Fox News poll: 54% of Democrats want ObamaCare delayed for a year

posted at 11:21 am on December 19, 2013 by Allahpundit

Gratifying, especially since the number just a month ago was 44 percent.

But it’s a little late for this now, no?

delay

That’s how people respond when they’re asked if implementation should be delayed for a year “until more details are ironed out.” In literally every demographic, more support delay than oppose it — and among different age demographics, O’s ostensible base of adults under age 35 is the most likely to want a time out. Hmmmm.

But what good is it now? There’s no way people who’ve already signed up, especially people with preexisting conditions, are going to have the rug pulled out from under them by some sort of retroactive delay that rescinds their enrollments. It’d be a political nightmare. Nor realistically could insurers decide to close down enrollment early to new applicants while keeping people who’ve already signed up on the books. How would that work? After spending three years carefully designing new plans to comply with O-Care requirements, they’re supposed to toss it all out the window and resurrect plans they offered before the law took effect? The objection to Obama’s cynical announcement last month about letting insurance companies un-cancel plans is that it created a logistical nightmare for the industry that it hadn’t planned for. Delaying the law now would compound that nightmare by giving O’s “suggestion” the force of law, extending it to millions of new consumers, and it’d wreak havoc with next year’s risk pools by eliminating the incentive created by the mandate for “young invincibles” to sign up.

And judging by the new NYT/CBS poll, that incentive already looks shaky. Here’s what happens when you ask the uninsured whether they’ve signed up yet:

unins

The sexy number there is 58 percent claiming that, despite two and half months of publicity and an enrollment deadline that’s now just four days away, nearly 60 percent haven’t even paid attention to O-Care. I think the 32 percent figure is just as revealing, though. Roughly 40 percent of Americans without insurance did indeed look into signing up — and more than three-quarters of them decided to pass after they did? Good lord. What lesson about supposedly affordable care should we draw from that?

Back to the Fox News poll. Delay isn’t the only metric where young voters are surprisingly cool to The One. This seems significant:

trust

No surprise that everyone would be more skeptical these days about a man who was just crowned Liar of the Year, but I wouldn’t have guessed that adults under age 35 would lead the pack age-wise. Can Democrats resist public pressure to do something about O-Care when even some of their core constituencies are asking for relief?

Actually, maybe they can:

defund

Even now, after months of terrible media coverage and endless rhetoric from the GOP about repeal, the number who think the law will stay on the books is more or less the same as it was two and a half years ago. You can read that in one of two ways. Optimistically, it’s a sign that disaffected voters might be ready to hand the GOP a big win next November. If you think repeal is unlikely, it’s all the more important to send as many pro-repeal legislators to Congress as possible. Pessimistically, it’s proof of complacency: Voters dislike ObamaCare and would be happy to see it suspended for a while, but they’re resigned to the fact that it’s just not going to happen. (In fact, that includes some grassroots conservatives, no? If you believe that the GOP will never have the stones to blow up O-Care, even if they have the numbers, then you’re in the 54 percent.) And what makes the complacency worse, of course, is that there’s no bipartisan consensus on what to do if/when the law is ultimately repealed. Lefties, remember, are becoming more bold about seeking a more statist solution to the problem. And even if both sides kinda sorta agree that a delay would be useful, they agree for dramatically different reasons. Republicans want delay because it’s easier to kill a law later if the public hasn’t gotten used to it yet. Grassroots Democrats want delay because they really do want O to have more time to get the bugs worked out and then to re-launch with a clean slate. How many liberals who participated in this poll would change their minds if they came to understand that delay might very well mean doom for O-Care?


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1 in 10 regret voting for obama.

May he scroom you royally, sheepleton.

Schadenfreude on December 19, 2013 at 11:23 AM

Sheepleton, may the gov’t scroom you until you bleed.

We’ll pour lemon juice on you, with schadenfreude.

Schadenfreude on December 19, 2013 at 11:25 AM

There is one of these for all who voted for obama’care’.

Never forget and make this national.

Schadenfreude on December 19, 2013 at 11:25 AM

Meanwhile, welcome to the USSA.

Schadenfreude on December 19, 2013 at 11:26 AM

I’m sure Obama will declare that they’re all a bunch of bomb-throwing terrorists holding a gun to our heads.

Mr. Bingley on December 19, 2013 at 11:28 AM

NO DELAYS.

If it needs a delay, it needs to be repealed. Period.

But then we do live in the USSA, so none of this matters anyway.

We’re already screwed.

Meople on December 19, 2013 at 11:29 AM

In literally every demographic, more support delay than oppose it

On the slice that you posted, actually only one demographic (by 1%), but I would be called racist if I pointed out which one, right?

D-fusit on December 19, 2013 at 11:34 AM

Well whatever the worthless gimme class wants the gimme class gets.

bgibbs1000 on December 19, 2013 at 11:35 AM

Hey, Barry, since this is the season to be giving thanks, I’d just like to say, “Thanks!!” for saving us taxpayers all that money which would have been spent updating the Environmental Impact Statement for Mount Rushmore.

Dusty on December 19, 2013 at 11:36 AM

Lets put that shit sandwich in the fridge, and eat it next week. It’ll be much better then.

BobMbx on December 19, 2013 at 11:36 AM

Cloward-Piven was the concept of flooding the social safety net to collapse the economy, what is anti-Cloward-Piven?

man the best laid plans and all that…

DanMan on December 19, 2013 at 11:39 AM

But it’s a little late for this now, no?

Way too late for delay. The deadline for delay was before the insurance cancellation letters went out.

Dusty on December 19, 2013 at 11:41 AM

Full steam ahead, please.

BuckeyeSam on December 19, 2013 at 11:41 AM

What aspect do they want delayed? The Employer Mandate and Small Business aspects are already delayed an extra year – to late 2014. The Individual Mandate? It’s too late to really delay that any further – the Administration is stalling on this as much as it can while it tries to put the toothpaste back into the tube.

Delaying the EpicClusterFark will not stop O’care from being an EpicClusterFark. It’s an EpicClusterFark because of how it was designed, how it was written into law, and how it is being implemented by the federal bureaucracy.

O’care was never designed or intended to ‘fix’ the challenges our nation faces within the healthcare industry. It’s a political ideological initiative that seizes 1/6th of the national economy and places it under the direct control of the federal government.

The only fix is to kill this 2200+ pages of legislation and 20,000+ pages of regulations that nuke healthcare for 280 million while only benefiting less than 20 million, and start over with a focus on fixing the healthcare challenges we face.

Athos on December 19, 2013 at 11:42 AM

BREAKING:

WH issues blanket ACA waiver; everyone exempted. WH Spox Carney said “This is an effort designed to raise the Presidents poll numbers, and nothing else”

BobMbx on December 19, 2013 at 11:45 AM

Given the season, GOP members in Congress should purchase and prominently display two broken replicas of the Leg Lamp from A Christmas Story–one in the House and one in the Senate. They should position a bottle of glue near each replica and label each Obamacare, and post a question on each replica: “Fix it or bury it?”

BuckeyeSam on December 19, 2013 at 11:47 AM

And most people with half an ounce of common sense want the monstrosity delayed for 20,000 millennia…

Let the radioactive mole people of 20,002,014 deal with this crapola.

Gingotts on December 19, 2013 at 11:48 AM

BuckeyeSam on December 19, 2013 at 11:47 AM

Bush used up all the glue on purpose!

Gingotts on December 19, 2013 at 11:49 AM

So 54% of Democrats are racist?

oldroy on December 19, 2013 at 11:51 AM

In literally every demographic, more support delay than oppose it —

Well, I have it from a pretty good source that the Brillo-haired sage of the Democratic Party says the Democrats will be happy to run on Obamacare next year so I don’t know where they’re getting these bad poll numbers.

DaveDief on December 19, 2013 at 11:53 AM

Gee, I wonder why. 2014 have anything to do with it? It’s certainly not very hard to see through this one…unless you are a brain dead obama voter.

rjh on December 19, 2013 at 11:54 AM

Just repeal the d@mned thing already. Occam’s Razor rule here. Too bad the political class is completely deficient in the ability to think rationally.

Turtle317 on December 19, 2013 at 11:57 AM

Delaying it does nothing.
- You STILL can’t keep your insurance.
- You STILL can’t keep your doctors.
- Millions will STILL love their health care.
- Millions will STILL be forced to face much higher premiums…in many cases for less coverage.
- There will STILL be ‘Death Panels’
- Millions of Americans will still lose their jobs & their bosses drop their health coverage.
- Americans will STILL be fined for not following Obama’s edict.
- Americans will still have to pay the health care premiums for the very politiciabns who rammed this horrible law down their throats.

- Eventually this will result in the evolution of health care to the Single Payer System, Obama’s final goal.

easyt65 on December 19, 2013 at 11:59 AM

Why is FOX asking for a delay instead of repeal? It’s better that it not be delayed until after the election. We’ll only get two more years of progressive rule and national decline.

cajunpatriot on December 19, 2013 at 12:01 PM

Delay and Democrats keep the senate. Only as people see the pain will they vote out the Liberals in Congress both House and Senate. Hide the pain until everything is destroyed will not help this country. It will only help Obama to protect him from the heat of causing millions from losing their Insurance.

danfinrud on December 19, 2013 at 12:14 PM

Expose this crap now.
No exemptions. No delays.
The pain should be allowed to happen. Revisit it on the Dems who passed this sh!t.

Progressives: eat the crap your govt shoved down our throats. By the way, not a single Repub voted to pass 0crappycare!

freedomfirst on December 19, 2013 at 12:29 PM

Just repeal the d@mned thing already. Occam’s Razor rule here. Too bad the political class is completely deficient in the ability to think rationally.

Turtle317 on December 19, 2013 at 11:57 AM

I say, it’ll be repealed by the end of January…I’ve been hoping the Dumbocrats & Choomie would have to do it legislatively, but I think it’ll be struck down judicially first.

Anti-Control on December 19, 2013 at 12:37 PM

Do they have clue why they would delay it?

albill on December 19, 2013 at 12:45 PM

So, as a result fo Obamacare, millions of Americans have lost jobs, have lost their health care plans, an many have possibly become victims of Identity theft as we have already been told hackers have raided the Obamacare Web site SEVERAL times already and have stolen personal information of those attempting to sign up.

WHO HAS BENEFITTED FROM OBAMACARE / WAIVER?
o The 2,200+ recipients of Obamacare waivers have TEMPORARILY benefitted.

o The employees whose jobs & insurance was not lost due to the delays TEMPORARILY benefitted
** The waiver for the both of these will run out & eventually the companies will be forced to lay off workers & drop health care coverage. The employees who were spared this pain initially will face this later, will most probably lose their health care &/or jobs.

o The Creator / Designer of the Obamacare Web Site — Michelle Obama’s school/college friend who was hired to through a No-Bid Contract (which Obama swore he would end as President) build it, the guy who Canada hired earlier to build their health care web site but fired due to incompetence, mistakes, delays prior to the Obama’s hiring him.

o Obama – his agenda to push toward his beloved single payer system

easyt65 on December 19, 2013 at 1:02 PM

and then hotair will run out of material to bash the President on…that’s what you’re really afraid of, right?

nonpartisan on November 19, 2013 at 4:47 PM

Chris of Rights on December 19, 2013 at 1:05 PM

54% of Democrats, then, are racists.

HiJack on December 19, 2013 at 1:09 PM

No, no, no! You freaking Democrats wanted ObamaCare. Well you got ObamaCare. STFU! And pay up!

GarandFan on December 19, 2013 at 1:16 PM

We’ll pour lemon juice on you, with schadenfreude.

Schadenfreude on December 19, 2013 at 11:25 AM

..and that ain’t no Beluga, eh, bro?

The War Planner on December 19, 2013 at 1:25 PM

This poll was conducted prior to the pajama boy tweet.

blink on December 19, 2013 at 12:33 PM

..which has another 30-35% running for the exits, don’t you know?

The War Planner on December 19, 2013 at 1:26 PM

Those 54% of Democrats (and 68% of Independents) who want Obamacare “delayed” are probably mostly people who still have employer-sponsored health insurance for 2014, but will probably lose their health insurance once the employer mandate begins. If it is “delayed” into 2015, a lot of them are hoping that a Republican Senate can pass a repeal bill.

It’s also interesting that only 10% of the uninsured have gotten insurance according to the CBS/NYT poll. When Obama was trying to sell this rotten turkey, he claimed that it was a national tragedy that 30 million Americans didn’t have health insurance. If this poll applied to ALL uninsured Americans, only 3 million of them would get insurance, while 6 million Americans have already LOST their previous health insurance because of Obamacare, a number that will probably be multiplied 10-fold when the employer mandate applies.

Oh, and 58% of the uninsured never bothered to apply for Obamacare. If 30 million were uninsured, that’s 17.4 million people who have remained uninsured, and don’t care whether they’re insured, but our wonderful Government can soon collect non-insurance penaltaxes from them.

Way to go, Obama! You forced a net 3 million people to lose something they want to force it on 17.6 million people who don’t want it. Heckuva job, Bammy!

Steve Z on December 19, 2013 at 1:36 PM

54% of Democrats want ObamaCare delayed for a year

So, the Law of Unintended Consequences is in favor of the Conservatives for once? Go figure.

socalcon on December 19, 2013 at 1:47 PM

“But what good is it now? There’s no way people who’ve already signed up, especially people with preexisting conditions, are going to have the rug pulled out from under them by some sort of retroactive delay that rescinds their enrollments. “

One cannot use that kind of rational reasoning in their argument. Look at the convoluted gyrations they’re already doing to save this beast:

Guv threatening Insurance Companies to cover gap or else won’t be selected for Exhanges business. That’s bald-faced extortion.

They can certainly engineer some perverse proclamation (i.e. threat) to them to cover the people with preexisting conditions across a yet larger gap.

Tsar of Earth on December 19, 2013 at 2:05 PM

“How would that work?”

And there you go again.

It’ll work. Anything works when you’re King. They can do anything to make anything work when nothing works.

Tsar of Earth on December 19, 2013 at 2:08 PM

Delaying it does nothing.

easyt65 on December 19, 2013 at 11:59 AM

… ‘cept getting Dems re-elected in 2014.

Tsar of Earth on December 19, 2013 at 2:14 PM

Change?

newportmike on December 19, 2013 at 2:39 PM

But it’s a little late for this now, no?

yep, 13 months too late…

RedInMD on December 19, 2013 at 2:49 PM