War on Moms: MSNBC pundits plot to fraudulently claim our Amazon benefits

posted at 10:11 pm on December 18, 2013 by Mary Katharine Ham

First, Matt Yglesias shamelessly wrote a how-to for those looking to defraud a company of the benefits meant for budget-conscious moms:

Amazon has a program called Amazon Mom that’s a pretty neat way to save some money on common household items. But here’s the thing. It turns out you don’t need to be a mom to sign up. You don’t need to be a dad, either. You just need to be a liar. Enrolling in Amazon Mom requires you to offer up some information about your baby, but there’s no verification involved whatsoever. You just type in some made-up stuff and suddenly your fake baby is getting you some sweet discounts.

I, having recently given birth to a real baby after 12 hours of labor, am actually eligible for the 20 percent discount Amazon is offering. Targeting price-conscious moms allows the company to cultivate a long-term relationship with the person in the household most likely to do shopping and plan finances. They can then serve said moms ads and deals pertinent to their purchases, probably earning more business along the way. In my case, they’ll probably send me pictures of tiny, baby boots near my kid’s birthday and, boom, sale made.

An MSNBC panel discussed this nifty plan for saving money by lying. Conclusion: It’s not really lying if you’re lying to a corporation. Click to watch:

barro

Credit where it’s due to Krystal Ball for bringing this to the table, countering the two dudes saying this is “noble” and not “ethically murky”: “I still say even if it is a corporation that you’re lying to, it’s still a lie,” Krystal Ball said.

Our moral and intellectual betters, folks. When the MSNBC crew goes out for fast food, they order water but then fill that little clear cup up with Sprite. There’s something so rankling, not just about the dishonesty, but its pettiness. Josh Barro concedes at least that he wouldn’t scam veterans benefits from companies by saying he’s a veteran, so there’s that.

But whatever happened to owning your privilege, guys? We’re lectured constantly by the Left about how white people, particularly white men, cannot possibly understand all the benefits that accrue to them by virtue of simply being white men in our society. They must therefore contemplate this institutional advantage and repent of it by assuming an ostentatious pose of white guilt, “owning their privilege,” and lecturing others who have not yet recognized and repented of their privilege.

And, yet, here are two affluent white men of the Left, who instead of owning their privilege and contemplating how not to oppress women and minorities by virtue of existing, pose as women to stack our 20-percent discount on top of their white dude privileges. Now, if a bunch of other white men take their advice, defraud Amazon, and Amazon Moms becomes no more, what of the middle-class moms who were using it to help their families?

I feel microaggressed.

Update:

I feel less microaggressed now, but still object to the lying and hope it doesn’t mean the program becomes less helpful to real moms and dads using it.

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No wonder Elizabeth Warren is their hero.

notropis on December 18, 2013 at 10:22 PM

I blame Amazon for not having the foresight to set up a verification system

nonpartisan on December 18, 2013 at 10:24 PM

Funny, I heard a Healthcare Navigator say the same thing. I wonder if they agree.

nogooddeed on December 18, 2013 at 10:25 PM

I, having recently given birth to a real baby after 12 hours of labor

Suck it up. My wife has you beat with 2 of our 3. :-P

Corporal Tunnel on December 18, 2013 at 10:29 PM

Once again, here’s HA keeping us abreast of the goings-on of a network most of us would never watch.

Bitter Clinger on December 18, 2013 at 10:31 PM

No wonder Elizabeth Warren is their hero.

notropis on December 18, 2013 at 10:22 PM

Is she claiming to be part Amazon too?

Flange on December 18, 2013 at 10:32 PM

I blame Amazon for not having the foresight to set up a verification system

nonpartisan on December 18, 2013 at 10:24 PM

Funny how that doesn’t lead to the scamming of taxpayer dollars like ObamaCare’s lack of “foresight to set up a verification system” does.

Bitter Clinger on December 18, 2013 at 10:32 PM

No wonder Elizabeth Warren is their hero.

notropis on December 18, 2013 at 10:22 PM

Is she claiming to be part Amazon too?

Flange on December 18, 2013 at 10:32 PM

Winner.

HiJack on December 18, 2013 at 10:36 PM

My whole take away from this…there’s somebody ACTUALLY named Krystal Ball ?!?

birdhurd on December 18, 2013 at 10:38 PM

Bitter Clinger on December 18, 2013 at 10:32 PM

please keep on topic, this thread is not about healthcare…there are 1000 other threads on healthcare you can post your inane comments on

nonpartisan on December 18, 2013 at 10:38 PM

We’re lectured constantly by the Left about how white people, particularly white men, cannot possibly understand all the benefits that accrue to them by virtue of simply being white men in our society. They must therefore contemplate this institutional advantage and repent of it by assuming an ostentatious pose of white guilt, “owning their privilege,” and lecturing others who have not yet recognized and repented of their privilege.

This is one of the most ill conceived, racist, sexist ideas to come out of the left.

When dealing with a group of people who embrace this… how can we be shocked that they’d lie and cheat to get a 20% discount,pretending to be mothers.

This is merely a facet of the greed endemic in the ‘moocher and looter society’… the LEFT. And don’t fool yourself… they feel entitled to all they can grab…whether they actually need it or not.

These people are mothers alright…but only in the coarsest of gutter-slang terminology.

thatsafactjack on December 18, 2013 at 10:39 PM

Amazon did plan a verification system but for some reason contracted it out the folks who “built” healthcare.gov.

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on December 18, 2013 at 10:39 PM

please keep on topic, this thread is not about healthcare…there are 1000 other threads on healthcare you can post your inane comments on

nonpartisan on December 18, 2013 at 10:38 PM

HotAir’s new moderator? Did I miss the announcement?

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on December 18, 2013 at 10:40 PM

Obama: “Amazon’s recent struggles with their ‘Amazon Mom’ program show us that websites and web pages are often introduced with errors, bugs and other imperfections. It doesn’t matter if only 6 people can sign up, It has always been customary for us consumers to cut them some slack until the problems are solved. If a few people die in the process or can’t get insured after losing their ‘sub-par’ plan, they’re just unlucky and in the vast minority and don’t count. So give it some time and we’ll throw plenty of distractions at you until we secure great communist vict… excuse me, until this is finished. After all, Steve Jobs had some failures before he reached greatness and so will I… I mean, so will America.”

Corporal Tunnel on December 18, 2013 at 10:40 PM

nonpartisan on December 18, 2013 at 10:38 PM

Please stop interrupting the thread to play hall monitor. If HA needs you in that capacity… they’ll hire you.

PS—Go ahead… hold your breath.

thatsafactjack on December 18, 2013 at 10:42 PM

please keep on topic, this thread is not about healthcare…there are 1000 other threads on healthcare you can post your inane comments on

nonpartisan on December 18, 2013 at 10:38 PM

Well you do know….err…. define inane.

Say when will you post something that would convince us that your IQ is > than 77?

CWchangedhisNicagain on December 18, 2013 at 10:42 PM

HotAir’s new moderator? Did I miss the announcement?

Attila (Pillage Idiot) on December 18, 2013 at 10:40 PM

I think you just proved what we all wondered. partisan IS MKH’s sock puppet. She slipped up and posted under partisan rather than her own sign in.

:)

CWchangedhisNicagain on December 18, 2013 at 10:44 PM

please keep on topic, this thread is not about healthcare…there are 1000 other threads on healthcare you can post your inane comments on

nonpartisan on December 18, 2013 at 10:38 PM

Well, Nanny NonP, you brought up the point about a verification system. As if that just came up out of blue and has nothing whatsoever to do with recent news about a certain healthcare system’s lack of creating one.

Bitter Clinger on December 18, 2013 at 10:45 PM

please keep on topic, this thread is not about healthcare…there are 1000 other threads on healthcare you can post your inane comments on

nonpartisan on December 18, 2013 at 10:38 PM

One would think this was the first day on the job for a new hotair employee. I didn’t know Hotair needed a rent-a-cop for their threads. Don’t be so gung-ho, Skippy or I’ll have to call you into the office to have a talk.

Corporal Tunnel on December 18, 2013 at 10:46 PM

Who was it that named nonpartisan non-nonpartisan? So simple but classic.

CWchangedhisNicagain on December 18, 2013 at 10:47 PM

Back to the original post… I wonder if these Comcast employees also endorse stealing cable.

malclave on December 18, 2013 at 10:50 PM

There is a word for lying to obtain financial gain: “Fraud”

myiq2xu on December 18, 2013 at 10:53 PM

nonpartisan

Shut up, Valerie.
Oh, and nice wig.

teacherman on December 18, 2013 at 10:53 PM

Yep just filling me with confidence in all of our safety net programs. /

CWchangedhisNicagain on December 18, 2013 at 10:54 PM

Was amazed with the cavalier way these four were talking about lying. What has become of our nation?

scm on December 18, 2013 at 10:58 PM

Pettiness is indeed what rankles about this unhelpful, cynical “commentary.” The issue is not that Amazon has set up a rewards program that can easily be exploited, but that an idiotic MSNBC hack is there on television telling you how to do it. It’s the very fact that this occurred to him as something necessary to discuss on a 24-hour supposed-news network. Amazon’s offering a benefit to potentially thousands of working moms, and this worthless little punk is telling his audience how to game the system just to give a big F-U to Amazon, because hey, successful corporations suck.

Does this serve the public interest? Does it promote any positive value? Of course not. Matt Yglesias has no positive values to offer. And if Amazon stops the program in a year because people exploit it to the point where it becomes a liability for Amazon, Yglesias will be the first to criticize Amazon for it. Because that’s all he has to offer – negativity and self-satisfaction with his own smugness.

dkmonroe on December 18, 2013 at 11:00 PM

Flange on December 18, 2013 at 10:32 PM

Lol!

notropis on December 18, 2013 at 11:02 PM

you can post your inane comments on

noforeskin on December 18, 2013 at 10:38 PM

…STFU!
GFY!

KOOLAID2 on December 18, 2013 at 11:15 PM

I blame Amazon for not having the foresight to set up a verification system

nonpartisan on December 18, 2013 at 10:24 PM

.
Amazon is a private enterprise (for now), and I won’t lose much sleep over how much damage they do to themselves with bad business decisions.

However, in the public-sector, I’m DEMANDING a system of verification (photo ID) for all persons casting votes for candidates running for public office, on all levels.

listens2glenn on December 18, 2013 at 11:25 PM

However, in the public-sector, I’m DEMANDING a system of verification (photo ID) for all persons casting votes for candidates running for public office, on all levels.

listens2glenn on December 18, 2013 at 11:25 PM

“Don’t change the subject!” it huffed, as it donned its plaid jammies and stirred its hot cocoa.

CurtZHP on December 18, 2013 at 11:31 PM

I blame Amazon for not having the foresight to set up a verification system

nonpartisan, Juris Doctor on December 18, 2013 at 10:24 PM

Just another example of how nonpartisan you are. Only a commie would expect people to abandon all responsibility for their own actions.

please keep on topic, this thread is not about healthcare…there are 1000 other threads on healthcare you can post your inane comments on

nonpartisan, Juris Doctor on December 18, 2013 at 10:38 PM

*snort*

Have you signed up yet? Or are your parents still paying your way?

BTW, who paid for your Harvard Law degree? Have they demanded a refund yet?

NotCoach on December 18, 2013 at 11:42 PM

nonpartisan on December 18, 2013 at 10:38 PM

Listen to him guys, he wrote the book on inane comments.

PackerBronco on December 18, 2013 at 11:47 PM

“Don’t change the subject!” it huffed, as it donned its plaid jammies and stirred its hot cocoa.

CurtZHP on December 18, 2013 at 11:31 PM

Heh!!

Bitter Clinger on December 18, 2013 at 11:50 PM

… I try to be objective with these guys but they really are degenerates.

Karmashock on December 19, 2013 at 12:04 AM

Whats an outrage about? They only give discounts on diapers and wipes, everything else duplicates prime and gets billed as prime account. 15% discount is also for setting up a baby registry. Now if amazon was loosing money on this they would have setup verification, as it is, it is just another of their ways to show how much smarter they are then the architects of O-care, when you visit amazon.com it is very hard not to buy something.

anikol on December 19, 2013 at 12:06 AM

A corporation is just a collection of people. So is Congress. So is your family.

If it’s wrong to lie, it makes no difference who you lie to: wrong is always wrong. Only the criminal and/or social jeopardy varies.

landlines on December 19, 2013 at 12:53 AM

There’s something so rankling, not just about the dishonesty, but its pettiness.

This.

I blame Amazon for not having the foresight to set up a verification system

nonpartisan, Juris Doctor on December 18, 2013 at 10:24 PM

Do you wander into peoples’ homes when their door is unlocked? After all, it’s their fault for not setting up adequate protection.

Seriously, is there anyone on your side of the aisle who isn’t a petty amoral douche?

RINO in Name Only on December 19, 2013 at 1:22 AM

Sure, Josh Barro says he wouldn’t lie about being a vet to scam benefits, but hasn’t he already admitted he is a liar?

Why assume a liar isn’t lying about what he wouldn’t lie about?

Adjoran on December 19, 2013 at 1:33 AM

Sure, Josh Barro says he wouldn’t lie about being a vet to scam benefits, but hasn’t he already admitted he is a liar?

That’s like a guy who won’t cheat on his wife unless she’s out of town.

myiq2xu on December 19, 2013 at 1:37 AM

I don’t know. Toure may be gay enough to birth.

pat on December 19, 2013 at 2:00 AM

Huh. It’s almost like liberals see lying as an acceptable way to get what they want. Who knew?

“If you like your plan, you can keep your plan…”

“It depends upon what the meaning of the word ‘is’ is…”

Safe, legal, rare!

Global warming!Climate change!

The YouTube video caused Benghazi!

It was just a rogue IRS office in Cleveland!

And on…and on…and on…

Of course, it’s always for the good of some larger cause…or it’s only used against people who don’t deserve to be treated honestly anyway…or it’s only because they’re in serious legal trouble and have no choice but to lie…or it’s only because no one tried hard enough to require them to behave honestly/prevent them from lying, so obviously the people they are lying to don’t mind being lied to and/or deserve to be lied to…or it’s just this once when the facts and reality don’t quite line up with what they would prefer…

(Not saying that it isn’t still absolutely infuriating and, occasionally, when a new low like this one is reached, shocking–just that lying has become the norm for the Left.)

butterflies and puppies on December 19, 2013 at 2:23 AM

I blame Amazon for not having the foresight to set up a verification system

nonpartisan on December 18, 2013 at 10:24 PM

I blame these beta males for not having virtue.

But then I return change when cashiers give me too much back on a cash purchase. Why should I take something I’m not entitled to?

Also, I blame you for not having the virtue to get your mind around what lowlifes these beta males are.

BuckeyeSam on December 19, 2013 at 3:48 AM

Encouraging lying to a web-site for unearned discounts? Who would do that [cough]healthcare.org[/cough]?

Dandapani on December 19, 2013 at 6:27 AM

Sure, Josh Barro says he wouldn’t lie about being a vet to scam benefits, but hasn’t he already admitted he is a liar?

Why assume a liar isn’t lying about what he wouldn’t lie about?

Adjoran on December 19, 2013 at 1:33 AM

As my dear departed Father used to say, “Once someone finds out you’ve lied to them, assume every word of yours to them is destined for the wastebasket.”

He was an English Major from Missouri. No one uses “wastebasket” much any more. Such a descriptive word.

socalcon on December 19, 2013 at 6:38 AM

I blame Amazon for not having the foresight to set up a verification system

partisan on December 18, 2013 at 10:24 PM

So you’ve written your representative and Senator about the failure of Obama and the Dems to properly execute and secure Obamacare?
I would love to see those letters.

CWchangedhisNicagain on December 19, 2013 at 6:56 AM

This is why only 5 people watch this channel. Look at the ratings. I can’t see for the life of me how they stay in business. However, when I need a good laugh, I flip to this channel. Mostly to listen to fat head Ed. They are all (like Ann Coulter said), mentally unstable.

tmgrant on December 19, 2013 at 7:09 AM

I blame Amazon for not having the foresight to set up a verification system

nonpartisan on December 18, 2013 at 10:24 PM

You know, this sounds like you have already signed up as an Amazon Mom. Right?

DaveDief on December 19, 2013 at 7:27 AM

These are people who developmentally are still children, trying to defend their lying.

rbj on December 19, 2013 at 7:27 AM

No one watches MSNBC other then some people here apparently. No biggy.

Mr. Arrogant on December 19, 2013 at 8:32 AM

Encouraging lying to a web-site for unearned discounts? Who would do that [cough]healthcare.org[/cough]?

Dandapani on December 19, 2013 at 6:27 AM

I know it’s not the black-letter definition, but isn’t a group of people discussing and encouraging lying to gain economic benefits (not to mention doing it on a nationally televised show) somewhere in the vicinity of conspiracy to commit fraud?

My head hurts just contemplating the complete lack of conscience required to even have that discussion.

AJsDaddie on December 19, 2013 at 8:36 AM

Amazon must know
If someone’s a Mom or not
Based on purchases.

Haiku Guy on December 19, 2013 at 8:46 AM

The liberal song “It’s a noble lie”…

That about covers the actions of the past few years…

right2bright on December 19, 2013 at 8:48 AM

I, having recently given birth to a real baby after 12 hours of labor, am actually eligible for the 20 percent discount Amazon is offering. Targeting price-conscious moms allows the company to cultivate a long-term relationship with the person in the household most likely to do shopping and plan finances.

Why is Amazon hooking new Moms on entitlements?

Where’s my damn ObamaPhone ObamaCare Amazon discount? I’m a special snowflake, too. LOL

Fallon on December 19, 2013 at 8:49 AM

If lying to a big corporation is no big deal then I wonder what these geniuses and moral advocates think about lying to big government? I’m sure they’re all for tax evasion and benefit fraud, right?

smfoushee on December 19, 2013 at 8:59 AM

If liberals stopped lying you couldn’t have a conversation with them. And they are never bothered by lies. If they were how could they ever support Obama? They don’t care if millions lose their health care over lies so why would lying for a 20% discount bother them?

artman1746 on December 19, 2013 at 9:16 AM

The whole Democratic platform is built on lies. Take whatever liberal topic you want
Green energy – lies by “climate scientists”
Healthcare – lie about your income. You can keep your plan…
Minimum wage – lie about how this will spur economy and hiring
Immigration – lie about how much they contribute to society
Every major scandal under Obama was covered up with a lie. A video, Bush’s fault, Cincinnati rogue employees, NSA officials, etc. Until the GOP call out the media, this will never change. People don’t trust their government and the media, so now is the time to pounce.

djaymick on December 19, 2013 at 10:01 AM

Two facts that we all must be aware of:

1. If a liberal speaks, it’s a lie…….

2. Free speech is only for liberals……

ultracon on December 19, 2013 at 10:03 AM

If lying to a big corporation is no big deal then I wonder what these geniuses and moral advocates think about lying to big government? I’m sure they’re all for tax evasion and benefit fraud, right?

smfoushee on December 19, 2013 at 8:59 AM

Only if it is liberal benefiting. If it is anyone who votes conservative, then they must be punished. Just look at how many tax cheats and liars the federal government employs today to see that. Geithner was it? Barney Frank? That woman in California…

astonerii on December 19, 2013 at 10:05 AM

When leftists accuse conservatives of something it is always projection.

jukin3 on December 19, 2013 at 10:33 AM

I blame Amazon for not having the foresight to set up a verification system

nonpartisan on December 18, 2013 at 10:24 PM

Yes, it’s their fault for dressing that way, they were asking for it. On any personal topic, you’d be leading the charge screaming that you can’t blame the victim for the crime. (I may be projecting, perhaps you don’t even have that much honor) But just as with the sad excuses for commentators on MSLSD, you figure if the victim is a greedy corporation, they have it coming, and the lying criminal who takes advantage of them bears no fault whatsoever.

There’s only one sense in which I have no moral difficulty in blaming the victim for taking a beating. Every time you attempt to drive a conversation off-topic with your idiocy, and get taken to the woodshed for your troubles, it is definitely your own fault. Try coming with a real argument now and then, “counselor”.

By the way, I’ve never seen the inside of a college classroom, and I can assure everyone that you were never a law student, at least not one who had a chance of finishing. You do everything in the world to avoid an argument, you employ no valid logic, your commentary is devoid of rhetorical structure. You toss a firecracker against an armored tank of an issue and cheer in victory that someone noticed the tiny “pop” it made. I do a disservice to the word pathetic by attaching it to your drivel.

Freelancer on December 19, 2013 at 12:03 PM

But here’s the thing. It turns out you don’t need to be a mom to sign up. You don’t need to be a dad, either. You just need to be a liar.

Matt Yglesias, future Obamacare Navigator.

29Victor on December 19, 2013 at 12:18 PM

I blame Amazon for not having the foresight to set up a verification system

nonpartisan on December 18, 2013 at 10:24 PM

That being said, if/when they DO set up a e-Verify system, I’m *sure* you’ll be amongst the many that will support prosecuting those for abusing the policy and privileges of shopping at Amazon.

Right?

Or are you one of those whiny OWS smegma mops that just figure everything is due you JUST because you were Mommy & Daddy’s “special angel”…?

BlaxPac on December 19, 2013 at 12:25 PM

Hmmm… They want to enter into a contrct by making false representions.

Commercial fraud, any way you cut it.

Tom C on December 19, 2013 at 12:58 PM

I am still giggle-snorting over your snarky “microagessed” line! One of the many reasons we love you, Hammer!

Anton on December 19, 2013 at 1:50 PM

Do you want to drop your DirecTV subscription? Well then, you have to lie and tell them you’re moving out of the country.

Galtian on December 19, 2013 at 2:23 PM