag on December 20, 2013 at 1:57 PM

Can we go back to talking about the gay stuff?

/liberal hotair trolls

gwelf on December 20, 2013 at 1:57 PM

Gullible leftards might have had their illusions shattered, but as an empirical matter Oblameeverybodyelse never had any credibility to burn.

M240H on December 20, 2013 at 1:57 PM

anybody know if Harry Reid is dead yet? we may need the senate in a few weeks for impeachment reasons and I bet there’s a few dems ready to get out of this mess

DanMan on December 20, 2013 at 1:57 PM

But you see, “Seperation of Powers” means nothing in a True Progressive Society! Only the Politburo Cabinet President can make law to have an efficient government!

Vanceone on December 20, 2013 at 1:58 PM

2014 the year of executive action
Chris cizilla

cmsinaz on December 20, 2013 at 1:58 PM

If, per the Supreme Court, the mandate is a tax duly enacted by Congress, how can HHS decide unilaterally to suspend it for some consumers?

Because King Barack the Magnificent is AWESOME!

GarandFan on December 20, 2013 at 1:58 PM

Exit question via RB Pundit: If, per the Supreme Court, the mandate is a tax duly enacted by Congress, how can HHS decide unilaterally to suspend it for some consumers?

How indeed. But then again I wasn’t a constitutional law Professor lecturer.

WisRich on December 20, 2013 at 1:58 PM

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canopfor on December 20, 2013 at 1:59 PM

Headline WOULD be great if referring to a man capable of realizing he’s squandered all credibility.

The POS is still convinced he has healed the planet and slowed the rise of the oceans.

Still, I give AP a solid A+.

wyntre9 on December 20, 2013 at 2:00 PM

ObamaCare: Now the 8th Wonder of the World.

yeah, we closed the Astrodome so something big needed that designation

DanMan on December 20, 2013 at 2:00 PM

neoavatara on December 20, 2013 at 1:54 PM

This.

There’s no way Barky will miss the chance to get out of town.

Mark Boabaca on December 20, 2013 at 2:00 PM

Exit question via RB Pundit: If, per the Supreme Court, the mandate is a tax duly enacted by Congress, how can HHS decide unilaterally to suspend it for some consumers?

Answer: They can’t. But who’s gonna stop them?

Doughboy on December 20, 2013 at 2:01 PM

And,..there is now sound!!

canopfor on December 20, 2013 at 2:01 PM

Shouldn’t be too long – the man’s got a plane to catch.

kim roy on December 20, 2013 at 2:01 PM

Next can we do a study on how many terrorist attacks have been thwarted by TSA and DPS as a result of their policies?

scalleywag on December 20, 2013 at 2:01 PM

I really don’t see how a head of state making up rules on a whim and forcing private enterprise to comply with those rules is not economic fascism.

besser tot als rot on December 20, 2013 at 2:01 PM

ObamaCare: It’s Dollar Menu quality, Detroit incompetence, and Mercedes-Benz pricing all at the tip of your fingers!

Punchenko on December 20, 2013 at 2:01 PM

There’s Air Force One, and another plane just to carry the president’s nose to Hawaii.

scalleywag on December 20, 2013 at 2:02 PM

Memo to AMERICA:

BARACK DID BUILD THAT.

ToddPA on December 20, 2013 at 2:02 PM

And yes, I’ll try to watch this travesty live and post comments about it in order to spare others the misery of listening to Obama filibuster for an hour.

Doughboy on December 20, 2013 at 2:02 PM

anybody know if Harry Reid is dead yet? we may need the senate in a few weeks for impeachment reasons and I bet there’s a few dems ready to get out of this mess

DanMan on December 20, 2013 at 1:57 PM

I’m thinking his conscience attacked him after he thought he’d killed it or sold it with his soul so many years ago.

ProfShadow on December 20, 2013 at 2:02 PM

Surprise! He’s late.

IrishEi on December 20, 2013 at 2:03 PM

I wonder which will burn faster… the few pages that are the United States Constitution, or the 20,000+ pages that are the ObamaCare law….

I know which one would make a bigger fire.

Turtle317 on December 20, 2013 at 2:03 PM

Why listen?

It’s all total bullshlt.

fogw on December 20, 2013 at 2:03 PM

It’s a Christmas Movie!

Blake on December 20, 2013 at 2:04 PM

Here’s the press corps chance to redeem themselves. Odds?

Walter L. Newton on December 20, 2013 at 2:05 PM

The argument he wanted to make on O-Care was, “Yeah, people who can afford it will have to pay a little more for insurance. Covering the sick and the poor is expensive. The middle class will have to give a little to help those less fortunate.”

Define “less fortunate”.

Is that the “less fortunate” that includes not having the latest iCrap stuff and doesn’t get paid six figures to paint solidified dog poop rainbow colors?

Or is it the less fortunate that one has had both arms cut off, cannot work and have four kids to feed?

kim roy on December 20, 2013 at 2:05 PM

He’ll probably formally announce Max Baucus’s nomination as ambassador to China.
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President Obama to nominate Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., as ambassador to China, White House says – via @NBCNews
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Max Baucus nominated as US Ambassador to China
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Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., on nomination of Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., to be US Ambassador to China; ‘I want to congratulate my friend and colleague Max Baucus on the next step in his career in public service’ – via @NBCNews
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http://www.breakingnews.com/

canopfor on December 20, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Here’s your thread to comment while you watch. Exit question via RB Pundit: If, per the Supreme Court, the mandate is a tax duly enacted by Congress, how can HHS decide unilaterally to suspend it for some consumers?

HHS first granted themselves and the entire administration “waivers” from the mandate that is the rule of law.

Gingotts on December 20, 2013 at 2:05 PM

ObamaCare: Come for the birth control, stay for the Third World cultural immersion.

Punchenko on December 20, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Even $$ response; “because it’s the right thing to do”

AKA; how do you know when a self professed constitutional scholar has sharted on the constitution

drivingtheview on December 20, 2013 at 2:06 PM

this just in:

President pardons a bunch of Crack heads.

ToddPA on December 20, 2013 at 2:06 PM

anybody know if Harry Reid is dead yet? we may need the senate in a few weeks for impeachment reasons and I bet there’s a few dems ready to get out of this messDanMan on December 20, 2013 at 1:57 PM

You know HotGas won’t touch this. If people could say how they really thot, we’d see mass bannings. Prolly won’t see Twitchy touch this since they’re under new management.

AH_C on December 20, 2013 at 2:06 PM

“It’s the law”. FU

Max ‘trainwreck’ must love himself some pot stickers.

Ill- egal the whole way down. It never was and I recall Christmas eve watching c-span.

mickytx on December 20, 2013 at 2:06 PM

If, per the Supreme Court, the mandate is a tax duly enacted by Congress, how can HHS decide unilaterally to suspend it for some consumers?

By deciding to suspend it unilaterally. :)

Rule of law did not survive Obama — it’s dead and gone.

Axe on December 20, 2013 at 2:06 PM

As we continue to wait for the president…

President Slacker Pajama Boy just can’t seem to get to a presser on time, can he? Love the coverage snark.

Fallon on December 20, 2013 at 2:07 PM

ObamaCare: Because we really, really, really hate you.

Punchenko on December 20, 2013 at 2:08 PM

Look, one question.

Forget Barry.

Do we have any method of removing SCOTUS Roberts?

He’s as responsible for this mess as Zero.

budfox on December 20, 2013 at 2:08 PM

Speaking of which, here’s where we are on the Great Boondoggle as I write this:

Healthcare.gov is down at the moment.

I swear that I didn’t bring it down, but schadenfreude, pure!

Schadenfreude on December 20, 2013 at 2:08 PM

Ahems, ………………

LE OOPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:

Massachusetts, US
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Massachusetts State troopers found 1,250 bags of heroin labeled with ‘Obamacare’ during a traffic stop in Hatfield, Mass. – @MassStatePolice
read more on facebook.com
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https://twitter.com/MassStatePolice

canopfor on December 20, 2013 at 12:19 PM

canopfor on December 20, 2013 at 2:08 PM

Tomasky and liblikeaslave must have fits.

Schadenfreude on December 20, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Hey @WhiteHouse – the http://Healthcare.gov website is currently down:

enrollments are up.

libfreeordie on December 20, 2013 at 9:56 AM

They’re not high, just up, from zero.

Obamacare posts are about whistling past the graveyard, by next Novemeber Democrats will be openly running on the ACA. Mark my words.

libfreeordie on December 20, 2013 at 10:14 AM

Slave of HA is always a chump.

Schadenfreude on December 20, 2013 at 2:11 PM

. . . I’m just hanging around to see what nonpartisan’s take will be. There’s no more objective assessment of Obama’s magnificence than nonpartisan’s critical, sometimes scathing adoration.

Axe on December 20, 2013 at 2:11 PM

F Chuck Todd has been mashing that phone since canopfor linked us 12 minutes ago

DanMan on December 20, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Hmmmmmmmm, …………………………

Tweets All / No replies

Patricia Zengerle ‏@ReutersZengerle 9m

Senatorial Friday news dump? Corker announces he won’t support Senate approval of U.N. Convention on rights of people with disabilities.

https://twitter.com/ReutersPolitics

canopfor on December 20, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Here’s your thread to comment while you watch. Exit question via RB Pundit: If, per the Supreme Court, the mandate is a tax duly enacted by Congress, how can HHS decide unilaterally to suspend it for some consumers?

obama is a fascist Adolf, a fascist socialist, not a communist.

Schadenfreude on December 20, 2013 at 2:12 PM

All I want for Christmas is to see Obama break down and sob like a baby while screaming, “Uncle!” as he runs from the conference room.

Is that too much to ask for?

Dusty on December 20, 2013 at 2:12 PM

I can’t listen to him, all he does is make me mad and almost everything he says turns out to be BS anyway.

scalleywag on December 20, 2013 at 2:12 PM

. . . I’m just hanging around to see what nonpartisan’s take will be. There’s no more objective assessment of Obama’s magnificence than nonpartisan’s critical, sometimes scathing adoration.

Axe on December 20, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Adolf has his cronies too.

Schadenfreude on December 20, 2013 at 2:13 PM

ObamaCare: Enroll today for your chance to win leeches and a free bloodletting as part of your new unaffordable policy!

Punchenko on December 20, 2013 at 2:13 PM

Holiday in Waikiki

Christien on December 20, 2013 at 2:13 PM

10 bucks he’s asked about Phil Robertson and pisses off the Christians even more.

gophergirl on December 20, 2013 at 2:13 PM

I can’t listen to him, all he does is make me mad and almost everything he says turns out to be BS anyway.

heck I thought stayed plugged in, what did I miss that was true?

DanMan on December 20, 2013 at 2:14 PM

As INC said, most all former presidents spent X-mas in the WH or at Camp David, so the security contingent c/b close to their families.

These goons have to go to HI, because Chicago now also hates them.

Schadenfreude on December 20, 2013 at 2:14 PM

10 bucks he’s asked about Phil Robertson and pisses off the Christians even more.

gophergirl on December 20, 2013 at 2:13 PM

Let’s play, guess the planted questions. :)

Axe on December 20, 2013 at 2:14 PM

Is this going to be a presser with hardball questioning? Or is this going to be LSM gives the POTUS fellatio part LXIX?

Turtle317 on December 20, 2013 at 2:15 PM

Massachusetts State troopers found 1,250 bags of heroin labeled with ‘Obamacare’ during a traffic stop in Hatfield, Mass. – @MassStatePolice
read more on facebook.com
=========================

https://twitter.com/MassStatePolice

This has nothing, nothing at all to do with Obama’s pardon of MA Gov Deval Patrick’s cousin’s life sentence for dealing crack. Nothing.

philw1776 on December 20, 2013 at 2:15 PM

What? No thread on the health of Harry Reid? I guess Allah decided not to thin the herd.

AllahsNippleHair on December 20, 2013 at 2:15 PM

The federal Obamacare exchange website went down again Friday, leaving consumers unable to sign up just days before the deadline to obtain coverage by Jan. 1.
Applicants to healthcare.gov were initially greeted with a message saying that the system is down for scheduled maintenance. Visitors were advised to try again later or enter their email address to receive notice when the site is working again.
The exchange’s tech team encountered an error during routine maintenance on Thursday night, said Joanne Peters, a spokeswoman for the Department of Health and Human Services.
Repairs began at 10 a.m. Friday and were estimated to take two to three hours. Around 1 p.m., the site’s enrollment function remained inaccessible and the message changed to “HealthCare.gov has a lot of visitors right now!” and asked people to wait.

kcewa on December 20, 2013 at 2:15 PM

Why listen?

It’s all total bullshlt.

fogw on December 20, 2013 at 2:03 PM

And such is the state of the Land of the Free and Home of the Brave…

Seven Percent Solution on December 20, 2013 at 2:15 PM

I’m not sure if there’s any official business or if he’s there simply to field the inevitable “Duck Dynasty” question from the White House press corps

“As I said so eloquently in my 2nd Inaugural address, which, I, I, I, uh, uh, uh … you must admit, speaking is my forte. I’m LeBron, baby! Give me the ball! I’ll make it happen! Uh ………………… there’s no room for hatred of gays and blacks and women and other minorities in this miserable excuse for a country, I mean, for America, you know, where the racist white crackers bought and sold slaves, and made them crap in each other’s mouths … uh … what was the question again? Rich, old, white men. I do not like them.”.

Paul-Cincy on December 20, 2013 at 2:15 PM

Holiday

Christien on December 20, 2013 at 2:16 PM

ObamaCare: Let them eat aspirin!

Punchenko on December 20, 2013 at 2:17 PM

They could at least play The Girl from Ipanema in the background while they’re waiting. Or, maybe Mele Kalikimaka…

Fallon on December 20, 2013 at 2:17 PM

canopfor on December 20, 2013 at 2:08 PM

Not around too much these days, but Merry Christmas to you oh Canada-ian

mickytx on December 20, 2013 at 2:17 PM

Let’s play, guess the planted questions. :)

Axe on December 20, 2013 at 2:14 PM

I guess any opportunity for a drinking game is a good one…

:)

Seven Percent Solution on December 20, 2013 at 2:17 PM

Barack Obama
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Live video: President Obama holds an end of the year news conference – @NBCNews
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http://www.nbcnews.com/video/nbcnews.com/53881184

canopfor on December 20, 2013 at 2:17 PM

Questions you wish Press would ask Obama:

From what newspaper did you learn that you were having a press conference today?

WisRich on December 20, 2013 at 2:18 PM

ObamaCare: Enroll today for your chance to win a vile of Magic Obama Healing Spittle.

Punchenko on December 20, 2013 at 2:18 PM

I’m not sure if there’s any official business or if he’s there simply to field the inevitable “Duck Dynasty” question from the White House press corps

There won’t be any questions about that. I can guarantee that. Now the weather in Hawaii? How the pooches are doing? Yeah, the press will be on top of those issues.

kcewa on December 20, 2013 at 2:18 PM

Is this going to be a presser with hardball questioning? Or is this going to be LSM gives the POTUS fellatio part LXIX?

Turtle317 on December 20, 2013 at 2:15 PM

For the most part, it’s going to be the latter.

Obama will focus on the 4.1% GDP growth number for the 3rd Qtr 2013, and completely ignore all of the warning signs and contradictory information that is contained within that number. The press will play along because it’s a great ‘look, squirrel’ moment.

If he does start to get a number of ACA questions, he’ll start to expand the filibuster answers, spin, obfuscate, and basically continue to lie as he tries to baffle us with bullsh!t.

Athos on December 20, 2013 at 2:18 PM

If, per the Supreme Court, the mandate is a tax duly enacted by Congress, how can HHS decide unilaterally to suspend it for some consumers?

Because Obama.

Gatsu on December 20, 2013 at 2:19 PM

Here’s the President!

Paul-Cincy on December 20, 2013 at 2:19 PM

WTF? Todd and Garrett answering questions on behalf of the POS and spouting his talking points in public?

wyntre9 on December 20, 2013 at 2:19 PM

“I know what I’ll do…. I’ll give a speech and disguise it as a presser…. These pissants are gonna KMA no mater what so ha-ha-ha- uhh uhhh uhhh uhhh uhhh uhhh … BYE!”

BHO

Key West Reader on December 20, 2013 at 2:19 PM

Guess what…?

… He’s lying.

Seven Percent Solution on December 20, 2013 at 2:20 PM

LOL! A JOKE! HE’S SO FUNNY! LOL!

Punchenko on December 20, 2013 at 2:20 PM

He looks CHOOMED UP, or,..We WEEDED UP!!

canopfor on December 20, 2013 at 2:20 PM

Will be rail-to-rail, too. “Do you condemn the remarks of Duck Dynasty’s Phil Roberson that blacks were happier as slaves, and that homosexuals are like people who have sex with horses?”

Axe on December 20, 2013 at 2:20 PM

The economy sucks, Barky.

Punchenko on December 20, 2013 at 2:20 PM

No. We’re not eager to skip town. We want to hear YOUR explanations for Obamascare.

wyntre9 on December 20, 2013 at 2:20 PM

Obama is going to tell us what a magnificent “Christmas treat” Obamacare is…because Michelle said so.

All hail Obama! The Imperial President, King of Denial, Lord of Dishonor, Prince of Poverty, Brother of the Jackal, Son of Deceit, Husband of Avarice. LO! His titles are many and his ego eclipses the sun!

thatsafactjack on December 20, 2013 at 2:20 PM

How will you know when he’s lying?

Fallon on December 20, 2013 at 2:21 PM

Guess what…?

… He’s lying.

Seven Percent Solution on December 20, 2013 at 2:20 PM

Seven Percent Solution:Yup,……..** Clinky **:0

canopfor on December 20, 2013 at 2:21 PM

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