CBS poll: ObamaCare hurts more than it helps, say insured and uninsured

posted at 12:41 pm on December 18, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

The uninsured continue to be almost as unimpressed by ObamaCare as the insured, according to new results released from the last CBS/New York Times poll. Majorities of both populations oppose the law, and only small minorities think it helps more than it hurts:

Skepticism about the health care law extends to both insured and uninsured Americans, according to a CBS News/New York Times poll. Both groups disapprove of the law overall, and while the uninsured are more positive about the law’s personal impact than those with insurance, more still think the law will hurt rather than help them. CBS News and The New York Times interviewed 702 adults who do not have health insurance for this poll.

Just 15 percent of insured Americans think the health care law will help them personally, but that number rises to 33 percent among the uninsured. Still, more uninsured Americans think the health care law will hurt them (37 percent).  Thirty-two percent of insured Americans say it’ll hurt them.  Overall, 46 percent feel it will have no effect (49 percent of insured Americans, 27 percent of uninsured).

The last figure is especially interesting.  Only a quarter or so of the uninsured believe that the law will have no effect, which makes sense, since it forces them to change status whether they want to do so or not.  But more believe that it will hurt them personally (37%) than have no effect at all, by an outside-the-MOE amount, too. That undercuts the idea that the previously-uninsured will lift Democrats over the objections of the vast majority to the bill, especially when looking at the approval levels of the law in both populations:

As reported in a CBS News/New York Times Poll last week, more Americans continue to disapprove (50 percent) than approve (39 percent) of the 2010 health care law.  The intention of the Affordable Care Act may have been to help those without insurance obtain it, but Americans without health insurance (53 percent) are just as likely as those with insurance (51 percent) to disapprove of the law.  Only 38 percent of uninsured Americans approve of Obamacare; 40 percent of those with insurance approve.

ObamaCare actually performs slightly worse among the uninsured, although that is within the MOE. At least in this poll, there just isn’t much difference at all in the two populations — which is bad news for the White House and Democrats in 2014.

The only way to turn that skepticism around is to restore confidence in the administration’s implementation of ObamaCare.  They tried to do that yesterday by finally hiring someone from the applicable private-sector arena to rescue its failing web portal, Microsoft’s Kurt DelBene. But does plucking someone from Microsoft really instill confidence in the consumers needed to populate the risk pool?  In my column for The Week, I wonder:

DelBene at least has direct industry experience in information services and commercial web systems, unlike his predecessor Jeffrey Zients, a White House economics official whose private-sector experience comes in executive consultancy and venture capitalism. DelBene got public endorsements from his now-former superiors at Microsoft, founder Bill Gates and CEO Steve Ballmer. “Clearly, Kurt’s technical and business skills will be invaluable in his new endeavor,” Ballmer said. Gates concurred by praising his “deep expertise as a manager and engineer” who uses “technology to solve difficult problems at scale.”

However competent DelBene might be, he still faces enormous challenges, both substantive and political. His biggest challenge might be perceptual, though. First, even with his track record at Microsoft, the question of political connections exists. DelBene’s wife Suzan won a seat in Congress last November, and was a featured candidate in the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee’s “Red to Blue” program, targeting competitive districts represented by Republicans. Is DelBene the best quarterback, or merely the best man already on the Democrats’ team? …

DelBene should surely have a better grasp of private sector velocity and effectiveness. But merely recruiting someone who worked in the private sector — or even the tech industry — is not a panacea for ObamaCare’s ills. Even though Microsoft made itself into one of the biggest American success stories of the computer age, the company does not enjoy a sterling reputation with consumers when it comes to operating systems or web applications. Windows 8, the latest OS from Microsoft, got widely panned on its initial rollout, necessitating an accelerated upgrade to fix problems that should have been caught before release — which sounds uncomfortably familiar in this context. (Full disclosure: I got the “blue screen of death” on a week-old Windows 8 ultrabook and lost all my data just three weeks ago.) Competitors such as Google Chrome and Firefox have long eclipsed its browser, Internet Explorer.

FrontPage Mag’s Daniel Greenfield also hits on DelBene’s political connections appearing at least as important as his technical expertise:

But let’s have a little more context.

DelBene’s appointment was also announced by Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius in a blog posting. He starts his new job with the Obama administration later this week, a spokesman for Rep. Suzan DelBene’s office said. DelBene’s retirement as head of Microsoft’s Office division was announced in July as part of a reorganization at the software giant.

A Microsoft spokesman said DelBene’s last day at the company was Monday.

That sounds like Kurt DelBene was pushed out by Microsoft’s reorganization and his wife got him a nice new job. …

Kurt DelBene is also on the Board of Trustees of the University of Chicago, so Obama Inc. is still keeping it in the family. And how did his wife get elected? Money. She spent millions on the races, self-financing her campaign. And now her hubby gets a post-retirement government job.

Isn’t liberalism wonderful?

This administration is creating a lot more skepticism about that question every day.

Meanwhile, here’s one last data point (for this post, anyway) about competency. Even private exchanges can’t access ObamaCare data yet:

Private health insurance exchanges still are not able to directly enroll consumers in subsidized health plans offered through Obamacare even though the government has said problems doing so should have been cleared up weeks ago.

Executives from three online health exchanges that contract with both insurance companies and government agencies to enroll consumers eligible for federal subsidies in marketplace plans say the process still isn’t ready to go and that more work remains.

This despite several promises from government officials that technical fixes have been made to allow for business to be conducted on those sites, which are alternatives to the troubled HealthCare.gov website and health exchanges sites run by states.

The direct enrollment process designed by the Department of Health and Human Services would allow private marketplaces to direct consumers to a federal data hub to confirm their eligibility for government assistance, and then allow them to return to the third-party sites to enroll.


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Let’s wait until February or so, when the newly enrolled Medicaid beneficiaries need a doctor and can’t get an appointment until November; and the subsidized Bronze enrollees go to the hospital for their surgeries and are told it will be $12,000 up front to cover their deductible.

Disapproval should be quite a bit higher methinks.

NOMOBO on December 18, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Yeah for Clippy.

He’s more popular than obama!

Schadenfreude on December 18, 2013 at 12:46 PM

In 2014 the dead and their families will be on TV.

All will be caused by obama and those who voted for obama’care’.

Never forget!

Schadenfreude on December 18, 2013 at 12:47 PM

Greta had an interesting interview with the far-too-celebrated Millenials. Granted these were individuals who were more politically aware than their peers who think Jon Stewart hosts a news program but at least one of them was insulted by the gimmicks being used to lure young people into signing up for Obamacare.

Apparently Brosurance, a rapping Obama lookalike, or promises that Obamacare would help you get a man in bed don’t make incite the urge to spend thousands more on health insurance.

Happy Nomad on December 18, 2013 at 12:48 PM

“But all is good. I have to pay $12,000 for my cancer surgery, but I can get my vasectomy for free!”

–Obamabot Bronze Plan Enrollee

NOMOBO on December 18, 2013 at 12:52 PM

When people realize that signing up for Obamacare is like signing up for Medicaid as far as doctors & quality, are they going to care?

When people realize that over time virtually everybody is going to be forced or herded like cattle into the substandard Obamacare exchanges, are the going to care? When the more affluent Obama supporters realize that even those that can afford “concierge” services are going to see the quality of care drop and innovation stagnate, are they going to care?

Probably not. Because it’s all to “help the poor.” … Not. Free market reforms and targeted assistance would have been 20 times better than the Obamacare train wreck.

anotherJoe on December 18, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Yeah for Clippy.

He’s more popular than obama!

Schadenfreude on December 18, 2013 at 12:46 PM

Sounds like a game.

Who’s more popular……

Obama or an STD?

Obama or Stalin?

Obama or a root canal?

etc. etc. etc.

Happy Nomad on December 18, 2013 at 12:53 PM

anotherJoe on December 18, 2013 at 12:52 PM

No, Joe. They are going to care when they can’t find that specialist to care for their child, and when they do they find out that the kid’s surgery will cost them $12,000 up front.

NOMOBO on December 18, 2013 at 12:55 PM

Obama and Obamacare have entered into a level of incompetence and prevarication that approaches danger. Much of the matter is collapsing America from within. But some of the incompetence and prevarication has international implications. Obama has the credibility of Chavez or Maduro with our allies and enemies alike. His economic acumen approaches that of Cristina Fernandez on the world stage. His military ability equal to Qaddafi.

pat on December 18, 2013 at 12:56 PM

“My life is ruined, but I still believe in him and in the idea. Give us hell, Obama!”

/The O Cult

mankai on December 18, 2013 at 12:56 PM

If a foreign enemy did this to the U.S. healthcare system (or for that matter to any other system in this country of such massive personal and economic importance), it would probably justify going to war.
But Obama and his evil minions in Congress are basically given a pass, other than an anticipated negative outcome in the coming elections. And, if recent history is any guide, they will even escape punishment then, due to a massive propaganda effort by the corrupt media and outright voter fraud.

The country is doomed.

justltl on December 18, 2013 at 12:57 PM

In 2014 the dead and their families will be on TV.
All will be caused by obama and those who voted for obama’care’.
Never forget!
Schadenfreude on December 18, 2013 at 12:47 PM

But…but…but…Bush’s fault!

ProfShadow on December 18, 2013 at 12:58 PM

“Give us hell, Obama!”

mankai coins the new OFA slogan

DanMan on December 18, 2013 at 1:01 PM

Clippy for Prez’dunt!

MisterElephant on December 18, 2013 at 1:03 PM

What’s not to like? If you’re uninsured, you can get on the expanded medicaid and give all of your assets to the government. Somehow the Democrats figured out a way to bilk the poor to pay for goodies for the middle class. Amazing.

besser tot als rot on December 18, 2013 at 1:03 PM

The country is doomed.

justltl on December 18, 2013 at 12:57 PM

The liberal part of the country is doomed.

I will not bow down to the socialist masterbaters.

redguy on December 18, 2013 at 1:04 PM

Nothing to see here

Not one time did I hear about his wife on the lsm…..did anyone else hear it?

cmsinaz on December 18, 2013 at 1:06 PM

I can’t wait to sign up for my obamacare plan

http://cdn.frontpagemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/cuba-hospital.jpg

don’t worry kids … cause like in all dictatorships the big wig muckety mucks in gubRmint and their pals don’t get the same treatment…. so everything can continue to run smoothly

roflmmfao

donabernathy on December 18, 2013 at 1:09 PM

ObamaCare: Giving a whole new meaning to the “Blue Screen of Death”

PackerBronco on December 18, 2013 at 1:09 PM

They don’t care. People will complain and the donks will just yell it’s great!

Blake on December 18, 2013 at 1:10 PM

The ad every D should fear.

There is one for every D who voted for obama.

Schadenfreude on December 18, 2013 at 1:11 PM

They don’t care. People will complain and the donks will just yell it’s great!

Blake on December 18, 2013 at 1:10 PM

Just yell it’s great?

No my friend, the donks will also make it clear that criticism is one or more of the following:

Racist.
Intolerant.
Harmful to women, children, minorities.
Unfeeling.

Happy Nomad on December 18, 2013 at 1:13 PM

CBS poll: ObamaCare hurts more than it helps, say insured and uninsured

…H E L L O ! ! ! ! !

KOOLAID2 on December 18, 2013 at 1:14 PM

DWS is still probably touting that the Democrats are going to run on Obamacare in 2014…

This administration is creating a lot more skepticism about that question every day.

Really? Granted that should be the case, but with the connivance of the sycophants in the lapdog media, how often is the nepotism, corruption, hypocrisy, mendacity, and politically motivated decisions and actions of this Administration really highlighted and exposed?

Even the blatant crony capitalism of the green energy initiatives, wasting billions of taxpayer dollars, had little real coverage outside talk radio or the right side of the blogosphere. Who is still talking about how many of the leading ‘consulting firms’ who are behind the EpicClusterFark got their no-bid contracts or the connections they have to key people like the FLOTUS or the vacuous cipher?

All this does is continue to demonstrate the Administration’s collective contempt towards the American people, whom they believe are stupid, ignorant, and apathetic. You know, products of the liberal education agenda.

Athos on December 18, 2013 at 1:17 PM

Yeah for Clippy.

He’s more popular than obama!

Schadenfreude on December 18, 2013 at 12:46 PM

Judging from PC sales, he’s also more popular than Windows 8.

Stoic Patriot on December 18, 2013 at 1:19 PM

And the fact that the American public doesn’t get just how stupid they are makes Obama madder than anybody.

Happy Nomad on December 18, 2013 at 1:20 PM

That sounds like Kurt DelBene was pushed out by Microsoft’s reorganization and his wife got him a nice new job. …

That is exactly what happened. And I know from where I speak.

ihasurnominashun on December 18, 2013 at 1:22 PM

To get to and from their workplaces, media propagandists and Democrat politicians should be having to fight their way through massive gatherings of angry Americans. And there should be a massive tax rebellion.

Maybe that will happen when more and more people feel the brunt of this epic clusterfark, but I doubt it.

justltl on December 18, 2013 at 1:24 PM

They don’t care. People will complain and the donks will just yell it’s great!

Blake on December 18, 2013 at 1:10 PM

Pretty much. Realistically, no matter how bad it gets, neither the Democrats or Republicans will repeal it. Both would rather sit back and watch the system collapse.

Doomberg on December 18, 2013 at 1:26 PM

What would it take to finally mobilize Americans into action?
Unfortunately it would require an honest Media.
Therein lies the rub.

justltl on December 18, 2013 at 1:27 PM

What’s HA Hot: pic of Clippy! (ObamaCare’s new mascot.)

What’s HA Not: pic of cute girl with the really big eyeballs :(

Tsar of Earth on December 18, 2013 at 1:28 PM

Poor Clippy!! I bet he wishes he could disappear like the healthcare.gov website girl….

Even Clippy didn’t suck as much as that website does…..

powerpickle on December 18, 2013 at 1:30 PM

OT: Clippy just filed a lawsuit along with the healthcare.gov girl to cease and desist using their images for anything related to obamacare.

HumpBot Salvation on December 18, 2013 at 1:33 PM

You wanna’ know what sucks? What really sucks?

Ok.

I was so looking forward to the sheer shadenstuff this Christmas when I will see the two fam libs. The same two that I cautioned years ago: “If you want to see a disaster, wait till you see government manage healthcare.”

Here’s the sucky part (thanks for waiting): Both of them are guv employees. (Coincidence? I don’t think so.) They will be, by some slight-of-hand or other, effectively unharmed by this train wreck.

Any suggestions? (Really was jonesing for that shadenstuff. All I’m gettin’ is coal, man.)

Tsar of Earth on December 18, 2013 at 1:42 PM

You wanna’ know what sucks? What really sucks?

Tsar of Earth on December 18, 2013 at 1:42 PM

Embrace the suck.

And do what we’ve done for several years now- don’t talk politics with your idiot family members. I nearly came to blows with one when they announced that since Obama won I had no right to be critical of anything he was doing- as if the will of a Kenyan socialist was just the same as defying the will of God.

Happy Nomad on December 18, 2013 at 1:57 PM

Baucus calls it a train wreck one day and tells us it’s gonna be great the next. He voted for the UN anti-gun treaty on Aug 5th, too. Tester either voted against it or failed to vote since he needs all the cover he can get.

Kissmygrits on December 18, 2013 at 2:05 PM

It seems that a few at HotAir have started writing in a more all encompassing manner. It is getting harder for us know-it-alls to come up with a new slant on any old subjects. So I have come up with a new game to play it’s called “CARE CARE WHOSE GOT THE HEALTH CARE and WHY”.
Keep in mind that I find humor in trying to guess why a “5 topping pizza” costs more then a pizza with five topping or why Pizza Huts stated beer policy was “We will not serve beer unless you are over 21 or noticeably inebriated” Two separate thought put together in a single run on sentence. My all time favorite in Salisbury Md was the Dental Offices of “Reddish, Gray and Gore”.

One would think that within certain ranges that all these policies should be some what similar across state lines.

Take my son, a 30year old makes $19,500/year. Looked at Delaware, where we live, Virgina where we had lived and Florida where we could live.

Florida had no less then 134 different variations of policies to choose from. That makes it simple?

Delaware:
Top policy cost $2,376/year with typical annual cost of $2,676/year.
Bottom policy cost $ 516/year with typical annual cost of $6,816/year.

This looks to me that the bottom policy is about 2.5 times more expensive then the top policy?

Virgina: Only 60 miles away.
Top policy cost $20,928/year with typical annual cost of $26,928/year.
Bottom policy cost $ 240/year with typical annual cost of $ 1,240/year.

This looks to me like the TOP policy is about 21.7 times more expensive then the bottom policy. Also the cost of the insurance is 1.3 times greater then the Gross annual income.

Who dreams these things up? Our TOP, TOP AND I MEAN TOP PEOPLE.

jpcpt03 on December 18, 2013 at 3:06 PM

Cool – they have one for every traitor.

Schadenfreude on December 18, 2013 at 3:18 PM

What’s HA Not: pic of cute girl with the really big eyeballs :(

Tsar of Earth on December 18, 2013 at 1:28 PM

Is that what you call them?
*ducks and runs*

lfwest on December 18, 2013 at 3:29 PM

It is all Bush and the right wing Tea Party’s fault.

If you rightwingers would just give up you hate and embrace Obamacare and love Obama we all could live in Utopia.

Gunlock Bill on December 18, 2013 at 4:00 PM