McCain: Republicans who vote against this budget deal without proposing their own plan lack some intellectual integrity

posted at 4:41 pm on December 17, 2013 by Allahpundit

Via Charlie Spiering, for once Maverick really is engaged in some straight talk. He’s not voting for the Boehner/Ryan bill because it’s a good deal, he says, he’s voting for it because his top priority here is to avert another shutdown. Simple as that. (Well, almost: He also wants to roll back sequestration cuts to defense spending, naturally.) That’s why the House GOP passed it too, notwithstanding Paul Ryan’s frequently painful attempts to frame the deal as some sort of win for smaller government. Republicans in leadership are terrified that Cruz or Paul will build a grassroots groundswell for another shutdown before the midterms so they decided to take that weapon out of their hands. McCain’s whole shpiel here, in fact, is basically an accusation that the “defund” faction led the party into a standoff which it had no plan for resolving. No more dead ends, says Maverick.

Or are there?

Senate Republicans Tuesday said they are ready to go to battle over raising the debt limit early next year, echoing comments made by Rep. Paul Ryan over the weekend that the GOP would rally for certain concessions from Democrats at that point…

“We have got to rein in our out of control spending … we’ve also got to provide real relief to the millions of people hurting because of Obamacare. I think that needs to be the focus,” Cruz said. “I am hopeful that we will use every leverage point available to try and turn this country around and pull back from the fiscal and economic cliff we find ourselves in.”…

Sen. Jeff Flake argued that negotiations over the debt limit have been effective, resulting in spending reductions that Republicans want. Flake would not point to any one thing he’d like to see as part of a debt limit increase except to say “spending cuts.”

Does the GOP have any real leverage in the next debt-ceiling battle, though? There’s already a de facto “centrist caucus” of Republicans in the Senate who’ll vote with Reid to give him 60 votes in the event of any intractable brinksmanship. You know the names — McCain, Collins, Kirk, Murkowski, sometimes Graham, sometimes Isakson, etc. There are always six that Reid can get, which means the success of a debt-ceiling standoff next time depends entirely on Boehner’s resoluteness. Does … this sound like a man who’s ready to go to the mat for conservatives, knowing that hitting the debt limit and triggering a technical default would be more severe than shutting down the government was? Even if, miraculously, Senate Republicans held together and Reid couldn’t get to 60 votes, a debt-ceiling standoff would be the perfect time for him to nuke what’s left of the filibuster. “I’m doing it to save America from default,” he’d say, and the media would applaud. His party might even get a bounce from it in the polls. Not sure why so many congressional Republicans, including Paul Ryan, want to mislead grassroots righties about the debt ceiling now when we all know what the outcome will be.

Anyway, here’s Maverick engaged in his favorite pastime, i.e. congratulating himself for having more integrity than you. If he wanted to accuse his colleagues of lacking intellectual integrity, I don’t know why he seized on this business about not offering an alternative plan. The real reason they lack integrity is that most of them secretly agree that another shutdown should be avoided at all costs. Most voted no today purely because Reid didn’t need them to invoke cloture, leaving them free to impress conservatives by formally rejecting the deal. Whatever.


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His father/grandpa hate him, from their graves.

Schadenfreude on December 17, 2013 at 4:44 PM

PASS A FLIPPING BUDGET. Roll back the baseline of stimulus spending.

Serve the people you authoritarian freak.

Murphy9 on December 17, 2013 at 4:44 PM

Arizona, you can do better.

eyesky on December 17, 2013 at 4:45 PM

why doesn’t this guy just keep quite.

phatfawzi on December 17, 2013 at 4:45 PM

I swear, the Meteorite cannot get here soon enough.

Tyrs Fury on December 17, 2013 at 4:46 PM

Did we dodge one helluva a bullet or what in 2008.

You know the old senile guy would have signed McCain Care and then the republicans would have had to vote yes too for PARTY UNITY.

It’s only PARTY UNITY when the RINOS get their way.

jukin3 on December 17, 2013 at 4:49 PM

Not only “Build the danged fence” McCain, but lots of Republicans are showing their true colors lately. It’s a shame.

Fallon on December 17, 2013 at 4:51 PM

Senate Republicans Tuesday said they are ready to go to battle over raising the debt limit early next year, echoing comments made by Rep. Paul Ryan over the weekend that the GOP would rally for certain concessions from Democrats at that point

Now that’s funny, I don’t care who ya’ are.

Bitter Clinger on December 17, 2013 at 4:51 PM

There he goes again. Attacking his own party.

Fluffin nutter.

SparkPlug on December 17, 2013 at 4:52 PM

I get the impression that while centrist Republicans vote with the Democrats, centrist Democrats don’t vote with the Republicans. Am I wrong?

PersonFromPorlock on December 17, 2013 at 4:53 PM

It is time for McCain to retire. This schtick gets very, very tedious.

Throat Wobbler Mangrove on December 17, 2013 at 4:54 PM

Well if there’s anyone who knows about a lack of integrity it’s John “Keating 5″ McCain.

rbj on December 17, 2013 at 4:54 PM

Senator Nightingale congratulates himself for being a Vichy Republican…what a surprise for a legend in his own mind kind of putz.

He’s the latest GOP poster child for lack of intellectual integrity with his continued support towards preemptive surrender as a valid negotiation tactic.

Athos on December 17, 2013 at 4:54 PM

F*** you, John McCain. Die.

M240H on December 17, 2013 at 4:55 PM

Arizona, you can do better.

eyesky on December 17, 2013 at 4:45 PM

I’m reminded of this everyday. I’m terribly sorry.

Hill60 on December 17, 2013 at 4:55 PM

Meanwhile Ace really nails it with this true gem…

“If we’re going to fold on these issues when we’re trying to reclaim a majority, we will also fold when we have a majority. The argument will shift from “We can’t do this and ruin our chances to capture the Senate” to “We can’t do this and risk losing the Senate.”

“If you don’t run on an position — if you are so unable to make your position sound appealing enough that you’ll merely lose narrowly on it, if you’re so afraid of that position you consider it politically toxic — it is not plausible that you will ever actually vote that position.”

….That about sums up my feelings for any of the gutless politicians that are currently whining about the “next battle”.

njmax on December 17, 2013 at 4:56 PM

What the F does that jerkoff McAmnesty know about integrity. I guess this fraud and a lot of other GOP pansies hate vets because they’re sure as hell screwing retirees with that ridiculous COLA change. But then again what have veterans ever done for this country? F the whole lot of these cowards.

bbinfl on December 17, 2013 at 4:57 PM

Here is a link to Ace’s post

njmax on December 17, 2013 at 4:57 PM

One more time…

http://minx.cc/?post=345792

njmax on December 17, 2013 at 4:57 PM

It’s kind of like being a prisoner of war, John. It’s totally appropriate to ask them to stop shoving bamboo under your fingernails. You don’t have to suggest a different kind of wood. Spending plan: STOP!

Ronnie on December 17, 2013 at 4:58 PM

His smug, condescending demeanor in concert with his complete lack of intelligence makes him the most annoying person in the world. He stands side by side with Harry Reid.

They should get married.

hisfrogness on December 17, 2013 at 4:58 PM

over there!
over there!
there’s a hill to retreat to
over there!

DanMan on December 17, 2013 at 4:59 PM

McCain: “We should bomb anyone who doesn’t vote for this bill”

BobMbx on December 17, 2013 at 4:59 PM

I don’t ever again want to hear from the GOP scum about how they care so much for vets and defense. This vet says FU GOP. The whole lot can FOAD.

bbinfl on December 17, 2013 at 4:59 PM

Shut the hell up Mccain, you has been jackass.

TX-96 on December 17, 2013 at 5:00 PM

What a McCain hole.

aquaviva on December 17, 2013 at 5:01 PM

McCain:

“wheeze… I swear by golly my friends… wheeze… we will vote… wheeze… for this … wheeze.. bill. Fight wheeze with me… wheeze.. fight with me.. wheeze..

/Yeah, I went there.

Key West Reader on December 17, 2013 at 5:01 PM

Die. Soon. Make haste. Thanks.

Jeddite on December 17, 2013 at 5:01 PM

bbinfl on December 17, 2013 at 4:57 PM

Those military retiree cuts will be restored and paid for by taxing the snot out of some productivity elsewhere. That way gopers can say they fought for military and progs can say they leveled the field by taxing somebody. It was built in last year when they all hatched this plan.

DanMan on December 17, 2013 at 5:01 PM

Arizona, you can do better.

eyesky on December 17, 2013 at 4:45 PM

I’m reminded of this everyday. I’m terribly sorry.

Hill60 on December 17, 2013 at 4:55 PM

Don’t be sorry. A majority of AZ voters believed he was better than his opponents. And at his age, he may decide to skip the next election cycle, so AZ voters will have a chance to do better. Make the most of that, please.

hawkeye54 on December 17, 2013 at 5:02 PM

I propose a clean CR.

besser tot als rot on December 17, 2013 at 5:02 PM

McCain has moved from wet starts on the deck of a carrier to wet farts on the floor of the senate.

Just sit down and shut the eff up, McCain. There was absolutely no need for your flatulence on the floor.

HumpBot Salvation on December 17, 2013 at 5:02 PM

F*** you, John McCain. Die.

M240H on December 17, 2013 at 4:55 PM

Wheeze

Heh.

Key West Reader on December 17, 2013 at 5:02 PM

Die. Soon. Make haste. Thanks.

Jeddite on December 17, 2013 at 5:01 PM

If that be your wish and prayer, make it Dingy Harry instead…….or as well. A twofer.

hawkeye54 on December 17, 2013 at 5:03 PM

Wackobirds!

LilyBart on December 17, 2013 at 5:03 PM

Just sit down and shut the eff up, McCain.

Alas, he has absolutely no incentive to do that. Quite the opposite, actually.

hawkeye54 on December 17, 2013 at 5:03 PM

Here’s a proposal. Base the budget off of the actual Federal outlays from 2007. Instant budget surplus based on today’s government revenue levels.

Leave it to Dem’s/McCain’s “Intellectual Integrity” to argue that the sky would fall, people would die, rapists would run free, and cats and dogs would be living together at that spending level.

weaselyone on December 17, 2013 at 5:04 PM

Give me my vote back, you douchebag, my regret in voting for you cannot be measured by any known formula.

Bishop on December 17, 2013 at 5:04 PM

Republicans continue to rip on their base…I’m freaking tired of these RINOS…they take conservatives for granted..makes me so mad

sadsushi on December 17, 2013 at 5:05 PM

If that be your wish and prayer, make it Dingy Harry instead…….or as well. A twofer.

hawkeye54 on December 17, 2013 at 5:03 PM

You DO know that they take sauna’s together. Also, they tan and get their nails done at the congressional salon. Oh, and pedicures.

/Eeeek

Key West Reader on December 17, 2013 at 5:05 PM

“If we’re going to fold on these issues when we’re trying to reclaim a majority, we will also fold when we have a majority. The argument will shift from “We can’t do this and ruin our chances to capture the Senate” to “We can’t do this and risk losing the Senate.”

Yep. The argument will change from “we’ve got to vote like this to get elected”, to “we’ve got to vote like this to get re-elected”.

Somehow, liberty is always the loser with these guys.

LilyBart on December 17, 2013 at 5:05 PM

F*** you, John McCain. Die.

M240H on December 17, 2013 at 4:55 PM

Took the words.
Oh, and FU anyone Az who voted this buttwipe back to DC.

RovesChins on December 17, 2013 at 5:06 PM

Tea Parties need to start eating human hearts at rallies, ol’ Mac would suddenly think we’re all super dandy and he’d bring his cuddle-buddy Linseed along.

Bishop on December 17, 2013 at 5:07 PM

when did we even hear about this budget deal in the first place? Last Monday? maybe the Friday before that?

Senate hadn’t produced a budget until this last year and it was a joke that wasn’t even debated. Obama hasn’t ever had a single vote recorded for any of his three budgets. The GOP house had delivered 2 budgets that Reid won’t consider.

What drove this budget this time? We had a budget set with sequester level spending already. Why did Boehner and Ryan do this now?

DanMan on December 17, 2013 at 5:07 PM

If that be your wish and prayer, make it Dingy Harry instead…….or as well. A twofer.

hawkeye54 on December 17, 2013 at 5:03 PM

A chief difference is that Harry Reid makes no illusions about representing me and mine. His stabs at my liberty are from the front.

That said, I would greatly appreciate Harry Reid expediting his own journey into oblivion.

Jeddite on December 17, 2013 at 5:08 PM

Give me my vote back, you douchebag, my regret in voting for you cannot be measured by any known formula.

Bishop on December 17, 2013 at 5:04 PM

“My Friends”

ToddPA on December 17, 2013 at 5:08 PM

I’d almost agree to ending presidential term limits if in exchange every failed presidential candidate had to disappear from politics.

Almost.

It’s tempting though.

BKeyser on December 17, 2013 at 5:08 PM

I just want to know when this putz retires so I can put on my ear protection . The applause will be deafening.

rik on December 17, 2013 at 5:08 PM

There are always six that Reid can get,

And if that’s the case, then elections DON’T have consequences at all. Reid effectively still has a supermajority. So why are we voting for Republicans again? Anyone?

Doomberg on December 17, 2013 at 5:09 PM

Hanoi is calling you home,McClame!

redware on December 17, 2013 at 5:10 PM

A chief difference is that Harry Reid makes no illusions about representing me and mine.

Well, as of late, neither has Juan. Really.

hawkeye54 on December 17, 2013 at 5:11 PM

All that was needed was a clean CR. We had a deal in place John, but morons like you gave it away for a bunch of magic beans.

Valkyriepundit on December 17, 2013 at 5:11 PM

You DO know that they take sauna’s together. Also, they tan and get their nails done at the congressional salon. Oh, and pedicures.

/Eeeek

Oh c’mon….I didn’t ask and you didn’t need to tell. Now I need some mind bleach to get that out.

hawkeye54 on December 17, 2013 at 5:12 PM

And btw: McCain and then Flake? What the hell is wrong with Arizona?

Valkyriepundit on December 17, 2013 at 5:13 PM

Tea Parties need to start eating human hearts at rallies, ol’ Mac would suddenly think we’re all super dandy and he’d bring his cuddle-buddy Linseed along.

Bishop on December 17, 2013 at 5:07 PM

You joke, but we need to start turning our supporters out into the streets, and in big numbers. I increasingly think we need some sort of leadership organization which can fill the streets of DC with protestors at a moment’s notice. I think one of the major differences between us and the Democrats is that Democrats can do this at the drop of a pin and create the illusion of a groundswell of political fervor on any major issue.

The GOP has unfortunately always turned its nose up at some tactics, imagining itself to above such dirty and unpleasant politicking. We have won the battle of ideas but we are totally failing at the basics of politics, especially in regards to voter/activist mobilization.

Doomberg on December 17, 2013 at 5:13 PM

I’d almost agree to ending presidential term limits if in exchange every failed presidential candidate had to disappear from politics.

Almost.

It’s tempting though.

You do realize, that at some point, a president in office with no limits may take way too long to disappear from politics.

Not tempting at all.

hawkeye54 on December 17, 2013 at 5:13 PM

- Term limits for the House and Senate.

-Repeal the 17th Amendment.

RDH on December 17, 2013 at 5:15 PM

Whatever, indeed.

I’m sick to death of the bullshit ‘you dont have an alternative, so shut up’. That’s one of the stupidest rejoinders in recent history.

We’ve proposed countless alternatives, f*ck you very much. I guess we’re supposed to run to Kinkos, copy off a bazillion copies of them, then make sure we staple a copy to every post/letter/comment where we object to their openly shitty plan?

“I want to increase taxes by 50%.”
“That’s stupid and harmful to the economy. You should reduce taxes, reduce regulations so businesses will start hiring again, reduce spending money on stupid crap, stop printing money, stop trying to destroy a perfectly good healthcare system, etc.”
“Oh yeah, well what’s *your* plan?”
“I just said…”
“I want to fund Obamacare for two years.”
“You what? Are you kidding?”
“Oh yeah, well what’s *your* plan?”
“Seriously – were you listening, I just…”
“I want to increase spending and the deficit.”
“Are you sure you’re not a Democrat?”
“Oh yeah, well what’s *your* plan?”
“Look, I don’t know what you’re on about, but…”
“I want to pass amnesty for illegal aliens.”
“Ok, you *are* a Democrat, aren’t you?”
“Oh yeah, well what’s *your* plan?”
“Say that again. Please, say that one. more. time…”
“I want you to vote for me in November.”
“You’re kidding, right?”
“Oh yeah, well what’s *your* plan?”
“Well, funny you ask…”

Midas on December 17, 2013 at 5:15 PM

Yeah, I can’t help but notice that McCain hates military retirees. Ironic given the number of times he’s played that POW card over the years as if he actually cared about military personnel and not just bombing the crap out of whatever country he’s mad at in the given moment.

All I can say to you Arizonans- SHAME ON YOU. SHAME ON YOU! We deserve better in the Congress than this worthless senile bastard. He wasn’t even a good Navy pilot.

Happy Nomad on December 17, 2013 at 5:17 PM

The man has a point.

You criticize the deal, but offer no alternative.

Is that intellectually consistent? Justifiable?

Of course, you all were 100% behind Cruz, and he had no plan either, so maybe you are consistent – consistently free of substance. Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

The FACT remains you cannot replace something with nothing. The choices were to make a deal which returns Congress to a budget cycle after years of CRs (which make it almost impossible to cut or control anything), something the Democrats would agree to, or to try the shutdown route again.

No one has suggested any viable alternative yet, or explained why a shutdown would work any better than it did two months ago.

Adjoran on December 17, 2013 at 5:20 PM

Tea Parties need to start eating human hearts at rallies, ol’ Mac would suddenly think we’re all super dandy and he’d bring his cuddle-buddy Linseed along.

Bishop on December 17, 2013 at 5:07 PM

As an appetizer?

Midas on December 17, 2013 at 5:20 PM

The Senate passed its first budget in 4 years back in March. The House had several budgets passed. Why wasn’t there a conference committee? I’m sure it had nothing to do with the idea that negotiations between the budgets would have been done out in the open for all to see, right?

Senate passes its first budget in 4 years and 9 months later we get a deal between the House and the Senate that wasn’t based off of a budget that passed either chamber. They had 9 months to go to conference and instead they broker a deal and pass entirely new budgets in a matter of days. More transparency from our government.

All McCain and the GOP had to do was demand that the budgets from each chamber go to Conference committee. They should have been screaming it for 9 months. Instead we get this steaming pile.

weaselyone on December 17, 2013 at 5:21 PM

And at his age, he may decide to skip the next election cycle, so AZ voters will have a chance to do better. Make the most of that, please.

hawkeye54 on December 17, 2013 at 5:02 PM

No such luck. He said on local radio here in Phoenix the other day that he was running again in ’16. And he’ll win again. He’s got a mean coalition of Sun City Octogenarians, Hispanics, and various other low info types who will vote for him matter what.

Kataklysmic on December 17, 2013 at 5:21 PM

Adjoran on December 17, 2013 at 5:20 PM

Somehow I knew you’d show up and squawk that mindless talking point, too.

No one has suggested any viable alternative yet

For ever-loving-f*cks-sake.

Midas on December 17, 2013 at 5:22 PM

Sheesh. And we thought Megan was the dumbass McCain.

BigAlSouth on December 17, 2013 at 5:23 PM

Republicans – always promising to be conservative tomorrow.

Never being conservative today.

ajacksonian on December 17, 2013 at 5:24 PM

The House had several budgets passed.

weaselyone on December 17, 2013 at 5:21 PM

Thank you. And many other ‘alternatives’ have been discussed, offered, etc in addition.

Midas on December 17, 2013 at 5:27 PM

He said on local radio here in Phoenix the other day that he was running again in ’16. And he’ll win again. He’s got a mean coalition of Sun City Octogenarians, Hispanics, and various other low info types who will vote for him matter what.

Pretty sad, that at his age, he still sees himself as an important cog in DC politics that he cannot bring himself to retire to a quiet peaceful life in his remaining years, enjoying the company of his lovely wife and kicking back a few beers while dictating his soon to be best seller memoirs.

hawkeye54 on December 17, 2013 at 5:27 PM

Well, as of late, neither has Juan. Really.

hawkeye54 on December 17, 2013 at 5:11 PM

Precisely. And since Juan McCain will only leave the Senate in a bodybag (as Teddy Kennedy or Robert Byrd), I can only wish for his accelerated demise (while I still retain the liberty to do so).

Jeddite on December 17, 2013 at 5:28 PM

Precisely. And since Juan McCain will only leave the Senate in a bodybag (as Teddy Kennedy or Robert Byrd), I can only wish for his accelerated demise (while I still retain the liberty to do so).

And since he evidently plans to run yet again in ’16, and will likely win, I kinda second your emotion.

hawkeye54 on December 17, 2013 at 5:31 PM

Although I do think McCain would have been a far better president that the frat boy in office now, he’s outworn his welcome with his tired old phony arrogant rhetoric and I wish he’d just retire already.

scalleywag on December 17, 2013 at 5:31 PM

And since Juan McCain will only leave the Senate in a bodybag

And to note, too many others in DC feel the same way……too much gravy, power and attention to miss out on. Simply more evidence that term limits should be required, if only to get fresh faces in DC on a more regular basis, instead of so many tired old retreads.

hawkeye54 on December 17, 2013 at 5:34 PM

Mac will end up like Byrd, wheeled-in on a gurney and connected to an IV to keep his blood from instantly hardening. In fact he will probably die during a long senate session and no one will actually notice until 2 weeks later.

Bishop on December 17, 2013 at 5:35 PM

Although I do think McCain would have been a far better president that the frat boy in office now, he’s outworn his welcome with his tired old phony arrogant rhetoric and I wish he’d just retire already.

scalleywag on December 17, 2013 at 5:31 PM

McCain would have troops in Libya and Syria, and if that didnt ignite WWIII, then McCain’s threats to invade Moscow (over Edward Snowden) certainly would have. And GOP eunuchs like Boner would be waving pom-poms 24/7.

Jeddite on December 17, 2013 at 5:35 PM

McCain would have troops in Libya and Syria, and if that didnt ignite WWIII, then McCain’s threats to invade Moscow (over Edward Snowden) certainly would have.

“Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran”

hawkeye54 on December 17, 2013 at 5:36 PM

Meanwhile Ace really nails it with this true gem…

“If we’re going to fold on these issues when we’re trying to reclaim a majority, we will also fold when we have a majority. The argument will shift from “We can’t do this and ruin our chances to capture the Senate” to “We can’t do this and risk losing the Senate.”

“If you don’t run on an position — if you are so unable to make your position sound appealing enough that you’ll merely lose narrowly on it, if you’re so afraid of that position you consider it politically toxic — it is not plausible that you will ever actually vote that position.”

….That about sums up my feelings for any of the gutless politicians that are currently whining about the “next battle”.

njmax on December 17, 2013 at 4:56 PM

Good quote!

INC on December 17, 2013 at 5:36 PM

You criticize the deal, but offer no alternative.

Is that intellectually consistent? Justifiable?

Clean CR, no tax increases, no sequester elimination, no extra powers delegated to Harry Reid. Easy peasy.

Of course, you all were 100% behind Cruz, and he had no plan either, so maybe you are consistent – consistently free of substance. Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

The FACT remains you cannot replace something with nothing. The choices were to make a deal which returns Congress to a budget cycle after years of CRs (which make it almost impossible to cut or control anything), something the Democrats would agree to, or to try the shutdown route again.

No one has suggested any viable alternative yet, or explained why a shutdown would work any better than it did two months ago.

Adjoran on December 17, 2013 at 5:20 PM

There were obvious viable alternative routes. You just don’t like them, and so are lying about none have been offered. Good job aping Obama tactics/talking points, though!

Doomberg on December 17, 2013 at 5:37 PM

Adjoran on December 17, 2013 at 5:20 PM

It’s hard to present anything when your not invited to present. The Ocare strategy is now good enough for the GOPe shills. Irony meter broken.

nobar on December 17, 2013 at 5:37 PM

Sessions: Ryan-Murray Budget Deal Uses Double Counting Just Like Obamacare

Yes, let’s hear it for intellectual integrity, Senator McCain!

INC on December 17, 2013 at 5:38 PM

And to note, too many others in DC feel the same way……too much gravy, power and attention to miss out on. Simply more evidence that term limits should be required, if only to get fresh faces in DC on a more regular basis, instead of so many tired old retreads.

hawkeye54 on December 17, 2013 at 5:34 PM

Indeed. But I dont fault Democrats/progressives for being Democrats/progressives. I want them gone – to me, that goes without saying. But Republican progressives who claim to represent me while canoodling with Democrats and quashing my freedom are especially loathsome.

That whole “enemy at the gate/enemy within” thing. And I perceive Juan McCain as Enemy Within Numero Uno.

Jeddite on December 17, 2013 at 5:39 PM

The man has a point.
You criticize the deal, but offer no alternative.
Is that intellectually consistent? Justifiable?
Adjoran on December 17, 2013 at 5:20 PM

As much as I’m usually the first to pile on McCain I think this IS a point. Why don’t we have people on the bench with plenty of conservative alternatives to this budget ready to toss in McCain’s face? We should have this in our back pocket ready to wave when anyone challenges us on it. The answer used to be “the Ryan plan” (whatever the Ryan plan was that week) but that’s sort of out the window now. What IS the conservative alternative?

tommyboy on December 17, 2013 at 5:42 PM

The only alternative is to cut, cut, cut. That IS the alternative. This drives me insane, same as Obamacare, no the GOP doesn’t need an alternative socialist plan. The alternative plan is the free market!

nazo311 on December 17, 2013 at 5:44 PM

What IS the conservative alternative?

tommyboy on December 17, 2013 at 5:42 PM

We could pass a CR that doesn’t require tax increases, sequester elimination, and giving extra authority to Harry Reid? I’m not sure why this question keeps getting asked.

Doomberg on December 17, 2013 at 5:45 PM

If anyone would know about lacking intellectual integrity, it’s John McCain.

xblade on December 17, 2013 at 5:48 PM

The man has a point.
You criticize the deal, but offer no alternative.
Is that intellectually consistent? Justifiable?
Adjoran on December 17, 2013 at 5:20 PM

Heiney #1: “Hey, I don’t like this plan to get rid of the Jews”

Adjoran: “If you don’t have an alternative, shutup”

Heiney #1: “I meant that I don’t think we should get rid of the Jews at all”

Heiney #2: “You need to shut up, or they’ll get rid of you, too”

BobMbx on December 17, 2013 at 5:51 PM

Dirt nap time for Maverick
That’s my wise suggestion

TexasJew on December 17, 2013 at 5:54 PM

So where was YOUR plan, Mac, or have you been sipping too much calcium replacement drinks and it’s fogged your mind.

Bishop on December 17, 2013 at 5:58 PM

“If we’re going to fold on these issues when we’re trying to reclaim a majority, we will also fold when we have a majority. The argument will shift from “We can’t do this and ruin our chances to capture the Senate” to “We can’t do this and risk losing the Senate.”

Yes, but BUT..at least we’d be winning, and that’s all that matters.

/sarc

Adjoran

Bend over specialists unite! Whatever you do don’t fight!. Now please pass the lube.

xblade on December 17, 2013 at 5:58 PM

“Intellectual” and “integrity” are two words that should never appear in a sentence with the words “John McCain.”

Rational Thought on December 17, 2013 at 6:00 PM

McVain, as usual, couldn’t be more wrong. The American people want to see an ideological food fight and a distinction between the parties. Every time the Repubs can pick a fight with the ruling elites, they should.

McVain lost his election. That’s all you need to remember when analyzing political advice from him, and so did Romney. These people have proven themselves thoroughly discredited with the voters and, if anything, the rational path is to do the opposite of whatever McVain says.

MTF on December 17, 2013 at 6:03 PM

McCain sounds just like the Democrats. Wish this old windbag would just go away. You would have thought that he would have stood up for veterans but he really only cares about enriching himself at the expense of others.

lhuffman34 on December 17, 2013 at 6:05 PM

Besides Obama, McCain is the biggest jackass in Washington DC.

savage24 on December 17, 2013 at 6:07 PM

We could pass a CR that doesn’t require tax increases, sequester elimination, and giving extra authority to Harry Reid? I’m not sure why this question keeps getting asked.
Doomberg on December 17, 2013 at 5:45 PM

I agree with that all. Why hasn’t someone written it up and offered it so we can point to the “whatshisname” plan as the conservative alternative. Something a bit more detailed than “no new taxes” and “no backing off sequester” that we could present to the people as a banner to rally under.

tommyboy on December 17, 2013 at 6:09 PM

I’m pretty sure I have cast my last vote for a Republican.

Seriously, there is no difference between the GOP in Congress and the Democrats.

I’m done.

DRayRaven on December 17, 2013 at 6:11 PM

And this is what we hear from the “deliberative body” of Congress? Why are you afraid of honest debate, McCain?

onlineanalyst on December 17, 2013 at 6:15 PM

Was McCain flying over when Hanoi Jane was playing around with that anti-aircraft gun? The answer to that question could lead me to rethink my disgust for her.

Daemonocracy on December 17, 2013 at 6:16 PM

Left right left, left right left, idiots on parade!
time for the old crooks to go, all of em in office over two terms primaried out and replaced with people who have worked!

ConcealedKerry on December 17, 2013 at 6:17 PM

I’m pretty sure I have cast my last vote for a Republican.

Seriously, there is no difference between the GOP in Congress and the Democrats.

I’m done.

DRayRaven on December 17, 2013 at 6:11 PM

Me, too.

Rational Thought on December 17, 2013 at 6:18 PM

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