Sebelius: Hey, some of you may pay more for insurance

posted at 10:06 am on December 17, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Is this backtracking, or just a little CYA via weasel-word play? Daniel Halper writes that Kathleen Sebelius “admitted” that people will pay more for their health insurance under ObamaCare, and Bay 9 News leads the story the same way while covering the HHS Secretary’s meeting with Miami residents.  But even now, when the skyrocketing prices are obvious (and the large deductibles only somewhat less so), Sebelius is still hedging that bet with conditionals, while promising that the premium hikes signify that the plans will be totally awesome in comparison to what they had before:

“More back tracking now from the Obama administration admitting that some Americans will pay more for health insurance under the Affordable Care Act,” said the Florida news anchor. “During a visit to during a visit to Miami, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius stopped at a local library to talk to local residents about enrolling on the health insurance website. She also acknowledged that some people will pay higher premiums under Obamacare.”

Said Sebelius, “There are some individuals who may be looking at increases. I think you cannot make a statement based on cost unless you compare what they had to what they’re going into.”

That’s more or less been the public line since HHS released the exchange rates, hasn’t it?  They’re forcing the insurers to stop offering those supposedly substandard plans that produced 87% satisfaction among the 85% of insured Americans four years ago with awesomely awesome plans that produce 100% satisfaction among the elites who removed those choices from Americans. That’s exactly what Sebelius is saying here, proles. Where’s the gratitude?


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“Rep. Donna Edwards (D-Md.) and seven other Democrats have proposed legislation that would eliminate the possibility of imposing the death penalty for a range of federal offenses, including several categories of murder and crimes against the government like treason and espionage.”

If passed, Democrats can let their hair down a little and be themselves, especially at HHS.

Akzed on December 17, 2013 at 10:07 AM

If this had been the private sector, Dear Liar would be going to jail for consumer fraud.

rbj on December 17, 2013 at 10:11 AM

She has told so many lies and changed the story so many times that I don’t think that she even knows what the truth is. She will be thrown under the bus, Obama is just waiting for when he is attacked so bad that he needs a major diversion.

DAT60A3 on December 17, 2013 at 10:11 AM

This hag belongs in an orange jumpsuit.

CurtZHP on December 17, 2013 at 10:12 AM

This hag belongs in an orange jumpsuit.

CurtZHP on December 17, 2013 at 10:12 AM

I agree. Orange jumpsuits for everybody!

TarheelBen on December 17, 2013 at 10:14 AM

does anybody have a number of those who will pay less for their insurance? I’m thinking of those that were already paying for insurance none of them will see a reduction of any kind.

Can’t keep your policy.
Can’t keep your doctor.
Pay more.

DanMan on December 17, 2013 at 10:15 AM

“There are some individuals who may be looking at increases. I think you cannot make a statement based on cost unless you compare what they had to what they’re going into.”

Forcing a 60-year-old male to pay more for insurance so that some slut like Sandra Fluke doesn’t have to pay for birth control is not a bargain for the 60-year-old.

Happy Nomad on December 17, 2013 at 10:18 AM

“Rep. Donna Edwards (D-Md.) and seven other Democrats have proposed legislation that would eliminate the possibility of imposing the death penalty for a range of federal offenses, including several categories of murder and crimes against the government like treason and espionage.”

If passed, Democrats can let their hair down a little and be themselves, especially at HHS.

Akzed on December 17, 2013 at 10:07 AM

Rep. Donna Edwards is working to head-off what’s ahead for many Democrats…for “crimes against the government like treason and espionage.”

“…crimes against the government” mean crimes against all and each of us as citizens. One doesn’t have to look too far today to identify such crimes by Obama’s Crew, particularly.

Lourdes on December 17, 2013 at 10:18 AM

Goebbels has been quite clear since the beginning, everyone is being sent to work camps in the east, the talk of mass graves and death pits is pure hyperbole.

Bishop on December 17, 2013 at 10:20 AM

does anybody have a number of those who will pay less for their insurance? I’m thinking of those that were already paying for insurance none of them will see a reduction of any kind.

DanMan on December 17, 2013 at 10:15 AM

The only people that benefit from Obamacare are the parasites who get “subsidies” which are really nothing more than a wealth redistribution mechanism that forces somebody else pay for for the parasites. The productive get screwed in every aspect of Obamacare.

Happy Nomad on December 17, 2013 at 10:20 AM

Tweet with interesting graphic:

by…

Dr. Gene Lingerfelt ‏@GeneLingerfelt

State-By-State chart on health insurance increases due to OCare.

Lourdes on December 17, 2013 at 10:20 AM

They had to pass the bill for low-info voters to find out what was in it was higher premium payments.

jon1979 on December 17, 2013 at 10:21 AM

Goebbels has been quite clear since the beginning, everyone is being sent to work camps in the east, the talk of mass graves and death pits is pure hyperbole.

Bishop on December 17, 2013 at 10:20 AM

Heh. Few believe until they’re knocking at their doors…

Lourdes on December 17, 2013 at 10:22 AM

What ever happened to that new legislation that one can keep their old insurance planh?

Where are the class-action lawsuits?

albill on December 17, 2013 at 10:29 AM

Kinda surprised Hotgas hasn’t covered this yet…

“A group of Catholic health and educational organizations don’t have to comply with a federal Affordable Care Act requirement to provide their employees with contraception coverage, a federal judge in New York ruled.

U.S. District Judge Brian Cogan in Brooklyn today barred the government from enforcing the mandate against Catholic Health Care System, Catholic Health Services of Long Island, Cardinal Spellman High School and Monsignor Farrell High School.

The Roman Catholic Archdiocese of New York and the health and educational groups challenged the mandate on religious freedom grounds. After the U.S. issued a rule exempting the archdiocese, schools and health-care affiliates were still subject to the law, which takes effect Jan. 1.

The groups “have demonstrated that the mandate, despite accommodation, compels them to perform acts that are contrary to their religion,” Cogan wrote. “And there can be no doubt that the coercive pressure here is substantial.”

Groups that don’t comply with the mandate are subject to fines of $100 a day per affected beneficiary, Cogan said.

Catholic Health Services of Long Island, the largest of the groups, oversees six hospitals, three nursing homes and a hospice service and has a health plan covering almost 25,000 people.

The case is Roman Catholic Archdiocese of New York v. Sebelius, 12-cv-2542, U.S. District Court, Eastern District of New York (Brooklyn)….”

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2013-12-16/n-dot-y-dot-catholics-groups-win-court-bar-to-contraception-mandate-1

workingclass artist on December 17, 2013 at 10:30 AM

2009: Free health care, hooray!

2013: uh…

Bat Chain Puller on December 17, 2013 at 10:31 AM

Lourdes on December 17, 2013 at 10:18 AM

‘This is beyond the pale of anything you can imagine’

Akzed on December 17, 2013 at 10:31 AM

She has told so many lies and changed the story so many times that I don’t think that she even knows what the truth is. She will be thrown under the bus, Obama is just waiting for when he is attacked so bad that he needs a major diversion.

DAT60A3 on December 17, 2013 at 10:11 AM

She’s not lying. Some people will pay more for insurance. Some will not be able to afford insurance so they won’t be paying more. And there are those who will die…they certainly won’t be paying more for insurance. See how that works?

The real problem here is what you are actually getting with that insurance premium. I have an HMO ($460/month my portion) through my employer. I was bitten by a rattlesnake a few years ago (don’t ask) The hospital stay of 15 hours, including antivenom and cardiac ICU came to approximately $35k. I paid $100 total.

I’ve done some calculations and I figure with a premium of $1200 per month, a $7500 deductible and the percentage I’m still responsible for after deductible…. I would have paid $32900 that year instead of the $5620.

Obama is Awesome!!!

Ditkaca on December 17, 2013 at 10:32 AM

Dear Secretary Sebelius: Some of the Cabinet secretaries may be looking at salary decreases in 2014…

Steve Z on December 17, 2013 at 10:39 AM

2009: Free health care, hooray!

2013: uh…

Bat Chain Puller on December 17, 2013 at 10:31 AM

2014: Why does the government own Mom’s house?

workingclass artist on December 17, 2013 at 10:41 AM

Does anyone here really think that the Republicans are going to come to power and fix this? Does anyone here really think that if the Republicans came to power they wold relinquish one iota of Federal power? Do any of you really believe Ted Cruz in gleaming armor is coming in on a white charger to slay the Liberal dragon?

Reform ain’t coming by the arms of democracy.

It’ll only come by use of arms.

M240H on December 17, 2013 at 10:42 AM

OT:

“During a visit to during a visit to

I looked at the Weekly Standard link, and I listened to the video. Can’t someone at Hot Air cut and past correctly?

BuckeyeSam on December 17, 2013 at 10:45 AM

All the talk about “substandard” and “junk” policies is BS. The insurance sector is one of the most regulated industries in the nation. State Insurance Commissions have been regulating the companies for decades. These so-called “substandard” and “junk
policies have all been approved by their respective State Insurance Commissions. Who the he!! does the federal government think it is that they know more than those actually regulating the insurance companies?

The talk about “substandard” and “junk” policies is simply a diversion. Consumers are seeing premiums, deductables, and co-pays go up, so the regime is trying to convince them that their old policies were deficient. Doesn’t matter than many don’t need maternity care or some of the other wonderful features of the more expensive plans. The all knowing, all powerful federal government knows what’s best for you./

GAlpha10 on December 17, 2013 at 10:48 AM

Rep. Louis Gohmert gets it…

“Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), an Obamacare critic, has signed up for health insurance on the District of Columbia exchange, and he’s accepted a $10,000 taxpayer subsidy to defray the cost of his family’s health insurance.

“It’s an employer contribution,” Rubio was quoted as saying on Monday. “It’s available to every employee of the federal government.”

But as CNSNews.com has reported, some members of Congress are refusing the subsidy, saying it’s not right for them to get a perk that is unavailable to many Americans in the private sector.

Under a deal arranged by the federal Office of Personnel Management in August, members of Congress — who earn at least $174,000 — will be able to keep the approximate $10,000 subsidy that they received under their previous federal health care plan. But the same deal is not available to Americans in the private sector.

For example, Americans in the private sector who buy health insurance through the Obamacare exchanges get a federal subsidy (a tax credit) only if their income/family size puts them below 400% of the poverty threshold, or $94,200 for a family of four. If they surpass that 400% level, they do not get a subsidy.

Asked why he didn’t follow the lead of others who voluntarily gave up the perk, Rubio said: “Well, again, I’m going to comply with the laws the way they’re written right now. If they’re prepared to change the law for everyone, I’ll vote for that.”

In accepting the subsidy, Rubio joins Rep. Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.), who told CNSNews.com there’s “no question” that members of Congress are entitled to taxpayer help in purchasing their health insurance. Rangel said he considers the subsidies to be part of Congress’ “overall compensation.”

Rep. Joe Barton (R-Texas) recently told C-SPAN’s “Washington Journal” that as a member of Congress, he’ll be forced to get his own insurance through the Obamacare exchanges, and he thinks taxpayers should continue helping him pay his premiums.”

Those rejecting the taxpayer subsidy include Rep. Louis Gohmert: “It’s not right,” Gohmert told CNSNews.com. “I appreciated getting the subsidy as every other federal employee, but when America has had their insurances ripped away from them, when they have had their employer contribution ripped away, I can’t take a subsidy under those circumstances.”

Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) said he will sign up for Obamacare through the exchange in Ohio, where he will not be eligible for a subsidy. “Each member can make their own decision on this, but I don’t think it’s appropriate to take the employer subsidies, so I’m just going to opt out — not opt out, but I’m going to do it back in Ohio versus going through the D.C. shop and then having to write a check back to the Treasury each month.”

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), in a message on his website, said he also will enroll in his state exchange and forego the taxpayer-funded subsidy: “I don’t think Members of Congress should get a special deal,” said Graham. “Obamacare is being pushed on the American people and we should live under it just like everyone else.”

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/yes-please-sen-marco-rubio-accepts-taxpayer-funded-obamacare-subsidy

workingclass artist on December 17, 2013 at 10:48 AM

does anybody have a number of those who will pay less for their insurance?

Come on…you know damn well that if there was even ONE soul in existence that has actually had their insurance rates decline by any friggin amount, the WH would be showing that guy off like a rock star. Just one, mind you….

Renee on December 17, 2013 at 11:02 AM

Ditkaca on December 17, 2013 at 10:32 AM

That’s a good drill Ditkaca, everyone should do it if they can. I worked the numbers on my wifes knee replacement last year, My out of pocket would have been about 3X under next years plan. Serious money. Alas, few will make the calculations (although at this point not much can be done about it anyway). I fully expect genuine outrage by early next year, as people are faced with the true costs, not just the premiums. Even those with subsidized premiums that actually NEED healthcare will start getting the bills. That “bronze” plan? almost pure cost if you take away a “Checkup”, in fact even if you toss in “Free” contraceptives.

JusDreamin on December 17, 2013 at 11:08 AM

Lourdes on December 17, 2013 at 10:18 AM

‘This is beyond the pale of anything you can imagine

Akzed on December 17, 2013 at 10:31 AM

This is a case of few being able to handle the truth. Even IF it ever comes forth, few will tolerate it or be able “to handle it” without denouncing every source involved with sputtering insults.

I’m not going to be surprised if the worst is uncovered. I rather expect at this point that the worst has been done against this nation already.

Lourdes on December 17, 2013 at 11:12 AM

We are witnessing the ‘Enronization’ of the US Healthcare industry…a massive fraud being perpetrated on the American people by Barack Obama, Kathleen Sebelius, and the other progressive-fascists who rammed this seizure of 1/6th of the national economy through in the name of power, control, and wealth redistribution.

The lies aren’t stopping, in fact, as the Administration grows more desperate, they are increasing in mendacity and frequency. Each day, this Administration clearly demonstrates their contempt towards the American people – a people whom they know are too ‘effin’ stupid to make up their own minds or make proper decisions.

Athos on December 17, 2013 at 11:16 AM

“Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), an Obamacare critic, has signed up for health insurance on the District of Columbia exchange, and he’s accepted a $10,000 taxpayer subsidy to defray the cost of his family’s health insurance.

“It’s an employer contribution,” Rubio was quoted as saying on Monday. “It’s available to every employee of the federal government.”

(…)

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/yes-please-sen-marco-rubio-accepts-taxpayer-funded-obamacare-subsidy

workingclass artist on December 17, 2013 at 10:48 AM

Rubio’s a loser. So is anyone in govt. who uses “subsidies” to pad their happiness.

Thus is explained my earlier question as to why the GOP is not lambasting the issue of “subsidies” which are no more than the forced use of other people’s money to pay for someone else’s wants.

“Subsidy” is welfare. There’s no difference in receiving a welfare check from receiving an Obamacare “subsidy” to pay your expenses.

Rubio’s a failure at anything “Conservative.”

Lourdes on December 17, 2013 at 11:17 AM

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), in a message on his website, said he also will enroll in his state exchange and forego the taxpayer-funded subsidy: “I don’t think Members of Congress should get a special deal,” said Graham. “Obamacare is being pushed on the American people and we should live under it just like everyone else.”

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/yes-please-sen-marco-rubio-accepts-taxpayer-funded-obamacare-subsidy

workingclass artist on December 17, 2013 at 10:48 AM

Lindsey Graham is finally right about SOMEthing.

Lourdes on December 17, 2013 at 11:18 AM

…The talk about “substandard” and “junk” policies is simply a diversion…

GAlpha10 on December 17, 2013 at 10:48 AM

I heard a hapless Liberal the other day refer to these policies as “skeletal policies.”

Skeletons. Bones and nothing more. Residue of someone/something once living. Skeletal.

The Left continues to fulfill it’s role of Most Ghoulish among us.

Lourdes on December 17, 2013 at 11:20 AM

Come on…you know damn well that if there was even ONE soul in existence that has actually had their insurance rates decline by any friggin amount, the WH would be showing that guy off like a rock star. Just one, mind you….

Renee on December 17, 2013 at 11:02 AM

I’m not so sure about that Renee, consider this: Every time they parade around a “winner”, it will just infuriate those of us paying more. I’m not so sure that bringing attention to costs would be a good strategy for the liars.

JusDreamin on December 17, 2013 at 11:27 AM

This administration doesn’t give a rat’s backside about the people. It’s only concern is stealing enough money from them to pay for all of Obama’s parasitic constituents. Thank you enlightened voters your really stuck it to us this time.

rplat on December 17, 2013 at 11:32 AM

I rather expect at this point that the worst has been done against this nation already.

Lourdes on December 17, 2013 at 11:12 AM

Oh no it hasn’t, not yet. More to come I’m sure. This regime is lawless they will not relinquish their power easily. Bad times are coming with worse to follow.

Oldnuke on December 17, 2013 at 11:53 AM

The Queen of Death really needs to work on her public prevarications…

Thanks 52%, for foisting this fiasco on the rest of us…

Khun Joe on December 17, 2013 at 11:55 AM

I’m thinking that paying the penalty and either finding other non-compliant insurance coverage or self-insuring is the way to go. I am not going to sign up for this crap. If I’ve got to pay more, I’ll pay more without going through the government. Why on earth would I walk into a trap to give up personal info to these bozos?

COgirl on December 17, 2013 at 12:15 PM

Try “Everyone not on Medicare or Medicaid, or getting a subsidy, is going to have to pay (themselves or their employer) a whole lot more for Obamacare with the same deductibles and co-pays. Or suffer a lot higher co-pays and deductibles.”

jhnone on December 17, 2013 at 12:17 PM

does anybody have a number of those who will pay less for their insurance? I’m thinking of those that were already paying for insurance none of them will see a reduction of any kind.

DanMan on December 17, 2013 at 10:15 AM

In the analyses that Avik Roy has been doing for Forbes, it was predicted that a few states that already had a highly-regulated insurance market would see a decline in rates.
I haven’t seen anything lately about all these “winners” though.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/09/04/interactive-map-in-13-states-plus-d-c-individual-health-premiums-will-increase-by-an-average-of-24/

lynncgb on December 17, 2013 at 12:27 PM

Some” is such a flexible word, isn’t it???

If bad for Democrat we use “Some”….even if ‘some’ = 75%.

If bad for GOP we use “Many”….even if ‘many’ = a tweet from Joan Walsh.

BigWyo on December 17, 2013 at 12:52 PM

If this had been the private sector, Dear Liar would be going to jail for consumer fraud.

rbj on December 17, 2013 at 10:11 AM

I’d be ready to wager that at some point the Dear Liar will be doing some time in the pokey – for what charge I don’t know, but the trends are indicating that way:

Obama Wishes Washington Really Was Like ‘House of Cards’
http://swampland.time.com/2013/12/17/obama-wishes-washington-was-really-like-house-of-cards/

“I wish things were that ruthlessly efficient,” Obama said in his first public remarks on the show.

Galt2009 on December 17, 2013 at 1:16 PM

Cheaper health care

Having a simple catastrophic plan the president doesn’t like

Pay more, suckers!

Good Lt on December 17, 2013 at 1:23 PM

I think a see a new narrative here, with Sebelius and some other administration hack I saw yesterday:

They are staying *some* will pay more, and *some* are losing access to doctors, etc, but *most* people are really happy with the exchanges and Obamacare.

I think the administration wants people to believe that if they feel like they’ve gotten a bad deal, that they are in the minority. Of course, its nothing like – the average person is paying more for less – less access and less control.

LilyBart on December 17, 2013 at 2:19 PM


Obama Wishes Washington Really Was Like ‘House of Cards’

Who has time to watch TV? Nobody I know. We’re too busy earning the money that Washington has already spent.

LilyBart on December 17, 2013 at 2:21 PM

2009: Free health care, hooray!

2013: uh…

Bat Chain Puller on December 17, 2013 at 10:31 AM

2014: Why does the government own Mom’s house?

workingclass artist on December 17, 2013 at 10:41 AM

Don’t know if you’ve seen this…

Expanded Medicaid’s fine print holds surprise: ‘payback’ from estate after death

dominigan on December 17, 2013 at 2:36 PM

Just re-re-re-re-re-re-repeating, for the sake of redundancy:
.

“Charges of false advertisement don’t apply to government”

listens2glenn on December 17, 2013 at 7:45 PM