Let’s not have any reality in our reality television, please

posted at 10:01 am on December 19, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

I’ll start off my rant on A&E and the Duck Dynasty contretemps with a couple of disclosures. First, I have never seen the show, although I’ve seen plenty of advertising for and commentary about it.  I mostly stopped watching A&E when it stopped being about arts and entertainment, just like I stopped watching Bio when it stopped being about biographies and became the Exorcist Channel a few years ago.  Except for one show — 48 Hours — I don’t watch reality TV at all.

Why? Because it falls into two categories — Freak Shows and Contrived Contests.  When A&E suspended Duck Dynasty’s Phil Robertson, I happened to be watching 48 Hours, and one of the ads was for a new A&E (or Bio) show, Dinner Party Wars. It’s exactly what it sounds like — an opportunity for urbanites to talk smack about hors d’oeurve.  It’s part of the TV industry’s attempts to produce cheap shows that don’t have to pay writers and actors by either conning people into buying into false “reality” drama or pointing fingers at people who are different from themselves and laughing at them.

That’s what makes this decision by A&E so absurd. Duck Dynasty is clearly on their schedule for the latter purpose — because the Robertsons are so different from their target audience that they may as well be aliens.  That’s fine for the Robertsons, who have a large following, and A&E too, for that matter, even if it’s not my taste.  I wouldn’t demand that they stop airing reality television; I’m just not going to participate in it, that’s all.

But suspending Robertson for expressing a routine Christian belief an interview promoting the show? That’s when Christianity apparently becomes just too freakily realistic for A&E.  Let’s look at what Robertson said to GQ, as Mary Katharine did last night:

Out here in these woods, without any cameras around, Phil is free to say what he wants. Maybe a little too free. He’s got lots of thoughts on modern immorality, and there’s no stopping them from rushing out. Like this one:

“It seems like, to me, a vagina—as a man—would be more desirable than a man’s anus. That’s just me. I’m just thinking: There’s more there! She’s got more to offer. I mean, come on, dudes! You know what I’m saying? But hey, sin: It’s not logical, my man. It’s just not logical.” …

Even though he’s in the far corner of the room, Phil dominates the house. There are times when he doesn’t look you in the eye while he’s speaking—he looks just off to the side of you, as if Jesus were standing nearby, holding a stack of cue cards. Everyone else in the room just stares at his phone, or at the TV, or holds side conversations as Phil preaches.

“We’re Bible-thumpers who just happened to end up on television,” he tells me. “You put in your article that the Robertson family really believes strongly that if the human race loved each other and they loved God, we would just be better off. We ought to just be repentant, turn to God, and let’s get on with it, and everything will turn around.”

What does repentance entail? Well, in Robertson’s worldview, America was a country founded upon Christian values (Thou shalt not kill, etc.), and he believes that the gradual removal of Christian symbolism from public spaces has diluted those founding principles. (He and Si take turns going on about why the Ten Commandments ought to be displayed outside courthouses.) He sees the popularity of Duck Dynasty as a small corrective to all that we have lost.

“Everything is blurred on what’s right and what’s wrong,” he says. “Sin becomes fine.”

What, in your mind, is sinful?

“Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men,” he says. Then he paraphrases Corinthians: “Don’t be deceived. Neither the adulterers, the idolaters, the male prostitutes, the homosexual offenders, the greedy, the drunkards, the slanderers, the swindlers—they won’t inherit the kingdom of God. Don’t deceive yourself. It’s not right.”

A few people on Twitter claimed that Robertson equated homosexuality with bestiality, but more accurately, he put homosexuality in a category by itself and equated bestiality with heterosexual promiscuity.  Otherwise, he quoted Corinthians, which is standard Scripture for all Christian denominations, even if he offered a separate aside of a more blunt description of sexual organs than some wilting flowers seem to be able to handle. I wouldn’t have put it this way, but I’m a writer, not a small businessman with less time on my hands.

Anyway, the point is this: A&E knew that the Robertsons were fundamentalist Christians when they started making oodles of money off of them.  That was part of the schtick. In fact, that’s part of GQ’s schtick in this interview, too, which comes across in bucketloads in the profile — pointing at the rednecks and laughing.  Yet the moment that Phil Robertson expresses what is actually a mainstream Christian belief in sin, he’s booted off the show because he’s … what?  Too real?  Or too Christian?

Some people argue that this isn’t a First Amendment issue, and they’re right.  It’s not a case of government censorship, but then again, no critic of this action that I’ve read or heard is insisting that the government or a court restore Robertson to the show, either.  It’s a case of egregious hypocrisy, and a case of anti-Christian bigotry posing as a tolerance stunt. And this coming from a media outlet that survives on so-called reality television.

That’s worth pointing out, even if I think A&E is largely a joke, and never bother to tune into Duck Dynasty.

Matt Lewis writes today that this shows why we can’t ever escape the culture wars:

As RedState’s Erick Erickson constantly reminds us: “You Will Be Made to Care.”

And so, if you own a flower shop and — because of your religious convictions — decline to work for a gay wedding, you will be made to care. If your five-year old son makes a “gun gesture” with his hand, you will be made to care. If you’re a redneck in Louisiana who believes homosexuality is a sin, you will be made to care.

At some point, this became a zero-sum game. You’re either in the “Duck Dynasty” camp or the “Pajama Boy” camp. Somebody will lose.

No matter how hard you try, you simply cannot be a conscientious objector in the culture war.

Just when I thought I was out…they pull me back in.

Maybe A&E should just stick with such keen, insightful programming as Celebrity Ghost Stories, and give D-list celebs a little more work.

Update: Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal describes the “tolerance” perfectly:

“Phil Robertson and his family are great citizens of the State of Louisiana. The politically correct crowd is tolerant of all viewpoints, except those they disagree with. I don’t agree with quite a bit of stuff I read in magazine interviews or see on TV. In fact, come to think of it, I find a good bit of it offensive. But I also acknowledge that this is a free country and everyone is entitled to express their views. In fact, I remember when TV networks believed in the First Amendment. It is a messed up situation when Miley Cyrus gets a laugh, and Phil Robertson gets suspended,” said Jindal in a prepared statement.

They only “tolerate” it when they can make a buck off of it.


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Please educate us all on what sin is. Until then, STFU. You are just as bad as the leftist trolls with your stereotyping nonsense. You address nothing at all in what Robertson said, you only jump on the intolerance bandwagon.

NotCoach on December 19, 2013 at 10:38 AM

Your “sin” belongs in church.

Panther on December 19, 2013 at 10:42 AM

Let’s see, how did the Rainbow Crowd impact the whole Chick Fil’A debacle? Duck Dynasty will also rise above it all and be victorious….

hillsoftx on December 19, 2013 at 10:42 AM

I am sure I’m not the only viewer/consumer in this land who is motivated likewise. A&E just took it’s own poison pill by ditching Phil Robertson. And I strongly doubt the rest of the Roberston family will continue on A&E after this.

I hope they don’t, in other words. They should immediately do all that is possible to move elsewhere. If/when they do, their viewers will follow with them. And ::faketears:: A&E will be left to their own offensive pity party with GLAAD.

Lourdes on December 19, 2013 at 10:06 AM

Yep, it’s put up or shut up time for Willie and Jase. They have the power. “No more filming until Dad is back.”

cptacek on December 19, 2013 at 10:42 AM

What anti-gay legislation?

NotCoach on December 19, 2013 at 10:42 AM

DOMA.

Panther on December 19, 2013 at 10:43 AM

I guess a state should be able to ban a network because they don’t like the opinions or the agenda of the network. And certainly you should be able to ban a chicken sandwich business from your state if you don’t care for their opinions.

Buddahpundit on December 19, 2013 at 10:43 AM

So if Robertson were a Muslim declaring the teachings of Allah………..*crickets*

Starlink on December 19, 2013 at 10:30 AM

Exactly.

I will go even further. Robertson could be a Muslim declaring that homosexuals should be beheaded, and liberals would not say a word.

At heart, people on the left are cowards. They only bully people who will not push back.

DRayRaven on December 19, 2013 at 10:44 AM

Bishop on December 19, 2013 at 10:42 AM

+1000

BeachBum on December 19, 2013 at 10:44 AM

DOMA.

Panther on December 19, 2013 at 10:43 AM

Explain.

NotCoach on December 19, 2013 at 10:44 AM

Socons are the albatross.

Panther on December 19, 2013 at 10:32 AM

Geez. You’re boring.

22044 on December 19, 2013 at 10:34 AM

It’s the natural consequence of being a Moby.

whatcat on December 19, 2013 at 10:44 AM

Your “sin” belongs in church.

Panther on December 19, 2013 at 10:42 AM

So you are comfortable being an ignorant Fluke. If you can not honestly address what Robertson said the problem lies with you.

NotCoach on December 19, 2013 at 10:45 AM

DOMA.

Panther on December 19, 2013 at 10:43 AM

Explain.

NotCoach on December 19, 2013 at 10:44 AM

You just had to ask, didn’t you, now she’s going to expound with something eerily similar to what you would find at DoucheKos.

Bishop on December 19, 2013 at 10:46 AM

Keep up the Socon wishcasting. You could have a positive impact on elections but instead choose to support anti-gay legislation. You will continue, rightfully so, to be marginalized.

Panther on December 19, 2013 at 10:41 AM

Therein lies the problem with your thinking. Being for traditional marriage is not “anti-gay”. Marriage is now being broadened to also include polygamy. Are you for polygamy? Are you for 40 year old men marrying 13 year old boys? These are issues before the courts now that you have redefined marriage.

fight like a girl on December 19, 2013 at 10:46 AM

Explain.

NotCoach on December 19, 2013 at 10:44 AM

I have to do your homework for you?

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/court-defense-of-marriage-act-unconstitutional-for-denying-same-sex-married-couples-federal-benefits/

Panther on December 19, 2013 at 10:47 AM

Phil Robertson refers to parts of the anatomy that everyone is familiar with one way or the other and the politically correct liberals (I know, it’s redundant) display their typical outraged hypocrisy. Then they turn around in the next breath and refer to those of us who feel we are “Taxed and Regulated Enough” with a descriptive adjective that is a common, vile reference used by the gay community.

There’s not too many organized groups around that publicly display their sexual sins to the world and demand acceptance by others and resort to hateful displays of intolerance when criticized for their behavior.

iamsaved on December 19, 2013 at 10:47 AM

So you are comfortable being an ignorant Fluke. If you can not honestly address what Robertson said the problem lies with you.

NotCoach on December 19, 2013 at 10:45 AM

I honestly addressed it. He made a stupid comment and got suspended.

Panther on December 19, 2013 at 10:48 AM

Feel free to say what you believe unless it has to do with homosexuality or abortion. That’s the law of the left and they’ve been getting away with it for decades.

scalleywag on December 19, 2013 at 10:48 AM

Keep up the Socon wishcasting. You could have a positive impact on elections but instead choose to support anti-gay legislation. You will continue, rightfully so, to be marginalized.

Panther on December 19, 2013 at 10:41 AM

Answer the question. Why do black people take such a strong stance against gay marriage?

The fact is that the way most people live their lives is socially conservative, outside of a very narrow population of elites. They may not vote that way until you separate out single issues like gay marriage, but they live their lives that way.

Your problem is that the rest of the country is waking up to the fact that the left is the bigoted, racist, liers that they have accused the right of being for three generations.

The problem is that you cannot tolerate any opinion that challenges your own. Nor can you even answer questions that challenges your view. We have several people like that around here.

oldroy on December 19, 2013 at 10:49 AM

What anti-gay legislation?
NotCoach on December 19, 2013 at 10:42 AM

The Text of Amendment 1 NC: “Marriage between one man and one woman is the only domestic legal union that shall be valid or recognized in this State. This section does not prohibit a private party from entering into contracts with another private party; nor does this section prohibit courts from adjudicating the rights of private parties pursuant to such contracts.”

I don’t see a ban on gays anywhere in there.

nobar on December 19, 2013 at 10:50 AM

Where this issues really belongs is with Christians. Let them figure out how to rationalize the internal conflicts of a ‘morality’ that too often results in comments like the ones he made.
verbaluce on December 19, 2013 at 10:28 AM

You see internal conflicts here. Could you clarify please?

What, in your view, is wrong with the “morality” of the comments he made?

questionmark on December 19, 2013 at 10:50 AM

PantherPajama Boy

Gratefully, the stupid is strong with this one.
Who cutely thinks he gets to arbitrate what stupidity is.

22044 on December 19, 2013 at 10:51 AM

I’d say all three sides are going to get what’s coming to them. Chik-fil-A them all!

trigon on December 19, 2013 at 10:51 AM

I have to do your homework for you?

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/court-defense-of-marriage-act-unconstitutional-for-denying-same-sex-married-couples-federal-benefits/

Panther on December 19, 2013 at 10:47 AM

Yes, yes you do. You make a claim, you support it. Now please explain how DOMA is anti-gay legislation. Linking a SCOTUS ruling doesn’t cut it. How, exactly, are gays discriminated against under DOMA.

NotCoach on December 19, 2013 at 10:52 AM

As I said yesterday re: Podesta, enough being offended.
Did anyone assume this guy held any other view? Up ’til now did A&E brass assume he was just waiting to be asked to be a spokesman for marriage equality?

Uh oh. I find myself in agreement with you.

I don’t like what he said, but I don’t know the guy at all. i’ll assume he has some redeeming qualities.

How considerate of you.

A&E should’ve just shrugged this off and said ‘oh well, no big surprise here’.

Uh oh. I’m in agreement again.

Where this issues really belongs is with Christians. Let them figure out how to rationalize the internal conflicts of a ‘morality’ that too often results in comments like the ones he made.

Can you point out the internal conflicts, please? Because I don’t see anything. And the tone of your comment suggests that you perhaps should take your own advice about not being offended.

Everyone else should just ignore him. He’s a relic of another time and his only place now is in cheap entertainment.

verbaluce on December 19, 2013 at 10:28 AM

Does that upturned nose of yours make you worry about drowning when you go outside in the rain?

Chris of Rights on December 19, 2013 at 10:52 AM

These duck guys should just spend all their time explaining how A&E hates free speech and the freedoms on which this country was built.

For example, they can talk about how A&E was created in freedom, and now seeks to destroy freedom.

They should joke about A&E minders as if thet were the Stasi, or Orwellian Thought-Police.

They should invent an A&E whistle painted in rainbow colors. This would illustrate that A&E are GLAD’s “bitches.”

Then they should make a whistle for GLAD. It should have a little swastika on it in rainbow colors.

Herald of Woe on December 19, 2013 at 10:52 AM

Answer the question. Why do black people take such a strong stance against gay marriage?

The fact is that the way most people live their lives is socially conservative, outside of a very narrow population of elites. They may not vote that way until you separate out single issues like gay marriage, but they live their lives that way.

Your problem is that the rest of the country is waking up to the fact that the left is the bigoted, racist, liers that they have accused the right of being for three generations.

The problem is that you cannot tolerate any opinion that challenges your own. Nor can you even answer questions that challenges your view. We have several people like that around here.

oldroy on December 19, 2013 at 10:49 AM

Sure socons have won the presidency and congress. People don’t really like your views. They are anti…well, everything. Horrible message.

Panther on December 19, 2013 at 10:52 AM

Chik-fil-A them all!

trigon on December 19, 2013 at 10:51 AM

And let God sort them out!

questionmark on December 19, 2013 at 10:52 AM

Duck Dynasty is off my DVR until they bring Phil back. I hope the family walks away and just goes to another network. They don’t need A&E: A&E needs them.

californiacitizen on December 19, 2013 at 10:53 AM

I honestly addressed it. He made a stupid comment and got suspended.

Panther on December 19, 2013 at 10:48 AM

Lol. OK, what was stupid about his comment? Since we can’t seem to get past your prejudices we’ll start there.

NotCoach on December 19, 2013 at 10:53 AM

Yes, yes you do. You make a claim, you support it. Now please explain how DOMA is anti-gay legislation. Linking a SCOTUS ruling doesn’t cut it. How, exactly, are gays discriminated against under DOMA.

NotCoach on December 19, 2013 at 10:52 AM

I should have known reading was beyond your capabilities. Gays are denied the same federal rights as married “straight” couples. RIF.

Panther on December 19, 2013 at 10:54 AM

Time for Duck Dynasty to move to The Blaze. It would be a real coup for Beck.

newjerseypatriot on December 19, 2013 at 10:55 AM

I don’t see a ban on gays anywhere in there.

nobar on December 19, 2013 at 10:50 AM

That’s why I ask the question. He makes a claim, he needs to support it.

NotCoach on December 19, 2013 at 10:56 AM

As I said in the other thread, you’re simply not allowed to be a vocal, devout Christian anymore, or express viewpoints counter to that of the militant Left. Look at A&E’s statement calling his remarks disappointing. The only way they are disappointing is if you believe that expressing anything other than the wholesale embrace of homosexuality is wrong. It’s either believing as they do, embracing what they do, or you’re to be shunned and castigated.

Jindal is right…it’s a messed-up situation. It’s a messed up world, frankly, when one guy who doesn’t think gay sex is the bomb gets punished while a woman who embraced the murder of the late-term unborn is heralded as a heroine.

changer1701 on December 19, 2013 at 10:56 AM

Socons are the albatross.

Panther on December 19, 2013 at 10:32 AM

I’m not a socon and don’t agree with Robertson’s comments, but you’re falling prey to the “no one I know voted for Nixon” problem.

Doomberg on December 19, 2013 at 10:57 AM

I should have known reading was beyond your capabilities. Gays are denied the same federal rights as married “straight” couples. RIF.

Panther on December 19, 2013 at 10:54 AM

They are? That’s news to me. Specific examples?

NotCoach on December 19, 2013 at 10:57 AM

Lol. OK, what was stupid about his comment? Since we can’t seem to get past your prejudices we’ll start there.

NotCoach on December 19, 2013 at 10:53 AM

“It seems like, to me, a v@gina—as a man—would be more desirable than a man’s @nus. That’s just me. I’m just thinking: There’s more there! She’s got more to offer. I mean, come on, dudes! You know what I’m saying? But hey, sin: It’s not logical, my man. It’s just not logical.”

Panther is just upset that he is related to this genius

You don’t REALLY think a hard core socon like Paul
Bandit13 on November 6, 2013 at 9:01 PM

nobar on December 19, 2013 at 10:57 AM

Pajama Boy on December 19, 2013 at 10:54 AM

Why don’t you just join the Democrats. You post like one anyway, with your irrational anti-socon pathology of a 14 year old.

22044 on December 19, 2013 at 10:57 AM

People don’t really like your views. They are anti…well, everything.
Panther on December 19, 2013 at 10:52 AM

♪♫ Trolling, trolling, trolling on a river ♪♫

whatcat on December 19, 2013 at 10:58 AM

Anyway, the point is this: A&E knew that the Robertsons were fundamentalist Christians when they started making oodles of money off of them. That was part of the schtick. In fact, that’s part of GQ’s schtick in this interview, too, which comes across in bucketloads in the profile — pointing at the rednecks and laughing. Yet the moment that Phil Robertson expresses what is actually a mainstream Christian belief in sin, he’s booted off the show because he’s … what? Too real? Or too Christian?

A&E is probably making “oodles” of money by poking fun at rednecks, just as CBS did back in the ’70s with “All in the Family” poking fun at ethnic bigots. But the show actually needed Carroll O’Connor’s “Archie Bunker” character to portray what the audience was supposed to dislike. If “Archie Bunker” had been kicked off the show, nobody would have watched it.

But maybe Phil Robertson will have the last laugh, if he takes his “Duck Dynasty” program to another network and makes “oodles of money” for them, not A&E.

Steve Z on December 19, 2013 at 11:00 AM

I’m not a socon and don’t agree with Robertson’s comments, but you’re falling prey to the “no one I know voted for Nixon” problem.

Doomberg on December 19, 2013 at 10:57 AM

Fair enough. Give me a winning socon message?

Panther on December 19, 2013 at 11:00 AM

Sure socons have won the presidency and congress. People don’t really like your views. They are anti…well, everything. Horrible message.

Panther on December 19, 2013 at 10:52 AM

You are allowed to have you own opinion. You seems to only support your opinions, with, well opinions. Kind of moralistic. Your view is best to you, so no one should hold any other views.

I would hope that libfree would chime in about whether or not he has plans to be married in a Black Church.

oldroy on December 19, 2013 at 11:01 AM

Maybe these homosexual networks give some people a show for the purpose of suspending them. Msnbc gave Michael Savage a program and I think they fired him the first day because he said something that didn’t glorify homosexuality.

Buddahpundit on December 19, 2013 at 11:03 AM

Your “sin” belongs in church.

Panther on December 19, 2013 at 10:42 AM

I suppose this belongs in church too?

“Two Alabama men have been charged with imprisoning and filming their sexual abuse of a minor for use in child pornography made with the son of one of the accused.

Domestic partners Charles Dunnavant and Carl Herold face a litany of charges ranging from sexual torture and sodomy to exposing a person to an STD and child pornography production.

Authorities are seeking a $1million cash bond for each of the accused, the boy was Herold’s son according to reports….”

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2525016/Father-partner-imprisoned-abused-son-9-used-child-porn.html#ixzz2nw9VPxKU

The Gay community is dishonest about the promotion of pederasty (Twinks) within their culture.

Sin is Sin.

Ethics is what it is and is defined as:

rules of behavior based on ideas about what is morally good and bad.

workingclass artist on December 19, 2013 at 11:03 AM

Fair enough. Give me a winning socon message?

Panther on December 19, 2013 at 11:00 AM

Late term abortions should be banned.

You’ll find that such a statement has overwhelming support from nearly every demographic.

Chris of Rights on December 19, 2013 at 11:04 AM

I would hope that libfree would chime in about whether or not he has plans to be married in a Black Church.

oldroy on December 19, 2013 at 11:01 AM

You seem to have race issue linked with your anti-gay issue. Good luck with that.

Panther on December 19, 2013 at 11:05 AM

It’s because many on the right(and middle for that matter) view this as a fight over the First Amendment. Yes, A&E legally can suspend or fire the dude over this. But the problem is that we’re treading a very dangerous line here where if you don’t speak exactly as the thought police demand, you get destroyed. And it’s not just limited to what Phil Robertson said. Look at how people who merely profess the belief that marriage should remain between a man and a woman are treated today.

Doughboy on December 19, 2013 at 10:26 AM

To me, the bigger thing is lib hypocrisy. We’re supposed to turn the channel is something offends us. They need to fire people. When private consumers boycott the Dixie Chicks, they acted like they were victims, but again, they like to see anybody who they can get fired, fired.

Notcoach said that libs are dishonest. And that’s true in a sense. But they are honest with their own spirit of fickleness and caprice combined with a feel-good overvaluation of just how fair their sensibilities are and how nice a people they are.

Axeman on December 19, 2013 at 11:06 AM

The Gay community is dishonest about the promotion of pederasty (Twinks) within their culture.

Sin is Sin.

Ethics is what it is and is defined as:

rules of behavior based on ideas about what is morally good and bad.

workingclass artist on December 19, 2013 at 11:03 AM

Sexualization of children is wrong.

Period.

workingclass artist on December 19, 2013 at 11:06 AM

Late term abortions should be banned.

You’ll find that such a statement has overwhelming support from nearly every demographic.

Chris of Rights on December 19, 2013 at 11:04 AM

Nice try but the socon message in no abortion, ever. Nice spin though.

Panther on December 19, 2013 at 11:06 AM

The Duck Commander is fighting back. Petition, Twitter hastag, new Facebook page. He is really taking it to them…

“We Stand With Phil”

conservativeBC on December 19, 2013 at 11:07 AM

Nice try but the socon message in no abortion, ever. Nice spin though.

Panther on December 19, 2013 at 11:06 AM

Well, obviously that can’t be a straw man, since you’re such a socon representative.

Axeman on December 19, 2013 at 11:07 AM

Panther on December 19, 2013 at 11:05 AM

And, you seem to suffer from caput en rectum.

kingsjester on December 19, 2013 at 11:07 AM

Nice try but the socon message in no abortion, ever. Nice spin though.

Panther on December 19, 2013 at 11:06 AM

No, it isn’t. Liberals have this parody of conservatives in their mind, and they honestly believe the parody is true. It’s why they believe MSNBC is the anti-FNC. It isn’t. It’s the anti-parody-FNC.

Chris of Rights on December 19, 2013 at 11:07 AM

You seem to have race issue linked with your anti-gay issue. Good luck with that.

Panther on December 19, 2013 at 11:05 AM

I’m merely asking you to expound on why Black people and Muslims get a pass on their hatred of gays. Is it because blacks vote lefty and muslims will support and commit violence?

oldroy on December 19, 2013 at 11:08 AM

Panther on December 19, 2013 at 11:05 AM

And, while I’m at it…Brutus…is that you?

kingsjester on December 19, 2013 at 11:09 AM

I don’t think some folks here (including Mr. Morrissey) understand that a vast majority of the people that watch Duck Dynasty watch because they relate to the family. It’s not a matter of the audience looking down upon “silly rednecks” or A&E ridiculing them.

You don’t get 14 million viewers to tune in these days unless there’s some sort of connection between the people on the show and the people watching it.

I guess the “big deal” is that Phil Robertson said this out loud. Anyone that is surprised that he holds these views just hasn’t been paying attention to the man. Anyone that thinks the rest of the family doesn’t also hold these views is fooling themselves.

AScott on December 19, 2013 at 11:11 AM

You seem to have race issue linked with your anti-gay issue. Good luck with that.

Panther on December 19, 2013 at 11:05 AM

You poor thing. Intellectual two step, just like libfree, just like verby. Can’t ever answer a direct question.

oldroy on December 19, 2013 at 11:11 AM

workingclass artist on December 19, 2013 at 11:03 AM

That straw man isn’t even worth knocking down.

Panther on December 19, 2013 at 11:11 AM

No, it isn’t. Liberals have this parody of conservatives in their mind, and they honestly believe the parody is true. It’s why they believe MSNBC is the anti-FNC. It isn’t. It’s the anti-parody-FNC.

Chris of Rights on December 19, 2013 at 11:07 AM

“I can see Russia from my house.”

oldroy on December 19, 2013 at 11:12 AM

No, it isn’t. Liberals have this parody of conservatives in their mind, and they honestly believe the parody is true. It’s why they believe MSNBC is the anti-FNC. It isn’t. It’s the anti-parody-FNC.

Chris of Rights on December 19, 2013 at 11:07 AM

Really? Give me the socon message where abortion is okay.

Panther on December 19, 2013 at 11:12 AM

That straw man isn’t even worth knocking down.

Panther on December 19, 2013 at 11:11 AM

Looks like you learned a new term at least. Too bad you don’t know how to use it. I am also sorry your such an intellectually incurious, dishonest, and incapable human being. I’ll pray for you.

NotCoach on December 19, 2013 at 11:13 AM

Panther, I’m still waiting to see what was so anti-gay about Amendment 1.

“Marriage between one man and one woman is the only domestic legal union that shall be valid or recognized in this State. This section does not prohibit a private party from entering into contracts with another private party; nor does this section prohibit courts from adjudicating the rights of private parties pursuant to such contracts.”

If I remember right, you reside in the state, so this affects you directly.

nobar on December 19, 2013 at 11:14 AM

Nice try but the socon message in no abortion, ever. Nice spin though.

Panther on December 19, 2013 at 11:06 AM

Liberals and gay bigots like Panther endorsed and supported Kermit Gosnell.

northdallasthirty on December 19, 2013 at 11:14 AM

1. We love the sinner. We hate the sin.

kingsjester on December 19, 2013 at 10:19 AM

There’s the fundamental problem dealing with homosexuality, though kj: the sinner is the sin. Homosexuality is seen as an identity issue, so they can’t separate themselves from the sin. To the homosexual advocate, saying “God hates the sin” is the same thing as saying “God hates fags”.

GWB on December 19, 2013 at 11:14 AM

I’m merely asking you to expound on why Black people and Muslims get a pass on their hatred of gays. Is it because blacks vote lefty and muslims will support and commit violence?

oldroy on December 19, 2013 at 11:08 AM

I don’t block group hatred. You can if it suits your world view.

Panther on December 19, 2013 at 11:15 AM

Just bought my “Duck Dynasty-Now More Than Ever” T-shirt.And my Hey A&E,Duck You”,one as well!

redware on December 19, 2013 at 11:15 AM

I don’t block group hatred. You can if it suits your world view.

Panther on December 19, 2013 at 11:15 AM

What exactly have you been doing on this thread then?

oldroy on December 19, 2013 at 11:15 AM

Really? Give me the socon message where abortion is okay.

Panther on December 19, 2013 at 11:12 AM

I’ll bite. I find abortion disgusting. Give me your best defense of it.

DanMan on December 19, 2013 at 11:16 AM

I’ll bite. I find abortion disgusting. Give me your best defense of it.

DanMan on December 19, 2013 at 11:16 AM

Where have I defended it?

Panther on December 19, 2013 at 11:18 AM

That straw man isn’t even worth knocking down.

Panther on December 19, 2013 at 11:11 AM

Ethics is based on morality and our legal system is based on that ethical system.

workingclass artist on December 19, 2013 at 11:18 AM

I got fired from job as a Religious Education Teacher right after being asked back for the fall semester.

I privately told the DRE my personal beliefs concerning the Bible (inerrant, which we did not teach) and soteriology. I was let go in nanoseconds.

It came as no surprise. They had a right to fire me. A&E has a right to fire Phil. Palin is dead wrong. This is not a Free Speech issue. The problem is that this only works one way. Just as A&E should be free to fire Phil for his views on homosexuality, so should any private organization (pro or con).

mankai on December 19, 2013 at 11:18 AM

What exactly have you been doing on this thread then?

oldroy on December 19, 2013 at 11:15 AM

You confuse ideology with groups of people.

Panther on December 19, 2013 at 11:19 AM

Ethics is based on morality and our legal system is based on that ethical system.

workingclass artist on December 19, 2013 at 11:18 AM

Exactly why lefties have no problem with Obama ruling by decree.

oldroy on December 19, 2013 at 11:19 AM

The trolls show up to defend aberrant behavior. It’s what drives them.

mankai on December 19, 2013 at 11:19 AM

Where have I defended it?
Panther on December 19, 2013 at 11:18 AM

The gay community says of you don’t defend and support abortion, you’re a homophobe and a rapist.

Denounce yourself.

northdallasthirty on December 19, 2013 at 11:21 AM

Trolls, defend this, you ‘liberals’.

Schadenfreude on December 19, 2013 at 11:21 AM

Just as A&E should be free to fire Phil for his views on homosexuality, so should any private organization (pro or con).

mankai on December 19, 2013 at 11:18 AM

Yep. If I own a butcher shop, and you work for me, and I don’t like your views – you are gone.

That is the bottom line here.

That’s what these people don’t understand.

oldroy on December 19, 2013 at 11:22 AM

The trolls show up to defend aberrant behavior. It’s what drives them.

mankai on December 19, 2013 at 11:19 AM

Perhaps you belong in a church and not the classroom?

Panther on December 19, 2013 at 11:22 AM

I got fired from job as a Religious Education Teacher right after being asked back for the fall semester.

I privately told the DRE my personal beliefs concerning the Bible (inerrant, which we did not teach) and soteriology. I was let go in nanoseconds.

It came as no surprise. They had a right to fire me. A&E has a right to fire Phil. Palin is dead wrong. This is not a Free Speech issue. The problem is that this only works one way. Just as A&E should be free to fire Phil for his views on homosexuality, so should any private organization (pro or con).

mankai on December 19, 2013 at 11:18 AM

Best post on this thread.
If anyone says this is a free speech issue, they are wrong. Even Palin, whom I like very much.

22044 on December 19, 2013 at 11:22 AM

…he looks just off to the side of you, as if Jesus were standing nearby, holding a stack of cue cards. Everyone else in the room just stares at his phone, or at the TV, or holds side conversations as Phil preaches.

Wow, the GQ writing is dripping with snarky snobbishness. Their hatred of Christians & rednecks (which, of course, they consider the same) could not be more plain.

KS Rex on December 19, 2013 at 11:22 AM

Socons are the albatross.

Panther

And you are the @nus.

Now please explain how DOMA is anti-gay legislation.

NotCoach

A DOMA, btw, that was signed into law by a Socon warrior Democrat president named Bill Clinton, and supported by that other Socon warrior president named Barack Obama while running for the job and during his first term, lol.

xblade on December 19, 2013 at 11:23 AM

Trolls, defend this, you ‘liberals’.

Schadenfreude on December 19, 2013 at 11:21 AM

according to his reverse discrimination suit.

We need to drop that word “reverse.” Discrimination is discrimination.

mankai on December 19, 2013 at 11:25 AM

And it’s not just limited to what Phil Robertson said. Look at how people who merely profess the belief that marriage should remain between a man and a woman are treated today.

Doughboy on December 19, 2013 at 10:26 AM

It’s every aspect of hmsxl-wants that anyone ‘dares’ to disagree with or hold views-opposing about that a strangely disenfranchised group in media, on the internet, attack, malign, spread hateful gossip about without any basis in reality.

I say “disenfranchised group” because they are, indeed, disenfranchised from human civilization — otherwise, why all the desperate unhappiness that characterises their demands? Their “lifestyles”?

The only arenas in which they feel comfortable is those that reasure them their disenfranchisement is somehow not so, that “it’s everyone else, it’s not you”.

Thing is, it IS them. But they’re using the media to wage this crazy war on humanity, demanding that the wrong be deemed right, the right be destroyed, that there’s no accountability as long as it ‘feels’ ok.

Lourdes on December 19, 2013 at 11:26 AM

Yep. If I own a butcher shop, and you work for me, and I don’t like your views – you are gone.

That is the bottom line here.

That’s what these people don’t understand.

oldroy on December 19, 2013 at 11:22 AM

Well unless the employee is gay or muslim. Then no, they may be gone…but their lawyers with the full weight of the gov’t will be at your doorsteps within hours.

HumpBot Salvation on December 19, 2013 at 11:26 AM

Socons are the albatross.

Panther on December 19, 2013 at 10:32 AM

That’s what you guys keep saying. After the quatro-annual Januarial STFU–you’re the reason we lost the Presidency–nobody will ever vote for us unless we can make people who are susceptible to Democrat-sponsored guilt-by-association vote for MOR candidates.

When you guys are feeble weaklings, unable to attract people with a strong statement of principle, and constantly validating the opposition–which you say you don’t want in power–with every single stupid attack that the left sets up–you guys just play along.

And then you blame it on the people who you didn’t want to be seen with, because they weren’t happy to come along silently and hide themselves when you fi-cons swung at every curveball the Dems through at you, because you’re incapable of summoning an ounce of backbone.

So it becomes this self-fulfilling prophesy. You can’t win the moderates because the socons won’t serve as your punching bag as the kind of people who really don’t belong in society anymore, so we can impress the independents (while totally ignoring the growth of conservative independents) we can only put up MOR candidates–who are more likely to compromise with the Dem agenda–and then tell us that they’re the last hope to stop the agenda that they’re much more willing to compromise with. And you’re so consumed by your teenage embarrassment that you play along with the liberals and when conservatives disavow Todd Aiken, you still have to score points against your hated allies.

You guys are less that useless–and you’re not even tactically apt. And you lose people off of both ends and have for the last 8 years. And all we get from it is warmed-over liberal-lite politics and talk of shaking the etch-a-sketch.

Axeman on December 19, 2013 at 11:27 AM

The trolls show up to defend aberrant behavior. It’s what drives them.

mankai on December 19, 2013 at 11:19 AM

Perhaps you belong in a church and not the classroom?

Panther on December 19, 2013 at 11:22 AM

mankai, “Panther” is telling you “it burns, it burns.”

Lourdes on December 19, 2013 at 11:27 AM

Meanwhile, welcome to the USSA, in all ways.

Schadenfreude on December 19, 2013 at 11:27 AM

If anyone says this is a free speech issue, they are wrong. Even Palin, whom I like very much.

22044

It is a free speech issue. It’s just not an unconstitutional, government-related free speech issue. A&E doesn’t support free speech, and they’re well within their rights to not do so. Doesn’t mean this isn’t a free speech issue. Government didn’t create the concept of speaking freely.

xblade on December 19, 2013 at 11:28 AM

Best post on this thread.
If anyone says this is a free speech issue, they are wrong. Even Palin, whom I like very much.

22044 on December 19, 2013 at 11:22 AM

Yes, this is not really a free speech issue, but it goes to the heart of the free speech matter. When does government start punishing people for free thought under the “hate speech’ banner? If a company punishes someone who is a huge money maker for them for stating exactly what he believes and they should have known he believes; then the answer is that we will start seeing government bullying very quickly especially in light of ENDA, and the hate crime laws.

The fact is that there are certain groups that can’t be challenged, and those groups have the full weight of the government on their side.

melle1228 on December 19, 2013 at 11:28 AM

Well unless the employee is gay or muslim. Then no, they may be gone…but their lawyers with the full weight of the gov’t will be at your doorsteps within hours.

HumpBot Salvation on December 19, 2013 at 11:26 AM

Exactly my point. A&E fires Duckman for his Christian views. Where is the Justice Dept.?

Oldroy the butcher fires butcher’s assistant for not being socially conservative enough? “Hi. We’re from the Government.”

oldroy on December 19, 2013 at 11:29 AM

Socons are the albatross.

Panther on December 19, 2013 at 10:32 AM

How can that be?

Podesta, the D’s Adolf, who wants obama to decide all EPA and other things by Hitlarian means, called the Socons…”Hitlarian”.

Make up your minds. Either Socons are dissenters or they’re not. YOU can’t have it both wayt.

Schadenfreude on December 19, 2013 at 11:29 AM

They are anti…well, everything. Horrible message.

Panther on December 19, 2013 at 10:52 AM

You have not got a clue what social conservatives belief and advocate, except what the media (or your own prejudices) tell you.

Athanasius on December 19, 2013 at 11:30 AM

wayt = ways

Schadenfreude on December 19, 2013 at 11:30 AM

You confuse ideology with groups of people.

Panther on December 19, 2013 at 11:19 AM

Socons rant about gays; a hard issue to attract others to your tent. Fact.

Panther on December 19, 2013 at 10:27 AM

Socons are the albatross.

Panther on December 19, 2013 at 10:32 AM

Sure socons have won the presidency and congress. People don’t really like your views. They are anti…well, everything. Horrible message.

Panther on December 19, 2013 at 10:52 AM

These all have something in common, I wonder what that is.

nobar on December 19, 2013 at 11:30 AM

Perhaps you belong in a church and not the classroom?

Panther on December 19, 2013 at 11:22 AM

You seem to espouse the fallacious idea that discussion of ethical principles should be confined within churches.

Should our court system be confined within churches?

Should our education system (teaching children not to steal or lie) be confined within churches?

workingclass artist on December 19, 2013 at 11:30 AM

Axeman on December 19, 2013 at 11:27 AM

I would quote the whole rant but a typical socon winning message. You guys really should be jettisoned from the conservative movement.

Panther on December 19, 2013 at 11:31 AM

They are anti…well, everything. Horrible message.

Panther on December 19, 2013 at 10:52 AM

How come Podesta then called them “kool aid drinkes”?

You and him are illogical people or thugs. What are you?

Schadenfreude on December 19, 2013 at 11:31 AM

drinkers, alas

Schadenfreude on December 19, 2013 at 11:31 AM

The trolls show up to defend aberrant behavior. It’s what drives them.

mankai on December 19, 2013 at 11:19 AM

Perhaps you belong in a church and not the classroom?

Panther on December 19, 2013 at 11:22 AM

B. Trolls show up to display their ignorance. It’s how they roll.

I was teaching at a church, dimwit.

But lets’ say, for the sake of your IQ level, that I was teaching Religious Education in a public classroom, why wouldn’t I be able to hold personal views concerning the Bible and soteriology? You fascists can’t have anybody with an unapproved opinion, can you?

mankai on December 19, 2013 at 11:31 AM

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