Bloomberg’s ultimate victory: NYC bans e-cigarettes in indoor public places because they look too much like cigarettes or something

posted at 11:21 am on December 20, 2013 by Allahpundit

Are they banning them because e-cigs are dangerous? Nope, not really. No one’s reached any firm conclusion that they’re harmful and pretty much everyone agrees that they’re less harmful than real cigarettes. Which, by the way, are themselves not harmful to bystanders according to one new study.

No, the reason public “vaping” needed to be banned is that it simply looks too much like smoking. It’d inconvenience the cops to make them pause to determine whether you’re puffing a ciggy or an e-ciggy. And in any case, vaping … “re-normalizes” the practice of public smoking. If you let people do something that may be harmless or even good for them, insofar as e-cigarettes are steering smokers away from a carcinogenic alternative, then other people might be inspired to take up a more dangerous variation of the practice. By that logic, I guess, drinking water in public places should be banned too for fear that it might “re-normalize” public boozing. That’s what makes this Bloomy’s greatest triumph: He’s a master of precedent-setting baby-step nannyism, and this sets the precedent that behavior that merely resembles disfavored behavior can and should be aggressively regulated.

Enjoy your water pistols while you can, kids.

Under the bill, e-cigarettes would be prohibited in the same places as traditional cigarettes and other tobacco products throughout the city…

“Because many of the e-cigarettes are designed to look like cigarettes and be used just like them, they can lead to confusion or confrontation,” Quinn said.

The speaker added that the ban will end what she called the re-normalization of smoking in public places, 1010 WINS’ Al Jones reported.

“It’s not the norm anymore. Very few people feel uncomfortable now saying you can’t smoke in public. We don’t want to step backwards in that,” Quinn said.

Will it stand up in court? The soda-size ban was struck down by a state judge for being “arbitrary and capricious.” A ban on vaping without proof that it’s harmful seems ripe for the same result. But the health implications are beside the point. This is, I think, less about preventing people from endangering themselves by using e-cigs than urban progressives affirming their cultural disdain for smoking in all its forms. It’s a practice more common to people with lower incomes and less education; it’s retrograde in the truest sense, in that it’s far less common now than it was 40 years ago. Tolerating smoking/vaping just isn’t something that good liberal jurisdications do. Pro tip for the e-cig fans, then: If you want to turn this around, lobby Apple to start making its own model and to charge a crapload for it. I know you don’t want to pay more, but it’ll help establish vaping as something that smart, well heeled, gadget-minded professionals do. That ban will melt away in no time. Exit quotation:


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In a related move, empty 16 oz. cups were banned.

whatcat on December 20, 2013 at 11:23 AM

If you want to turn this around, lobby Apple to start making its own model and to charge a crapload for it. I know you don’t want to pay more, but it’ll help establish vaping as something that smart, well heeled, gadget-minded professionals do.

^ Think of beauty.

Axe on December 20, 2013 at 11:25 AM

So are asthma inhalers banned too? Cause they emit water vapor also. Water vapor is evil.

BeachBum on December 20, 2013 at 11:25 AM

It’s all about power.

We need to stop with the “nanny state” euphemism. That’s cute and sweet, and this is diametrically opposite. Can we please start using the real word and not the euphemism? This is slavery, pure and simple. You do what we tell you that you can do and only that. Nothing else. In reward, we’ll feed you, house you, clothe you, and get you healthcare. But only if you abide by our rules. All of them.

Chris of Rights on December 20, 2013 at 11:26 AM

At what point do public health crusades cease being about “public health” and are just obviously hate campaigns designed stamp out unpopular thoughts and actions?

Humanity has a long record to look back on and find out.

Mord on December 20, 2013 at 11:27 AM

“Because many of the e-cigarettes are designed to look like cigarettes and be used just like them, they can lead to confusion or confrontation,” Quinn said.

My emphasis.

I really, really hate the herd dynamic. The hive-parts never get beyond a High School emotional state. They still pressure, cajole, sneer — this is what we say, what we do, what we wear, what we like. And going against it still lands you behind their metaphorical gym alone, with the rejects, smoking a metaphorical cigarette and daydreaming of graduation.

Axe on December 20, 2013 at 11:30 AM

fascist totalitarianism marches on and the people of NYC say “give us more”.

Jackson on December 20, 2013 at 11:31 AM

I’ve got a humidifier running in my house that would make this guy soil himself. OHHH THE WATER VAPOR!

justjulie20 on December 20, 2013 at 11:31 AM

Would I get a ticket for having a candy cigarette in my hand and pretending to smoke? Oh nooes she’s making believe that she’s smoking!! Arrest her for normalizing smoking!!

BeachBum on December 20, 2013 at 11:32 AM

You know, there was a time when people thought NYC had a significant number of tough guys amongst its populace. Pretty much these days NYC does something daily to announce its status the biggest collection of pu****s on the planet.

And another thing, in the dozen years since reenlisting after 9/11, not once have I encountered a guy from NYC in the service. Not. Even. One.

I know that’s just an anecdotal observation, but then so is the fact that DeBlasio just got elected by that herd of Pajama Boy People.

M240H on December 20, 2013 at 11:33 AM

Have you ever seen flowers or grass with that touch of dew on them in the Summer mornings? BANNED IN NYC! The vapor will kill us all.

Thank you for protecting me from that flower.

justjulie20 on December 20, 2013 at 11:33 AM

Why can we shoot him to the sun?

And don’t say because high capacity rockets are banned.

Gatsu on December 20, 2013 at 11:34 AM

Bloombberg’s a blooming twit.

Next time I’m in NY, I’m lighting a fat cigar in the middle of Times Square.

Turtle317 on December 20, 2013 at 11:36 AM

Which, by the way, are themselves not harmful to bystanders according to one new study.

Saying second-hand smoke doesn’t cause lung cancer is not the same thing as saying they have no health effects. Of course, if you don’t want to be around smokers, the mature response is to not be around smokers. Not whine to the government to pass more laws.

Myself, I think e-cigarettes have the potential to get people off smoking real cigarettes in a way no other product has. It not only provides the nicotine, but lets them keep the same habit of playing with a physical cigarette. Habit is a strong thing. Bloomberg recognizes this, and is scared of losing the tax revenue. Politicians don’t really want people to quit smoking; it brings in too much money.

Fenris on December 20, 2013 at 11:36 AM

Ah yes…water vapor BAD …. 13 year olds buying abortion pills FANTASTIC!

BeachBum on December 20, 2013 at 11:36 AM

Next on the chopping block: Martinelli’s Sparkling Cider, and non-alcoholic beer. Because they “send the wrong message.”

VastRightWingConspirator on December 20, 2013 at 11:38 AM

So they’re like toy guns?

Ward Cleaver on December 20, 2013 at 11:38 AM

jeez, what if I chew on my ball point pen? will that cause Bloomie and the fascists to get the vapors? (yes, pun intended)

I’m thinking of a word, sounds lie posse. WTF is wrong with these people? They used to be tough and independent. Now they are just sheep.

john1schn on December 20, 2013 at 11:38 AM

Why can we shoot him to the sun?

And don’t say because high capacity rockets are banned.

Gatsu on December 20, 2013 at 11:34 AM

What did the sun do to you?

john1schn on December 20, 2013 at 11:40 AM

OT: Dude.

Chris of Rights on December 20, 2013 at 11:41 AM

Which, by the way, are themselves not harmful to bystanders according to one new study.
===============

Oh ya, but what about a Impact Study, that e-ciggs contribute
and are the number one cause of Global Warming!!!
(snark)

canopfor on December 20, 2013 at 11:42 AM

“You can have my e-cig when you pry it from my dead cold fingers.”

Bitter Clinger on December 20, 2013 at 11:43 AM

In a related move, empty 16 oz. cups were banned.

whatcat on December 20, 2013 at 11:23 AM

High capacity cups are evil. Who needs 16oz to have a drink?

Happy Nomad on December 20, 2013 at 11:44 AM

These are tiny things in the big picture of the coming societal collapse. In a few years people will be walking the streets of NY smoking cigars, drinking whiskey and hunting retards in pajamas that caused the collapse.

BL@KBIRD on December 20, 2013 at 11:45 AM

What’s the rule for dangling an unlit cigarette from your mouth?

Bitter Clinger on December 20, 2013 at 11:46 AM

…WTF?…it’s only a law…break it!

KOOLAID2 on December 20, 2013 at 11:48 AM

This is, I think, less about preventing people from endangering themselves by using e-cigs than urban progressives affirming their cultural disdain for smoking in all its forms.

I just don’t understand why they’re doing this. Liberals told me they were against legislating morality! /

Doomberg on December 20, 2013 at 11:51 AM

If Big Tobacco is not somehow involved in this I’ll be shocked.

Vanilla on December 20, 2013 at 11:53 AM

Friggin lunatics.

forest on December 20, 2013 at 11:54 AM

Hey, New Yorkers apparently love it when their government bans stuff. They are getting exactly what they asked for and what they deserve. I say Bravo to Mayor Bloomberg for delivering the kind of nanny state that the public wants.

And, the incoming administration should not rest until the amount of soda a citzen can buy is well-regulated. If that right wing judge says a ban on soda size, just start taxing all sodas over 8oz!

Happy Nomad on December 20, 2013 at 12:01 PM

Bad news- Harry Reid alert and feeling better.

Happy Nomad on December 20, 2013 at 12:03 PM

Freaking idiots. Avoid that crazy city, it might be contagious.

rplat on December 20, 2013 at 12:04 PM

I’ll have whatever Pajama Boy is drinking.

TarheelBen on December 20, 2013 at 12:05 PM

Bad news- Harry Reid alert and feeling better.

Happy Nomad on December 20, 2013 at 12:03 PM

Happy Nomad:

Ugh, now I have to put my Reid Voo-Doo Doll away, again…(sarc):)

canopfor on December 20, 2013 at 12:07 PM

Bloomberg is mentally disturbed.

How about banning short people who’ve been accused of sexual harassment, eh, Mayor?

Seth Halpern on December 20, 2013 at 12:08 PM

What’s the rule for dangling an unlit cigarette from your mouth?

Bitter Clinger on December 20, 2013 at 11:46 AM

Charges: 1. Possession of a deadly substance or device, 2. Brandishing a deadly device, 3. Criminal intimidation and incitement, 4. Disorderly conduct, 5. Possession of a hazardous substance or device without a license, 6. Failure to properly secure a hazardous substance or device for transporting, 7. Transporting a hazardous substance or device without a permit.

Penalties: 1. Max 25 years, 2. Max 25 years, 3. Max 15 years, 4. Max fine of $5,000 and/or 30 days, 5. Max 5 years, 6. Max fine of $50,000 and revocation of license, 7. Max fine of $50,000 or 50% commercial value of transported goods (whichever is greater), 5 years, and revocation of license.

So . . .

“Hanging Judge”: — 75 years and one month to think it over and $100,000 to help the community heal.

*bang*

—————-

^ Nonsense closer than people think, I bet.

Axe on December 20, 2013 at 12:08 PM

Well,..the Senate is Bugging Out:

Janet Yellen nominated to head Federal Reserve
3m
US Senate finishes business for 2013 after cloture vote on Janet Yellen – @DavidMDrucker
end of bulletin

canopfor on December 20, 2013 at 12:10 PM

Damn, I botched it. Fold the redundancy together. –There are limits to the amount of work you can put into a comment and still justify your lifestyle. :)

Axe on December 20, 2013 at 12:12 PM

What’s the rule for dangling an unlit cigarette from your mouth?

Bitter Clinger on December 20, 2013 at 11:46 AM

Charges: 1. Possession of a deadly substance or device, 2. Brandishing a deadly device, 3. Criminal intimidation and incitement, 4. Disorderly conduct, 5. Possession of a hazardous substance or device without a license, 6. Failure to properly secure a hazardous substance or device for transporting, 7. Transporting a hazardous substance or device without a permit.

Axe on December 20, 2013 at 12:08 PM

You forgot the added penalties incurred should children be present within a mile radius of your unsecured cigarette.

Happy Nomad on December 20, 2013 at 12:13 PM

Why can’t they be tolerant to e-cigs and accept them for what they are and not be so judgmental and hateful with their vileness?

Jackson on December 20, 2013 at 12:16 PM

If you want to overburden the mental health care system in NYC, just put some gun advertisements on billboards around town…….photos required.

antipc on December 20, 2013 at 12:22 PM

This is, I think, less about preventing people from endangering themselves by using e-cigs than urban progressives affirming their cultural disdain for smoking in all its forms.

Which is why the time is ripe for carrying not just e-cigs but real cigs, cigars and pipes into the prohibited areas and go through the motions of smoking but not actually violate the law by lighting up, so to speak.

If the City attempts to enforce the spirit of their precious law on those doing this, it would, no doubt, run headlong into the wall called free speech, not any different than that of wearing a t-shirt some snooty nanny-stater doesn’t like, and lose spectacularly.

Dusty on December 20, 2013 at 12:22 PM

Bad news- Harry Reid alert and feeling better.

Happy Nomad

They X-rayed his heart area and found nothing.

Knott Buyinit on December 20, 2013 at 12:22 PM

Big Tax can’t have people flaunting their escape from the Matrix.

rw on December 20, 2013 at 12:24 PM

NYC bans e-cigarettes

Q: Why do they keep sticking their thumbs in our eyes?

A: Because they can.

petefrt on December 20, 2013 at 12:25 PM

Why can’t they be tolerant to e-cigs and accept them for what they are and not be so judgmental and hateful with their vileness?

Jackson on December 20, 2013 at 12:16 PM

Now there’s an idea. Get Phil Robertson to come out against e-cigs. The pajama boy crowd (of which most NYC males belong) would be clamoring for them.

Happy Nomad on December 20, 2013 at 12:27 PM

urban progressives affirming their cultural disdain for smoking in all its forms

Well, not quite. It’s still fashionable to use marijuana and cocaine.

GarandFan on December 20, 2013 at 12:29 PM

This is, I think, less about preventing people from endangering themselves by using e-cigs than urban progressives affirming their cultural disdain…

+100

Totalitarianism: Every detail of daily living is made political.

petefrt on December 20, 2013 at 12:29 PM

I can hardly wait for Bloomberg to be placed in a nursing home where he’ll try to tell them what to do.

sadatoni on December 20, 2013 at 12:30 PM

If E-Cigs were Gay…They’d be all for it…

workingclass artist on December 20, 2013 at 12:35 PM

These people are idiots and need to be walked out back and double-tapped – for the good of the children.

HomeoftheBrave on December 20, 2013 at 12:37 PM

Which, by the way, are themselves not harmful to bystanders according to one new study.

Actually having read that post, it says that their cancer risk is marginal but significant, and they can raise the risk of other things like cardiovascular disease. That’s a looooooooooooooong way from “not harmful,” AP. That’s like saying that Obamacare is fixed now that the individual mandate is suspended for folks who got their insurance cancelled. Just because one bad thing is no longer there doesn’t mean that related bad things are magically gone.

calbear on December 20, 2013 at 12:50 PM

Here in the Berkshires,in restaurants they’ve banned drinking water from a wine glass b/c people might be encouraged to drink in excess.

rik on December 20, 2013 at 1:04 PM

You forgot the added penalties incurred should children be present within a mile radius of your unsecured cigarette.

Happy Nomad on December 20, 2013 at 12:13 PM

You can tell I’m a right wing nut. I didn’t even think of the children. :)

Add reckless endangerment.

Axe on December 20, 2013 at 1:04 PM

All part of the progressive plan to continue inoculating the public into more and more government control.

albill on December 20, 2013 at 1:04 PM

That’s like saying that Obamacare is fixed now that the individual mandate is suspended for folks who got their insurance cancelled. Just because one bad thing is no longer there doesn’t mean that related bad things are magically gone.

calbear on December 20, 2013 at 12:50 PM

Damn, something sensible coming from you. What’s wrong?

Barred on December 20, 2013 at 1:16 PM

No one’s reached any firm conclusion that they’re harmful
– Allahpundit

I think it’s silly, the ban.
But worth pointing out that Allah’s above statement is what the tobacco companies were saying about cigarettes up until just a few years ago. They also said there was no ‘firm conclusion’ that nicotine was addictive.

verbaluce on December 20, 2013 at 1:19 PM

At least some of NYC is an island, right? What’s involved in selling a piece of the US to a more compatible nation like, say, North Korea?
At least then they’d have some lights on at night.

Tsar of Earth on December 20, 2013 at 1:27 PM

No, the reason public “vaping” needed to be banned is that it simply looks too much like smoking.

And, for God’s sake, we in NY know what low life scum smokers are. So, don’t vape because it remninds us that there are smoking scum out there somewhere. Probably in the south, where everyone’s racist.

/

Tsar of Earth on December 20, 2013 at 1:31 PM

As someone who’s been smoking for 25 years, ecigs indeed cut down on cigarette intake, especially when one is in a place where you can’t smoke anywhere. I spent a month over the summer in Montana, and I wound up buying a Blu ecig system, and I smoked a lot less. If somone told me to quit using an ecig in their presence, I think it would almost be worth the assault charge to pumch their lights out. Ours is quickly turning into a nation of pu$$ies, and it’s a damn shame.

King B on December 20, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Umm, your nose can tell all the difference between an e-cig and the old-fashioned kind

Sekhmet on December 20, 2013 at 1:38 PM

Why can’t they be tolerant to e-cigs and accept them for what they are and not be so judgmental and hateful with their vileness?

Jackson on December 20, 2013 at 12:16 PM

Because it makes the libs uncomfortable.
Liberals and leftists are control freaks and busybodies.
They have zero self awareness or understanding and are generally not very intelligent.
All of which makes them dangerous.

justltl on December 20, 2013 at 1:57 PM

Conservatives are generally more tolerant. That’s whey they put up with this insanity from the libs.
To a point. After a certain point, however, there will be a violent backlash against these loathsome ninnies.

It’s like being the parents of a juvenile delinquent.

justltl on December 20, 2013 at 2:03 PM

They may not be real cigarettes but it’s the thought that counts, making this a thought-crime.

I hate NY fascism!

FloatingRock on December 20, 2013 at 2:11 PM

I don’t use e-cigarettes nor real ones but I still hate NY!

FloatingRock on December 20, 2013 at 2:16 PM

The NYC gummint is terrified of losing tobacco tax revenue.

Gene Hunt on December 20, 2013 at 2:23 PM

I think it’s silly, the ban.
But worth pointing out that Allah’s above statement is what the tobacco companies were saying about cigarettes up until just a few years ago. They also said there was no ‘firm conclusion’ that nicotine was addictive.

verbaluce on December 20, 2013 at 1:19 PM

I’m pretty sure it’s not that hard to find out what kind of damage water vapor is going to do to lungs.

Spliff Menendez on December 20, 2013 at 3:34 PM

There is a history of crazy rules like this in Judaism. During Passover, the Ashkenazi Orthodox Jews refrain from Kitniyot, legumes and grains clearly not wheat, out of fear that someone may thinking they are eating something forbidden during Passover. Of course, they turn around and use matzah to make foods that looks just like the forbidden foods.

The Sephardim never played this dumb game. And the Ashkenazim get around it in modern times by eating quinoa which was discovered too late for it to banned by the rabbis.

thuja on December 20, 2013 at 3:35 PM

I just don’t understand why they’re doing this. Liberals told me they were against legislating morality! /

Doomberg on December 20, 2013 at 11:51 AM

They mean they don’t want *you* legislating morality, because theirs is so much better than yours. Now shut the f*ck up, you evil cave-dwelling, flat-earther, climate change denying, unsophisticated, religious bigoted, insensitive, warmongering FOX News watcher!!!

Wanderlust on December 20, 2013 at 4:05 PM

thuja on December 20, 2013 at 3:35 PM

I hope you get crushed under the growing secular humanistic hell on earth utopia that is coming.

Seriously.

Murphy9 on December 20, 2013 at 5:03 PM

If you want to turn this around, lobby Apple to start making its own model and to charge a crapload for it. I know you don’t want to pay more, but it’ll help establish vaping as something that smart, well heeled, gadget-minded professionals do.

Make an e-cig that looks like a joint. Once the Hollywood liberal set embraces them, and the inevitable paparazzi photos emerge, there’s no turning back.

Paul_in_NJ on December 20, 2013 at 7:50 PM

The soda-jerk gets promoted.

TimBuk3 on December 21, 2013 at 4:27 AM